17 Jun
2015
17 Jun
'15
10:49 p.m.
Hi Guys
I'm just about done sending first batch front panels
Needless to say I have had some feed back on reqirements.
As well as the variations of 8/e panels, 8/f 8/i 8/L and 8/m have
been mentioned.
;
Of these the 8/f seemed like a good place to start. I have the white
border and DEC logo in place.
When it came to the address an interesting issue arose.
DEC used their own font, It can be identified like this
The letter a is formed by a circle with a vertical bar on the right hand
side.
This font is used for titles and the like in handbooks of this period.
I'm going to have go at building this font as a nornal windows font and
adding it those available on windows.
If anybody has aready done this I'd like to hear from them.
I'm on holiday from 25-JUN-2015 to 2-JUL-2015.
We go to the big Ham Radio meeting in Friedrichshafen every year.
I should be able to do email but not much else
Finally I am in need of the following cards for my 8/e
-- M8330 - KK8E Timing board (system clock)
-- M8340 \_ optional KE8E EAE board 1
-- M8341 / optional KE8E EAE board 2
xx M8310 \_ KK8E CPU control (/I already have this/)
-- M8300 / KK8E CPU registers
-- M837 - KM8E or MC8E extended Memory & Time Share control
Can I get a basic system up without the 8340/41 and the M837?
If yes then I just need the M8330 AND M8300
_Can you help bring my 8/e back to life?_
Rod Smallwood
17 Jun
17 Jun
11:59 p.m.
Sorry Rod, I'll try to shoot you pricing/availability later this week.
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 12:49 AM, Rod Smallwood <
rodsmallwood52 at btinternet.com> wrote:
Hi Guys
I'm just about done sending first batch front panels
Needless to say I have had some feed back on reqirements.
As well as the variations of 8/e panels, 8/f 8/i 8/L and 8/m have been
mentioned.
;
Of these the 8/f seemed like a good place to start. I have the white
border and DEC logo in place.
When it came to the address an interesting issue arose.
DEC used their own font, It can be identified like this
The letter a is formed by a circle with a vertical bar on the right hand
side.
This font is used for titles and the like in handbooks of this period.
I'm going to have go at building this font as a nornal windows font and
adding it those available on windows.
If anybody has aready done this I'd like to hear from them.
I'm on holiday from 25-JUN-2015 to 2-JUL-2015.
We go to the big Ham Radio meeting in Friedrichshafen every year.
I should be able to do email but not much else
Finally I am in need of the following cards for my 8/e
-- M8330 - KK8E Timing board (system clock)
-- M8340 \_ optional KE8E EAE board 1
-- M8341 / optional KE8E EAE board 2
xx M8310 \_ KK8E CPU control (/I already have this/)
-- M8300 / KK8E CPU registers
-- M837 - KM8E or MC8E extended Memory & Time Share control
Can I get a basic system up without the 8340/41 and the M837?
If yes then I just need the M8330 AND M8300
_Can you help bring my 8/e back to life?_
Rod Smallwood
18 Jun
18 Jun
4:39 a.m.
On 18 June 2015 at 01:49, Rod Smallwood <rodsmallwood52 at btinternet.com
<javascript:;>> wrote:
DEC used their own font, It can be identified like
this
The letter a is formed by a circle with a vertical bar on the right hand
side.
This font is used for titles and the like in handbooks of this period.
I'm going to have go at building this font as a nornal windows font and
adding it those available on windows.
If anybody has aready done this I'd like to hear from them.
The Chalet font family is very similar to "the DEC font". <
http://www.houseind.com/fonts/collections/chalet> There are a few
differences, and I don't remember which specific one is the closest to the
DEC font. I think the "London 1970" weight/style is the one.
I haven't looked at the price, but I think it's pretty expensive.
Regards,
Christian
PS. One might find said fonts in a certain torrent...
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4:42 a.m.
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove
<captainkirk359 at gmail.com> wrote:
The Chalet font family is very similar to "the
DEC font". <
PS. One might find said fonts in a certain torrent...
There is a Postscript doc out there with the DEC "D I G I T A L" logo
in blocks. That may be a start.
http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/200712/ancient_history_the_digital_logo.html
4:50 a.m.
On Thursday, 18 June 2015, Jonathan Katz <jon at jonworld.com> wrote:
There is a Postscript doc out there with the DEC "D I G I T A L" logo
in blocks. That may be a start.
http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/200712/ancient_history_the_digital_logo.html
If I recall, isn't the logo "just" Helvetica? I think, not completely
sure.
Also "typing" on a phone sucks.
Cheers,
Christian
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4:54 a.m.
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 07:50:02AM -0400, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote:
On Thursday, 18 June 2015, Jonathan Katz <jon at
jonworld.com> wrote:
The article pointed to by URL above specifically state that it isn't.
/P
There is a Postscript doc out there with the DEC "D I G I T A L" logo
in blocks. That may be a start.
http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/200712/ancient_history_the_digital_logo.html
If I recall, isn't the logo "just" Helvetica? I think, not completely
sure.
6:54 a.m.
On Thursday, 18 June 2015, Pontus Pihlgren <pontus at update.uu.se> wrote:
The article pointed to by URL above specifically state that it isn't.
/P
Yeah, I realized that once my phone's *bleep* internet actually loaded the
page... about two minutes after I sent the mail.
That article is quite neat, I must say. I always thought that the logo was
only Helvetica, but it's interesting to see what it really is.
Cheers,
Christian
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6:58 a.m.
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove
<captainkirk359 at gmail.com> wrote:
That article is quite neat, I must say. I always
thought that the logo was
only Helvetica, but it's interesting to see what it really is.
The only reason I know about the article was due to Google, but that
was because I used to work for ArcSight and we were taken over by HP.
I wanted to make a faux ArcSight logo in the image of the old DEC logo
for a co-worker who retired early from HP. I made my faux-logo did
using Helvetica. His story was interesting. He worked for Tandem. Was
bought by Digital. Was bought by Compaq. Was bought my HP. Took early
retirement. Found job at ArcSight. Worked there for a few years and
then was assimilated by HP (again.) It was amusing for him to see
everything come full-circle.
7:20 a.m.
New subject: DEC Logo (was: Front Panels Personal Update)
On Jun 18, 2015, at 4:42 AM, Jonathan Katz <jon at jonworld.com> wrote:
There is a Postscript doc out there with the DEC
"D I G I T A L" logo
in blocks. That may be a start.
http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/200712/ancient_history_the_digital_logo.html
"The logo up to then had been the letters DEC in blocks the shape of
the plug-in cards that DEC had been producing."
Does anyone have a picture of that? My Google-fu is failing me. I love cutting vinyl
stickers of old logos and I think an original DEC logo would make a great prize in the
contests I run on RetroBattlestations.
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7:25 a.m.
New subject: DEC Logo (was: Front Panels Personal Update)
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 07:20:51AM -0700, Chris Osborn wrote:
On Jun 18, 2015, at 4:42 AM, Jonathan Katz <jon at jonworld.com> wrote:
I suppose it's this one:
http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/still-image/dec/pdp-1_online/d…
I recall seing a better version of the logo in some manual on bitsavers or similar.
Can't find it now.
/P
There is a Postscript doc out there with the DEC
"D I G I T A L" logo
in blocks. That may be a start.
http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/200712/ancient_history_the_digital_logo.html
"The logo up to then had been the letters DEC in blocks the shape of
the plug-in cards that DEC had been producing."
Does anyone have a picture of that? My Google-fu is failing me. I love cutting vinyl
stickers of old logos and I think an original DEC logo would make a great prize in the
contests I run on RetroBattlestations.
7:30 a.m.
New subject: DEC Logo (was: Front Panels Personal Update)
On Jun 18, 2015, at 7:25 AM, Pontus Pihlgren <pontus at Update.UU.SE> wrote:
I suppose it's this one:
http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/still-image/dec/pdp-1_online/d…
I found that one a couple of times but it just looked like a rectangle to me, not ?plug-in
cards?, so I didn?t think that was it. I guess I was expecting too much. :-)
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7:30 a.m.
New subject: DEC Logo (was: Front Panels Personal Update)
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
I suppose it's this one:
http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/still-image/dec/pdp-1_online/d…
I recall seing a better version of the logo in some manual on bitsavers or similar.
Can't find it now.
I have a copy laying around as PostScript.
/P
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7:33 a.m.
New subject: DEC Logo (was: Front Panels Personal Update)
On Jun 18, 2015, at 7:30 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
I?d love to get a copy!
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I suppose it's this one:
http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/still-image/dec/pdp-1_online/d…
I have a copy laying around as PostScript.
7:55 a.m.
New subject: DEC Logo
Yup thats it There were a couple of them in a glass case in the
entrance to Parker Street (DEC HQ after they moved out of the Mill)
There was a story (There was always a story at DEC) that one engineer
had put a lump of lead in two of them and used them for bookends.
My favorite story was one I know to be true. The story was that Ken
Olsen drove a Pinto (cheap amercian car) and parked with everyone else.
Sure enough there was this tatty Pinto parked in the main car park. To a
depth of two cars the parking spaces around it were empty!!
The other one was his saying that the door to his office was always
open. His office didn't have a door.!! He had it removed when he came
over from the mill..
Rod Smallwood
On 18/06/2015 15:33, Chris Osborn wrote:
On Jun 18, 2015, at 7:30 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at
gewt.net> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
I?d love to get a copy!
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I suppose it's this one:
http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/still-image/dec/pdp-1_online/d…
I have a copy laying around as PostScript. 
8:08 a.m.
New subject: DEC Logo
On Jun 18, 2015, at 10:55 AM, Rod Smallwood
<rodsmallwood52 at btinternet.com> wrote:
...
My favorite story was one I know to be true. The story was that Ken Olsen drove a Pinto
(cheap amercian car) and parked with everyone else.
Sure enough there was this tatty Pinto parked in the main car park. To a depth of two
cars the parking spaces around it were empty!!
Not only that, but he he had a clear policy forbidding reserved parking spaces (other than
handicapped spaces). His answer was that if you wanted a space near the door, all you had
to do was come to work early.
paul
8:45 a.m.
New subject: DEC Logo (was: Front Panels Personal Update)
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015, Chris Osborn wrote:
Let me find it.
I have a copy laying around as PostScript.
I?d love to get a copy!
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8:46 a.m.
New subject: DEC Logo (was: Front Panels Personal Update)
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015, Chris Osborn wrote:
http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/200712/ancient_history_the_digital_logo.html
I have a copy
laying around as PostScript.
I?d love to get a copy!
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9:03 a.m.
New subject: DEC Logo (was: Front Panels Personal Update)
On Jun 18, 2015, at 8:46 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015, Chris Osborn wrote:
That?s the modern Digital logo, not the DEC logo that looks like the plug-in cards.
I thought you had a ps of the original pre-1957 DEC logo.
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I?d love to get a copy!
http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/200712/ancient_history_the_digital_logo.html
<http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/200712/ancient_history_the_digital_logo.html>
11:15 a.m.
New subject: DEC Logo (was: Front Panels Personal Update)
From: Chris Osborn
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 9:03 AM
That?s the modern Digital logo, not the DEC logo that
looks like the plug-in
cards. I thought you had a ps of the original pre-1957 DEC logo.
Pre-1957??? That would be a good trick...
Rich
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computer Museum
2245 1st Avenue S
Seattle, WA 98134
mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org
http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/
11:20 a.m.
New subject: DEC Logo (was: Front Panels Personal Update)
On Jun 18, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Rich Alderson <RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org>
wrote:
I?m just going along with what that web site said that they had a different logo and then
in 1957 they got their current logo.
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That?s the modern Digital logo, not the DEC logo
that looks like the plug-in
cards. I thought you had a ps of the original pre-1957 DEC logo.
Pre-1957??? That would be a good trick? 
7:32 a.m.
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On Jun 18, 2015, at 4:42 AM, Jonathan Katz <jon at jonworld.com> wrote:
There is a Postscript doc out there with the DEC
"D I G I T A L" logo
in blocks. That may be a start.
http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/200712/ancient_history_the_digital_logo.
html
"The logo up to then had been the letters DEC in blocks the shape of
the plug-in cards that DEC had been producing."
Does anyone have a picture of that? My Google-fu is failing me. I love
cutting vinyl stickers of old logos and I think an original DEC logo would
make a great prize in the contests I run on RetroBattlestations.
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28 Jun
28 Jun
9:52 a.m.
New subject: DEC Logo
On Jun 18, 2015, at 7:20 AM, Chris Osborn <fozztexx at fozztexx.com> wrote:
"The logo up to then had been the letters DEC in
blocks the shape of
the plug-in cards that DEC had been producing."
Does anyone have a picture of that? My Google-fu is failing me. I love cutting vinyl
stickers of old logos and I think an original DEC logo would make a great prize in the
contests I run on RetroBattlestations.
I did my best to recreate the plug-in card DEC logo, you can download it as an SVG here:
http://www.retrobattlestations.com/DEC/DEC-1957-3.7x4.5.svg
Proportions probably aren?t perfect since all I had to work from was very low resolution
pictures of the original. I?m happy to send out vinyl cut decals to anyone that wants one
if you send me a SASE. Email me privately for my address.
http://i.imgur.com/HJki7WI.jpg (Atari 2600 cartridge for scale)
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2:44 p.m.
New subject: DEC Logo
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 2:52 AM, Chris Osborn <fozztexx at fozztexx.com> wrote:
Proportions probably aren?t perfect since all I had to
work from was very low resolution pictures of the original. I?m happy to send out vinyl
cut decals to anyone that wants one if you send me a SASE.
Did the font (proportions) change over the years? I see this fellow
managed to extract a DEC logo from an old Postscript file:
http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/200712/ancient_history_the_digital_logo.html
3:02 p.m.
New subject: DEC Logo
(newest Digital logo)
http://vintagecomputer.net/digital/Digital_Logo.jpg (from my Alpha Server
2100 4/275)
But I think the original poster said he was looking for the ...
d
e
c
...logo (stacked upright letters)? There might be a cheat...Digital
printed a "dec" logo that is very much like the original PDP 1 logo except
that the letters are 90 degrees turned couterclockwise on power supplies
through the pdp 11 (h742a). Maybe you can work with that. Scan/photo and
then use software to turn into the correct position.
Here is what I am talking about-
http://vintagecomputer.net/digital/PDP11-40_industrial11/pre-cleaning/pre-c…
Billl
3:34 p.m.
New subject: DEC Logo
It seems to me that pdp8 is written in futura bold
On 28-06-15 18:52, Chris Osborn wrote:
On Jun 18, 2015, at 7:20 AM, Chris Osborn <fozztexx
at fozztexx.com> wrote:
--
Met vriendelijke Groet,
Simon Claessen
drukknop.nl
"The logo up to then had been the letters
DEC in blocks the shape of
the plug-in cards that DEC had been producing."
Does anyone have a picture of that? My Google-fu is failing me. I love cutting vinyl
stickers of old logos and I think an original DEC logo would make a great prize in the
contests I run on RetroBattlestations.
I did my best to recreate the plug-in card DEC logo, you can download it as an SVG here:
http://www.retrobattlestations.com/DEC/DEC-1957-3.7x4.5.svg
Proportions probably aren?t perfect since all I had to work from was very low resolution
pictures of the original. I?m happy to send out vinyl cut decals to anyone that wants one
if you send me a SASE. Email me privately for my address.
http://i.imgur.com/HJki7WI.jpg (Atari 2600 cartridge for scale)
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7:12 p.m.
New subject: DEC Logo
On 2015-06-28 6:34 PM, simon wrote:
It seems to me that pdp8 is written in futura bold
ITC Avant Garde would probably be closer. (released circa 1970)
Avant Garde was used in a LOT of DEC's marketing -- it was the signature
face for VAX-11, for example (even the machine badges use Avant Garde).
--Toby
On 28-06-15 18:52, Chris Osborn wrote:
On Jun 18, 2015, at 7:20 AM, Chris Osborn
<fozztexx at fozztexx.com> wrote:
"The logo up to then had been the
letters DEC in blocks the shape of
the plug-in cards that DEC had been producing."
Does anyone have a picture of that? My Google-fu is failing me. I
love cutting vinyl stickers of old logos and I think an original DEC
logo would make a great prize in the contests I run on
RetroBattlestations.
I did my best to recreate the plug-in card DEC logo, you can download
it as an SVG here:
http://www.retrobattlestations.com/DEC/DEC-1957-3.7x4.5.svg
Proportions probably aren?t perfect since all I had to work from was
very low resolution pictures of the original. I?m happy to send out
vinyl cut decals to anyone that wants one if you send me a SASE. Email
me privately for my address.
http://i.imgur.com/HJki7WI.jpg (Atari 2600 cartridge for scale)
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7:50 p.m.
New subject: DEC Logo
On 2015-06-28 10:12 PM, Toby Thain wrote:
On 2015-06-28 6:34 PM, simon wrote:
Oops, I was looking at the vertical d e c when I said that.
The font used in the "industrial11" logo and across the PDP-8 range, has
been pinned down to the "New York" style of "Chalet"; here's a
revival:
http://www.houseind.com/fonts/chalet/viewfonts
But I can't find a "pdp8" image in the thread. Simon, what image are you
referring to that leads you to say Futura Bold?
--Toby
It seems to me that pdp8 is written in futura
bold
ITC Avant Garde would probably be closer. (released circa 1970)
Avant Garde was used in a LOT of DEC's marketing -- it was the signature
face for VAX-11, for example (even the machine badges use Avant Garde).
--Toby
On 28-06-15 18:52, Chris Osborn wrote:
On Jun 18, 2015, at 7:20 AM, Chris Osborn
<fozztexx at fozztexx.com> wrote:
"The logo up to then had been the
letters DEC in blocks the
shape of
the plug-in cards that DEC had been producing."
Does anyone have a picture of that? My Google-fu is failing me. I
love cutting vinyl stickers of old logos and I think an original DEC
logo would make a great prize in the contests I run on
RetroBattlestations.
I did my best to recreate the plug-in card DEC logo, you can download
it as an SVG here:
http://www.retrobattlestations.com/DEC/DEC-1957-3.7x4.5.svg
Proportions probably aren?t perfect since all I had to work from was
very low resolution pictures of the original. I?m happy to send out
vinyl cut decals to anyone that wants one if you send me a SASE. Email
me privately for my address.
http://i.imgur.com/HJki7WI.jpg (Atari 2600 cartridge for scale)
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29 Jun
29 Jun
12:54 a.m.
New subject: DEC Logo
the front of the internal bus options maintenance manual in front of me.
But looking at the f in 8/f gives me the impression they mixed some
fonts for the logo and taking a closer look at the line:
"digital equipment corporation . maynard. massachusetts"
is proving both of us wrong. the y in maynard is a rounded version, but
both futura and avant garde hve a straight y.
"...the search continues..."
On 29-06-15 04:50, Toby Thain wrote:
On 2015-06-28 10:12 PM, Toby Thain wrote:
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Met vriendelijke Groet,
Simon Claessen
drukknop.nl
On 2015-06-28 6:34 PM, simon wrote:
Oops, I was looking at the vertical d e c when I said that.
The font used in the "industrial11" logo and across the PDP-8 range, has
been pinned down to the "New York" style of "Chalet"; here's a
revival:
http://www.houseind.com/fonts/chalet/viewfonts
But I can't find a "pdp8" image in the thread. Simon, what image are you
referring to that leads you to say Futura Bold?
--Toby
It seems to me that pdp8 is written in futura
bold
ITC Avant Garde would probably be closer. (released circa 1970)
Avant Garde was used in a LOT of DEC's marketing -- it was the signature
face for VAX-11, for example (even the machine badges use Avant Garde).
--Toby
On 28-06-15 18:52, Chris Osborn wrote:
On Jun 18, 2015, at 7:20 AM, Chris Osborn
<fozztexx at fozztexx.com>
wrote:
> "The logo up to then had been the letters DEC in blocks the
> shape of
> the plug-in cards that DEC had been producing."
>
> Does anyone have a picture of that? My Google-fu is failing me. I
> love cutting vinyl stickers of old logos and I think an original DEC
> logo would make a great prize in the contests I run on
> RetroBattlestations.
I did my best to recreate the plug-in card DEC logo, you can download
it as an SVG here:
http://www.retrobattlestations.com/DEC/DEC-1957-3.7x4.5.svg
Proportions probably aren?t perfect since all I had to work from was
very low resolution pictures of the original. I?m happy to send out
vinyl cut decals to anyone that wants one if you send me a SASE. Email
me privately for my address.
http://i.imgur.com/HJki7WI.jpg (Atari 2600 cartridge for scale)
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5:56 a.m.
New subject: DEC Logo
On 2015-06-29 3:54 AM, simon wrote:
the front of the internal bus options maintenance
manual in front of me.
But looking at the f in 8/f gives me the impression they mixed some
fonts for the logo and taking a closer look at the line:
"digital equipment corporation . maynard. massachusetts"
is proving both of us wrong. the y in maynard is a rounded version, but
both futura and avant garde hve a straight y.
"...the search continues..."
Can you scan the page you're looking at?
--Toby
On 29-06-15 04:50, Toby Thain wrote:
> On 2015-06-28 10:12 PM, Toby Thain wrote:
>> On 2015-06-28 6:34 PM, simon wrote:
>>> It seems to me that pdp8 is written in futura bold
>>
>> ITC Avant Garde would probably be closer. (released circa 1970)
>
> Oops, I was looking at the vertical d e c when I said that.
>
> The font used in the "industrial11" logo and across the PDP-8 range, has
> been pinned down to the "New York" style of "Chalet"; here's
a revival:
>
> http://www.houseind.com/fonts/chalet/viewfonts
>
> But I can't find a "pdp8" image in the thread. Simon, what image are
you
> referring to that leads you to say Futura Bold?
>
> --Toby
>
>>
>> Avant Garde was used in a LOT of DEC's marketing -- it was the signature
>> face for VAX-11, for example (even the machine badges use Avant Garde).
>>
>> --Toby
>>
30 Jun
30 Jun
1:44 a.m.
New subject: DEC Logo
On 29-06-15 14:56, Toby Thain wrote:
On 2015-06-29 3:54 AM, simon wrote:
tada.wav: https://hack42.nl/mediawiki/images/a/a7/Dec_footer.png
it is also used on the front of the pdp8/f here at our museum.
simon
--
Met vriendelijke Groet,
Simon Claessen
drukknop.nl
the front of the internal bus options maintenance
manual in front of me.
But looking at the f in 8/f gives me the impression they mixed some
fonts for the logo and taking a closer look at the line:
"digital equipment corporation . maynard. massachusetts"
is proving both of us wrong. the y in maynard is a rounded version, but
both futura and avant garde hve a straight y.
"...the search continues..."
Can you scan the page you're looking at?
6:10 a.m.
New subject: DEC Logo
On 2015-06-30 4:44 AM, simon wrote:
On 29-06-15 14:56, Toby Thain wrote:
Right. This isn't Futura or Avant Garde. It's the font Paul K. and I
have been discussing - similar to Chalet but possibly a custom font.
--Toby
On 2015-06-29 3:54 AM, simon wrote:
tada.wav: https://hack42.nl/mediawiki/images/a/a7/Dec_footer.png
it is also used on the front of the pdp8/f here at our museum. the front of the internal bus options maintenance
manual in front of me.
But looking at the f in 8/f gives me the impression they mixed some
fonts for the logo and taking a closer look at the line:
"digital equipment corporation . maynard. massachusetts"
is proving both of us wrong. the y in maynard is a rounded version, but
both futura and avant garde hve a straight y.
"...the search continues..."
Can you scan the page you're looking at?
simon
8:43 a.m.
New subject: DEC Logo
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Toby Thain
Sent: 30 June 2015 14:10
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: DEC Logo
On 2015-06-30 4:44 AM, simon wrote:
If it?s the oldest logo why do Straight Eights have a serifed font...
http://dustyoldcomputers.com/pdp8/images-3C8F62C8/R3378-hp.jpg
On 29-06-15 14:56, Toby Thain wrote:
On 2015-06-29 3:54 AM, simon wrote:
tada.wav: https://hack42.nl/mediawiki/images/a/a7/Dec_footer.png
it is also used on the front of the pdp8/f here at our museum. the front of the internal bus options maintenance
manual in front of me.
But looking at the f in 8/f gives me the impression they mixed some
fonts for the logo and taking a closer look at the line:
"digital equipment corporation . maynard. massachusetts"
is proving both of us wrong. the y in maynard is a rounded version,
but both futura and avant garde hve a straight y.
"...the search continues..."
Can you scan the page you're looking at?
Right. This isn't Futura or Avant Garde. It's
the font Paul K. and I have been
discussing - similar to Chalet but possibly a custom font.
--Toby
>
> simon
11:58 p.m.
New subject: DEC Logo
On 30-06-15 15:10, Toby Thain wrote:
On 2015-06-30 4:44 AM, simon wrote:
yes, that is what i stated in my mail from 20150629.
--
Met vriendelijke Groet,
Simon Claessen
drukknop.nl
On 29-06-15 14:56, Toby Thain wrote:
Right. This isn't Futura or Avant Garde. It's the font Paul K. and I
have been discussing - similar to Chalet but possibly a custom font.
--Toby
On 2015-06-29 3:54 AM, simon wrote:
tada.wav: https://hack42.nl/mediawiki/images/a/a7/Dec_footer.png
it is also used on the front of the pdp8/f here at our museum. the front of the internal bus options maintenance
manual in front of
me.
But looking at the f in 8/f gives me the impression they mixed some
fonts for the logo and taking a closer look at the line:
"digital equipment corporation . maynard. massachusetts"
is proving both of us wrong. the y in maynard is a rounded version, but
both futura and avant garde hve a straight y.
"...the search continues..."
Can you scan the page you're looking at?
simon
29 Jun
29 Jun
1:21 a.m.
New subject: DEC Logo
:-) ze web to ze rescue: grabbing a png from the pdf of the
maintanance manual and uploading it to myfonts.com points me to the font
"rescue regular". but it is not perfect as the verticals have rounded
ends on "rescue" and straight on the dec font.
another is "insignia" but having the wrong letter t
On 29-06-15 04:50, Toby Thain wrote:
On 2015-06-28 10:12 PM, Toby Thain wrote:
--
Met vriendelijke Groet,
Simon Claessen
drukknop.nl
On 2015-06-28 6:34 PM, simon wrote:
Oops, I was looking at the vertical d e c when I said that.
The font used in the "industrial11" logo and across the PDP-8 range, has
been pinned down to the "New York" style of "Chalet"; here's a
revival:
http://www.houseind.com/fonts/chalet/viewfonts
But I can't find a "pdp8" image in the thread. Simon, what image are you
referring to that leads you to say Futura Bold?
--Toby
It seems to me that pdp8 is written in futura
bold
ITC Avant Garde would probably be closer. (released circa 1970)
Avant Garde was used in a LOT of DEC's marketing -- it was the signature
face for VAX-11, for example (even the machine badges use Avant Garde).
--Toby
On 28-06-15 18:52, Chris Osborn wrote:
On Jun 18, 2015, at 7:20 AM, Chris Osborn
<fozztexx at fozztexx.com>
wrote:
> "The logo up to then had been the letters DEC in blocks the
> shape of
> the plug-in cards that DEC had been producing."
>
> Does anyone have a picture of that? My Google-fu is failing me. I
> love cutting vinyl stickers of old logos and I think an original DEC
> logo would make a great prize in the contests I run on
> RetroBattlestations.
I did my best to recreate the plug-in card DEC logo, you can download
it as an SVG here:
http://www.retrobattlestations.com/DEC/DEC-1957-3.7x4.5.svg
Proportions probably aren?t perfect since all I had to work from was
very low resolution pictures of the original. I?m happy to send out
vinyl cut decals to anyone that wants one if you send me a SASE. Email
me privately for my address.
http://i.imgur.com/HJki7WI.jpg (Atari 2600 cartridge for scale)
--
Follow me on twitter: @FozzTexx
Check out my blog: http://insentricity.com
7:59 a.m.
New subject: DEC Logo
On Jun 28, 2015, at 6:34 PM, simon <simski at
dds.nl> wrote:
It seems to me that pdp8 is written in futura bold
Where? In the picture that Bill posted, you can see what I think is a dec custom font in
labels like ?industrial 11? and ?power supply". That?s the same font that was used
on the covers of pdp-11 handbooks, and as far as I know it?s something DEC made up. I
traced it and turned it into a TrueType font some years ago. Here it is. Some of the
letters are guesses because I have no samples.
As for Futura, I don?t know if DEC used that. They did use another sans serif display
font in places like business cards: Avant Garde. It?s easy to recognize by the fact that
all its round shapes are circles rather than ovals, and the letter ?e? has its horizontal
bar at the center of that circle. But the ?handbook? font is definitely not Avant Garde.
I?ll attach the ?handbook.ttf? file ? we?ll see if this list will deliver that.
paul
8:26 a.m.
New subject: DEC Logo
On 2015-06-29 10:59 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
dec custom font in labels like ?industrial 11? and ?power supply".
That?s the same font that was used on the covers of pdp-11 handbooks,
and as far as I know it?s something DEC made up. I traced it and turned
it into a TrueType font some years ago. Here it is. Some of the letters
are guesses because I have no samples.
There's reason to believe it's "Chalet". See my previous mail for a link
to one revival of that family.
On Jun 28, 2015, at 6:34 PM, simon <simski at
dds.nl> wrote:
It seems to me that pdp8 is written in futura bold
Where? In the picture that Bill posted, you can see what I think is
a
As for Futura, I don?t know if DEC used that. They did use another sans serif display
font in places like business cards: Avant Garde. It?s easy to recognize by the fact that
all its round shapes are circles rather than ovals, and the letter ?e? has its horizontal
bar at the center of that circle. But the ?handbook? font is definitely not Avant Garde.
As I mentioned earlier, Avant Garde was the VAX-11 brand font, so was
used for everything from machine badges and logos to marketing and
training materials.
--Toby
I?ll attach the ?handbook.ttf? file ? we?ll see if this list will deliver that.
paul
10:26 a.m.
New subject: DEC Logo
On Jun 29, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Toby Thain <toby at
telegraphics.com.au> wrote:
On 2015-06-29 10:59 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
dec custom font in labels like ?industrial 11? and ?power supply".
That?s the same font that was used on the covers of pdp-11 handbooks,
and as far as I know it?s something DEC made up. I traced it and turned
it into a TrueType font some years ago. Here it is. Some of the letters
are guesses because I have no samples.
There's reason to believe it's "Chalet". See my previous mail for a
link to one revival of that family.
I looked at that. There are plenty of variations, but none of them match at all. Take a
look at the 11/45 processor handbook, or the peripherals handbook (for example the 1976
edition). The inside cover page is particularly helpful because it shows the company name
for an additional bunch of characters.
If you mix & match letters from all the different variants of Chalet (like the a from
Paris 1980 but the k from Paris 1970) you can get closer. But that?s not plausible, and
in any case it?s still not the same. The k in Paris 1970 is somewhat like the one in the
DEC font, but it is clearly not a match: the DEC k has arcs starting at the vertical line,
while in Paris 1970 there?s a bit of a horizontal line first. And none of the variants
have the r in ?processor? or either of the two version of the t in ?digital equipment
corporation?.
paul
On Jun 28, 2015, at 6:34 PM, simon <simski at
dds.nl> wrote:
It seems to me that pdp8 is written in futura bold
Where? In the picture that Bill posted, you can see what I think is
a
12:19 p.m.
New subject: DEC Logo
On 2015-06-29 1:26 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
(like the
a from Paris 1980 but the k from Paris 1970) you can get
closer. But that?s not plausible,
I worked in graphic design for a long time. Modifications and
substitutions of any kind are not unusual in a logo. So yes, it's
plausible, but just annoying when reverse engineering it later, of course.
and in any case it?s still not the
same. The k in Paris 1970 is somewhat like the one in the DEC font, but
it is clearly not a match: the DEC k has arcs starting at the vertical
line, while in Paris 1970 there?s a bit of a horizontal line first. And
none of the variants have the r in ?processor? or either of the two
version of the t in ?digital equipment corporation?.
This *could* be due to differences betwen the House revival and the
original Chalet font. The next research step could be to find specimens
of the latter.
Or perhaps it was indeed a "custom font" as you said earlier, "based
on"
Chalet or something like it, with variant letters cherry picked. That
explanation might satisfy everyone. :) I think it's pretty unlikely that
a font will be discovered that is a better match than Chalet out of the
box, though.
--Toby
On Jun 29, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Toby Thain <toby
at telegraphics.com.au> wrote:
On 2015-06-29 10:59 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
dec custom font in labels like ?industrial 11? and ?power supply".
That?s the same font that was used on the covers of pdp-11 handbooks,
and as far as I know it?s something DEC made up. I traced it and turned
it into a TrueType font some years ago. Here it is. Some of the letters
are guesses because I have no samples.
There's reason to believe it's "Chalet". See my previous mail for a
link to one revival of that family.
I looked at that. There are plenty of variations, but none of them match at all. Take a
look at the 11/45 processor handbook, or the peripherals handbook (for example the 1976
edition). The inside cover page is particularly helpful because it shows the company name
for an additional bunch of characters.
If you mix & match letters from all the different variants of Chalet On Jun 28, 2015, at 6:34 PM, simon <simski at
dds.nl> wrote:
It seems to me that pdp8 is written in futura bold
Where? In the picture that Bill posted, you can see what I think is
a
paul
12:36 p.m.
New subject: DEC Logo
On Jun 29, 2015, at 3:19 PM, Toby Thain <toby at
telegraphics.com.au> wrote:
On 2015-06-29 1:26 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
(like the
a from Paris 1980 but the k from Paris 1970) you can get
closer. But that?s not plausible,
I worked in graphic design for a long time. Modifications and substitutions of any kind
are not unusual in a logo. So yes, it's plausible, but just annoying when reverse
engineering it later, of course.
For a logo, absolutely. For a house style typeface used as display text in manuals and
for panel labels, not quite so likely.
On Jun 29, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Toby Thain <toby
at telegraphics.com.au> wrote:
...
There's reason to believe it's "Chalet". See my previous mail for a
link to one revival of that family.
I looked at that. There are plenty of variations, but none of them match at all. Take a
look at the 11/45 processor handbook, or the peripherals handbook (for example the 1976
edition). The inside cover page is particularly helpful because it shows the company name
for an additional bunch of characters.
If you mix & match letters from all the different variants of Chalet ...
This *could* be due to differences betwen the House revival and the original Chalet font.
The next research step could be to find specimens of the latter.
Or perhaps it was indeed a "custom font" as you said earlier, "based
on" Chalet or something like it, with variant letters cherry picked. That explanation
might satisfy everyone. :) I think it's pretty unlikely that a font will be discovered
that is a better match than Chalet out of the box, though.
Perhaps. I think the similarities are faint enough that I would not point to Chalet any
more than I would point to Avant Garde. Designed from scratch by a guy with a set of
drafting tools seems more likely to me. But unless someone with first hand knowledge
comes along, as was done for the 7-block digital logo, all this will likely remain
speculation.
Meanwhile, if you want a font file that?s a better match than Chalet, try the ?handbook?
font I created some years ago from the DEC document samples I have on hand.
paul
11:15 a.m.
New subject: DEC Logo
On Jun 29, 2015, at 10:59 AM, Paul Koning
<paulkoning at comcast.net> wrote:
...
I?ll attach the ?handbook.ttf? file ? we?ll see if this list will deliver that.
It didn?t, but John Wilson kindly agreed to host it. You can find it at
www.dbit.com/pub/misc/handbook.ttf (or ftp::/ftp.dbit equiv).
paul
18 Jun
18 Jun
5:19 a.m.
On 18/06/2015 12:50, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote:
On Thursday, 18 June 2015, Jonathan Katz <jon at
jonworld.com> wrote:
No, it isn't. About 15 years ago I set out to recreate the necessary
letters and digits from the font for one of the PDP-11 sites. With some
small experience of font design I quickly realised it's quite different
There is a Postscript doc out there with the DEC "D I G I T A L" logo
in blocks. That may be a start.
http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/200712/ancient_history_the_digital_logo.html
If I recall, isn't the logo "just" Helvetica? I think, not completely
sure. from Helevetica in a number of aspects, and it took me
a while to get it
right. In fact I'm not sure I got it exactly, but Ned
Batchelder did,
so I never went back to it. My early attempts at PDP-11 logos are at
http://www.dunnington.info/public/PDP-11/ if you want a laugh.
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