1 Nov
2018
1 Nov
'18
5:36 p.m.
Wondering if this is an IBM Xstation 140 with token ring
Wonder what processor it uses..
https://www.ebay.com/itm/273538296972
1 Nov
1 Nov
5:51 p.m.
If I recall correctly the Xstation 120 (the first of them) used an 8086 (might have been
an 80186). The big issue was that you couldn?t do anything with it because what was in
ROM/FLASH was only smart enough to be able to TFTP the rest of the microcode (not terribly
useful if you don?t have the image it wants to TFTP).
I think the 140 fixed that (and is somewhat telling from all of the Intel flash parts on
the board). But I don?t know what CPU it?s using. The IBM metal can is probably the
graphics controller.
TTFN - Guy
On Nov 1, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Wondering if this is an IBM Xstation 140 with token ring
Wonder what processor it uses..
https://www.ebay.com/itm/273538296972
6:01 p.m.
RISC @ 33MHZ
On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 10:51 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
If I recall correctly the Xstation 120 (the first of
them) used an 8086
(might have been an 80186). The big issue was that you couldn?t do
anything with it because what was in ROM/FLASH was only smart enough to be
able to TFTP the rest of the microcode (not terribly useful if you don?t
have the image it wants to TFTP).
I think the 140 fixed that (and is somewhat telling from all of the Intel
flash parts on the board). But I don?t know what CPU it?s using. The IBM
metal can is probably the graphics controller.
TTFN - Guy
On Nov 1, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Wondering if this is an IBM Xstation 140 with token ring
Wonder what processor it uses..
https://www.ebay.com/itm/273538296972
6:04 p.m.
The 120 also used a 34010 to handle the graphics, I think? It has been
a long time...
--
Will
On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 5:51 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
If I recall correctly the Xstation 120 (the first of them) used an 8086 (might have been
an 80186). The big issue was that you couldn?t do anything with it because what was in
ROM/FLASH was only smart enough to be able to TFTP the rest of the microcode (not terribly
useful if you don?t have the image it wants to TFTP).
I think the 140 fixed that (and is somewhat telling from all of the Intel flash parts on
the board). But I don?t know what CPU it?s using. The IBM metal can is probably the
graphics controller.
TTFN - Guy
On Nov 1, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Wondering if this is an IBM Xstation 140 with token ring
Wonder what processor it uses..
https://www.ebay.com/itm/273538296972
6:13 p.m.
7010 Xstation
120 CPU Planar 8 MHz 80186 190-027-1
130 CPU Planar 12.5 MHz 80C186 190-027
140 CPU Planar 33 MHz LSI R33020 193-273
150 CPU Planar Motorola 88110 193-018
160 CPU Planar 66 MHz PowerPC 603 195-027
On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 2:51 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
If I recall correctly the Xstation 120 (the first of them) used an 8086 (might have been
an 80186). The big issue was that you couldn?t do anything with it because what was in
ROM/FLASH was only smart enough to be able to TFTP the rest of the microcode (not terribly
useful if you don?t have the image it wants to TFTP).
I think the 140 fixed that (and is somewhat telling from all of the Intel flash parts on
the board). But I don?t know what CPU it?s using. The IBM metal can is probably the
graphics controller.
TTFN - Guy
On Nov 1, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Wondering if this is an IBM Xstation 140 with token ring
Wonder what processor it uses..
https://www.ebay.com/itm/273538296972
6:29 p.m.
On 11/1/18 3:13 PM, Kevin Bowling via cctalk wrote:
140 CPU Planar 33 MHz LSI R33020 193-273
http://ps-2.kev009.com/ohlandl/RS6000/193-273.txt
2 Nov
2 Nov
7:56 a.m.
On 2018-11-01 18:29, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
On 11/1/18 3:13 PM, Kevin Bowling via cctalk wrote:
So is this thing on ebay the 140? Probably would bite, still have the
Eval Board for the R33020 and manuals somewhere ...
140 CPU Planar 33 MHz LSI R33020 193-273
http://ps-2.kev009.com/ohlandl/RS6000/193-273.txt
10:49 a.m.
On 11/2/18 4:56 AM, emanuel stiebler wrote:
So is this thing on ebay the 140? Probably would bite,
still have the
Eval Board for the R33020 and manuals somewhere ...
yes.
I just bought an NCD19 from them, now I'm trying to find NCDware old enough
to support it (it has a 68020). They bought a bunch of stuff from Univ of AZ
and have been selling it off for a few months. Unfortunately, they split things
up but they will deal. I bought a VME10 keyboard from them about 6 months ago
then the rest finally showed up a week or two ago, so now I have a complete one
with color monitor.
They are the people I bought the Intel Paragon software from..
4:02 p.m.
On Nov 2, 2018, at 7:49 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I bought a VME10 keyboard from them about 6 months ago
then the rest finally showed up a week or two ago, so now I have a complete one
with color monitor.
Glad to see you got that, I was kind of bothered by the listing of the VME/10 not having a
keyboard.
Unfortunately the University pulled RAM from some systems for some reason, so the
HP-Apollo 9000/425t that I got from them has no memory and it?s difficult to actually come
by some.
I sure wish someone had a an HP-Apollo 9000/400 series hardware reference with RAM board
pinouts, whether scanned or in print?
-- Chris
4:22 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
I sure wish someone had a an HP-Apollo 9000/400 series hardware reference with RAM board
pinouts, whether scanned or in print?
-- Chris
Memory
User-installable RAM boards provide the 425 with RAM in increments of 8, 16
and 32 Mbyte blocks. They have an Error Checking and Correcting (ECC)
ability. Standard RAM is 8 Mbytes, expandable to 64 Mbytes for the 425t and
16 Mbytes expandable to 128 Mbytes for the 425s.
RAM boards are used in pairs. There are eight sockets on the system board for
four board pairs. RAM Upgrades are available as follows:
two 4 Mbyte boards that add an 8 Mbyte block of memory.
two 8 Mbyte boards that add a 16 Mbyte block of memory.
two 16 Mbyte RAM boards that add a 32 Mbyte block of memory (for 425s
only)
For example, to obtain the maximum 64 Mbyte of RAM for the 425t would
require four 16 Mbyte RAM Board pairs ( i.e. eight 8 Mbyte boards) inserted
in the eight sockets.
If this is standard ECC memory, then I have plenty of it on hand. But HP was known to use
some really funky looking memory.
Cindy
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4:42 p.m.
On Nov 2, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Electronics Plus <sales at elecplus.com> wrote:
Memory
User-installable RAM boards provide the 425 with RAM in increments of 8, 16
From
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/hp/9000_400/A2100-90600_HP_9000_425_…
<http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/hp/9000_400/A2100-90600_HP_9000_425_Owners_Guide_Aug91.pdf>
Yes, I?ve read that, thanks. What I need is the actual *pinout* for the memory boards
which is the sort of thing that?d be in a hardware reference manual rather than a user?s
manual. (Along with pinouts for the DIO-II expansion slot.)
If this is standard ECC memory, then I have plenty of
it on hand. But HP was known to use some really funky looking memory.
They use standard *memory* on non-standard *boards*.
The ICs are standard, for example in <https://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=863
<https://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=863>> a 4MB board uses nine 80ns
514256 ICs and a trio of 74AS1004 hex inverter-drivers. However, the boards are not SIMMs,
they use a 72-pin header.
My theory is that given they used the same ICs as everyone else, it should be easy to
design and fabricate a SIMM adapter from the board pinout.
This RAM also appears to have been used in the HP-9000/375 and /380, in case someone has a
hardware reference manual for those.
-- Chris
4:01 p.m.
tor 2018-11-01 klockan 14:36 -0700 skrev Al Kossow via cctalk:
Wondering if this is an IBM Xstation 140 with token
ring
Wonder what processor it uses..
https://www.ebay.com/itm/273538296972
The seller has a seagate 4038 (ST-412) disk for sale.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-SEAGATE-TECHNOLOGY-ST-4038-HARD-DISK-DRIVE…
I wonder... shape (have a DEC PRO and something which uses an ACB 4000
ie SCSI-MFM...)
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