- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by slandon110＠gmail.com

Im doing an Amiga Exhibit, Exhibiting my Amiga 2000 and Amiga Like Operating Systems like AROS and MorphOS. So Im putting out the call for peeps to bring out Amiga Stuff. Ill also be showing off The AmigaGO- A portable laptop based UAE System, and the AmigaMini, A thin client based Amiga UAE system.

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UPS and shipping/packing (was Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 132, Issue 38)

by isking＠uw.edu

On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 3:31 PM, <cctalk-request at classiccmp.org> wrote: > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 11:12:13 -0600 > From: Roe Peterson <roeapeterson at gmail.com> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Cc: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Where to Get "Professional" Packing Done for Shipping a > Message-ID: <4F7C1DA6-043D-4908-85DC-5EAC0456D896 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > On Aug 17, 2014, at 3:02 AM, Peter Coghlan <cctech at beyondthepale.ie> > wrote: > > > > > >> > >> I don't like the UPS Store they are spotty. > > I will never use nor accept UPS shipping again. This customs brokerage > scam they run is well known, and has been documented. Even using my own > brokerage firm has failed. Despite full info on the brokerage existing in > the shipping documentation, UPS insists on telephone voice confirmation, or > they charge for brokerage. A ridiculous amount. > > Even after that, after voice confirmation, UPS _twice_ attempted to > collect silly brokerage fees from me. I refused, the agent left the > packages here as I was about to call UPS and bitch, and then the assholes > actually sent the amounts to a collection agency! > > I explained to the CA that I had already paid the brokerage via another > agent, and that their client was committing criminal fraud; I then welcomed > a lawsuit. > > I have not heard a word since. > > It may be that UPS is OK for domestic shipping, but their international > service is a serious scam. > > And if UPS is listening: yes, you are criminals and scam artists. Come > and get me if you dare, truth is always a positive defense against libel > and slander. > > Ah yes, Useless Partial Service. All the other carriers deliver to my lab at the university without a problem. UPS insists on either delivering to the school's main office - on main campus, 3/4 mile away - or not delivering at all, sometimes for days. Yeah, 3/4 mile isn't far - unless the package is a case of disk drives. Is it a Coke/Pepsi-style thing, where the carriers some how lock in their customers? I've asked vendors from whom I buy routinely to use FedEx or even USPS instead of UPS, and some say they won't/can't. I tell them I won't/can't put up with UPS' sad excuse for service, so expect less business from me. (Sometimes you just don't have a choice.) Why do you think the trucks are BROWN? <holding nose> -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS Ph.D. Candidate The Information School University of Washington Madness takes its toll - please have exact change.

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VCFMW/ECCC Rooms- GF and I have space available

by slandon110＠gmail.com

My gf and I were only able to book a double queen room, So there is space available if someone needs a room. Just split the cost of it with us, 75 dollars for 2 nights.

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VAX 4000-100A motherboard, CPU and firmware

by shadoooo＠gmail.com

Hello, I have a VAX 4000-100A (54-21797-01) that gives P-cache errors. I would try to understand if the problem can be fixed somehow, or if the CPU / motherboard needs to be replaced. Anybody has NVAX CPU datasheets, including pinout to check if there's something wrong with basics like power supply, cache invalidate signals, etc? Thanks Andrea

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standard 6502 syntax?

by a.phillip.garcia＠gmail.com

Was there more or less a standard or reference 6502 assembly language (e.g. >from MOS) with regard to syntax and pseudo ops? With the cpu being used in so many different computers, and so many vendors writing their own assemblers for each platform, did the assemblers tend to resemble each other (besides the instruction set), or did everyone tend to do their own thing?

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Disk for HP 9825B

by hp-fix＠xs4all.nl

Opening the rom cartridge is a little tricky it's holding together through four rivets. You need to heat them before they can be removed, there is a big change you will damage the housing. But with some glue logic it should be possible to read the rom with a programmer. And I know at least three 98228A ROM's, one in Australia one in the UK(London area) and one in the Netherlands ;) -Rik -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: "Brian L. Stuart" <blstuart at bellsouth.net> Verzonden: ?16-?8-?2014 18:31 Aan: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Onderwerp: Re: Disk for HP 9825B > I and others have been looking for a > 98228A ROM for years, without luck.? If you do manage > to find one, please consider making it available to have the > contents of the ROM read out so we can build new ROM > modules!? I'd love to use my 9885M with my 9825T.? What would be involved with imaging a module? I've never cracked on open before, or is there a way to read its contents from the 9825 itself? BLS

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if it seems too good to be true...

by a.phillip.garcia＠gmail.com

I've seen paperweights that contain replicas of the first transistor to commemorate its invention. I'm guessing that's the sort of thing this is? Anyone seen one of these before and knows for sure? Item: Univac I Computer Serial # 001 Plaque 1951 US Dept of Commerce Bureau of Census <http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=191287398219&alt=web> URL: http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=191287398219&alt=web Alt URL: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Univac-Computer-Serial-001-Plaque-1951-US-Dept-Comm… (Sent from eBay Mobile for Android)

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XT-CF-Lite boards

by terry＠webweavers.co.nz

Pretty nifty devices. I recently had a play... http://www.classic-computers.org.nz/blog/2014-08-16-xtcf-lite.htm

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Open source Nova 3 assembler

by shadoooo＠gmail.com

Hello Mark, well I suppose it would be very useful for this kind of operations. And as the whole read operation would be in the control of the PC, you could retrieve the whole disk, or a part, or a single sector.. whatever you want. The first step is to debug it and let it work with SIMH. Then I will try it with my 8" double floppy unit. At this time, adding support for any other drive would be a matter of knowing the peripheral control registers and producing a set of scripts from these informations. I will keep you informed about it. Thanks Andrea

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VAX 4000-100A motherboard, CPU and firmware

by andrea.pastega＠gmail.com

Hello, I have a VAX 4000-100A (54-21797-01) that gives P-cache errors. I would try to understand if the problem can be fixed somehow, or if the CPU / motherboard needs to be replaced. Anybody has NVAX CPU datasheets, including pinout to check if there's something wrong with basics like power supply, cache invalidate signals, etc? Thanks Andrea

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An 8 Inch Disk Lathe

by nf6x＠nf6x.net

I have a Tandon TM-848E 8" floppy drive which appears to have become a disk lathe. Or perhaps just an effective disk eraser. It's one half of an external dual 8" drive unit that I picked up off eBay several months ago. I've cleaned the heads, and I can't see any sharp spots or debris with my head-mounted magnifying lenses, but it continues to scrape rings in the oxide of a disk on both sides. I haven't tried removing the heads to put them under my microscope since that would destroy the alignment. I've only tested it with the pair of disks that came in the drive so far. It's possible that they are bad disks with soft oxide, but I haven't seen the same scraping problem so far in the other drive of the pair. So, that one drive appears to be a disk lathe now. I haven't felt up to risking a potentially good disk in the bad one. Have any of y'all seen this kind of problem before? Is it likely to be repairable, even if that involves removing the heads and then realigning the drive when I reinstall them? Or is it most likely that the drive is fine and I've just been putting bad disks in it? I don't have any alignment diskettes yet, but I may get some one of these days. For the time being, I'm assuming that I'll just use the drive as a source of parts for other TM-848-series drives in my collection, like one that I have with a broken latch handle. The other drive plus the enclosure is earmarked for use with my KryoFlux. -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X <nf6x at nf6x.net> http://www.nf6x.net/

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Disk for HP 9825B

by cruff＠ruffspot.net

I and others have been looking for a 98228A ROM for years, without luck. If you do manage to find one, please consider making it available to have the contents of the ROM read out so we can build new ROM modules! I'd love to use my 9885M with my 9825T. Thanks.

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Apple keyboards, need a good home

by sales＠elecplus.com

AppleDesign, M2980, qty 16 Keyboard II, M0487, qty 1 Extended II, M3501, qty 9 (some are MUCH heavier than others, and one has a complete hard shell cover) Also have new in pkg Apple cables Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 830-792-3400 phone 830-792-3404 fax sales at elecplus.com AOL IM elcpls

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PDP-8 and PIP

by marco＠familie-rauhut.eu

Hello, i trie to copy a binary file with 6kw length from my Linux PC to a TU56 DECTape. The TU56 is connected via TD8E to the PDP-8. I work with 9k6. Every time i try this, the transmission stops. What id on PDP-8: .R PIP *DTA1:CHESS.BN<PTR:/B ^ then on Linux i send plain Chess file. Do i need hardware flow controll on RS232? Any other helpfull hints? Marco

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Panasonic Sr. Partner

by kurt＠hamm.me

I am trying to restore one to original functionality, but have never found or seen the original software provided with this computer. If anyone has a list or the images, please let me know. Thanks! Kurt > On Aug 16, 2014, at 1:00 PM, cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > > Send cctalk mailing list submissions to > cctalk at classiccmp.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cctalk-request at classiccmp.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cctalk-owner at classiccmp.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of cctalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: CRT Question - Old Calculator (Peter Corlett) > 2. Displaywriter 8" filesystem? (David Schmidt) > 3. Re: old Sun metal kbd is GONE! (Jerry Kemp) > 4. Re: Disk for HP 9825B (Craig Ruff) > 5. Re: PDP-8 and PIP (Rick Murphy) > 6. Re: Displaywriter 8" filesystem? (Nigel Williams) > 7. Re: PDP-8 and PIP (Michael Thompson) > 8. Timex Sinclair (Electronics Plus) > 9. standard 6502 syntax? (A. P. Garcia) > 10. Re: Timex Sinclair (Alexandre Souza) > 11. Re: Sun motherboard fuses (Glen Slick) > 12. VT240 Monitor Error - 9 (Robert Jarratt) > 13. Re: standard 6502 syntax? (Sean Caron) > 14. Re: standard 6502 syntax? (Dave Caroline) > 15. Re: CompuServe Magazine Scans (Sean Caron) > 16. Re: standard 6502 syntax? (Sean Caron) > 17. Re: standard 6502 syntax? (A. P. Garcia) > 18. Re: VT240 Monitor Error - 9 (Mike Cesari) > 19. Re: Disk for HP 9825B (Brian L. Stuart) > 20. Re: standard 6502 syntax? (Ernest G. Allen) > 21. Re: Displaywriter 8" filesystem? (Chuck Guzis) > 22. Punched Cards (Dave G4UGM) > 23. RE: VT240 Monitor Error - 9 (Robert Jarratt) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 11:02:46 +0100 > From: Peter Corlett <abuse at cabal.org.uk> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: CRT Question - Old Calculator > Message-ID: <20140816100246.GB25717 at mooli.org.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >> On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 02:43:50PM -0600, Eric Smith wrote: >> [...] >> I've also never gotten poor-quality cables with any of my AV gear, but then, >> I only have purchased fairly reputable brands (e.g., Denon, Epson, Kenwood, >> Marantz, Onkyo, Panasonic, Philips, Pioneer, Sony, Tascam/Teac). I don't >> doubt that crappy (or no-name) brands might provide crappy cables, if they >> bothered to provide any at all. > > Back in 2000, I bought a Pioneer amplifier and DVD player for roughly ?300 > each, so not exactly low-end kit. There were still crappy leads in the box. > > These things are really just starter cables to test the device works and which > are expected to be replaced almost immediately, much like the dribble of ink or > dusting of toner that comes with a new printer. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 13:24:20 -0400 > From: David Schmidt <david at attglobal.net> > To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only <cctech at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Displaywriter 8" filesystem? > Message-ID: <53EE4244.3040702 at attglobal.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I've imaged a little stack of Displaywriter 8" disks and am starting in > on filesystem organization. With an EBCDIC filter I can see the data > plain as day. I've also got experience stitching together the > DisplayWriter files that come from the DOS-based system, so if I could > get the file allocation scheme figured out and lift off whole files from > these disk images, I bet the same conversion code would work on the > resulting data. > > I've browsed the manuals on Bitsavers, but of course IBM never intended > their users to actually look at the bytes on the disk. So none of the > information was geared towards revealing the file allocation secrets. > > Is there any reference material out there to help me decode (or find) > the file allocation structures? > > - David > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 12:34:40 -0500 > From: Jerry Kemp <other at oryx.cc> > To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only <cctech at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: old Sun metal kbd is GONE! > Message-ID: <53EE44B0.90502 at oryx.cc> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > >> On 08/13/14 04:48 PM, Jason T wrote: >>> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Electronics Plus <sales at elecplus.com> wrote: >>>> The old Sun kbd has been claimed. >>> >>> I didn't think that would take long. I don't have any Sun gear that >>> old or I would have spoken up (my oldest is a 3/50 for which I still >>> need to make a DA15-DIN8 adapter or find a sun3 kb). >> >> That model # doesn't turn up anywhere. Which model keyboard was this? >> That part # says Sun-2 era or earlier to me. > > > Who ever got the 540-1006-03 metal Sun keyboard, I know I would sure appreciate > it if you could post a few pictures. > > My Yahoo-fu may be off today also, but I am unable to find any images of it either. > > Jerry > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 16:48:15 -0600 > From: Craig Ruff <cruff at ruffspot.net> > To: cctech at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Disk for HP 9825B > Message-ID: <26F0B123-1E37-409D-9861-AD68862523AC at ruffspot.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I and others have been looking for a 98228A ROM for years, without luck. If you do manage to find one, please consider making it available to have the contents of the ROM read out so we can build new ROM modules! I'd love to use my 9885M with my 9825T. Thanks. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 20:44:22 -0400 > From: Rick Murphy <rick at rickmurphy.net> > To: Marco Rauhut <marco at familie-rauhut.eu>, General Discussion: > Subject: Re: PDP-8 and PIP > Message-ID: <201408160044.s7G0iUwK029252 at rickmurphy.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 12:37 PM 8/15/2014, Marco Rauhut wrote: >> Hello, >> >> i trie to copy a binary file with 6kw length from my Linux PC to a >> TU56 DECTape. The TU56 is connected via TD8E to the PDP-8. I work with >> 9k6. Every time i try this, the transmission stops. >> >> What id on PDP-8: >> >> .R PIP >> *DTA1:CHESS.BN<PTR:/B >> ^ >> >> then on Linux i send plain Chess file. >> >> Do i need hardware flow controll on RS232? Any other helpfull hints? > > You need some form of flow control, but getting to PDP-8 to signal > ready is going to be interesting. What's the "PTR:" device in this > case, the console input? If so, you may be able to use reader run as a > CTS indicator somehow. > > What's happening here is that PIP fills a buffer, then initiates a > write via the TD8E onto the tape. Until the TD8E driver gets done > positioning and writing, PIP is no longer in control and there's > nothing reading from the input device. You've got to figure out how to > suspend feeding data until the device handler returns and allowing PIP > to run. It doesn't matter what baud rate you use given that it can take > minutes for a tape I/O to complete. You will lose characters. > > I've managed to make serial upload work with "echo control": send a > character, wait until it's echoed before you send another. Agonizingly > slow. > > I'd suggest looking into the Kermit-12 docs and uploadable files. > There's a way to bootstrap yourself over a serial device to a working > Kermit. > -Rick > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 21:50:44 +1000 > From: Nigel Williams <nw at retrocomputingtasmania.com> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Displaywriter 8" filesystem? > Message-ID: > <CACCFpdwhwdSQ+9-RgDAqcrjTBmT3DnxMqstx3BQhHBWkvQ9M4g at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >> On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 3:24 AM, David Schmidt <david at attglobal.net> wrote: >> I've imaged a little stack of Displaywriter 8" disks and am starting in on >> filesystem organization. > > Would you able to list the diskettes please so I can add to the public > catalogue of known Displaywriter software. > >> Is there any reference material out there to help me decode (or find) the >> file allocation structures? > > The "physical" layout is documented here: > > http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/ibm/floppy/GA21-9182-5_Diskette_Gene… > > and there are other versions of the document in the same directory. > The DW logical structure more or less follows the physical layout, > however there are new filetypes and extensions. I was planning to > return to building a decoder once I had additional images to work with > so it would be easier to triangulate the DW specifics. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 08:44:39 -0400 > From: Michael Thompson <michael.99.thompson at gmail.com> > To: cctech <cctech at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: PDP-8 and PIP > Message-ID: > <CAH1BU=-DYUdv+x+WA_=fNxrEU7Xdv6+KGerEbH7iW5RHggjKdQ at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >> >> From: Marco Rauhut <marco at familie-rauhut.eu> >> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 18:37:57 +0200 >> Hello, >> >> i trie to copy a binary file with 6kw length from my Linux PC to a TU56 >> DECTape. The TU56 is connected via TD8E to the PDP-8. I work with 9k6. >> Every time i try this, the transmission stops. >> >> What id on PDP-8: >> >> .R PIP >> *DTA1:CHESS.BN<PTR:/B >> ^ >> >> then on Linux i send plain Chess file. >> >> Do i need hardware flow controll on RS232? Any other helpfull hints? >> >> Marco > > When we tried something similar on an 8/I, and it also failed. It worked OK > after we connected the reader relay logic on the console to RTS/CTS on the > PC and enabled flow control. > > You could make an image of the DECtape using SIMH and then use David > Gesswein's resttd8e. One part of the program runs on the PDP-8, and one > part runs on the PC. No hardware flow control is needed. > ftp://ftp.pdp8online.com/software/dumprest > > -- > Michael Thompson > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 08:12:22 -0500 > From: "Electronics Plus" <sales at elecplus.com> > To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Timex Sinclair > Message-ID: <002001cfb953$b74c0370$25e40a50$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Who asked for the Timex Sinclair computer and RAM module? > > > > Cindy Croxton > > Electronics Plus > > 1613 Water Street > > Kerrville, TX 78028 > > 830-792-3400 phone > > 830-792-3404 fax > > sales at elecplus.com > > AOL IM elcpls > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 08:45:44 -0500 > From: "A. P. Garcia" <a.phillip.garcia at gmail.com> > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Subject: standard 6502 syntax? > Message-ID: > <CAFCBnZsMZVR9jf3+NT0++tbrYOY-y5zmXU6ELy+=u-pNvqXRsQ at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Was there more or less a standard or reference 6502 assembly language (e.g. > from MOS) with regard to syntax and pseudo ops? With the cpu being used in > so many different computers, and so many vendors writing their own > assemblers for each platform, did the assemblers tend to resemble each > other (besides the instruction set), or did everyone tend to do their own > thing? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 11:00:51 -0300 > From: Alexandre Souza <alexandre.tabajara at gmail.com> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Timex Sinclair > Message-ID: > <CANdZFKTBE3-_-CQErBmSHoRnF86BGuzq3YbaH8x5ZZaVMqYubA at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Me! > > enviado do meu telemovel > Em 16/08/2014 10:16, "Electronics Plus" <sales at elecplus.com> escreveu: > >> Who asked for the Timex Sinclair computer and RAM module? >> >> >> >> Cindy Croxton >> >> Electronics Plus >> >> 1613 Water Street >> >> Kerrville, TX 78028 >> >> 830-792-3400 phone >> >> 830-792-3404 fax >> >> sales at elecplus.com >> >> AOL IM elcpls > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 07:07:39 -0700 > From: Glen Slick <glen.slick at gmail.com> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Sun motherboard fuses > Message-ID: > <CAM2UOwL_cTvgTUt-0Z_Nm67oLPma9AfkTtq1u3abST-Mc7DSMQ at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >> On Aug 16, 2014 12:00 AM, "Kurt Nowak" <knowak at alumni.calpoly.edu> wrote: >> >> Actually my eyes are bad...its 125V not 12.5V! (2A) :) Mouser has 'em: >> Mouser P/N 576-0274002.V They aren't cheap and they're back ordered. > > Does it have to be the 274 instead of the 273 version? Looks like the 274 > is the mil spec version and the 273 is the commercial version. > > The 0273002.H is half the price at Mouser. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 15:31:36 +0100 > From: "Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: VT240 Monitor Error - 9 > Message-ID: <008801cfb95e$c8e7e9e0$5ab7bda0$(a)ntlworld.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I just got a VT240 with a VR201 monitor. When I switch it on it displays > "??240 Monitor Error - 9" (although the question marks are reversed). > > > > The terminal works otherwise. It displays the setup menus, and it works when > connected to one of my VAXen. > > > > I have looked in the docs I have, but none have troubleshooting information, > and I can't find anything online. > > > > Any idea what this error means? > > > > Incidentally, I used to use a software package called UNIRAS to do graphics > on VAXen, does anyone know if it is still possible to find this software? > Anyone got anything to exercise the VT240's graphical capabilities? I > believe Datatrieve has something, but I don't want to install that just to > test the VT240. > > > > Regards > > > > Rob > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 10:44:12 -0400 > From: Sean Caron <scaron at umich.edu> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org>, Sean Caron <scaron at umich.edu> > Subject: Re: standard 6502 syntax? > Message-ID: > <CAA43vkX1MPRHYNQUktV3Qux1kh4XG_tiy9o5rvnxrYSBc4=QvA at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi A.P, > > The data sheets are out there; I've seen about three different datasheets > for the 6502 floating around, one is the original MOS preliminary, there's > a Synertek one, and there's the brand new one from WDC. I'm sure you could > find more if you hunted around. > > It's all the same op-codes and addressing modes; except in the currently > shipping 65C02(S) they added a few instructions and filled out a few pins > that aren't present in the earlier revs. So if you are working with an > older 6502, use the older datasheet; if you just went out and got a brand > new one from WDC, use the new data sheet. > > Other than that, any old 6502 data sheet is about as definitive as it gets > :) > > If you are talking about assembler macros and stuff like that, I'm sure > there are as many variants as there were assemblers, little to no > standardization there from my experience, LOL. But regardless of the > computer, it's the same 6502 and same op-codes underneath. > > I'm in the middle of doing a little 6502 SBC right now so I've been poring > through these publications quite a bit over the course of the last few > weeks ;) > > Another neat reference is 'The 6800 Processor' by Jack Quinn, I know it's > not 6502-specific but the two CPUs were so similar, there's a lot of > relevance... nice book discussing the programming model on these CPUs > including a very thorough treatment on hand-assembly which I found to be > quite educational. > > Best, > > Sean > > > > On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 9:45 AM, A. P. Garcia <a.phillip.garcia at gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Was there more or less a standard or reference 6502 assembly language (e.g. >> from MOS) with regard to syntax and pseudo ops? With the cpu being used in >> so many different computers, and so many vendors writing their own >> assemblers for each platform, did the assemblers tend to resemble each >> other (besides the instruction set), or did everyone tend to do their own >> thing? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 16:01:26 +0100 > From: Dave Caroline <dave.thearchivist at gmail.com> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: standard 6502 syntax? > Message-ID: > <CALfYgtk7LJPCiAKHxRp-WsU-=LuxGdvM0MjzFBLdP-x_LBVBSQ at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > It is electrically different to the 6800 not to confuse the two chips, > different clock etc > There was a Rockwell version too > > Dave Caroline > >> On 16/08/2014, Sean Caron <scaron at umich.edu> wrote: >> Hi A.P, >> >> The data sheets are out there; I've seen about three different datasheets >> for the 6502 floating around, one is the original MOS preliminary, there's >> a Synertek one, and there's the brand new one from WDC. I'm sure you could >> find more if you hunted around. >> >> It's all the same op-codes and addressing modes; except in the currently >> shipping 65C02(S) they added a few instructions and filled out a few pins >> that aren't present in the earlier revs. So if you are working with an >> older 6502, use the older datasheet; if you just went out and got a brand >> new one from WDC, use the new data sheet. >> >> Other than that, any old 6502 data sheet is about as definitive as it gets >> :) >> >> If you are talking about assembler macros and stuff like that, I'm sure >> there are as many variants as there were assemblers, little to no >> standardization there from my experience, LOL. But regardless of the >> computer, it's the same 6502 and same op-codes underneath. >> >> I'm in the middle of doing a little 6502 SBC right now so I've been poring >> through these publications quite a bit over the course of the last few >> weeks ;) >> >> Another neat reference is 'The 6800 Processor' by Jack Quinn, I know it's >> not 6502-specific but the two CPUs were so similar, there's a lot of >> relevance... nice book discussing the programming model on these CPUs >> including a very thorough treatment on hand-assembly which I found to be >> quite educational. >> >> Best, >> >> Sean >> >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 9:45 AM, A. P. Garcia <a.phillip.garcia at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Was there more or less a standard or reference 6502 assembly language >>> (e.g. >>> from MOS) with regard to syntax and pseudo ops? With the cpu being used >>> in >>> so many different computers, and so many vendors writing their own >>> assemblers for each platform, did the assemblers tend to resemble each >>> other (besides the instruction set), or did everyone tend to do their own >>> thing? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 11:14:29 -0400 > From: Sean Caron <scaron at umich.edu> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org>, Sean Caron <scaron at umich.edu> > Subject: Re: CompuServe Magazine Scans > Message-ID: > <CAA43vkWT9FSPhky2PH4SONL_93mO+78zH0v3AfrBX5vu1nq7_g at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Is there a lot of interest in this sort of stuff? I have a bunch of old > MacUser and Macworld magazines (various issues, 1985 thru 1996 or so) > including a mint October 1985 MacUser issue 1, a bunch of old LisaTalk > Report magazines, and some Sun Remarketing catalogs. I would have more but > this is all I managed to save from my Dad's house-cleaning (AFAIK). Might > still be able to scrape up a few more next time I visit. Hope to find a few > more old MacUser/Macworld mags and a stack of mid-1990s Byte magazines I > collected as a young'un. > > I suppose I could add some of these to my to-scan pile... we'll see what > the masses think. I enjoy thumbing through them. > > Best, > > Sean > > > >> On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 3:31 AM, Jason T <silent700 at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I am very pleased to announce, and be done with, the scanning of a >> small stack of CompuServe Magazine, the magazine sent to subscribers >> of the online service of the same name. There are 19 issues in all, >> various months from 1990, 91 and 92. They're full of ads for "The >> Mall," CompuServe's online shopping service, with a good sampling of >> the products of the times. The articles cover a wide range of topics >> (and how they're accessible on their service) as well as predictions >> of CompuServe's existence for decades to come. Not much mention of >> this "Internet" thing... >> >> Due to the size of the files and the ease of reading documents in >> their browser, I uploaded the scans to archive.org instead of our >> usual docs site. All of the issues should be accessible with this >> search: >> >> https://archive.org/search.php?query=compuserve%20magazine >> >> Enjoy! >> >> - jht >> >> -- >> silent700.blogspot.com >> Retrocomputing and collecting in the Chicago area: >> http://chiclassiccomp.org > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 11:20:24 -0400 > From: Sean Caron <scaron at umich.edu> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org>, Sean Caron <scaron at umich.edu> > Subject: Re: standard 6502 syntax? > Message-ID: > <CAA43vkU+vf8ta_XTRwb8115OFDU61HPwa=LcHaqOEfJX8r=uhg at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Oh, yes, sorry, I hope I wasn't unclear in my previous message; the only > similarity between 6800 and 6502 is the general machine architecture and > programming modality (they also share many assembly mnemonics). The 6800 > and 6502 are not op-code or pin compatible. > > I just referenced the Quinn text because I think it's pretty good for the > high-level concepts and I'm not aware of any similar publication dedicated > to the 6502 specifically. > > Best, > > Sean > > > On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Dave Caroline <dave.thearchivist at gmail.com >> wrote: > >> It is electrically different to the 6800 not to confuse the two chips, >> different clock etc >> There was a Rockwell version too >> >> Dave Caroline >> >>> On 16/08/2014, Sean Caron <scaron at umich.edu> wrote: >>> Hi A.P, >>> >>> The data sheets are out there; I've seen about three different datasheets >>> for the 6502 floating around, one is the original MOS preliminary, >> there's >>> a Synertek one, and there's the brand new one from WDC. I'm sure you >> could >>> find more if you hunted around. >>> >>> It's all the same op-codes and addressing modes; except in the currently >>> shipping 65C02(S) they added a few instructions and filled out a few pins >>> that aren't present in the earlier revs. So if you are working with an >>> older 6502, use the older datasheet; if you just went out and got a brand >>> new one from WDC, use the new data sheet. >>> >>> Other than that, any old 6502 data sheet is about as definitive as it >> gets >>> :) >>> >>> If you are talking about assembler macros and stuff like that, I'm sure >>> there are as many variants as there were assemblers, little to no >>> standardization there from my experience, LOL. But regardless of the >>> computer, it's the same 6502 and same op-codes underneath. >>> >>> I'm in the middle of doing a little 6502 SBC right now so I've been >> poring >>> through these publications quite a bit over the course of the last few >>> weeks ;) >>> >>> Another neat reference is 'The 6800 Processor' by Jack Quinn, I know it's >>> not 6502-specific but the two CPUs were so similar, there's a lot of >>> relevance... nice book discussing the programming model on these CPUs >>> including a very thorough treatment on hand-assembly which I found to be >>> quite educational. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Sean >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 9:45 AM, A. P. Garcia < >> a.phillip.garcia at gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Was there more or less a standard or reference 6502 assembly language >>>> (e.g. >>>> from MOS) with regard to syntax and pseudo ops? With the cpu being used >>>> in >>>> so many different computers, and so many vendors writing their own >>>> assemblers for each platform, did the assemblers tend to resemble each >>>> other (besides the instruction set), or did everyone tend to do their >> own >>>> thing? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 10:31:18 -0500 > From: "A. P. Garcia" <a.phillip.garcia at gmail.com> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: standard 6502 syntax? > Message-ID: > <CAFCBnZukAFOvmqi=hM+spOPr8u4io-Z8PYkyDg5CvWtr_kJqKA at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Sean Caron <scaron at umich.edu> wrote: > > <snip> >> If you are talking about assembler macros and stuff like that, I'm sure >> there are as many variants as there were assemblers, little to no >> standardization there from my experience, LOL. But regardless of the >> computer, it's the same 6502 and same op-codes underneath. > > Yes, that's what I was getting at. Given the lack of standardization, > my next set of questions would be: Was there a specific 6502 assembler > that you particularly enjoyed working with? Was there a dominant one > on the market--i.e. is there a particular assembler for which a > majority of available code was written for? Probably the most famous > bit of 6502 asm out there is the Apple II Prince of Persia > [https://github.com/jmechner/Prince-of-Persia-Apple-II]. Which > assembler(s) can process this source as-is? > > >> I'm in the middle of doing a little 6502 SBC right now so I've been poring >> through these publications quite a bit over the course of the last few >> weeks ;) >> >> Another neat reference is 'The 6800 Processor' by Jack Quinn, I know it's >> not 6502-specific but the two CPUs were so similar, there's a lot of >> relevance... nice book discussing the programming model on these CPUs >> including a very thorough treatment on hand-assembly which I found to be >> quite educational. > > Nice. Thanks for the recommendation. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 10:06:02 -0600 > From: Mike Cesari <mcesari at comcast.net> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: VT240 Monitor Error - 9 > Message-ID: <4E13E18A-EECF-408B-96A5-EB14B0AAA16D at comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Here's the Manx reference: > > http://manx.classiccmp.org/details.php/1,2969 > > On page 12 it lists 3 possibilities: > > 1. Plug in VR201 (LED indicator only) > 2. Reverse monitor cable. > 3. replace monitor cable. > > Good luck, > > Mike > >> On Aug 16, 2014, at 8:31 AM, Robert Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote: >> >> I just got a VT240 with a VR201 monitor. When I switch it on it displays >> "??240 Monitor Error - 9" (although the question marks are reversed). >> >> >> >> The terminal works otherwise. It displays the setup menus, and it works when >> connected to one of my VAXen. >> >> >> >> I have looked in the docs I have, but none have troubleshooting information, >> and I can't find anything online. >> >> >> >> Any idea what this error means? >> >> >> >> Incidentally, I used to use a software package called UNIRAS to do graphics >> on VAXen, does anyone know if it is still possible to find this software? >> Anyone got anything to exercise the VT240's graphical capabilities? I >> believe Datatrieve has something, but I don't want to install that just to >> test the VT240. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> Rob > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 09:12:38 -0700 > From: "Brian L. Stuart" <blstuart at bellsouth.net> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Disk for HP 9825B > Message-ID: > <1408205558.88109.YahooMailBasic at web184706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >> I and others have been looking for a >> 98228A ROM for years, without luck.? If you do manage >> to find one, please consider making it available to have the >> contents of the ROM read out so we can build new ROM >> modules!? I'd love to use my 9885M with my 9825T.? > > What would be involved with imaging a module? I've > never cracked on open before, or is there a way to read > its contents from the 9825 itself? > > BLS > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 09:10:51 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Ernest G. Allen" <eallen at owt.com> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Cc: eallen at owt.com > Subject: Re: standard 6502 syntax? > Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.2.00.1408160908040.23281 at oneworld.owt.com> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > > >> On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, A. P. Garcia wrote: >> >> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 08:31:18 >> From: A. P. Garcia <a.phillip.garcia at gmail.com> >> Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" >> <cctalk at classiccmp.org> >> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> >> Subject: Re: standard 6502 syntax? >> >> On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Sean Caron <scaron at umich.edu> wrote: >> >> <snip> >>> If you are talking about assembler macros and stuff like that, I'm sure >>> there are as many variants as there were assemblers, little to no >>> standardization there from my experience, LOL. But regardless of the >>> computer, it's the same 6502 and same op-codes underneath. >> >> Yes, that's what I was getting at. Given the lack of standardization, >> my next set of questions would be: Was there a specific 6502 assembler >> that you particularly enjoyed working with? Was there a dominant one >> on the market--i.e. is there a particular assembler for which a >> majority of available code was written for? Probably the most famous >> bit of 6502 asm out there is the Apple II Prince of Persia >> [https://github.com/jmechner/Prince-of-Persia-Apple-II]. Which >> assembler(s) can process this source as-is? >> >> >>> I'm in the middle of doing a little 6502 SBC right now so I've been poring >>> through these publications quite a bit over the course of the last few >>> weeks ;) >>> >>> Another neat reference is 'The 6800 Processor' by Jack Quinn, I know it's >>> not 6502-specific but the two CPUs were so similar, there's a lot of >>> relevance... nice book discussing the programming model on these CPUs >>> including a very thorough treatment on hand-assembly which I found to be >>> quite educational. >> >> Nice. Thanks for the recommendation. > > Thank you for the github link. > > I think that the assembler source for Prince of Persia was > written for the Merlin version 2.52 assemlber. See the line: > > * Merlin 2.52 --> RW18 "USR" interface routine. > > near the top of the file "04 Support/MakeDisk/USR18.S". > > --Ernest > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 09:37:46 -0700 > From: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Displaywriter 8" filesystem? > Message-ID: <53EF88DA.6030402 at sydex.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >> On 08/15/2014 10:24 AM, David Schmidt wrote: >> >> I've browsed the manuals on Bitsavers, but of course IBM never intended >> their users to actually look at the bytes on the disk. So none of the >> information was geared towards revealing the file allocation secrets. >> >> Is there any reference material out there to help me decode (or find) >> the file allocation structures? > > I did a DW to (of all things) HTML conversion utility some years back. I > recall that the filesystem (if it could be called that) was a bit odd. > The curious thing that I remember about the data was that all of the > special effects (bolding, underlining) were actual printer codes fro the > IBM daisywheel printer. > > If you're desperate, I can see if I can still find my work. I haven't > seen a DW floppy in perhaps a decade. > > --Chuck > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 17:41:22 +0100 > From: "Dave G4UGM" <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> > To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Punched Cards > Message-ID: <000201cfb970$eb46b8b0$c1d42a10$(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Folks, > > > > I seem to remember that some time ago it was mentioned on here that there > was a place in Germany that still sold punched cards? > > Any one in the UK? > > > > Dave > > G4UGM > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 23 > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 17:51:07 +0100 > From: "Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> > To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: RE: VT240 Monitor Error - 9 > Message-ID: <009301cfb972$46870da0$d39528e0$(a)ntlworld.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I missed the pocket manual, thanks for that. I have reversed the monitor > cable and it comes up with VT240 OK now. > > Thanks! > > Rob > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] >> On Behalf Of Mike Cesari >> Sent: 16 August 2014 17:06 >> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts >> Subject: Re: VT240 Monitor Error - 9 >> >> >> Here's the Manx reference: >> >> http://manx.classiccmp.org/details.php/1,2969 >> >> On page 12 it lists 3 possibilities: >> >> 1. Plug in VR201 (LED indicator only) >> 2. Reverse monitor cable. >> 3. replace monitor cable. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Mike >> >> On Aug 16, 2014, at 8:31 AM, Robert Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I just got a VT240 with a VR201 monitor. When I switch it on it >>> displays >>> "??240 Monitor Error - 9" (although the question marks are reversed). >>> >>> >>> >>> The terminal works otherwise. It displays the setup menus, and it >>> works when connected to one of my VAXen. >>> >>> >>> >>> I have looked in the docs I have, but none have troubleshooting >>> information, and I can't find anything online. >>> >>> >>> >>> Any idea what this error means? >>> >>> >>> >>> Incidentally, I used to use a software package called UNIRAS to do >>> graphics on VAXen, does anyone know if it is still possible to find this >> software? >>> Anyone got anything to exercise the VT240's graphical capabilities? I >>> believe Datatrieve has something, but I don't want to install that >>> just to test the VT240. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> >>> Rob > > > > > End of cctalk Digest, Vol 132, Issue 35 > ***************************************

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Shipping and Tracking via UPS

by ggs＠shiresoft.com

The IBM 3278 terminal that I've been waiting for is now officially lost. UPS even said so! What I found out is that when you track a package on UPS, most of the "scans" you see are logical scans. That is, where UPS *thinks* the package is. UPS doesn't actually know where a package is unless there are "physical" scans. At certain points in a package's travels, there will be occasional physical scans but they are not as often as UPS's tracking would imply. It turns out that with my 3278 terminal, there was not *one* physical scan. The folks at UPS said that is *very* unusual. It could mean that it's sitting where the shipper dropped it off (here's hoping) and never actually went anywhere. It's not like it's a small package (145# in a wooden crate). So it's not likely to have been misplaced. ;-) The other thing that I found out about UPS, is that they don't really want to talk to the receiver. They only want to talk to the shipper. Fortunately the shipper in this case has been really helpful and willing to deal with UPS on my behalf. So, anyone know where there's an IBM 3278/9 terminal available? ;-) TTFN - Guy

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Sun motherboard fuses

by knowak＠alumni.calpoly.edu

Does anyone know of a good source or have 2 or 3 of the little cylindrical 12.5V 2A plug type fuses commonly found on Sun hardware P/N 150-1174-01? I blew one on my IPC and it would be nice to have a couple spares too. -Kurt

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Punched Cards

by dave.g4ugm＠gmail.com

Folks, I seem to remember that some time ago it was mentioned on here that there was a place in Germany that still sold punched cards? Any one in the UK? Dave G4UGM

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Timex Sinclair

by sales＠elecplus.com

Who asked for the Timex Sinclair computer and RAM module? Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 830-792-3400 phone 830-792-3404 fax sales at elecplus.com AOL IM elcpls

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PDP-8 and PIP

by michael.99.thompson＠gmail.com

> > From: Marco Rauhut <marco at familie-rauhut.eu> > Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 18:37:57 +0200 > Hello, > > i trie to copy a binary file with 6kw length from my Linux PC to a TU56 > DECTape. The TU56 is connected via TD8E to the PDP-8. I work with 9k6. > Every time i try this, the transmission stops. > > What id on PDP-8: > > .R PIP > *DTA1:CHESS.BN<PTR:/B > ^ > > then on Linux i send plain Chess file. > > Do i need hardware flow controll on RS232? Any other helpfull hints? > > Marco > When we tried something similar on an 8/I, and it also failed. It worked OK after we connected the reader relay logic on the console to RTS/CTS on the PC and enabled flow control. You could make an image of the DECtape using SIMH and then use David Gesswein's resttd8e. One part of the program runs on the PDP-8, and one part runs on the PC. No hardware flow control is needed. ftp://ftp.pdp8online.com/software/dumprest -- Michael Thompson

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Disk for HP 9825B

by hp-fix＠xs4all.nl

I've a spare 98032A but without the right cable. If interested contact me off-list. -Rik -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: "Jason T" <silent700 at gmail.com> Verzonden: ?16-?8-?2014 01:23 Aan: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org> Onderwerp: Re: Disk for HP 9825B On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Tony Duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote: > IIRC the 98217 is for the 9885 drive only, whcih is conencted by the > 98032 parallel interface. As an aside, the communcations protocol for the > 9885 is not docuemtned in any maula that I've seen, I think it's possible > to deduce it from the publised routines in the HP9000/200 Pascal > technical manuals, but... Well this is slightly embarassing....I knew I had some sort of non-HPIB HP floppy drive downstairs. I just went to search for it and...it's a 9885. So, in theory, if I got the parallel interface (a few for $50 on ebay now) and the 98217, I'd have a complete system. That is, if the drive works and I found the (also rare) formatter tape. It would see it would be better to hold out for the HPIB-enabled 98228 ROM, or as Glen says above, maybe someone will clone it. Fortunately this is only a hobby and there are plenty of other projects to attack. This one can wait :) -j

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P112 kits available

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

I have 85 P112 boards pre-populated with surface-mount parts, but no parts bags. If I can pre-sell just seven kits, I can order enough bags to make forty kits. Eight more than that should be enough to fully fund this project for the rest of the boards I have on hand. This will probably be the last time I do a run of P112 kits, so get them while they last. P112 kits may be purchased from http://661.org/p112 by using the handy and secure Paypal purchase button. If you'd rather not use Paypal, email me at dave at 661.org and we'll work something out. Price is $190 for inside the US and $210 for outside the US. As before, Terry Gulczynski is available for assembly services and expansion boards. His page is linked >from mine. Kits should ship approximately two weeks after ordering to account for the fact I need to order the parts bags. -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu

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Disk for HP 9825B

by silent700＠gmail.com

I have a lovely HP 9825B desktop "calc-puter," the "T" version which includes a number of ROMs that would have come on a cartridge in the earlier models. There are a number of ROM carts and interfaces on ebay for the 9825s, among them the "98217A Flexible Disk Drive" module and the 98034A HPIB interface. My question is: is the latter interface, along with the General and Extended I/O ROMs already built into the 9825B, sufficient to talk to HPIB floppy drives? Or do I need the 98217A, or some other ROM, to add the disk routines to HPL? The 98217A says it's specifically for the 9885M 8" disk drive. I don't know if it has other applications or not. I don't have a 9885M or the interface module that would be required. Thanks for any clues... -j

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Where to Get "Professional" Packing Done for Shipping a Vintage Computer?

by bobvines00＠gmail.com

Where do you guys & ladies recommend taking a minicomputer to be professionally packed for shipping? I have a Data General Eclipse S/130 that I need to ship about half way across the US, but I need to get it professionally packed to avoid shipping damage. I plan on shipping the front panel, the boards, and the chassis (with PSU in it) as separate packages. I'd like to find a place that can use the "foam in place" around the wrapped components in the inner box and/or around the inner box. There is no terminal/monitor. How do you recommend packing the minicomputer to minimize the chances of any damage during shipping? The computer is free, so all funds can go towards the professional packaging and shipping. Who do you recommend? If it matters, I'm in north central Florida. Thanks, Bob

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Gravis for mac - that dammed programmable box

by alexandre.tabajara＠gmail.com

Dear friends In my never ending quest for a joystick for my Apple computers, I got a Gravis joystick with a strange din connector on it. Now I know I need some "gravis programmable box sbrubbles sbrubbles something" to connect it to, and so to the computer Does anyone has any refferences about it? I can clone the box if I have at least the pinout of that connector. And of course, I'm open to offers of the original box Thanks, Alexandre (still dreaming with an original apple joystick, and an ANKO one) :oP

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Where to Get "Professional" Packing Done for Shipping a Vintage Computer?

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Bob, I had good luck with a Forward Air pallet last year. At Lowe?s, I bought cheap nylon straps with tensioner buckles and some bubble-wrap, and some stretch wrap. I brought a couple of old cardboard boxes to cut up into pieces to pad any contacting parts. I put all of the equipment on a pallet at the Forward Air depot (they were kind enough to let me work off in a corner for an hour or two). Here?s the process: 1) put straps under pallet (actually through, being sure to include the structural beams of the pallet) 2) pile big gear on pallet, in a vaguely pyramidal shape - cardboard ?padding? where they will be pulled together by straps or rest on one another 3) bubble-wrap small pieces and stretch-wrap them to big pieces 4) connect straps over top, more cardboard padding where each strap turns a corner 5) tighten straps until they are about middle ?A" when plucked 6) run laps with the stretch-wrap until the pile is coccooned to be certain no cables, etc. stick out or fall off. Ethan was the recipient, he should chime in for how well it survived. It looked OK when it left. *Some* day soon I need to do this again?. sigh. - Mark On Aug 15, 2014, at 3:27 AM, Bob wrote: > Where do you guys & ladies recommend taking a minicomputer to be > professionally packed for shipping? I have a Data General Eclipse > S/130 that I need to ship about half way across the US, but I need to > get it professionally packed to avoid shipping damage. I plan on > shipping the front panel, the boards, and the chassis (with PSU in it) > as separate packages. I'd like to find a place that can use the "foam > in place" around the wrapped components in the inner box and/or around > the inner box. There is no terminal/monitor. > > How do you recommend packing the minicomputer to minimize the chances > of any damage during shipping? The computer is free, so all funds can > go towards the professional packaging and shipping. Who do you > recommend? If it matters, I'm in north central Florida. > > > Thanks, > > Bob

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Looking for 11/05 front-panel microswitch

by derschjo＠gmail.com

A PDP-11/05 in need of some help arrived on my doorstep yesterday. Amongst its other problems (*) the power/panel lock microswitch has been broken beyond all repair and it's kind of an oddball thing -- anyone happen to have one going spare (or know what the equivalent might be?). Someone did a rather ugly kluge to work around it (it's just hotwired in an always-ON configuration with a really ugly jumper wire), and I'd like to get it operating normally again. It's marked as DEC P/N 12-10982 (REV. B). Thanks in advance, Josh (*) It's been dropped (or had something dropped on it), the frame is bent as a result, which I've mostly undone. The power supply tests out good (a small amount of ripple but within tolerances if the service manual is to be trusted) and it shows signs of life (Load Addr works about 50% of the time), however it's not doing much. The M7261 board has "BAD?" penciled in so someone else's been over this machine before. I sense a lot of debugging in my future.

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Commodore (Philips) 1084 Color Monitor shop notes

by drlegendre＠gmail.com

My best Commodore monitor, the 1084, went belly-up on me today. It's been showing sings of trouble for quite a while, but this time it finally failed over. Nothing worse than an intermittent.. Symptom was a little non-intuitive. The video would go out, randomly, and all at once - like flipping a light switch. But when it would return, it returned more slowly - it faded in, as if the CRT heater were warming-up. Now, if the heater were losing power, why wouldn't it fade +out+ as well? But I checked, and the heater was definitely off - no glow, no voltage at the heater pins 9 & 10. Anyway, it turns out that this is one of those sets that draws its heater supply from a second winding on the HV flyback transformer. After some inspection of the board, I found that one of the flyback's soldered mounting pins had cracked at the joint, causing an intermittent connection. This was the cause of both symptoms - a quick cut-out of the video when the HV disappeared, and the slower fade-in as the connection re-made and the heater warmup lagged the HV rise.

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Looking for 11/05 front-panel microswitch

by cube1＠charter.net

Try cvrmach at gmail.com. He has some 11/05 stuff he is likely willing to sell at reasonable prices. I did some diagnostic work on some 11/05 boards a couple of years ago. Suggest you refer to my name (Jay) in your message. Runs a machine shop - not a collector. Name is Clarance Raalte (not sure of spelling - on tablet right now) Josh Dersch <derschjo at gmail.com> wrote: >A PDP-11/05 in need of some help arrived on my doorstep yesterday. >Amongst its other problems (*) the power/panel lock microswitch has been >broken beyond all repair and it's kind of an oddball thing -- anyone >happen to have one going spare (or know what the equivalent might be?). >Someone did a rather ugly kluge to work around it (it's just hotwired in >an always-ON configuration with a really ugly jumper wire), and I'd like >to get it operating normally again. > >It's marked as DEC P/N 12-10982 (REV. B). > >Thanks in advance, >Josh > >(*) It's been dropped (or had something dropped on it), the frame is >bent as a result, which I've mostly undone. The power supply tests out >good (a small amount of ripple but within tolerances if the service >manual is to be trusted) and it shows signs of life (Load Addr works >about 50% of the time), however it's not doing much. The M7261 board >has "BAD?" penciled in so someone else's been over this machine before. >I sense a lot of debugging in my future.

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One of my Sun 5c has unusual keys...

by sales＠elecplus.com

Pics are here: https://plus.google.com/photos/106111250846948401252/albums/6047430172859922 513?banner=pwa Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 830-792-3400 phone 830-792-3404 fax sales at elecplus.com AOL IM elcpls

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Stardent 19" workstation monitor

by vcf＠siconic.com

I have a monitor for a Stardent workstation. It's a re-badge Sony, model number 130-0001-01. Free for pickup, or 1.2 * cost of shipping to recoup time and trouble if you want it shipped. Please respond soon if you are interested as it will be going off for scrap in a week if there are no takers. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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Sun pizza boxes

by sales＠elecplus.com

The small Sun boxes in the picasa web pic are as follows: Sparc Station 2, qty 1 Sparc Station 5, qty 3 Sparc Station 10, qty 1 All have floppy drives, except one of the SS5s. All worked several years ago, but they get no video now. My Sun dealers tell me it is because the video battery went out, and needs to be replaced. Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 830-792-3400 phone 830-792-3404 fax sales at elecplus.com AOL IM elcpls

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VT100 kbds, qty 4, somebody take them home?

by sales＠elecplus.com

They are each one different from the others. Pics are here : http://deskthority.net/vendors-f52/terminal-sun-dec-sgi-etc-t8577.html Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 830-792-3400 phone 830-792-3404 fax sales at elecplus.com AOL IM elcpls

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Available: IBM desktop "System/23 Datamaster"

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

What will someone give me for this beast? I have no room for it - it will be dismantled. Located in Orange County, CA 92656 Model 5322: Predates the "IBM PC" by 1 month Intel 8085 Weight 95 lbs Two built-in 8-inch floppy drives BASIC in ROM

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Sun keyboards and mice, somebody make offer?

by sales＠elecplus.com

Qty 1 540-1006-03, all metal, complete, looks rather old Qty 7 Type 4 Qty 4 Type 5 Qty 19 Type 5c Qty 6 Type 6 Mice Qty 3 Type 5 Qty 2 Compact 1 Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 830-792-3400 phone 830-792-3404 fax sales at elecplus.com AOL IM elcpls

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Available: IBM desktop "System/23 Datamaster"

by dm561＠torfree.net

----- Original Message ----- Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 09:48:08 -0700 From: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> >...I prefer the modern LED-indicated locks myself. Catches the eye more easily than a depressed key. I wonder if there are transparent-key keyboards where the background LED color changes with an active shift-lock. --Chuck -----Reply:----- Or those keyboards with the LED integrated into the key itself....

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Terminal emulator for TRS-80 Model 1?

by billdeg＠buzz1.com

> ... Terminal emulator for TRS-80 Model 1? I found two manuals, but I'd need to track down the actual software here, depends on what kind of Model 1 you're talking about, new or old (disk or cassette). A quick check revealed: Modem 80 (disk program requires 32K and disk) "Mostly BASIC - Interfacing / Scientific" which is a telephone dialer cassette program by Howard Berenbon. The Tandy modem must have come with something to dial the phone? I am sure I could find at least one or two more. It's on my short list to archive TRS 80 1 disks (III and 4 too) now that I have an imaging station and I have largely finished the 8" disks I have left. I have a lot more 5 1/4" software but it'd be worth the effort. Bug me if you want me to bump the comms utilities I have to the top of the list. Bill

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Paper Tape

by bpettitx＠comcast.net

When I needed some one inch paper tape, I watched Ebay. Found several boxes in just a week or two, reasonably priced. Was even able to get the yellow - lightly oiled and the heavier oiled black tape. Billy

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Universal Converter Box

by chrise＠pobox.com

I need one of these, http://xkcd.com/1406/ -- Chris Elmquist

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Way off topic..USPS

by useddec＠gmail.com

I have been buying my shipping supplies from U-LINE for years and have always been impressed with the service and pricing. When I can't get to the right size box I sometimes use free boxes from an area liquor store. I went to the post office last week to ship a few boxes to a list member and was told they could not ship any kind of booze box unless wrapped in a grocery bag or painted over. When I had my UPS account, or used fed-ex, they took them. They just worried about previous shipping info on the box. I tried another post office and the same thing happened. Has anyone else had this problem? Thanks, Paul

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HP 9000 series 300 firmware

by hp-fix＠xs4all.nl

Which versions do you need? I've some 300's -Rik -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: "Al Kossow" <aek at bitsavers.org> Verzonden: ?12-?8-?2014 18:15 Aan: "On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Onderwerp: HP 9000 series 300 firmware Has anyone dumped already dumped the boot proms from the various generations of 300 series CPU boards? I started going through my pile of boards, and I see that I probably have less than half of all of the versions that were made.

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HP 9000 series 300 firmware

by aek＠bitsavers.org

Has anyone dumped already dumped the boot proms from the various generations of 300 series CPU boards? I started going through my pile of boards, and I see that I probably have less than half of all of the versions that were made.

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AmigaMini Todd Goodman

by slandon110＠gmail.com

Todd doesnt understand that USPS does not consider floppy disks media mail anymore, There are 330lbs total of floppy disks, And 500lbs of documentation, he doesnt realize that it will cost hundreds of dollars for them to be shipped across the country, Yes he did pay for the disks and some shipping, but it wasnt enough to cover it. And i definitely am not going to pick up the tab to ship these things out of my house. Yes I want them gone, I have 330lbs of them sitting here. So if he wants to come get them when I am kid free, that is fine. As far as the eviction is concerned its none of anyone's concern but if Todd wanted to see the judgement all he would have had to do was ask. And I go to VCFMW every year, Its none of his concern about making hotel reservations, Im not the one paying for it, my gf is.

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Interesting cheap gadget: RS232 to TCP/IP convertor

by dm561＠torfree.net

----- Original Message ----- Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 17:19:52 -0700 From: "Ian S. King" <isking at uw.edu> > I looked up RS232-to-Bluetooth and there are devices, but there a LOT more expensive. I'll just keep schlepping cables around the room, I guess, at least for now. -- Ian ----- Reply: ----- The bare TTL RS232<>BT devices start at < $5.00 e.g. eBay 200924726178 True RS-232 < $15: e.g. 400706121660 I've used both with no issues. For RS-232<>Ethernet I prefer a used Lantronix UDS-10 or equivalent; more professional configuration options/software than the current Chinese stuff. You used to be able to pick them up for around $20 if you kept your eyes open. e.g.: 131252594914 271574124592 Or maybe: 191248187972 No problem putting pretty well anything with a serial port up on the Internet; the Lantronix devices are pretty flexible but not all other devices handle handshaking properly and buffer overflow can be a problem. I've logged into a CP/M system in Australia with a Tandy M100 laptop in Toronto ;-) And then there are the RS232<>WiFi adapters... m

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Answers to questions abt the warehouse closeout

by sales＠elecplus.com

Shipping, yes to Canada and EU, will think about other areas, depends on restrictions. The Lisa, the IBM 3278 terminal, and the room full of Apple equip (with the orange shag carpet) are GONE! My MANY thanks to all of you for your well wishes for my husband. Right now he can not walk a block, or lift a gallon, but he keeps trying. Heart failure is a hard thing to watch! Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 830-792-3400 phone 830-792-3404 fax sales at elecplus.com AOL IM elcpls

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cctalk Digest, Vol 132, Issue 23

by isking＠uw.edu

On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 4:13 PM, <cctalk-request at classiccmp.org> wrote: > Send cctalk mailing list submissions to > cctalk at classiccmp.org > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 12:58:37 -0500 > From: "Electronics Plus" <sales at elecplus.com> > To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: warehouse closing > Message-ID: <01a001cfb58d$e029b680$a07d2380$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I am closing my warehouse by the end of this month. My husband's health is > rapidly failing, and I want to spend what time he has left with him, not > with a bunch of old computers and parts! > > Cindy, I'm very sorry to hear of your family situation, and wish you the best. I think you're making the right choice, the only choice one can make as a human being. Thank you for all you've done for vintage computer preservation. -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS Ph.D. Candidate The Information School University of Washington Madness takes its toll - please have exact change.

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cctalk Digest, Vol 132, Issue 23

by isking＠uw.edu

On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 4:13 PM, <cctalk-request at classiccmp.org> wrote: > Send cctalk mailing list submissions to > cctalk at classiccmp.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] > On Behalf Of David Brownlee > Sent: August-11-14 9:36 AM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Interesting cheap gadget: RS232 to TCP/IP convertor > > On 11 August 2014 16:05, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote: > > > On 8/11/14 7:33 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > > > >> Yes really. ?11, about $15 or so. > >> > >> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251594530679 > >> > >> http://www.tcp232.net/tcp-ip-to-serial-module > > > > Mmmm.. if I still had some scattered boxes with a need for serial console > http://www.tcp232.net/tcp-ip-to-serial-module/USR-RS232-to-ethernet-module.… > might be interesting... > > Now I'm just as likely to pick a (non godawful) USB/serial dongle and plug > into the back of a random nearby not-quite-so-legacy box :) > You know, this originally looked like a dream come true? until I realized that I'm either draping a CAT-5 cable across the room, or a serial cable. I have some 50' MMJ serial cables, and the adapter ends to plug them into things. True, I already have an Ethernet infrastructure in the room, but I can also hook up a terminal server where I have some machines that need it. I can't think of any scenarios where I want to be further than 50' from one of the machines, but for one - and my 11/73 and VAXen have Ethernet. I looked up RS232-to-Bluetooth and there are devices, but there a LOT more expensive. I'll just keep schlepping cables around the room, I guess, at least for now. -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS Ph.D. Candidate The Information School University of Washington Madness takes its toll - please have exact change.

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Vtserver, pdp11/34, and saving images

by ak6dn＠mindspring.com

-----Original Message----- >From: Dennis Boone <drb at msu.edu> >Sent: Aug 8, 2014 7:27 AM >To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> >Subject: Re: Vtserver, pdp11/34, and saving images > > > At 9600b (max standard rate of a DL11-W) it is not fast. However, a > > DL11-W can be modded to support 115.2Kb fairly easily (new UART, remove > > one chip in baud divider and replace with a wire, and a new crystal > > oscillator). I have done this for my 11/34 and I can now boot XXDP in > > about 15 seconds (vs 3 min at 9600b). > >Don, > >I'm curious about the details here. Can the /34 actually keep up doing >PIO at this rate? Or are you using DMA somehow? Is this vtserver or >one of the TU58 things or something else? 115.2k isn't one of the >results of the retrocmp.com mod; is yours described anywhere? I am using a standard DL11-W for the TU-58 serial interface, but modified it to support a 115.2kb data rate. This means that for each incoming character the 11/34 has about 90usec or so to process it. More than enough time to read it from the DL11-W, store it in memory, manipulate some counters, etc. The XXDP TU58 driver can handle this, as it is not interrupt driven, it is polled. I haven't tried the RT-11 TU-58 driver at this rate, but it may have issues as I believe it is interrupt driven. It would be an interesting experiment. On the host side I am using my TU58EM program on a PC. It can easily handle the 115.2kb serial data rate. This is a standard 11/34A with MS11-L MOS memory array, no cache option. I have been using this configuration for a few weeks now and have seen no issues at all in loading and running XXDP diagnostics from this emulated TU58 device. My mod is not specifically described, but there is at least one web page out there that describes modding the DL11-W for higher baud rates. That page described the crystal and divider changes, but did not go as far as changing the UART to a newer version capable of 115.2Kb. Don

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DEC dot matrix printers

by sales＠elecplus.com

Awhile back there was a lot of discussion abt DEC LA75, LA310, etc. I do have some DEC dot matrix printers here, if they are still wanted, I will get a list together. Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 830-792-3400 phone 830-792-3404 fax sales at elecplus.com AOL IM elcpls

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cctech Digest, Vol 132, Issue 19

by mtapley＠swri.edu

On Aug 10, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Fred wrote: > That is actually exactly what I need right now. > I just had prostatectomy, and can't walk or drive. So this is the > level of entertainment that makes it possible to get through the day. For once, the ?Grumpy Ol?? is perfectly warranted. Get well soon! I rejoice whenever I see your tag on a message - I know something good is coming. I hope to read a *lot* more of them. - Mark

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