I recently aquired a stack of c64's, these are the old brown type. Of (4),
One works fine, 1 boots, and can run catridges, initializes the floppy on
boot, but can never access it after boot, the other two have power but no
video. Any ideas on these folks?
Just did a couple minor updates to the web page, added scans of pics
of the Educator 64 and SuperPET (with the case opened so you can see
what makes em tick), some commodore calculators, and a scan of the cover
of Popular Science from Oct. 1977 which I believe is of one of the
prototype PETs (non-steel, rounded casing).
Oh, added a link to the Vintage computer faire too. ;)
Larry Anderson
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HI,
I have an IMSAI IMP48, it's a single board computer made around late 77-78
using an 8048/8035 micro controller chip. The board is operational but I
lack DOCs.
Any DOCs on this would be helpful as it has relay and opto isolated I/O
for control use. It also does audio cassette IO as well. I've used it for
simple tasks but more detailed info would allow me to copy it and use the
copy for the task and preserve the board.
Allison
There here the twin cities and no I have not seen a MAC portable there yet.
As for the Model 100's 6 of them went for 80 cent each about four weeks ago
and they had doc's, software and other items with them, I walked in 10
minutes too late. I'll keep my eyes open for you.
At 04:07 PM 9/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
>>20 of them just got trashed, but if you want a couple I'll be stopping in
>>the shop later this week and if they have a new batch in I will pick you up
>>a couple. We can settle up after I get them. They also have alot of SE's,
>>512's, and sometimes the 128's. There is also a thrift store here that
>>sells all computers for 80 cents including taxes. Everyone has started going
>>here and it's getting harder to catch any good machines there. If anyone
>>reading this is looking for HP stuff let me know as I passed on a complete
>>HP3000 for $10.
>
>Out of curiousity, where is this place? (That's the problem with a global
>network, one man's "down the road" is another's "across the continent".)
>
>If you ever see a Mac portable (yes, the big one) or a TRS-80 Model 100 at
>one of these places at a comparable price, then please grab one for me.
>
><<<john>>>
>
>
>
>
I may be able to get the drive mounts for you at the cost of shipping. I
will check with Ken next week and see if the parts box was shipped off to be
trashed yet.
At 05:28 PM 9/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
>>If you need the Sun monitor let me know as a load of them mono and color
>>were trashed a week ago. Several places here are dumoing them along with
>>3/50's, 3/60's and 3/80's.
>>I picked up a few for my collection but have no software are HD for any of
>>them. I picked a Sun HD unit for 5.00 but got home to find the HD was gone
>>from inside. Keep computing.
>
>I'd take you up on it, but I suspect that shipping an 19" Sun monitor from
>MN to NJ would be hideously cost ineffective. I might be up for another 3/80
>CPU, though. What I really need to find is one or two of the drive mounts for
>the 3/80.
>
>At work, they're waiting on the word from the government regarding some
>older PCs and Suns which were GFE for a previous contract. The hope is that
>they may just "abandon in place". If so, I may be able to find a monitor
>or possibly even an early Sparc 1.
>
>Keeping my fingers crossed... <<<John>>>
>
>
>
>
Thanks for the info !!
At 05:18 PM 9/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
>>Heatkit HTX-10 ni power supply was with it. anyone have info on this puppy?
>
>If that's the one I think it is, it was desgined as a cheap dial-up terminal.
>Everhting is in the KB, except for powersupply and composite monitor. I think
>it also had a built-in 300 (1200?) baud modem.
>
><<<John>>>
>
>
>
>
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Heatkit HTX-10 ni power supply was with it. anyone have info on this puppy?
Pet 2001-8 series with manuals, have tested this one yet.
HP 86 with ROM Drawer, 128k module, and 64k module.
VIC music composer and Forth cartridges.
Back to work now, keep computing
If you need the Sun monitor let me know as a load of them mono and color
were trashed a week ago. Several places here are dumoing them along with
3/50's, 3/60's and 3/80's.
I picked up a few for my collection but have no software are HD for any of
them. I picked a Sun HD unit for 5.00 but got home to find the HD was gone
>from inside. Keep computing.
At 04:22 PM 9/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>> Although I wonder if anyone out there is actually going to
>>finish the Sun3x Linux port - it looks like the NetBSD Sun3x movement
>>is dead in the water.
>
>Damn, I hope it's not dead. I just picked up a 3/80 (8mb, diskless) and a
>type 4 keyboard/mouse. (No monitor, but I have an old Hitachi that I hope
>may be
>compatible.)
>
>Anyway, as soon as I straighten out and "Invalid IDPROM" message, I was
>hoping to put up either SunOS or NetBSD.
>
>BTW, anyone have a suggestion as to which is better?
>
><<<John>>>
>
>
>
>
Heatkit HTX-10 ni power supply was with it. anyone have info on this puppy?
Pet 2001-8 series with manuals, have tested this one yet.
HP 86 with ROM Drawer, 128k module, and 64k module.
VIC music composer and Forth cartridges.
Back to work now, keep computing
At 06:36 PM 06/09/97 +0000, you wrote:
>stared, look, no cdrom. And I was told by her that her husband
>brought new system for her daughter at cool price of 8000 cdn and I
>wondered about that price because her daughter needs a pc for her law
>study at college, The typical use is WP use in that kind of area
>even a $500-1000 base pentium system would fit very well for that!
>Again with $8000, Easy to get 3 VERY decent P5 166/64mb/2.5GB/new
>complete systems with truck loads of legal software for each
>pc and a good laser printer or two to go with either two of them.
Sounds like a candidate for the "Most Inappropriate use of Computer
Hardware Award" to me. A WP, you could stick WP5.1 on an 8088 if it comes to
that.
Sounds like a member of the administration (who will remain nameless to
protect the moronic) at the university I waste money in. Just after
purchasing a spanking new Pentium 166 with 64mb and all the goodies,
including an ATI All in Wonder card (on our nickel I might add!), he asked
his secretary to scare up a new template for WP5.1, For this is all he used
it for! (where's my wailin' stick when I need it :)
>as well. I want none of that ideas that Mr. Gates and funny PnP,
>winmodems that came out. I do not understand this.
I stay away from anything that uses "win" as a prefix. What, no jumpers?
Basically if Win95 can't get it to work on whatever IRQ or port that the
device wants, your screwed.
>This win95 (blows) leads to other options which I am looking at
>linux. Linux is very promising and I am learning to use it, trying
>to upgrade my old 2 4+ yr old 386 portables first also currently
>learning on my other pentium 75 o/c'ed to 100 lunchbox. Then install
>it on main pc when I feel more confident to put it to real use. :)
Looking for a UNIX like OS for you 386? Why don't you get MINIX? A lot
less overhead and pretty easy to set up. (not much out for it yet, put the
list grows everyday) You could even get a version of Xwindows for it, and
MINIX will run on an XT! (two versions, i86 and 386)
Speaking of UNIX-like OS's, anybody remember Sundown drives which came
loaded with Venix86? I believe a company called Unisource sold them. I
wonder if there may be a 'virgin' drive somewhere just waiting to be used... ;)
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20 of them just got trashed, but if you want a couple I'll be stopping in
the shop later this week and if they have a new batch in I will pick you up
a couple. We can settle up after I get them. They also have alot of SE's,
512's, and sometimes the 128's. There is also a thrift store here that
sells all computers for 80 cents including taxes. Everyone has started going
here and it's getting harder to catch any good machines there. If anyone
reading this is looking for HP stuff let me know as I passed on a complete
HP3000 for $10.
At 04:45 AM 9/7/97 -0200, you wrote:
>At 05:53 PM 06/09/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>I can get MAC Plus's for $5.35 including tax. I've have 3 or 4 already so I
>>just walk by them now.
>
> $5.35 taxes in?!? Where? I live in a MAC deprived world. I would be very
>interested in getting a few MAC plus's to add to my collection (i would be
>interested in getting anything to add to my collection) Please let me know
>where I could get some of these MACs
>
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$300!? I know its not april fool's day. I must have got a deal of the century
when I got a mac ][cx and 3.5 drive for $25...
david
In a message dated 97-09-06 14:26:50 EDT, you write:
<< A friend (yes, Virginia, I do have a friend) has a Mac plus for sale. 80
MB
HDD (I think)...software includes Claris Works and some other stuff. He
wants $300 US, but will probably be willing to negotiate.
manney(a)nwohio.com >>
Hi,
My find of the day was a "Northstar Advantage" and as per my normal luck
with CP/M systems no OS. Still it seems to power on OK.
I've got a few questions on it. First and formost would be where can I get
an OS (would the Osbourne version of CP/M boot it)? Is there a "Monitor
ROM" that I can drop the machine into? I see from the list of computers on
the mailing lists web site, it's got a Z80 and a i80186 processors in it,
OK that's nice, what does that mean to me? Also are there any good info
resources for the "Northstar Advantage"?
The one I've got has a 1" x 6" strip of metal with two threaded posts near
the top sticking out (great for messing up arms), it's been stuck to the
side of the case with that thin sticky foam, is this stock, or an add on?
Any ideas what on earth it's for? I'm thinking a copy stand.
Pardon my probable stupidity when it comes to CP/M systems, I think I'm up
to four of them now, but only the Osbourne has disks and it won't boot, I
think it's got a bad A: drive, because the disks boot a friends Osbourne.
Thanks,
Zane
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Hey everybody!
Well just got back from a vacation in the (California) bay area...
(Petaluma/Santa Rosa area to be more exact) and had a pretty
dissapointing time in my rummaging for goodies at thrift shops... Of
what I saw that took my notice were a Commodore 1902a monitor ($49, no
thanks..) and an un-priced 800 XL keyboard unit. I balked at how much
one place wanted to sell TRON figures ($15-$25 yikes!); I did get a
certain Pac-Man lunch pail I had my eye on for a few years...
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Of course as it normally seems to go for me, my local stops prove more
fruitfull. Some of the recent finds include a long sought-after October
1977 issue of Popular Science magazine (I remember seeing it on the
newsstands) which displays what seems to be a prototype PET on the cover
(w/rounded plastic case, only seen in promotional literature as far as
I've seen, PS seems to have added wood-grain contact paper for an
enhanced 'homey' look). Have scanned it and hope to put it on the site
within the upcoming month or so. Also picked up the March '79 and May
'83 issues as they had some cool pics of other early computers and home
robots in them.
Another very unexpected magazine find was four issues of ANTIC
magazine (thier focus is Atari 8-bits), a couple notable articles were
on building a lie-dectector and rigging your dot-matrix printer into an
image scanner, both utilize the paddle port pins and other easy to get
components and also sould be adaptable to the Commodore 64/VIC-20/128.
:)
Also bought a Fast Load Cartridge and C-64 Dust Cover (with a Protecto
logo, remember them?) for a couple bucks. Stuff passed by were a few 64
units (overpriced if you ask me), a couple Plus/4s (one unbeleivably
overpriced), and a PET (3.0 ROMs, 32k, w/book) that one was very
tempting, but I know how little space I have after my last trip to the
storage unit... Also passed a low-profile datasette (I have 30+
datasettes already but can you ever have enough cassette program
recorders?)
Saw a pretty complete ADAM system too: cpu (one tape drive), printer,
controllers, carts, tapes, books (including a misplaced PET book), a
couple extra ribbons all for $130 (choke!) though on Staturdays and
Wednesdays they sell stuff for 1/2 price (still way too much to me....)
Mac 512 (with doumentation), Mac SE, Tandy Model 100, etc.. I could
go very broke quick If I started collecting everything, good thing I
have control (ok... limited control, which is better then none at all.)
One of these vacations I'll get corrdinated enough with one of my
friends and spend a couple days in the Palo Alto/Silicon Valley area
combing thrift shops, I think I might find some suprises there...
Larry Anderson
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At 05:53 PM 06/09/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I can get MAC Plus's for $5.35 including tax. I've have 3 or 4 already so I
>just walk by them now.
$5.35 taxes in?!? Where? I live in a MAC deprived world. I would be very
interested in getting a few MAC plus's to add to my collection (i would be
interested in getting anything to add to my collection) Please let me know
where I could get some of these MACs
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On Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 allisonp(a)world.std.com (Allison J Parent) wrote:
<Well, I got the RD52 external HD on my MicroVAX-I working tonight. I swapp
<the blown power supply with a new surplus one. Had to redrill the case, but
>>A microvax-1? Really? Are you sure of that?
Isn't a VAXstation-I considered a MicroVAX-I? One of the FAQs that I read
made this reference, and it's a lot faster to type "uVAX" then "VAXstation"
<g>
>>Most of them couldn't support enough memory to run netbsd or ultrix.
>>Generally in their day it was 2mb, sometimes 3mb. The reason was the >>CPU
was two boards and memory at the time was either 512k or 1mb per >>board and
there was only 8 slots in a ba23. so the typical line up was cpu, >>4 memory
cards, an rqdx2 disk and a DHV or DZV serial card. the problem >>was that
would put the power supply 20% over the top!
This makes some sense. One of the first things that I had to fix was a melted
power supply cable between the power supply (375w) and the backplane. Here is
what I can see as the configuration: 4mb RAM, one DHV serial card, DEQNA
Ethernet, a M9047 board (??), M7512 buss extender, an RQDX1, MSV11-Q memory,
and 2 processor boards. I know that the MSV11 is only a 1mb board, but the
bootloader reports about 3.5mb of RAM. The model tag on the back lists
"610QK-XZ changed to VS20C-R2". It also has 2 internal floppy drives and one
internal RD52 hard drive.
<1. Since I don't know what is on the drive in the first place, how
< do I avoid a permanent destruction of the file system yet still
< correcting the problem?
>>Well you have to know whats on the drive first. I've never seen a MV-1
>>running ultrix though it may be possible.
<
<2. If <1> is not possible, how do I go about fixing the problem. I
< could not find a program named "fdisk", so either it had been
< deleted from the root partition, or it's under another name.
>>If it's ultrix then most unix conventions apply.
>>If you booted in single user mode you do not have full access to the
>>system.
Would I accomplish this by logging-in to the system? Unfortunately, I don't
have the root password. How can I get around this?
<3. The only way that I could get the drive to respond is to put
< the cable in the middle connector (J2). The drive did not
< respond at all in J1 or J3. There must be jumpers somewhere
< that govern this, like on the buss extender card, but I have
< no jumper map.
>>???? is this a ba23 or ba123? In a ba23 the rd52 disk is connected via
>>two cables to bulkhead J7 and J2. if its a ba123 with M9058 distribution
>>board then it's rd0(bottom most connector pair).
The "J2" refers to the J2 on the external RD52 drive case. The buss extender
is brought out to a DB50 to position "F" on the bulkhead. On the RD52 case,
there are three DB50 connectors, J1 to J3. The drive only responds when using
J2. Is this OK? How is this changed?
<4. {unrelated} Every time I restart the uVAX, it complains about
< the time needing to be reset. Do the uVAXen have internal
< clock batteries that have to be recharged/replaced?
<< TIA for any help!
>>Yes on the back of the console connector there is a battery pack of three
>>aaa sized nicads. pull them and charge them by hand. if they don't charge
>>you can find similar packs in many dec systems (rainbow, any ba23 or >>ba123
or vs2000 box). Also you can use any three cell pack for cordless >>phones
that fit.
Are you referring to the console connector on the bulkhead? On this unit,
there is no battery pack. It only has two ribbon cables going to the processor
boards.
With this additional info, what do you recommend to do now? Thanks again for
the help!
Rich Cini/WUGNET
rcini(a)msn.com
Rich
Does anyone where there more knowledgeable than I happen to know what
today's "going rate" is for old 8" diskettes. BLANK, and unlabeled...
otherwise in mint-condition with jackets. I am looking at buying some and
am curious as to how much they are usually sold for these days.
Thanks in advance,
CORD
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I can get MAC Plus's for $5.35 including tax. I've have 3 or 4 already so I
just walk by them now.
At 03:04 PM 9/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
>A friend (yes, Virginia, I do have a friend) has a Mac plus for sale. 80 MB
>HDD (I think)...software includes Claris Works and some other stuff. He
>wants $300 US, but will probably be willing to negotiate.
>
>manney(a)nwohio.com
>
>
>
Hello, all:
Well, I got the RD52 external HD on my MicroVAX-I working tonight. I swapped
the blown power supply with a new surplus one. Had to redrill the case, but oh
well. I also figured out that the VAX external drive cable is the same as a
DB50 SCSI cable.
So, the VAX now recognizes that there is an external drive device at
/dev/rra1h but it complains that it has a bad superblock and a wrong magic
number. It also once complained of a hard error "sn16". Sounds to me that it
needs to be reformatted, or whatever the Ultrix equivalent of "fdisk /mbr" is
to rebuild the boot block.
Here are a few questions:
1. Since I don't know what is on the drive in the first place, how
do I avoid a permanent destruction of the file system yet still
correcting the problem?
2. If <1> is not possible, how do I go about fixing the problem. I
could not find a program named "fdisk", so either it had been
deleted from the root partition, or it's under another name.
3. The only way that I could get the drive to respond is to put
the cable in the middle connector (J2). The drive did not
respond at all in J1 or J3. There must be jumpers somewhere
that govern this, like on the buss extender card, but I have
no jumper map.
4. {unrelated} Every time I restart the uVAX, it complains about
the time needing to be reset. Do the uVAXen have internal
clock batteries that have to be recharged/replaced?
TIA for any help!
+============================================+
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| <rcini(a)msn.com> |
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| collector of classic computers |
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<> Despite their possible historical significance, I've never been able
<> to justify keeping a Microvax I around. The 11/730 - which for most
<
<I suppose it'd be a relatively UN-power-sucking way to enjoy or learn
<VAX assembly language.
Microvax-I uses more power than a microvax-II. The lowest power VAXen of
the lot may be the vs2000 or the 3100m38s as they are in the PC power use
range and performance is good(maybe the best!) on a per watt basis.
The microvax-I was historically significant as the first q-bus vax and
smallest of the lot with the shortest production lifetime. Performance
wise it was the bottom of the barrel. Most uVAX-Is were upgraded to
uVAX-IIs (about 3x faster!) shortly after introduction. The uVAX-II
offered 1meg of ram on card, FPU and a faster memory interface(PMI)
along with denser 1mb, 2mb, and 4mb (and later 8/16mb) cards. This made
a 5mb microvax-II possible in two cards instead of 7 using uVAX-I! Typical
uVAX-IIs were 5 or 9mb with DEQNA, DHV11 and varying disk systems including
the RA60, RA80 and RA81. This forced the phaseout of the 730 in favor of a
smaller, lower cost, slightly better performing system with lower power
needs.
Allison
A friend (yes, Virginia, I do have a friend) has a Mac plus for sale. 80 MB
HDD (I think)...software includes Claris Works and some other stuff. He
wants $300 US, but will probably be willing to negotiate.
manney(a)nwohio.com
<Well, I got the RD52 external HD on my MicroVAX-I working tonight. I swapp
<the blown power supply with a new surplus one. Had to redrill the case, but
A microvax-1? Really? Are you sure of that?
Most of them couldn't support enough memory to run netbsd or ultrix.
Generally in their day it was 2mb, sometimes 3mb. The reason was the CPU
was two boards and memory at the time was either 512k or 1mb per board and
there was only 8 slots in a ba23. so the typical line up was cpu, 4 memory
cards, an rqdx2 disk and a DHV or DZV serial card. the problem was that
would put the power supply 20% over the top!
<1. Since I don't know what is on the drive in the first place, how
< do I avoid a permanent destruction of the file system yet still
< correcting the problem?
Well you have to know whats on the drive first. I've never seen a MV-1
running ultrix though it may be possible.
<
<2. If <1> is not possible, how do I go about fixing the problem. I
< could not find a program named "fdisk", so either it had been
< deleted from the root partition, or it's under another name.
If it's ultrix then most unix conventions apply.
If you booted in single user mode you do not have full access to the system.
<3. The only way that I could get the drive to respond is to put
< the cable in the middle connector (J2). The drive did not
< respond at all in J1 or J3. There must be jumpers somewhere
< that govern this, like on the buss extender card, but I have
< no jumper map.
???? is this a ba23 or ba123? In a ba23 the rd52 disk is connected via
two cables to bulkhead J7 and J2. if its a ba123 with M9058 distribution
board then it's rd0(bottom most connector pair).
A third possibility is a two box ba23 system using a RQDXE, though drive 0
is nominally in the main box and the rqdxe is only needed for 3 or more
drives (including the floppy).
<4. {unrelated} Every time I restart the uVAX, it complains about
< the time needing to be reset. Do the uVAXen have internal
< clock batteries that have to be recharged/replaced?
<< TIA for any help!
Yes on the back of the console connector there is a battery pack of three
aaa sized nicads. pull them and charge them by hand. if they don't charge
you can find similar packs in many dec systems (rainbow, any ba23 or ba123
or vs2000 box). Also you can use any three cell pack for cordless phones
that fit.
Allison
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Had a pretty good week picked up the following:
1. Pet 2001-8 with manuals (5.00)
2. Heath HTX-10 about the size of a C64, anyone have info on this one. Also
need the 9pin power supply for this unit (5.00)
3. TRS-80 pocket printer parts
4. Apple Color Plus non working (5.00)
5. HP86 with 82936A Rom Drawer cartridge, 82909A 128k Memory module, 82908A
64k Memory module (4.00)
6. VIC Music Composer (.80)
7. VIC Forth (.80)
8. A 1' X 2' box full of new and used parts (still have to get into it)
Well that's my finds for the week, have a big computer auction to attend on
Saturday.
Stopped at a new used-computer store and...
After talking and business cards he offeres me a tandy 1000(25-1051) with
docs, cables everything but a monitor and disks.
Get it home open it up and it's got:
20meg HDcard
Diamond trackstar (128k apple board uses appleDOS3.3)
1200baud modem
Docs and the tech manual for the t-1000.
not bad, eh!
I need to fire it up and see what's on the harddrive (hope its the
trackstart files).
Allison
Paul Pierce <prp(a)hf.intel.com> wrote:
> The A-series computers are stack machines. Its a very interesting
> architecture. At the time of the B5000 series it was considered ahead of
> its time, but now that architecture is essentially dead. The most recent
> new stack machine I know of is the original HP 3000 minicomputer from
> the late 70's early 80's.
The "classic" HP 3000 is identified by its series. Numbers <= 70, no
designation at all, and the letters "CX" alone mean it's the classic
stack machine. Numbers >= 900 mean it's a PA-RISC 3000.
The first HP 3000s were shipped in November 1972, and were pretty much
a disaster -- HP ended up recalling them. But they kept plugging at
it and turned it into what I think is one of the finest
transaction-processing systems available. I'm not sure when the last
classics were introduced, but I think HP continued to sell some of the
low-end ones (Micro 3000 GX/LX/RX) into the early 1990s, certainly
into the late 1980s. The last of them go out of support life over the
next year or so, though.
HP 9000 series 500 (520, 540, 550, was there a 530?) are 32-bit stack
machines inside, with the potential for multiple CPUs and IOPs on the
larger systems. I think HP now has something called a T500 that is
PA-RISC based; the old series 500s are pretty much forgotten (but not
all gone, I have a 520 in storage that I need to reanimate). HP sold
these from the early-to-mid 1980s before they were superseded by fast
Motorola 680[23]0s and PA-RISC systems (series 300/400 and 800/700).
-Frank McConnell "I want my MPE" (w/apologies to Dire Straits)
<fmc(a)reanimators.org>
Uhhhh...was it my deodorant?
=-)
Anthony Clifton - WireHead Prime
On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Faiaz, Michael C. HSD wrote:
> unsubscribe
>
> ----------
> From: Anthony Clifton
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: DEC Scrounging & SWTPC 6800 Update
> Date: Thursday, September 04, 1997 5:21PM
>
>
>
> (BTW, I'm going to leave this thread public because I think it might
> be of interest to collectors new to the PDP series and who might run
> across machines like this.)
>
> > > An 11/84 CPU alone apparently pulls 1100 watts
> >
> > A *fully-loaded* 10.5" 11/84 box will pull 1100 watts. A very much
> > reduced configuration - just a CPU, memory, and (non KDA50) disk
> controller
> > - will only draw 100 watts or so.
> >
> Well the backplane looked about half full roughly. So this is sounding
> a bit more hopeful. I have $10 a month to spend on this machine for
> electricity at about 8 cents per kilowatt hour so....
>
> > I believe the spec for the RA-80 spinup surge current is 40 Amps. While
> > running, it's probably about 7 amps.
> >
> I didn't have ALOT of time to look the machine over but I did look in
> the
> back of the cabinet containing the TU80 and the RA80 and saw a sticker
> that said "30 amps" which I ASSUMED referred to the RA80. I only ever
> owned RL and RK series drives when I was collecting PDPs in the early
> 90s...what are the size etc specs on the RA80? A friend of mine and I
> built an 11/34 system with 2 or 3 RK series drives and an older model
> DEC 9 track drive. So I'm not completely ignorant but I'm still getting
> used to the CURRENT state of the art in throwaway PDPs.
>
> > A TU80 doesn't take much; about 50 watts with power off, and less than
> > 200 watts with the blower and reels running.
> >
> Aha! This IS sounding alot more hopeful. Basically, if I could come up
> with a controller to drive modern SCSI drives or something a bit less
> power hungry, I could probably afford to run this guy at least all
> weekend
> every weekend or something like that. Hmmm...I wonder if there's any
> market for converting 9 track media to more modern forms? It'd only
> take $60.00 a month, with modern drives, to run the beastie 24 hours...
> perhaps less. =-)
>
> > (presumably) is in the 11/84 will also talk to RA7n's and RA9n's. With
> > a Emulex/CMD/Dilog ESDI or SCSI controller in the box, you can even hook
> > up perfectly modern 3.5" hard drives.
> >
> Hmmmm...what's strange is that they claim they upgraded the drive around
> two years ago. Upgrading TO an RA80 seems a bit strange in 1995. But
> the
> front of the drive said RA80 so....
>
> > > Now for my request, if anyone has schematics or technical drawings of
> this
> >
> > What do you specifically need? A print set for a complete configuration
> > is several hundred 11x17" sheets...
>
> Sheesh. I guess that's true...the print set for my old 34 was several
> 'books' of many pages a piece if I recall correctly. Ummm...if anyone
> has the print set for an 11/84 they'd like to go to a good home then
> let me know. =-) (If not, I'll probably run across one one of these
> days.)
>
> The machine DOES work apparently and the guy who operated it showed it
> to
> me today. He claims that it worked fine when they shut it down 2 years
> ago (yeah yeah I know) and it's just been sitting in the corner since
> then. He claims that if I plugged it in, which I didn't have an
> opportunity to do, it would come right up into RSX. We'll see after
> next week. One other obstacle is that it all has the funky twisty
> safety
> plugs on the AC cords but it's configured for 125 v etc so I'll replace
> the plugs, like I did on my 34, with high quality normal ones.
>
> Anthony Clifton - WireHead Prime
>
> Burroughs machines are rare, especially one this old. Burroughs had a
> policy of taking back their old machines in trade, which they would then
> destroy to avoid having used machines in competition with their new
> ones.
Rumor around here is that when it came time to get rid of the old Burroughs,
Burroughs sold a new machine to the university that bid on our old machine
for less than what they had bid on the old machine.
Everyone here assumed it was because Burroughs was pissed that we had
gone with big VAXen; but perhaps that was just the way Burroughs worked.
> The A-series computers are stack machines. Its a very interesting
> architecture. At the time of the B5000 series it was considered ahead of
> its time, but now that architecture is essentially dead. The most recent
> new stack machine I know of is the original HP 3000 minicomputer from
> the late 70's early 80's. It is inherently difficult to get a stack
> machine to run very fast, like today's superscalar microprocessors. But
> a stack architecture results in small code. The virtual machine for Java
> byte code is a stack architecture.
http://www.ptsc.com/ describes ShBoom, a stack machine designed by
Chuck Moore (aka the inventor of Forth). The theory behind ShBoom, and
his more recent stack machine, is that if you use a wide word (in this
case 32 bits) you can fetch a whole bunch of tiny instructions at once
then blaze through them. In the case of ShBoom, the core runs at 100Mhz
while the external bus runs slower. Since each opcode is a byte, he can
fetch four opcodes at once with the slower bus rate yet keep the fast
internal core fed.
Chuck Moore also has some newer designs. F21 and P21, for instance.
These are 21-bit machines with (IIRC) a 20-bit external bus. Each
opcode is five bits, so (again) he's fetching four instructions with
each external bus transaction.
There was a big argument on comp.arch recently about just how hard it
is to go superscalar on a stack machine. IIRC, a Unisys A series
engineer was heavily involved in that discussion. Perhaps interested
folks can dredge it up using http://www.dejanews.com/. I don't recall
whether there was a conclusion to the argument (is there ever a conclusion
on usenet?); a lot of the discussion was over my head.
Roger ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
Hi..
I 've a PDP-11 (19" rack) at home and it will not boot.
It seems as if the bus is blocked by the power..
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I have need of the following QBus modules:
1 ea. M7552 (Qbus RRD50 controller)
2 ea. M7546 (Qbus TK50 controller)
Anyone who has such that they're willing to get rid of, please drop me
an E-mail.
Commercial vendors, please note that I am a hobbyist and that I lack
the deep pockets (financially speaking) of companies that still run
MicroVAXen and MicroPDP. Please keep that in mind when making price
offerings.
Thanks to all in advance.
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> they are all inserted into a special carrier-like thingamabob that made it
> easy to insert/remove the ROM packages and has a .1 or .01 microFarad
> capacitor soldered betwen Vcc and ground on each chip... I guess that's why
> they're heavier than normal.
Would this happen to be the _same_ carrier that the Epson folks used for
ROMs in the PX-8? If so, you might be able to sell some to PX-8 folks
that want to make their own ROMs.
Roger "I just pushed a standard DIP in carefully and it fit" Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Huw Davies said:
>I'll admit to having it at home. I assume you're talking about the January
>1981 issue? I'll write a note to myself and bring it in tomorrow (yes,
>Saturday) and scan it in...
Kool. I meandered over to Motorola's website last nite, and tho they did
not have the datasheets for these chips on the Web, they were available
thru their faxback system... so I have the datasheets IMTLF (in my tight
little fists) right now. I'm leaving it up to you what I scan in... I'm
definately scanning in the pinout w/information, but do y'all want me to:
1) scan in the programming timing information?
2) scan in the fast programming algorithm?
3) scan in anything else?
Oh, and tho the chips have a "C" on them (as in MCM68764C) the datasheets
say they're N-channel MOS. Unmarked speed chips are 450ns access, but there
are some 350ns parts available as well.
Anyway, expect to see some info on this arrive over the weekend on my
website... as it looks like I may actually have 4 or 5 seconds this weekend
to work on it!
http://home.northernway.net/~zmerch/geezers.shtml
for my geezer computer page. (it's small, it's lame, but it's mine! ;-)
Toodles,
"Merch"
--
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Programmer, NorthernWay | information on their candy bar wrappers
zmerch(a)northernway.net | when there's no nutritional value within?
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Allison J Parent wrote:
> < I didn't hear from you before so can you let me know if there is going
> <be any need for HHC eproms? I am sitting on approx. 5000 of them which I ha
> <received a salvage offer of $1.25/lb for and I'm probably going to take,but
>
> At that price I'll consider a few pounds+ shipping. Di I contact him
> direct? Is he willing for say do a two pound package for say $5 +shipping?
> to multiple respondents or would he like to see 10 pound blocks? I'd be
> willing to do say 10# if I had others willing to pay say 10-15% over my cost
> for packing materials for smaller distributions. This intent is that I'd
> want to recoup my cost.
I should've posted his e-mail address for replies. Sorry.
He's at Mikeooo1(a)aol.com. Talk to him directly about working out a bulk
deal. I'm sure he'd be happy to work something out. I have no
involvment in the deal. Thanks!
Sam
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Adam,
The B6800 is a huge mainframe in mutiple large cabinets and requiring
air conditioning, false floor, etc.
Having said that, it is certainly an interesting machine but not
appropriate for a home collection, now if you had a warehouse.....
Regards
Hans B Pufal
Ok gang, a pile of stuff (somewhat recent, looks like a parts pile, but...)
near Ventura, California that is dumpster bound unless someone makes a grab...
Contact the person directly at the address below.
-jim
>From: "Richard J. Bodan" <RJB-CONSULTING(a)worldnet.att.net>
>Reply-To: RJB-CONSULTING(a)worldnet.att.net
>Subject: Re: Ton of stuff list
>
>Here is a brief list that just touches the tip of the iceberg.
>
>10 to 15 XT chassis and Mborads
>10 to 15 mono, CGA, EGA, VGA minitors
>various printers and excesseories
>none of this works!!
>Just looking for somebody to get it the hell out of here.
>Who do you think you know that might want it??
>
>RJ Bodan
>
>
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The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw
Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174
I too have a few TRS-80 machines, books on TRS-80, manuals, and software. I
will try and send you a list of extras. I may be able to get that Atari 800
for you.
At 10:03 AM 9/4/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Howdy folks:
>
>I am writing this to let you know... if you would like to be mailed a very
>complete listing of TRS-80 hardware and software, just e-mail me with your
>name and mailing address to coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu. This listing costists
>of 65 pages and will be sent via 1st Class mail ASAP. If you would like it
>even quicker, please send $3 to the address below to cover MOST of the
>shipping charges... you would then be 'prioritized'.
>
>I collect all types of TRS-80 hardware and software, and specialize in
>games in both original diska nd tape format, as well as converted for use
>with modern PC emulators. I have a HUGE collection and would like to share
>this with others. I like to think I have 'nearly' every commercially sold
>game (and hundreds of others) written for the TRS-80 line of computers. I
>also have most applications and DOSs ... all for the Model 1,3,4 as well
>as a limited supply of CoCo hardware and software. I also collect for many
>other classic systems, including but not limited to: MSX, Colour Genie,
>Apple ][, Apple ][e, Apple ][c, Apple ][+, Commodore 64, C-16, Vic 20,
>Plus 4, Atari series, Coleco, Sincalire Spectrum, P2000, and Vectrex
>systems.
>
>All I ask for most of the software is to be compensated for my expenses
>(postage, media, etc.) and have very low prices on most of my hardware as
>I have accumulated a large inventory over the years and need to clear my
>shelves.
>
>I am also looking for the following items in particular:
>
>1) YOUR classic hardware and/or software. I am always buying and trading
>for those item.
>
>2) 80-Micro, TRS-80 Microcomputing News, Computer News 80, and 80-US
>Journal magazines, etc.
>
>3) Original manuals, instruction, and game boxes concerning the TRS-80
>
>4) Atari 800 - Atari Artist cartridge. A800LX - RX8053.
>
>Just please remember, I am always buying, selling, and trading for these
>hard to find items... even for things not on the above list. If you're
>looking for something or have some things to offer... PLEASE let me know.
>I simply love the TRS-80 and other classic machines and would appreciate
>any help you may be able to provide in expanding my collection. I most
>gladly will help you out in adding to your own classic computer or game
>machine collection.
>
>Finally, I have ALL my original disk, tape, and cartridge software... for
>all systems, converted to run on their respective PC emulators!
>
>Send me your want lists, request for a catalog, or what you have to offer:
>via e-mail, United States Postal Service, or give me a call... I look
>forward to hearing from you.
>
>Best Wishes,
>
>CORD COSLOR
>
>//*=====================================================================++
>|| Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE ||
>|| (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 ||
>|| Classic computer software and hardware collector ||
>|| Autograph collector ||
>++=====================================================================*//
>
>
>
>
>
At 07:58 28-08-97 -0800, you wrote:
>> Tim or Allison, I could really use your help. Tim, I think something in
>> the mail system may be preventing my messages from reaching you.
>
>That might be. I see your messages here on classiccmp, at least...
<whew!> That, at least, is something... for a while, I thought I had
pestered you to death or some silly thing... ;-)
>OK, one last attempt with VMS EXCHANGE:
<snip>
Thank you! It all worked, and I now have the necessary files unZIPped onto
the MicroVAX.
Now the next hurdle; Ever since I installed OpenVMS 6.2, my second TK50
has disappeared. The device scan, at initial boot, won't even detect it.
Hardware setup is:
KA630 CPU, v. 1.3 firmware
16 MB memory
M3104 8-port serial MUX
DELQA Ethernet card (M7516YA)
RQDX3 (M7555), two RD54's and an RX50
Two TK50 drives/controllers (M7546)
RRD40 CD-ROM controller (M7552)
The Really Odd Thing is that it worked before, under MicroVMS 4.6, but now
it won't even work with that. I suspect, though I've not confirmed it yet,
that it may have to do with:
1). The fact that I've added a CD-ROM controller (appears as DUB0:)...
2). The order that I've got boards plugged into the backplane (BA123 box).
Tonight, I will try transposing the positions of the two TK50 controllers
I have. I will also try jumpering the suspect controller as the primary and
removing the RRD40's board.
Any suggestions would be welcome. As mentioned, I find it interesting that
two TK50's worked under MicroVMS 4.6, then suddenly stopped working under 6.2.
Do I need to use SYSGEN, perhaps, after the fact? If so, what string do I
feed it? (low on docs again!)
For comparison/test purposes, I'm going to CC this to the CLASSICCMP
mailing list as well as your return address. Whichever one you see first
will tell me if there really is a problem with the mail system.
CLASSICCMP users, my apologies. Please bear with me until I can figure out
what's been going weird with mail to Tim's site.
Thanks in advance!
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(Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net)
http://www.wizards.net/technoid
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
What is the difference between an AppleDisk 5.25 and an Apple DuoDisk
5.25?
Which work on the IIe and which on the IIgs?
Does a IIgs 3.5" drive work on the IIe?
thanks
Kai
PLEASE SEND ALL REPLIES TO edick(a)idcomm.com
DO NOT AUTOMATICALLY REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE!
Here's a message from the guy in Colorado who has a bunch of old S-100
systems and documentation among other things that he's giving away. He
says he has a truckload of media, a bunch of 8" drives and other stuff.
Someone else on the list turned me onto him (forgot who).
Sam
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:26:22 -0600
From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com>
To: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com>
Subject: Re: S-100 stuff
DO you have any interest in documentation for the old CP/m-based software,
perhaps along with software? I've been throwing stuff away, in order to make
room for another bedroom in the basement. Lots of stuff is sitting in the
covered portion of my carport. Some of this is original documentation and some
is copied. There's also a fair amount of documentation on printers, terminals,
and other peripherals. Not all of it is in totally messed up condition, but
some is pretty poor. Nonetheless, It works!
If you know of anyone who wants this type of stuff, pass on the word! It's all
free for the taking, since it's on the final sort headed for the dumpster. All
I want is to avoid having to PAY to have it taken, so I do need payment for the
freight.
If I recall correctly they just go straight into basic.
----------
> From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: IBM 5100!
> Date: Thursday, September 04, 1997 2:02 PM
>
> I met a friend of mine whom I hadn't seen in several years last night.
We
> got to talking and I found out she had thrown out an IBM 5110 system a
while
> ago <sigh>. BUT she still had the 5100 and I picked it up this morning.
It
> consists of the 5100, a tape unit, printer, and monitor. They will be
> looking around for any documentation as it used to be kept with the
> machine. In the mean time, does anyone know anything about how to start
up
> this thing? I doubt I'll have problems with plugging everything
together,
> but after I throw the power on switch, what happens then? Thanks.
>I just picked up a MAC PLUS and on the inside of the case it is silver
>with lots of signatures moulded on it , I know my AMIGA 1000 has this
>but the other Mac i have is just plain , Is this common ????
The Mac 128, Mac 512 and Mac Plus all had the signatures. Later versions,
like the classics, did not. To my knowledge, the only other signed apple
was the "Limited Edition" Woz Apple IIgs, and that was signed on the
outside.
I am not sure about the 512k, but I assume it was signed - I keep meaning
to open up mine but never seem to get around to it.
Adam.
> I have a lead on a computer, a Burroughs 6800, that is apparantly being
> kept in a store-room and not being used. It seems I should be able to get
> it if I asked. My question is - do I want it? Mostly I have limited
> myself to micros, as they are small and fit my own interests, but I have
> always been willing to accept larger systems. But as a result I know
> nothing about Burroughs - is this thing huge, or what?
It is huge. It is a mainframe size system. The one we used to have here
filled a large room.
> Is it rare, common,
> powerful or just dull?
The main thing about the line which includes the 6800 is that they are
stack machines, which is unusual. I don't know about the popularity of
the 6800 model, but Unisys still sells machines in that line (and they
are still stack machines, and can still execute 6800 code).
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
I am wondering if anyone else might have one of these Laser 50 computers
available?
Some more information on this computer. It was manufactured by V-Tech
(Video technology Ltd.) in the mid 1980s. It was a small, white, lap-top
size computer. It had a single line LCD display and was marketed as a
childrens education or beginner's computer, and contained BASIC only. You
could expand this 1.5k
system by buying cassette recorder, two different printers, and a memory
expansion cartridge.
OH, yes... you could save up to 9 different programs internally on the
computer. Now I also remember it ran on batteries though you could hook up
a DC converter to plug into the wall.
Had a full-feature BASIC programming language built in, including sound
commands... although it didn't have any graphics capabilities (that I know
of) it was a fun little computer.
Anyway, what I am asking is if anyone out there has one of these or knows
where I might be able to find one.... PLEASE let me know. I used to have
one (lost it YEARS ago) and I would like my children to be able to use it
a bit... plus it's kind of a piece of my computing history that I would
like to bring back to my collection!
Thanks a lot, and I hope someone has an inkling obout this machine. P.S.
This isn't an Apple or IBM close.
Best Wishes,
CORD COSLOR
P.S. I would be willing to pay virtually whatever you want for it
(reasonable), and may consider trading my V-Tech Pre Computer 1000 for it.
This pre 1000 computer contains BASIC, and many games and trivia sections
as well.
//*=====================================================================++
|| Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE ||
|| (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 ||
|| Classic computer software and hardware collector ||
|| Autograph collector ||
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Well, my inspiration to advertise with machine tool vendors to find a
paper tape reader has paid off.
A vendor has several Remex high-speed paper tape readers for sale. I
know these were frequently used with PDP's, does anyone know what type
of interface they have? RS-232, current loop...?
thanks
Kai
At 09:43 PM 03/09/97 GMT, you wrote:
>I just picked up a MAC PLUS and on the inside of the case it is silver
>with lots of signatures moulded on it , I know my AMIGA 1000 has this
>but the other Mac i have is just plain , Is this common ????
>
>Cheers Chris Denham
>
I don't know if you could call it common, however I do know that the Mac
512 had it, as well as the Mac Classic (i don't think the original Mac or
the later Mac 128 had a signed case, but I could be wrong).
A funny story I heard about these sigs is that on at least one (if not all),
Jobs sig is large and right in the middle while Woz's is down in the corner.
However a seam or vent ran through Jobs and all but made it unreadable :)
I always assumed that the Mac Plus was unsigned, but I guess your machine
has proved me wrong (I should dig out that long torx screwdriver and get
inside of mine again)
Is there a list somewhere naming all of the signed Macs? And how many other
computers had signed cases? I think its great that these early machines were
produced with signed cases, it shows a pride in the workmanship, as well as
the simplicity of design when you could fit all of the important names on
the inside of a computer case. Try that with todays wintel boxes (as if they
would want to be 'fingered' as the culprits ;)
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All mac+ have the signatures cast into the case like that. I have the
platinum mac + model which was later than the beige ones, and it still has
the signatures. I heard some folklore that said that steve jobs' signature is
the biggest one, and the rest of them are much smaller...
In a message dated 97-09-03 19:26:06 EDT, you write:
<< I have Mac + with that signatures too and how common this was I
dunno. But I did heard of that in first 1000 produced of that 1k
Amigas had these signed in top shell so it's somewhat rare.
I see that also in some Mac 128k's. I did not know of any else done
that besides said two brands.
Jason D >>
At 00:02 03-09-97 PDT, you wrote:
<snip>
>Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:11:58 -0800 (PDT)
>From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca>
>To: classiccmp(a)u.WASHINGTON.edu
>Subject: Re: Remex paper tape readers
>Message-ID: <9709030111.AA03666(a)alph02.triumf.ca>
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>> Kai - I'll bite - how much does he want for one????
>> I don't care about the interface - I'll build my own.
>>
>> How about some Reader/Punches 8-)
>
>Do Model 33 ASR's ever show up at hamfests anymore? Back when I was in
>high school, these were the de facto solution for reading and/or
>Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:18:43 -0400 (EDT)
>From: William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net>
>To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
>Subject: Re: Remex paper tape readers
>Message-ID: <199709030118.AA05958(a)interlock.ans.net>
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
>> Do Model 33 ASR's ever show up at hamfests anymore?
>
>No, nobody wants to drag anything that heavy. What might work is if you
>pin a sign to your back saying that you actually want one of the things -
>people may offer many of them to you just for hauling.
<snip>
I beg to differ. I saw one, in excellent condition, show up at a hamfest
near the Oregon/Washington border (Longview) not that long ago. I think it
was a freebie.
The only reason I didn't take it is because I used to work on the things
and I know, full-well, what kind of a pain they can be.
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>> A vendor has several Remex high-speed paper tape readers for
sale. I
> Kai - I'll bite - how much does he want for one????
I don't know yet... he has about 5 available. I'll find out.
Kai
