27 Jul
2000
27 Jul
'00
7:25 a.m.
I'll definitely be looking at alternatives in the future. The other shoe in
this is that it appears the shipper didn't bother to insure the package,
despite my instructions to the contrary. Of course, those instructions were
over the phone, not via e-mail, so I'm getting the "you didn't tell me you
wanted me to insure it". Gee, now why wouldn't I want it insured? :-(
-- Tony
----------
From: Bruce Lane[SMTP:kyrrin@bluefeathertech.com]
Reply To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 10:02 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: An alternative to UPS
At 08:25 27-07-2000 -0500, Joe Rigdon wrote:
find
If
it's used (like an old computer) it's "personal
effects" and as such any damage or loss claims will be denied.
That's the most rediculous thing that I've ever heard! I hope they your computer lab. If not, then don't give up.
Demand to talk to their
<snip>
Absolutely don't give up! UPS is easily the most snooty company I've
ever
dealt with on insurance claims. A colleague of mine back east had to
hassle
them for months before they finally paid up on a claim.
Also, you may want to look at an alternative. I don't know if they
do
ground to Canada yet, but I've had outstanding service from FedEx Ground
(formerly RPS). Nothing I've shipped so far has been lost, or damaged in
the slightest degree, and their customer service is excellent.
Perhaps the capper is that I've found they're actually less
expensive than
UPS. I've had a shipper account with them for months now. If I drop all my
outgoing at their depot, they don't even charge me a monthly fee.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies
http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com
Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our
own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
27 Jul
27 Jul
8:05 a.m.
On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Eros, Anthony wrote:
I'll definitely be looking at alternatives in the
future. The other shoe in
this is that it appears the shipper didn't bother to insure the package,
despite my instructions to the contrary. Of course, those instructions were
over the phone, not via e-mail, so I'm getting the "you didn't tell me you
wanted me to insure it". Gee, now why wouldn't I want it insured? :-(
It has already been mentioned but Fedex now has a Ground service which is
great for competition. For the most part, shipping anything bigger than a
book was always cheapest by UPS. Now that Fedex has a comparable ground
service (I believe they call it Green) there is an alternative. Even
better, the rates are apparently cheaper with Fedex.
As far as books and magazines go, it is always cheaper to ship using the
US Postal Service book rate. You must request it at the counter. In some
cases you can save up to half the shipping costs.
Of course, most of this applies to the U.S.
Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Looking for a six in a pile of nines...
VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1
San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California
See http://www.vintage.org for details!
10:36 a.m.
On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Eros, Anthony wrote:
It is also worthy of note that disks and tapes also qualify for the book
rate.
- don
I'll definitely be looking at alternatives in
the future. The other shoe in
this is that it appears the shipper didn't bother to insure the package,
despite my instructions to the contrary. Of course, those instructions were
over the phone, not via e-mail, so I'm getting the "you didn't tell me you
wanted me to insure it". Gee, now why wouldn't I want it insured? :-(
It has already been mentioned but Fedex now has a Ground service which is
great for competition. For the most part, shipping anything bigger than a
book was always cheapest by UPS. Now that Fedex has a comparable ground
service (I believe they call it Green) there is an alternative. Even
better, the rates are apparently cheaper with Fedex.
As far as books and magazines go, it is always cheaper to ship using the
US Postal Service book rate. You must request it at the counter. In some
cases you can save up to half the shipping costs. Of course, most of this applies to the U.S.
Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Looking for a six in a pile of nines...
VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1
San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California
See http://www.vintage.org for details!
12:41 p.m.
On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Sellam Ismail wrote:
Are you positive? Did you read this someplace?
I'm almost ready to ship a bunch of floppy disks, but I dont see how
they qualify under book rate, and I don't know that I will be able
to convince MY local post office...
-Lawrence LeMay
On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Eros, Anthony wrote:
It is also worthy of note that disks and tapes also qualify for the book
rate.
- don I'll definitely be looking at alternatives in
the future. The other shoe in
this is that it appears the shipper didn't bother to insure the package,
despite my instructions to the contrary. Of course, those instructions were
over the phone, not via e-mail, so I'm getting the "you didn't tell me you
wanted me to insure it". Gee, now why wouldn't I want it insured? :-(
It has already been mentioned but Fedex now has a Ground service which is
great for competition. For the most part, shipping anything bigger than a
book was always cheapest by UPS. Now that Fedex has a comparable ground
service (I believe they call it Green) there is an alternative. Even
better, the rates are apparently cheaper with Fedex.
As far as books and magazines go, it is always cheaper to ship using the
US Postal Service book rate. You must request it at the counter. In some
cases you can save up to half the shipping costs.
11:57 a.m.
On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Lawrence LeMay wrote:
I'm almost ready to ship a bunch of floppy disks,
but I dont see how
they qualify under book rate, and I don't know that I will be able
to convince MY local post office...
Two things:
1) it doesn't hurt to ask
b) as someone mentioned before, it's the same rate as 3rd class, so just
ask for it to be shipped 3rd class
Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Looking for a six in a pile of nines...
VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1
San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California
See http://www.vintage.org for details!
1:15 p.m.
On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Lawrence LeMay wrote:
Are you positive? Did you read this someplace?
I'm almost ready to ship a bunch of floppy disks, but I dont see how
they qualify under book rate, and I don't know that I will be able
to convince MY local post office...
From the simplified rate chart at the USPS site:
-------------
Special Standard Mail (Book Rate) Description
Generally used for books (at least eight pages), film (16 mm or
narrower), printed music, printed test materials, sound recordings, play
scripts, printed educational charts, loose-leaf pages and binders consisting
of medical information, and computer-readable media. Advertising
restrictions apply.
Packages must measure 108 inches or less in combined length and girth.
Mark each package "Special Standard Mail" in the postage area.
-------------
The full document including other rate categories can be viewed at:
http://new.usps.com/cgi-bin/uspsbv/scripts/content_txtonly.jsp?D=15617&…
(URL may be chopped across two lines - reassemble to use.)
In a related development:
"b) as someone mentioned before, it's the same rate as 3rd class, so just
ask for it to be shipped 3rd class"
I don't think 3rd class exists anymore.
There seems to be categories like:
Express
First Class/Priority
Standard Mail (a & b) - the "b" version the 4th class we know
Bound Printed Matter
Special Standard Mail & Library Mail
--- Stephen Dauphin
7 Aug
7 Aug
7:46 a.m.
> I'm almost ready to ship a bunch of floppy
disks, but I dont see how
> they qualify under book rate, and I don't know that I will be able
> to convince MY local post office...
of medical information, and computer-readable media.
Advertising
restrictions apply.
Packages must measure 108 inches or less in
combined length and girth.
Mark each package "Special Standard Mail" in the postage area.
There seems to be categories like:
USPS:
Printed matter is defined as “paper on which words, letters,
characters, figures, or images (or any combination thereof)
not having the character of a bill or statement of account,
or of actual or personal correspondence, have been reproduced
by any process other than handwriting or typewriting.”
Which is basicly a definition more or less directly taken
from the international agreements on postal services.
Basicly Film/Photography or other Data Storage Media (BTW:
Punch Tape and Cards are named explicit) are _NOT_ part of
this definition (of the USPS), but if they are only a minor
amount, and part of the major Material (read disks inside a
manual), the PO may or may not accept it.
Express
First Class/Priority
Standard Mail (a & b) - the "b" version the 4th class we know
Bound Printed Matter
Special Standard Mail & Library Mail
At least for oversees shipment there's another 'book'
class, the so called M-Bag. To be send as M-Bag (you
don't have to use a real bag, althou it's still
possible) you just pack all your 'Printed Matter'
(Official Term) in one single container and attach
a special M-Bag tag (PS Tag 158, available at the
post office). And you get _incredible_ low rates:
M-Bag, Surface to Europe is just USD 1.45 per pound,
while regualr printed matter/small packets is about
~4.50. Well, Surface may take up to 6 weeks (average
2-3) until Europe, but we are not talking about high
priority stuff - the actuality of our kind of books
isn't measured in days or weeks or even month' :)
I assume that they offer similar rates within the US.
Gruss
H.
--
VCF Europa 2.0 am 28./29. April 2001 in Muenchen
http://www.vintage.org/vcfe
http://www.homecomputer.de/vcfe
27 Jul
27 Jul
6:50 p.m.
On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Lawrence LeMay wrote:
That is what my local PO told me and what they allow. Why not? After
all, disks and tapes carry what can reasonably be described as textual
or informational material - at least in part.
- don
On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Sellam Ismail wrote:
Are you positive? Did you read this someplace? On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Eros, Anthony wrote:
It is also worthy of note that disks and tapes also qualify for the book
rate.
- don I'll definitely be looking at alternatives in
the future. The other shoe in
this is that it appears the shipper didn't bother to insure the package,
despite my instructions to the contrary. Of course, those instructions were
over the phone, not via e-mail, so I'm getting the "you didn't tell me you
wanted me to insure it". Gee, now why wouldn't I want it insured? :-(
It has already been mentioned but Fedex now has a Ground service which is
great for competition. For the most part, shipping anything bigger than a
book was always cheapest by UPS. Now that Fedex has a comparable ground
service (I believe they call it Green) there is an alternative. Even
better, the rates are apparently cheaper with Fedex.
As far as books and magazines go, it is always cheaper to ship using the
US Postal Service book rate. You must request it at the counter. In some
cases you can save up to half the shipping costs. I'm almost ready to ship a bunch of floppy disks,
but I dont see how
they qualify under book rate, and I don't know that I will be able
to convince MY local post office...
-Lawrence LeMay
28 Jul
28 Jul
1:14 a.m.
New subject: futute classic
Well, maybe of toppic by now, but MS has a promotional
give away for Windows ME - at
http://www.winmesweeps.com/
50 copies of WindowsME autographed by Bill a day.
An original packed never opened and signed box is
for shure a nice addition to a future Museum :)
Only one drawback: the sweepstakes are only open
to US and Canadiuan citizens - and Canadians have
to do an additional Math test ... ROTFL.
Gruss
H.
--
VCF Europa 2.0 am 28./29. April 2001 in Muenchen
http://www.vintage.org/vcfe
http://www.homecomputer.de/vcfe
7:25 a.m.
New subject: futute classic
At 12:14 PM 7/28/00 +0200, you wrote:
Well, maybe of toppic by now, but MS has a promotional
give away for Windows ME - at
http://www.winmesweeps.com/
What the hell is Windows ME? Windows MistakE? FWIW Windows CE is now
offically dead. I guess Billy Boy is going to try and pull another fast one
on us and try to convince us that now we need to spend more money and buy
his new and improved OS.
Joe
7:12 a.m.
New subject: futute classic
At 12:14 PM 7/28/00 +0200, you wrote:
>Well, maybe of toppic by now, but MS has a promotional
>give away for Windows ME - at
>http://www.winmesweeps.com/
What the hell is Windows ME? Windows MistakE? FWIW
Windows CE is now
offically dead. I guess Billy Boy is going to try and pull another fast one
on us and try to convince us that now we need to spend more money and buy
his new and improved OS.
Well boys, if you're all not interested, why not paricipate and
use the winning copy as a gift for sombody else ? Maybe a non
US friend ? If you need a recivers address, I may volunteer :=)
Gruss
H.
--
VCF Europa 2.0 am 28./29. April 2001 in Muenchen
http://www.vintage.org/vcfe
http://www.homecomputer.de/vcfe
7:42 a.m.
New subject: futute classic
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Hans Franke wrote:
Well boys, if you're all not interested, why not
paricipate and
use the winning copy as a gift for sombody else ? Maybe a non
US friend ? If you need a recivers address, I may volunteer :=)
Despite the fact that I don't like giving my name, address, e-mail address
and telephone number to MS, I signed up. If I win I'll let you have first
dibs on buying the package before I put it up for auction in 10 years :)
Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Looking for a six in a pile of nines...
VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1
San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California
See http://www.vintage.org for details!
8:47 a.m.
New subject: futute classic
> Well boys, if you're all not interested, why
not paricipate and
> use the winning copy as a gift for sombody else ? Maybe a non
> US friend ? If you need a recivers address, I may volunteer :=)
Despite the fact that I don't like giving my name,
address, e-mail address
and telephone number to MS, I signed up. If I win I'll let you have first
dibs on buying the package before I put it up for auction in 10 years :)
You mean at the time when the people are talking about Windows 9x
as the good old times ? When they complane how simple and easy
to understand ME was, and on what tiny and small systems this
low resource OS did run ?
:))
H.
--
VCF Europa 2.0 am 28./29. April 2001 in Muenchen
http://www.vintage.org/vcfe
http://www.homecomputer.de/vcfe
8:36 a.m.
New subject: futute classic
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Hans Franke wrote:
Yeah, we'll be reminiscing about the times our system used to crash on a
regular basis, and how we miss the misery. By that time I imagine MS will
have made their "OS" crash much less than it does today, making the whole
computing experience nearly clean and sterile, taking all the fun away.
Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Looking for a six in a pile of nines...
VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1
San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California
See http://www.vintage.org for details!
Despite the
fact that I don't like giving my name, address, e-mail address
and telephone number to MS, I signed up. If I win I'll let you have first
dibs on buying the package before I put it up for auction in 10 years :)
You mean at the time when the people are talking about Windows 9x
as the good old times ? When they complane how simple and easy
to understand ME was, and on what tiny and small systems this
low resource OS did run ? 
10:08 a.m.
New subject: futute classic
Sellam wrote:
Yeah, we'll be reminiscing about the times our
system used to crash on a
regular basis, and how we miss the misery. By that time I imagine MS will
have made their "OS" crash much less than it does today, making the whole
computing experience nearly clean and sterile, taking all the fun away.
You think they'll have it crashing much less than it does today?!?! Hold
on... Back when I was running a MS OS it never crashed on me. Of course
that OS was MS-DOS. I just have to look at a Windows 9x or NT machine and
it has to be reloaded! If ever there was a target for a class-action
lawsuit I would think it would be Windows! But then I'm not a Lawyer
(thankfully, don't think I'd be able to live with myself).
Zane
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12:02 p.m.
New subject: futute classic
At 09:42 AM 7/28/2000 -0700, you wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Hans Franke wrote:
Did it work for you? when I tried to submit my entry the thing crashed. I
was using Internet Explorer too.
Cheers
Charlie Fox
Charles E. Fox
Chas E. Fox Video Productions
793 Argyle Rd. Windsor N8Y 3J8 Ont. Canada
email foxvideo(a)wincom.net
Check out "The Old Walkerville Virtual Museum" at
http://www.skyboom.com/foxvideo and
Camcorder Kindergarten at http://www.chasfoxvideo.com
Well boys, if you're all not interested, why
not paricipate and
use the winning copy as a gift for sombody else ? Maybe a non
US friend ? If you need a recivers address, I may volunteer :=)
Despite the fact that I don't like giving my name, address, e-mail address
and telephone number to MS, I signed up. If I win I'll let you have first
dibs on buying the package before I put it up for auction in 10 years :)
Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Looking for a six in a pile of nines...
VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1
San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California
See http://www.vintage.org for details!
3:22 p.m.
New subject: futute classic
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Charles E. Fox wrote:
Did it work for you? when I tried to submit my entry the thing crashed. I
was using Internet Explorer too.
It seemed to work fine for me. I don't find it surprising that an MS
website crashed on their own browser :) I don't even find it ironic.
Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Looking for a six in a pile of nines...
VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1
San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California
See http://www.vintage.org for details!
Well boys, if you're all not interested, why not
paricipate and
use the winning copy as a gift for sombody else ? Maybe a non
US friend ? If you need a recivers address, I may volunteer :=)
Despite the fact that I don't like giving my name, address, e-mail address
and telephone number to MS, I signed up. If I win I'll let you have first
dibs on buying the package before I put it up for auction in 10 years :)
7:40 p.m.
New subject: futute classic
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Charles E. Fox wrote:
Did it work for you? when I tried to submit my entry the thing crashed. I
was using Internet Explorer too.
It seemed to work fine for me. I don't find it surprising that an MS
website crashed on their own browser :) I don't even find it ironic.
Wanna try hilarious?
- don
Well boys, if you're all not interested, why not
paricipate and
use the winning copy as a gift for sombody else ? Maybe a non
US friend ? If you need a recivers address, I may volunteer :=)
Despite the fact that I don't like giving my name, address, e-mail address
and telephone number to MS, I signed up. If I win I'll let you have first
dibs on buying the package before I put it up for auction in 10 years :) Sellam International
Man of Intrigue and Danger
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Looking for a six in a pile of nines...
VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1
San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California
See http://www.vintage.org for details!
30 Jul
30 Jul
5:35 p.m.
New subject: futute classic
At 09:42 AM 7/28/2000 -0700, you wrote:
Me too, using IE 5. Maybe it's a way of eliminating Canadian
entries.
ciao larry
lgwalker(a)look.ca
walkers(a)altavista.net
bigwalk(a)xoommail.com
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Hans Franke wrote:
Did it work for you? when I tried to submit my entry the thing
crashed. I was using Internet Explorer too.
Cheers
Charlie Fox
Charles E. Fox
Chas E. Fox Video Productions
793 Argyle Rd. Windsor N8Y 3J8 Ont. Canada
email foxvideo(a)wincom.net
Check out "The Old Walkerville Virtual Museum" at
http://www.skyboom.com/foxvideo and
Camcorder Kindergarten at http://www.chasfoxvideo.com
Well boys, if you're all not interested, why
not paricipate and
use the winning copy as a gift for sombody else ? Maybe a non US
friend ? If you need a recivers address, I may volunteer :=)
Despite the fact that I don't like giving my name, address, e-mail
address and telephone number to MS, I signed up. If I win I'll let
you have first dibs on buying the package before I put it up for
auction in 10 years :)
Sellam International Man of Intrigue
and Danger
---------------------------------------------------------------------
--------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines...
VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1
San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California
See http://www.vintage.org for details!
31 Jul
31 Jul
12:44 a.m.
New subject: futute classic
> At 09:42 AM 7/28/2000 -0700, you wrote:
> >On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Hans Franke wrote:
> > > Well boys, if you're all not interested, why not paricipate and
> > > use the winning copy as a gift for sombody else ? Maybe a non US
> > > friend ? If you need a recivers address, I may volunteer :=)
> >Despite the fact that I don't like giving my name, address, e-mail
> >address and telephone number to MS, I signed up. If I win I'll let
> >you have first dibs on buying the package before I put it up for
> >auction in 10 years :)
> Did it work for you? when I tried to submit my
entry the thing
> crashed. I was using Internet Explorer too.
Me too, using IE 5. Maybe it's a way of
eliminating Canadian
entries.
Nop, that's why they added the Math test (see Rules).
:)
H.
--
VCF Europa 2.0 am 28./29. April 2001 in Muenchen
http://www.vintage.org/vcfe
http://www.homecomputer.de/vcfe
28 Aug
28 Aug
2 a.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Windows CE (was future classic)
What the hell is Windows ME? Windows MistakE? FWIW
Windows CE is now
offically dead. I guess Billy Boy is going to try and pull another fast one
on us and try to convince us that now we need to spend more money and buy
his new and improved OS.
CE is not dead (trust me, every day I test software for it at work).
Microsoft's Web site also mentions that CE 3.0 just became available.
If you are talking about that "PC Powered" hoopla, that was a slimy
marketing move (picking a new name for the same old stuff -- MS is very fond
of that maneuver). It was not a slimy engineering move, which would have
been much worse. Microsoft seems to have decided that it was a bad idea
because I don't think they're using the term these days. They probably want
people to forget it ever happened.
They _do_ have something called NT Embedded but I don't know anything about
it (my company works with it, but it's a different part of the company).
-- Derek
28 Jul
28 Jul
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7:09 p.m.
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Tony Duell wrote:
That is what my local PO told me and what they allow. Why not? After
all, disks and tapes carry what can reasonably be described as textual
or informational material - at least in part.
- don
Well, obviously the UK powers-that-be don't think like that. In general
in the UK, books/magazines/etc are not liable for VAT (sales tax) but
magnetic recordings certainly are, as are CDs and CD-ROMs. A book with an
included disk or CD-ROM will be liable for VAT on that disk or CD-ROM.
Yes, I do find this mildly crazy...
Well Tony, no one in their right mind ever thought that lawmakers and
taxes were likely to make sense!
- don
It is also
worthy of note that disks and tapes also qualify for the book
rate.
- don
Are you positive? Did you read this someplace? -tony
27 Jul
27 Jul
9:39 a.m.
I'll definitely be looking at alternatives in the
future. The other shoe in
this is that it appears the shipper didn't bother to insure the package,
Basically your screwed, no insurance means nothing but the basic $100
coverage. Time to go back to the shipper for a long hard talk. Stay on
UPS's back about tracing etc.
12:32 p.m.
At 11:25 AM 7/27/00 -0500, Tony wrote:
I'll definitely be looking at alternatives in the
future. The other shoe in
this is that it appears the shipper didn't bother to insure the package,
despite my instructions to the contrary. Of course, those instructions were
over the phone, not via e-mail, so I'm getting the "you didn't tell me you
wanted me to insure it". Gee, now why wouldn't I want it insured? :-(
Did you pay the seller to insure the package? If so, then he owes you
even if he has to pay out of his own pocket.
My 2 cents worth,
Joe
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