Hi all --
I'm working on fixing up a Tektronix 4404 workstation (runs
Smalltalk-80!).? Or rather, I'm trying to collect the needed parts to
assemble a complete system so that I might fix up said system -- at the
moment I have only the main CPU unit (but hey, it's a good starting
point).? I am looking for:
- Keyboard (Tektronix P/N 119-1872-00)
- Mouse (Logitech P7-3F-TX-19-1808-00).? This is likely a standard
3-button quadrature mouse but if I can find the exact match, so much the
better...
- Mass Storage (Tektronix model 4944, possibly others?? This is a SCSI
device containing a hard drive on a SCSI->MFM bridge and 5.25" floppy
drive on a custom SCSI->floppy interface.)
If anyone happens to have spares or knows anyone who might, please let
me know.? Thanks as always!
- Josh
So, all this talk about panels made me making an oak frame for an
IBM panel I had lingering around in the attic for a while.
Still need to make a back panel to close it tough.
http://bit.ly/2HI2cHC
The cables were already cut when I got it.
Ed
--
Ik email, dus ik besta.
Hi folks,
I recently, on a trip to Oregon, finally got a compatible ECL monitor for my Sun 2. It came with a rather nice Sun 3/260, which I?d like to run as well.
So I thought I?d put out a beg here- I?m so close to finishing this.
I need to shake loose a keyboard and mouse for a Sun 2.
Would anyone be willing to sell me one? I?m not expecting a handout; they would be paid for and well loved.
On a related note, I?d love to run the 3/260 as well: What I?d like to do for that is hunt down a Sun color framebuffer for it so I can use a more common display. (and of course, enjoy the wonders of color).
I?m not sure what the options there are, but I have a nice scan converter so just about any compatible color framebuffer will do. I can then totally repurpose the monitor I?ve just found for my 2/120.
So, in the words of another immortal list member, ?advice hints ?????
Thanks in advance,
- I
I have a small, 5-20 stack of 16 mm's of movies dealing with computers
The one in front of me is
"Once Upon a Punched Card"
I am looking for a place in the USA with a reasonable price to have them
digitized and I will place them on both my Google drive and a Youtube
So far I have only been able to find places I can not afford.
Suggestions, Ideas, etc ?
-pete
I'm about to acquire a couple of 1980s-vintage military surplus AN/UGC-137A terminals (i.e., glass TTYs with some local message preparation and storage capabilities) which have a bubble memory subsystem. They use plug-in cartridges containing 256 kbytes of storage in the form of two Intel 7110 1 Mbit bubble memory chips and their 7242 formatter/sense amplifiers.
One of the cartridges contains the one and only copy of the terminals' firmware, which I believe they need to load up at each reboot. Naturally, extracting the contents of that irreplaceable cartridge for archival, and potential future emulation, is going to be a very high priority for me. I have a few different approaches in mind for accomplishing that. One approach would be to remove the two memory devices from the critical cartridge in order to dump their contents in an independent bubble memory subsystem.
With that in mind, I'd like to get my hands on a working Intel 7110 bubble memory subsystem, or the parts to build one myself (i.e., a complete 7110/7220/7230/7242/7250/7254 chipset that I could make a board around).
Might anybody here have what I need available for sale or trade? I might be able to use some arbitrary old computer or other device that has a subsystem based around the Intel 7110, or a development kit such as the Intel BPK-72, or a chipset to make my own board.
If I can't acquire or make the hardware to dump the memory chips outside of their native system, then I think my next option would be to passively snoop the host bus interface of the Intel 7220 controller I expect to find inside the terminals as they perform their initial firmware load, so that I can reconstruct the cartridge contents from the trace data.
The terminals were made by the Librascope division of Singer, and brochures can be found here:
http://www.librascopememories.com/Librascope_Memories/Product_Literature_fi…http://www.librascopememories.com/Librascope_Memories/Product_Literature_fi…http://www.librascopememories.com/Librascope_Memories/Product_Literature_fi…
I already have the critical cartridge in hand, and I posted some pictures of it on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/nf6x/status/964578291767173120
--
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <nf6x at nf6x.net>
http://www.nf6x.net/
Recently, I?ve started working on a Canon BX-1 machine dated 1977.
It was CANON's first standalone business / home computer featuring I guess the Motorola MC6809 CPU, one line of gas plasma display a thermal printer and 125k floppy drive.
See pictures here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1rT4qwtiR68AN5DRqoCwjxGDJvRRdlHha
In working condition but without manuals or disks. Only little can be found for this machine, its not listed in http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ nor https://amaus.net/static/S100/
Also http://archive.computerhistory.org/ isn't mentioning the machine.
So I would be happy, if anyone can help in disk images or manual scans (manual front pages are shown in the picture link above)
regards Thomas
Known CANON BX-1 Disk/Documents
Disks:
MCX OPERATING SYS. STANDARD BASIC AND BOOT
MCX SYSTEM DISK
MCX EXTEND BASIC BOOT. PROGRAM, GL SYSTEM, TM_P CALC, FORCE FORM
Manuals:
CANON BX-1 INSTRUCTIONS
CANON THE INSTRUCTION TO THE BX-1
CANON EASY PROGRAMMING PART I
CANON EASY PROGRAMMING PART II
CANON OPERATION MANAUL AND EXPLANATION OF INSTRUCTIONS
https://photos.app.goo.gl/EfDc3rRMfyfTNdgw2
>From my days at Burroughs writing hardware test programs
96 col cards were the standard on the later 1700's
I had full access from midnight to 7AM but the shop was window only
until the next night.
Turn around time during the day could be as much as 4 hours.
-pete
I thought I would post a heads for
https://photos.app.goo.gl/36CxlZQJDssj5uLh1
I have the IBM 360 aluminum plate that goes on top, it is scratched. More
detailed and better pictures as I dig deeper.
For shipping a I will have professional box built by a friend who's hobby
is building
and restoring furniture.
Price to be determined and will go into my estate.
If interested please email me directly
pete at petelancashire dot com
Regards
-pete
> Before that, I have been using pine (nowadays named alpine), which had
> configuration edited via builtin options editor and before that, elm,
> never configured by me (AFAIR - about 20yago). So, with this
> perspective, I can say mutt is not bad and I intend sticking to it for
> a while.
What about mutt do you prefer over alpine?
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
XT2190s, XT1140s, some of the early ESDI disks...
I have 6 XT2190s at home, and maybe one of the damn things works.
Does anyone out here know, beyond speculation, what some of the common
failure modes of these drives are? I'm not opposed to open-HDA surgery.
And I probably won't do anything.
But the question of WHY this line of drives in particular sucks so much has
haunted me for some time...
- Ian
Honorable mention: CDC Sabre, Wren.
--
Ian Finder
(206) 395-MIPS
ian.finder at gmail.com
Hello, all -
Has anyone run across the subject system - a mid-90s Motorola '030-based
document scanner/retrieval system? KV-F520 seems to be a model of the
unit, along with LF-7300A or LF-7304 5-1/4" MO drives. I have a hold of
some media that I can read, and can see the moral equivalent of files in
Panasonic's own format - I suspect it's thinly veiled TIFF or maybe a
capture format of their own making. Has anyone else run across this before?
- David
> From: Aaron Jackson
> I am wondering if anyone would be willing to sell me an RL02K cartridge
> for a sensible price?
There are a bunch listed on eBait for not wholly unrealistic prices; I
wouldn't buy a bunch there, but it you only need one, for testing... Not sure
if any of the ones for sale there are the moment are in the UK, though. (I
recall some a few months ago, so it's not impossible, and worth a check.)
Noel
> From: geneb
> they've got a DPS-8 maintenance/operator/? panel ... It's fully
> operational and is connected via some magic hardware to a Raspberry Pi
> running a Multics emulator.
Technically it's an H6180; the DPS-8 is a later generation of hardware in the
same family. More here:
http://www.chiappa.net/~jnc/tech/multics/MulticsPanels.html
Alas, as can be seen there, the DPS-8's don't have those wonderful panels
with a zillion lights and switches; just boring modern machines! :-)
Noel
Hi all,
Would anyone here be able to help me troubleshoot my qd32 controller? I
have a pdp11/73 that's mostly working, boots 2.11bsd from rl02 okay, but I
need my big disk to work so I can load the rest of the distro.
I've been following the manual for the qd32 to enter the geometry of my
real working Fuji m2333 (jumpered correctly according to the manuals), but
when I load the special command into the qd32's SP register that's supposed
to load the geometry table I entered in pdp11 memory to the qd32's novram,
I get a bad status value from the qd32's SP register and it remains
unresponsive when I try to store the geometry. If I go ahead and try the
built-in qd32 format command, it responds similarly. When I pull in mkfs
>from tape (vtserver) and try anyway, despite the failures, to run mkfs on
the m2333, I get an !online error from the standalone unix mkfs. The disk
does respond (the select light flashes and I can hear heads actuating), but
without geometry and format, I'm obviously dead in the water.
I understand that there used to exist some Emulex qd32/pdp11 diagnostics
that could help the situation, but my previous attempts to find copies have
come up short.
Any suggestions on how to proceed?
thx
jake
Hi all,
Inspired by CuriousMarc's recent video, I cleaned and fixed my RL02
heads. Not with an ultrasonic cleaner unfortunately, but in a warm IPA
bath. It worked! Loading a crashed pack is obviously not a good idea,
although I cleaned the cartridge well, and figured with bad heads and a
bad pack, I might as well try it. The heads no longer crash and appear
clean after loading, but the cartridge, of course, cannot be read as the
first track has been destroyed from the initial crash. I think the crash
was cause by bad heads before I got the RL02 drive.
I posted some pictures of the process here:
http://aaronsplace.co.uk/blog/2018-02-19-repairing-crashed-RL02-heads.html
I am wondering if anyone would be willing to sell me an RL02K cartridge
for a sensible price?
After the cleaning I am guessing my alignment will be slightly off, but
>from what I have read in the manual, this is will probably just result
in the read/write speed being reduced as the heads have to move slightly
when switching between either side of the platter. Am I right in
thinking this or completely wrong?
Thanks,
Aaron.
--
Aaron Jackson
PhD Student, Computer Vision Laboratory, Uni of Nottingham
http://aaronsplace.co.uk
Here's some news! VCF Southeast is April 21-22, VCF East is May 18-20,
and VCF West is August 4-5.
Exhibit registration is OPEN for Southeast and East.
For details please see www.vcfed.org.
I am having a re-org of the workspace and have decided to release a number
of books acquired over the last 3/4 decades but I am in a quandary as I
can't store them, don't think the local Cat's Protection League can handle
them and I am reluctant to consign them to the skip. While I appreciate that
they may not qualify as true vintage currently they will be before too long,
like PL/1 primers were years ago when folks were skipping them. I have
between two to three dozen (some big) and won't impose here by listing them
all but they include such nuggets as 'Secrets of Windows 2000 Server', 'MTS
Programming in Visual Basic', Kernighan's 'Software Tools in Pascal',
'Understanding and Programming COM+' and 'Developing Professional
Applications in Windows 95 and NT Using MFC'. I have most if not all of the
accompanying CD's. I am afraid my 'Introduction to Programming using Fortran
77' and 'Lepton and Baryon Number Violation in Particle Physics,
Astrophysics and Cosmology' along with my Amiga development manuals are not
up for grabs (cold, dead hands, etc.)
I can't expect anyone crazy enough to take the whole lot (but free for the
collection if you like and welcome) but does anyone know anywhere who would
take them and keep them for posterity? Just can't stand the thought of good
books being destroyed.
Please post here if you can help then we can take it off-list.
James Attfield
Proud owner of:
Amiga 500 (x4), Amiga 1500 (x2), Atari 1024 (maybe), BBC Model 'B', Amiga
3000, Amiga 4000, Cromemco System One
Proud builder of:
Imsai 8080, North Star Horizon, Processor Technology Sol-20, Nascom-I,
Nascom -II
Proud past seller of all of the above plus:
Cromemco, Vector Graphic, Compucolor, Ohio Scientific, Commodore (PET,
VIC-20, 64), South West Technical Products
KIM-1, Osborne-1, Exidy Sorcerer, ITT 2020, Dragon 32, Apricot, Comart, IBM
(maybe)
> From: Al Kossow
>> On 2/18/18 12:20 PM, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote:
>> ... his 709 went to the CHM. Anything else of the big stuff?
> the 7094 and 650
A 7094? Neat! Very historic machine.
I wonder if it would be possible to fabricate the extras needed to run CTSS
on it... :-)
Noel
Hello list,
currently, I am in the process of trying to bring back to life a disk drive installation from Control Data known as "841 Multiple Disk Drive" ( MDD ). From the early '70s. It uses hydraulic disk head actuators! Pictures of the subsystem are here:
http://www.digitalheritage.de/peripherals/cdc/841/841.htm
I started with the power supply. Most of the electrolytic capacitors need to be reformed which is being done.?
As far as I know, some computer installations used 400Hz 3-phase back in the days. Does anybody know, if that is the case for this type of drive systems? I couldn't find any indication so far, except for the input filter that supports up to 400Hz (written on it).
I've quite some experience with old linear power supplies, but never worked with three-phase supplies, yet.
Has anybody experience with this? Anything particular to be considered?
There is an operator's manual, but there don't seem to be manuals or schematics about this type of CDC drive nor on bitsavers, neither elsewhere on the net. How could help me in pointing out where to get these?
A lot of questions, I know.... :)
Thanks a lot for any of your precious help,
Pierre
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Pierre's collection of classic computers moved to: http://www.digitalheritage.de
The VCF picture album just posted has a shot of a PDP-8e system that looks
like mine. Except that all 3 of my rack toppers are southwestern
red/orange with no logo as opposed to the one on the right with the DEC,
PDP-8e printing.
Does anyone have a scan/stencil/etc. of that panel available?
Thanks,
Marc
This week, I scored four Olympia boxes - an ETX I, an ETX II and two EX 100s.
Googling has not been very fruitful. I have established that the ETX
II and the EX 100 are CP/M machines, SSDD 48 tpi 5.25" and DSDD 48 tpi
5.25" respectively and have seen one assertion that the ETX II is
S-100 based - I won't be able to confirm that until I open it up. I
found nothing on the ETX I. It doesn't seem to have a floppy drive, so
may not be a CP/M box. I guess I'll have to power it on and see if it
gives me a clue as to what's in the firmware.
As best I can figure out, these were sold as add ons for electric
typewriters. You hooked them up, with they typewriter acting as
keyboard and printer and you had a word processor or computer.
I think I have one interface board, that came in a box with the EX I.
Does anybody know anything about these machines? It seems like a boot
disk from an Osborne One would work.
Most immediately, though, does anybody know which typewriters they
worked with? I have an opportunity to go back to where I got them,
today and it would be great if I didn't have to haul off every damn
typewriter with "Olympia" on it!
Thanks
-- Robert
Hi Bill,
If you have tried new media and the problem is on both drives, I have the
M7744 and M7745 boards for $75 each and will throw in the cable between
them. Shipping is $10 within the US.
Thanks, Paul
Here is list of DEC tape related parts. Please contact me off list if you
have any questions or wish to make any offers. One, all, or anywhere in
between. Located in IL
Thanks, Paul
3- M8901
3- M8901YA
6- M8901-YB
2- M8901-YC
M8901-YD
2- M8902
M8902-YA
2- M8904
M8904-YA
3- M8905
M8905-YB
4- M8906
3- M8907
6- M8908
3- M8908-YA
M8912
M8922
M8923
3- M8924
2- M8929
M8931
2- M8933
2- M8937
M8940
3- M8950
M8951
2- M8953
M8955
M8957
M8958
M8960
M8962
M8966
M8967
54-12262
54-12264
This might be a tempest or shielded vaxstation? Anyone speculate or
know for sure.
The vendor may have these mixed in as equivalent to their other
vaxstations. If you search for "DEC vax VS42A-BN"
you end up back at the vendors listing for the ones with plastic
covers. I didn't turn up any info yet, not hoping to.
but the thing has what appears to be optical, and a huge connector which
may be shielded SCSI on the back.
I can't tell from the front, but there may be a hatch to allow it to be
opened and a floppy inserted, not sure from
the photos.
VINTAGE-RARE-DEC-DIGITAL-VAXSTATION-3100-PF-VS42A-AA-RF-VS42A-BN-COMPUTER-SYSTEM/
http://www.ebay.com/itm/370930391341
Kind of an interesting device.
I looped back into the vendors listings to this auction for the plastic
topped version, by the way
VINTAGE-DEC-DIGITAL-VT1300-VAXSTATION-VS42A-BB-COMPUTER-SYSTEM-VT-1300-TERMINAL/
http://www.ebay.com/itm/370912245260
It is badged VT-1300 so may not be a vaxstation. And the other box may
be one of the VT-1300's
that is tempest or shielded.
thanks
Jim
10412-0 2 plus 1 with cables and adapter board and cables
10067-0 2
10001000 has ECO's or modifications
UNIMAP Users Guide 10143X07 possibly for use with 10164 and others
Please contact me off list if you are interested in trading or wish to
make an offer.
Shipping is $10 within the for as many as you want. Please inquire about
shipping outside the US.
Thanks, Paul
I'm trying to track down "MacScheme", an implementation of the Scheme programming language for the Macintosh (68K). It's not even all that old, but it seems to have completely vanished off the face of the earth.
It was published by Lightship Software in the early 1990s. I have found several editions of the user manual that came with a trial version of the software, but of course the original disks are missing.
If anyone has a copy of MacScheme, could you please contact me? I'd like to preserve this title. Willing to buy the physical media if you're willing to sell it.
-Seth
--
Seth Morabito
web at loomcom.com
Spotted next to driveway of 7 Central St, Arlington MA
Model C6075A.
Attached sign says "needs new print head"
https://h10057.www1.hp.com/ecomcat/hpcatalog/specs/provisioner/05/C6075A.htm
is copyright 2006, so perhaps not "classic"
and says:
"HP Designjet 1055cm Printer"
(tho 1055mm seems more likely to me)
Tomorrow (13th) is trash day, current forecast is 0% chance of
precipitation today and tomorrow. You'll need a van or a pickup
truck, it's larger than I could drag home, and I've no place to put
it.
Anyone familiar?with early television closed circuit system at used in conjunction ?with ?the SAGE System?!? Got a ?odd ?little ?group?of ?USAF ?TV ?related papers ?etc... ?but ?some ?tagged ?SAGE...
?
thanks in advance ?Ed# ?
Trying to get a leg up on a project and keep a ratio of peripherals to machines, please let me know if you have one to sell.
Sent from my toaster oven.
Need to start cleaning aut, will have more/better pictures soon
The Alphas have full True64 feature certificates, at least one ran
before going into storage and has 2 72 GBs and at least 3 new 300 GB drives.
One of the Suns is a Sun1 pre-production
https://photos.app.goo.gl/c8dHa89KUaUGVn9n1
The IBM RS6000 has been spoken for
-pete
Hello Folks!
I have accumulated a large assortment of random boards that I need to move
along. There's a bunch of PC stuff and then a bunch of random. It's best
to just view the list and see the accompanying photos and then ask me any
questions you might have.
The list is here:
http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?58709-New-Items-For-Sale-Check-th…
For fastest response please inquire directly via e-mail to <
sellam.ismail at gmail.com>.
Thanks!
Sellam
> From: Grant Taylor cctalk at gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net
> Sorry if this comes across wrong. ... I'm replying in an attempt to
> provide a counter point for a discussion of reality. So please don't
> take this as an attack on you, or your laudable appeal.
No problem!
> When I write things for my personal site, I want them first and
> foremost to be on my personal site.
Right, but my question is 'why are you writing them?' Is it just because you
enjoy writing, or do you do it in an attempt to convey information to others?
(Or perhaps some motivation I haven't guessed?)
Because if it's the latter, my point is that people are more likely to find
it, when they're looking for info on a topic, if it's part of something like
the CHWiki, than they are on individual Web sites.
Not only can it be included in an organized way (so that one can start with
the home page, and hopefully click on a few links to get to the topic one's
interested in), but Google et al (the _only_ way people are likely to find a
writeup in a personal Web-site) are likely to show the CHWiki page on a topic
fairly high in their search output. (I just tried a few samples to verify
that claim, so it's not just a supposition on my part! :-)
I'm not sure how their display selection algorithm works (and I gather they
are always tweaking it, both in attempt to make the results more useful, but
also to prevent people from gaming it), but it does seem to like sites that
have a mass of content.
So if you're going to put all that work into writing something up, _and_
the goal is for people to use it...
> Since I'm going to write for my site first, and I'm having to make time
> to do so ... I think it's more important to get things recorded
> somewhere, even if it's not the ideal location, than it is to delay
> getting them recorded elsewhere, if ever.
I agree it's better to have stuff online in a private site, than not at
all. I have done this quite a bit myself, e.g.:
http://www.chiappa.net/~jnc/tech/V6Unix.htmlhttp://www.chiappa.net/~jnc/tech/multics/MulticsPanels.htmlhttp://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/DECIndicatorPanels.html
so I do understand going that way. (The last two could easily be moved to the
CHWiki, if I had the time/energy...)
But speaking of the time to write things, that's another advantage of using
the CHWiki - if you want to mention some technical term/concept, on the
CHWiki you can just link to it with '[[xxx']]', and if some novice reading
the article needs to know more about that topic, they just click on the link;
no need to write explanatory text yourself.
E.g. my 'Bringing up V6 Unix on the Ersatz-11 PDP-11 Emulator' page would
probably have benefitted from that, and been a bit less long-winded as
a result...
Noel
floppies recovered and uploaded to http://bitsavers.org/bits/HP/HP_9000/cpm-68k
I'm pretty sure this will only work in a 9121 single-sided drive but I'll be trying
to boot it soon
> From: Mattis Lind
> Many are already available online but some I cannot find.
Which ones are you missing? I'm curious to see if my set has them.
Noel
> From: Dave Wade
> Or pick up the signals from the wire wrap
I think the OP's approach - disable the on-board console - is probably best:
that port is limited to 2400 baud, and with DL11's being a dime a dozen (OK,
I exaggerate a bit, but only slightly - they're available for about $25)...
And that way you get RS-232 too, and don't have to deal with 20mA - you can
plug straight into a PC.
Noel
For the cost of postage: 2 Sun brackets, part no 330-1806
One is made of clear plastic, the other is purple.
They are located in the Netherlands.
Regards,
Ed
--
Ik email, dus ik besta.
Jorg Hoppe:
I am the proud owner of an old pdp11/05. I does not have a M9970 (nor can I find one). So I cant do 20ma/rs232 output. I read in somebodies note about jumpers @W1 and W2 on the M7261F that I have. Apparently cutting one of these disables the onboard uart and will allow me to put in a serial card. I cant find the jumpers. Nor can I find a print set. Any suggestions?
So I bought some of those fiche that that eBay seller had, for publications I
couldn't locate (either physical, or online), but now that I have a complete
set of fische, the duplicates aren't any use. So, if anyone has a use for
them, let me know, FTGH:
They are:
BA11-N Tech Manual
BA11-N User's Guide
DC11 Tech Manual
DEUNA Tech Manual
DR11-B Maint Manual
FP11-B Maint Manual
KB11-A,D Maint Manual
KD11-D Maint Manual
KK11-A Tech Manual
(Please don't say "I'll take them all", I'd like to 'spread the wealth' around
a bit... :-)
Noel
> From: sop00000h
> I read in somebodies note about jumpers @W1 and W2 on the M7261F that I
> have. Apparently cutting one of these disables the onboard uart and
> will allow me to put in a serial card.
Yes, W1. And it's not cutting, it's inserting.
> I cant find the jumpers.
They aren't labeled, which does not help!
With the board component face up, and the contact fingers at the bottome, W1
is to the right of E69, and W2 is to the right of E73.
> Nor can I find a print set. Any suggestions?
Of the 4 known sets of drawings for the -11/05, 3 are available online. This
page:
http://gunkies.org/wiki/PDP-11/05
gives the names, which should help you locate them (all are in BitSavers,
IIRC).
Noel
> From: Bill Degnan
> What is the OS of the disks, what system was this disk used to
> create/save files to the RL02?
Doesn't really matter, does it, as long as the bits can all be read off the
pack into a file?
Once it's in a file, the appropriate OS, running in a simulator (and most
are, these days) can read the files out. Worst case, someone can write a
program to read the files out (I've done that for V6 filesystems - before I
found http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Tools/Filesys/) and also 4.2 FFS. (And
somewhere I used to have a program to read DOS disks, but I just looked and
couldn't find it.)
Noel
> From: Grant Taylor
> I've had plenty of things that I've found and referenced over the years
> that have disappeared from where I knew it was.
Ah, bit rot - the scourge of the Web. Thank G-d for the Internet Archive!
Although at least one major list archive had been marked to exclude robots,
or something, because even though I had 'good at one point URLs', the IA
contained... zip.
> I've taken to mirroring copies of it on my site, with proper
> accreditation.
Yes:
http://www.chiappa.net/~jnc/tech/archives.html#Personal
and of course also:
http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/cctalk/
(need to add a link to that one on my home page...)
Noel
> From: Grant Taylor
>> people are more likely to find it, when they're looking for info on a
>> topic, if it's part of something like the CHWiki, than they are on
>> individual Web sites.
> I question the validity of it.
It wasn't just supposition on my part; as I had mentioned:
>> I just tried a few samples to verify that claim
and I didn't cheat by using, e.g. KT11-B, I tried to use fairly generic
things, e.g. 'RK05 disk drive' (third listing), 'PDP-11' (fifth listing),
etc.
Admittedly, that's hardly cast-iron proof, but it's a lot beter than just 'it
stands to [my] reason'....
> searching Google for CHWiki came up with things that I think were name
> collisions.
Huh? If you do a Google search for 'computer history wiki', it's the first
non-Wikipedia page in the results list.
I call it the CHWiki when typing posts for here since I would get tired of
typing out the whole long 'Computer History wiki' every time, but I will add
that short term to some pages there to help it show up under that name.
> I'd be more likely to publish things on (what I consider to be) an even
> bigger and more well known Wiki, namely Wikipedia.
Be my guest! :-) I've been there, done that, and moved on, because I got
tired of stupidity like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_the_Internet/Archive_3#Pictur…
Also, the page that started this ("How to enable USB drives in both Windows
98SE AND MS-DOS 7.1") might well be ditched from Wikipedia, for a variety of
Wiki-bureacratic reasons I won't get into here ('no original research', plus
to which it's not really suitable material for a general encyclopaedia).
>> http://www.chiappa.net/~jnc/tech/V6Unix.html
>> http://www.chiappa.net/~jnc/tech/multics/MulticsPanels.html
>> http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/DECIndicatorPanels.html
>>
>> so I do understand going that way.
> it seems as if you are asking us to do something different than you
> yourself are currently doing
Err, no. The first and third _pre-date_ my joining the CHWiki.
Why I did the second one as a page on my own site, I don't really recall -
maybe because it changed so much in the course of researching it? (It's very
convenient - I had the HTML source on disk opened in a browser window, and
any time I wanted to see what it currently looked like, I just had to hit the
'refresh' button.)
I have done several major things only on the CHWiki, e.g.:
http://gunkies.org/wiki/KT11-B_Technical_Manual
as well as a ton of other stuff.
But clearly you aren't interested in moving off your own personal site -
which is fine.
Noel
Is the code for the KDF11-B ROMs available in machine-readable source
anywhere? I looked with Google, but couldn't find anything.
Eventually I recalled having seen it in the fiche, which was better than
nothing (disassembling something that size to see how it worked was, ah,
unappealing, shall we say?), but it's still pretty hard to work with (where is
'FOO:' in all these pages), hence the interest in the machine-readable source.
BTW, it appears these ROMs can be used in the BDV11, too - which is nice
because the stock BDV11 code only checks 256 KB, whereas the KDF11-B code does
the whole 4MB (and, IIRC, support more devices, too). I bought a BDV11 which
had EPROM's in it which did more than 256KB, and looking at them, they appear
to contain the KDF11-B code. So I promptly made a bunch of copies and installed
them in place of the stock ones in my other BDV11's! :-)
Noel