- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by roblwill＠usaor.net

Is a PS/1 machine considered to be in 'family one'? My school had a PS/1 486-25 (processor speed, not model#) Consultatnt (I think), that when the HD died, it booted to IBM BASIC. It was also able to access the drives, but was in ROM BASIC. -Jason *********************************************** * Jason Willgruber * * (roblwill(a)usaor.net) * * * * http://members.tripod.com/general_1 * * ICQ#-1730318 * * /0\/0\ * * > Long Live the 5170! * * \___/ * ************************************************ ---------- > From: SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: PCjr with no disk drive? > Date: Thursday, October 29, 1998 10:09 PM > > the pcjr is like any other IBM family one machine in that it will boot to > basic unless it has a disk device or in the case of the pcjr, a cartridge > inthe slot. > > > In a message dated 10/29/98 9:08:03 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk writes: >

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VAXStation cable pinouts

by kyrrin＠jps.net

At one time, I had the URL of a web site where the fellow had listed a method and pinouts to make a VAXStation II/GPX video cable complete with mouse and KB connections as well as video. Does anyone recall where this is? I can't seem to find it. Thanks. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) (Web: http://table.jps.net/~kyrrin) SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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PCjr with no disk drive?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

the pcjr is like any other IBM family one machine in that it will boot to basic unless it has a disk device or in the case of the pcjr, a cartridge inthe slot. In a message dated 10/29/98 9:08:03 PM US Eastern Standard Time, ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk writes: > At 09:08 AM 10/29/98 -0800, Sam said: > > > > >The PCjr had BASIC in ROM and didn't require a floppy to boot. > > > > Was the BASIC in a plug in cartridge and optional? > > There was BASIC in the ROMs on the motherboard, AFAIK. There was a > cartridge that contained some kinds of extended BASIC, and of course you > could also run BASIC from disk if you had the disk drive. >

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eVay

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 07:50 PM 10/25/98 GMT, you wrote: >"alexzogh", formerly of Net$cape, has his teeth in that one, so don't >bother. I don't think I've seen him throw an auction on eBay yet, once >he had started bidding. Was he with Netscape? I thought he had some company of his own in Chicago? In any case, he doesn't win every auction he bids on (though, from what I've heard, he could). I know, because there have been a few I've beat him on. btw, rumour has it he's on this list. (Hi Alex! 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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ePay

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 12:50 AM 10/27/98 GMT, you wrote: >Yeah, but it's *such* a pisser when the sniping twit gets it for your >maximum plus 50 cents!! Like you'd say "Golly - I *really* want that >Altair that's autographed by the original designers, and I'll pay $5,550 >for it, but not $5,550.50!" I know I'm *way* too good at convincing >myself that my original bid was too low... And then there's always the I came across an ebay page that suggested a good way to find your true maximum: First pick what you think your max bid is, say $50. Now, close your eyes and imagine that the auction is over and someone got it for $51. How does that make you feel? If you're upset, set your maximum to say, $55 and try again. If the thought that someone would get it for $56 still gets you upset, do it again. If you get to $110, and the thought of someone getting it for $111 doesn't worry you, then you've found your true max. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 01:44 PM 10/27/98 +1, you wrote: >Please ? The whole idea of sniping is just to avoide a real >competition situation. In fact, it may lower the price of >all 'needed' goods, because nobody will get a chance to top >the sniper. So a final price might have been higher. Very true. Assume your max for item X is $100. Opening bid is $1. You bid $100 on the first day, and the high bid is $1. Day 2, another bidder comes along and bids $20. You still have the high bid for $21. The other bidder sees that and tries again, this time putting in $40. Your bid is now $41. If, however, you wait 'til the last minute, the other bidder will bid $20 and that's it. You can come along at the last minute and snipe him for $21, saving you $20. Keep in mind, too, that not all categories get the inflated prices that the older computers get. I've got a box full of Donald Duck stuff (Rachel's birthday is 11/9) that I got at prices ranging from decent to outright theft. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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ebay

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 12:51 PM 10/26/98 -0800, you wrote: >An alternate to eBay is needed. The answer to sniping is to keep bidding open until no bids have been received for x minutes. That's the way some of the reputable collectible auction houses do it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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ebay

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 08:17 PM 10/26/98 +1, you wrote: >Just a NO. Maybe I'm stupid and old fashionated, >but sniping is just not possible. Yes it is. If there's something I really want, I generally have two browser windows open -- one to do frequent reloads on, and one with my info already entered and ready to submit. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Dumpster Diving was Re: Washington DC area vintage sources (was RE:ebay)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 08:28 AM 10/27/98, you wrote: >cans for evidence. The court ruled that stuff thrown into the trash and and >placed on the public right of way (street) for pickup was publicly >available and no longer private property. Of course, many commercial trash As I recall, the police must wait until the authorized agents of a designated service company (i.e., the garbagemen) have put the potential evidence into their own container (garbage truck) before they can get at it. But, IANAL... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Dolphin (was Re: ebay)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 04:32 PM 10/27/98 +1, you wrote: >> No, I'm talking about the Dauphin DTR-1, a cute little 486-powered, >> pen-and-keyboard-capable portable computer. The "DTR" stands for >> "desktop replacement," which was overpromising a bit. As far as I >> know, there was no "DTR-2." I believe there was a DTR-2, though I don't know if it ever made it to production. Dauphin also made some more traditional laptops. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Microvaxen bits etc.

by netcafe＠pirie.mtx.net.au

-----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, 29 October 1998 8:54 Subject: Re: Microvaxen bits etc. >[Using the transceiver section of an ethernet card] > >> I think it needs +-12v and +- 5v, but that's not a big problem. (Diskless >> workstation PSU) > >Well, the card might, but the transceiver section will almost certainly >only need one supply rail. It runs off an _isolated_ (to 1.5kV I think) >PSU on the card (there'll be a DC-DC converter on the card for this). >I've never seen such a converter than needs more than one supply voltage >input. Yep. Dead right. 12-15v dc to feed a dc-dc xvtr that produces 9v to run the NE8392C xcvr chip. >> > Did I mention that you'll need the data sheets on the transceiver chip? >> >> You did. Know a source? Online one preferably? > >Sure. Try the semiconductor manufacturers. AMD, National Semiconductor, >Philips, possibly. They should have the data sheets in pdf format to >download. I remember downloading the National Semiconductor >8390+8391+8392 data sheets about a year ago. Exactly as you recalled. I have the PDF files with data for the lot. Amongst other things, there is a page with a "Typical Application" which is a cct diagram of a what amounts to an AUI-Thin cable transceiver. Complete with pinouts of a typical pulse xfmr. Exactly what I needed. So I'm gonna build me a couple or three from bits of network cards. Should be able to do it on a piece of veroboard in about an hour or so. Cabling can be avoided by connecting the pins of a male 15pin d directly to the veroboard, then the whole thing can plug in to the ethernet AUI port on the back of the VAX. This has basically solved my problem, as I have several elcheapo ethernet cards laying about that can supply all the parts except the 15 pin male d. Thanks for your help. Cheers Geoff Computer Room Internet Cafe Port Pirie South Australia. netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 29, 18:23, Daniel T. Burrows wrote: > Subject: Re: Microvaxen bits etc. > Now I get complaints > that I am never down at the house, but when I bring things down there to > work on they are in the way. Liz got quite shirty about the 20" monitor and the printer in the dining room. She seemed to think that ten printers was excessive, even when I pointed out that that was only one for every 3.5 systems. > take over one of the bedrooms and put a system in there. I even have a 4 > inch conduit running the 350 feet from the office to the house. It is > buried in the same trench as the power, phone, water, and sewer feed to the > office. It has been there for 4 years and I still have not run the coax > down to the house. That's OK, it took me two years to run the two serial lines from my room to the garage, and four more to do the coax. Now I have to run Cat5 as well... sometime. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Kurzweil KVS

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

Hi Doug and all, At 02:22 AM 10/29/98 -0600, you wrote: >On Wed, 28 Oct 1998, dave dameron wrote: > >> In a recent "Electronic Design" magazine, the column "40 years ago", there >> was an article about IBM and digitized speech. It is an interesting column, >> as well as Bob Pease's. > >Can you summarize the article? I can imagine a lot of ways to digitize >speech without a lot of RAM, but I'm curious about what they were doing in >the 50's with the data. I seem to remember things like "formant" >decomposition and analysis to be reasearch topics in the 70's. Come to >think of it, I don't even know when things like the FFT were invented, but >I thought even that was not until the 60's or so. > I don't have it anymore, it had a lot to do with sampling and compression, as they had only 32k memory. It appeared in the last 4 months, so the original article was in 1958. Maybe someone else can find it easily? -Dave

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TRS-80 Model I

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 12:34 PM 10/25/98 -0800, you wrote: >When I was a kid I tho't that the keypad was incredibly lame because it >didn't have a comma key. The only thing I would ever use it for would have >been typing in numbers in DATA statements so it seems like a dumb idea. Well, as someone who learned 10-key touch before I learned to type, the idea of a comma on the keypad does not seem so obvious. More important was the plus, minus, and period keys, for true data entry. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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TRS-80 emulators

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

>So, to come back on topic, the best for a TRS-80 >emulator is still DOS. Install it, or even boot Dunno if this link is still up, or if it's old news, but try http://www.agate.net/~tvdog/emulators.htm and see what you get. Interestingly enough, I used to have the URL for a Model III emulator that ran on the Atari ST. You could then get the ST emulator for DOS.... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Personal Replies to Sender Was: RE: DOS disks?

by cfandt＠netsync.net

Briefly, here could be a solution to us inadvertently posting what should be private replies to our whole list: Can listproc on the U. of Wash. server be set so that the "Reply to:" field defaults to original poster and not to ClassicCmp? For example, Majordomo software running on a server handling a different list I am a member of is set this way. Therefore a reply will go to the previous sender in a msg thread. If the message is to go to the whole list then we simply type the "r-390(a)qth.net" address into either the "To:" or "CC:" field. Works very well it seems. FYI: 'R-390' is the military nomenclature of a high performance military surplus shortwave receiver that is truly a "classic" as far as its owners are concerned. I would even wager that Wm. Donzelli may have one too. As the reasoning that the message should always go to the list, we should just remember to specify the ClassicCmp addr. in the "To:" or "CC:" field. If we do not see a msg we intended for the list come up in our own email Inbox later then we know that we accidentally forgot and then have the option of reconsidering sending it to the whole list. This will help keep personal stuff such as discussing a deal to buy/sell something from the rest of the world --or those flames that get thrown around which nobody here appreciates. I'm still waiting for M$ s/w that works well. Whatever happened to Bill Whitson anyway? Regards, Chris At 13:48 10/29/98 +0000, Julian Richardson <JRichardson(a)softwright.co.uk> wrote: >>> oops, that was supposed to go to Sam only. >>> ELM needs a "reply to sender" key. > >*sigh*. In exchange the menu option is "reply to sender" but that >replies to the list, despite the name of the original sender appearing >in the "from" column. One day MS will write some software that works... >(OK, so that's completely off-topic... but it won't be so much ten years >from now... look at it as being ahead of its time... :) > >cheers > >Jules >> >> >> > Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/

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by dburrows＠netpath.net

> >The first paragraph sounds familiar. Liz complained about the black cable >snaking along the landing -- even though she finally got email and remote >printer access out of it -- because it was "ugly black" RG58, as she put >it. She wasn't at all impressed with a bright blue AUI drop cable paired >with bright yellow thick ethernet. I just thought she'd be pleased with >something prettier... I know the problem all to well. They just have no sense of humor on such things. I moved all of my equipment to mobile homes I use for office and storage. 4 now soon to be 7 all sandwiched together. Now I get complaints that I am never down at the house, but when I bring things down there to work on they are in the way. Now that the kids are off to college I plan to take over one of the bedrooms and put a system in there. I even have a 4 inch conduit running the 350 feet from the office to the house. It is buried in the same trench as the power, phone, water, and sewer feed to the office. It has been there for 4 years and I still have not run the coax down to the house. Dan

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Microvaxen bits etc.

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 29, 21:26, Tony Duell wrote: > Subject: Re: Microvaxen bits etc. > > You guys are both lucky. I inherited 600' of _bright orange_ (day-glo) > > 10Base2 cable that my wife will barely allow in the *garage*... > > > > Oh, my parents (who own the house that's full of my little collection) > prefer bright cables as they're less likely to trip over any temporary > cabling I happen to have plugged together... The first paragraph sounds familiar. Liz complained about the black cable snaking along the landing -- even though she finally got email and remote printer access out of it -- because it was "ugly black" RG58, as she put it. She wasn't at all impressed with a bright blue AUI drop cable paired with bright yellow thick ethernet. I just thought she'd be pleased with something prettier... -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Voice _activated_ or voice _operated_? I could easily imagine a type writer turning on when you talk to it, but not a typewriter that can understand speech. Though, with a housefull of tubes, it could probably be done... > >I saw a reference to a voice-activated typewriter that was patented in 1916. >(No, that is not a typo.) Unforunately the site isn't in my bookmark file >or if it is, the reference isn't easily accessible. > >-- Derek > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Ohio Scientific (fwd)

by franke＠sbs.de

> > P.S.: has anybody som OSI stuff for sale ? > And for years I thought, based on responses from a.f.c, > that I was the only person in the world who cared for > OSI equipment! > Since there are some interested people, let me repeat > a question that I have asked on the net before: > Does anyone have a complete working copy of OS-65u, > the multi-user OS for the C3 and C4 series? If you do, > please contact me! No. Anything I have is a C1P Board (build nicly in a Childrens school desk :) and a fitting OSI video board and some casette soft. I wanted to have one when OSI was a big thing, but I hadn't the money - and now I can't find any. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Nixie stuff (Was: Re: A Proposal (was...))

by zmerch＠30below.com

At 12:23 PM 10/28/98 -0600, you wrote: >ObCC: I picked up a Burroughs C3207 calc the other day. Nixie tubes and >transistors. It doesn't go, and I have no idea how to make it go again. >All I know is that Nixies are high-voltage, so I'm reluctant to poke my >fingers in there. I seem to remember there was a single Nixie tube for sale on Haggle.com... for around $3.00 or so (at the time...) Don't they run on 170 volts or somesuch wild figure??? "Merch"

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by franke＠sbs.de

>>> good at it) and you don't have to worry about running a black coax cable >> Who said anything about a black cable? I use yellow cable for ethernet as >> God intended :-). > You guys are both lucky. I inherited 600' of _bright orange_ (day-glo) > 10Base2 cable that my wife will barely allow in the *garage*... 200m ? gee what a nice source for delay :) Gruss Hans -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Personal Replies to Sender Was: RE: DOS disks?

by franke＠sbs.de

> --- "Hans Franke" wrote: > Does anybody remember a 'INTEL' video game ? I have > aquired today a unit named 'INTEL UNIVERSAL TELE PLAY'. > --- end of quote --- > Is this the same as the "Intellivision?" No (of course I know the Intelivision :). I just try to get any information - and 22 years are a long time ago. I also have some considerations about 'INTEL' - did they do it, or just a kind of lable hobo ? The mark used consists of all capital letters, while the upper bar of the T covers the whole word. Gruss Hans -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Personal Replies to Sender Was: RE: DOS disks?

by franke＠sbs.de

> [List is no longer being maintaied] > Ehehehehe... Anarchy! Nothing to laugh about. Anarchy works great. Take this list great people, great stuff - or take the Internet itself - beside some stupid gouvenment issues and some want-to-be-bosses its pure Anarchy - and great. Anarchie never ment to be without rules just without f****** rulers. Gruss Hans TBOTA: Does anybody remember a 'INTEL' video game ? I have aquired today a unit named 'INTEL UNIVERSAL TELE PLAY'. Acording to the chip dates the base unit (there is only the video logic and the connectors inside) must be manufactured around 1976. The two modules (here is the processor) I got, SUPERSTAR (a collection of Pong alikes) and TANK are from 1977 and 1978. The unit is very nicely, a plastic case with metall plates, 4 switches (on/of and 3 game dependant), a Start (Reset) Button and even a numeric keypad to select games. Funny numbering on the keypad: 159 260 37* 48= maybe taken from an old calculator. The base unit has a German/English mixture of labels, while the modules (cassetes) are only in english. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Personal Replies to Sender Was: RE: DOS disks?

by Marion.Bates＠Dartmouth.EDU

--- "Hans Franke" wrote: Does anybody remember a 'INTEL' video game ? I have aquired today a unit named 'INTEL UNIVERSAL TELE PLAY'. --- end of quote --- Is this the same as the "Intellivision?"

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Ohio Scientific (fwd)

by franke＠sbs.de

> More to the point on OSI hardware, I have a C4P motherboard > and service manual somewhere in storage. At one time, when I was > almost exclusively into 6502's, I had entertained the notion of > building enough stuff to make this board do *something* useful. > I no longer have the time to even consider such a project. I am > writing to poll for interest among OSI collectors for such a beast. > It's not a computer, only the mainboard. If you don't have a C4P > already, this is of virtually no use. I have never even powered > it on. > If there are any takers, I will make an effort to dig it out. HERE! No, I have no C4P, but I still would like to get this board. Maybe I can dig up other parts over the next years. Wasn't the C4P Board already a complete computer ? At least thats what I remember. So adding a Terminal and a PSU might be a first step to check condition. Please tell me what you ask for it. Or tell me What kind of trade you might be interested. Gruss Hans -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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PCjr with no disk drive?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

hmmm, strange option, as i've seen every pcjr with a disk drive installed including the two i own. i guess it could still be useful with a floppy because you could always run those programs on cartridges. i have no idea why the ps/1 was announced after the ps2. perhaps was just an afterthought. i've had people actually think that the ps/1 was "better" than the ps/2 just because it was first. david In a message dated 10/28/98 9:07:44 PM US Eastern Standard Time, maxeskin(a)hotmail.com writes: > The disk drive was an option, like the hard drive on the XT. In my > PCjr manual, the disk drive manual is a separate booklet. The owner > was supposed to install it, I think. BTW, why is the PS/1 called that > if it came after the PS/2?

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FS: Assembly Language on 360/370 book

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

To Owad wrote: > Assembly Language Fundamentals > 360/370, OS/VS, DOS/VS > by Rina & Joshua Yarmish > 768 pages, hardback > > $5 shipped. I'm interested. How much more to ship to UK? If the total is less than $10 I'll airmail you a bill. (Checks wallet) Damn. No $10 bills. Oh well, we'll sort something out. Haven't got much else to use my US currency on, after all... Philip. PS Sorry about the null post. I double-clicked the Reply button and this awful mail software took that as one click on Reply and one on Send. :-( PPS shall we keep the noise down and conclude our bargain in private e-mails?

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64bit data 128Bit address...Re: Building a Z-80 (64bit!

by franke＠sbs.de

> < Address bus should be as wide as you think you might need plus a bit mor > < As Allison said (again! Why oh why did I delete her post?) you want you > < processor to be able to think about huge memories even if you can't buil > < them and have to swap to disk. > Actually the addres bus can be smaller than register size. For example > we could build an 80 bit machine with 60bit address busses. The 60 bits > is more than enough to address most likely memory needs for a long while > yet if you need to do address math or other math 80bit long registers may > make it much easier. The datapath bus can be any size as well but larger > is generally better. Just remember the enhancement of the /370 address space >from 24 Bit to 31 Bit (with a short intermediate phase of the 25 Bit machines - 16M user and 16M system RAM). And the funny thing is that still a mayor part of all /370 Software is only 24 Bit aware. > The assumption of symetry is likely the most false. Right. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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FS: Assembly Language on 360/370 book

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

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Personal Replies to Sender Was: RE: DOS disks?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< "CC:" field. Works very well it seems. FYI: 'R-390' is the military < nomenclature of a high performance military surplus shortwave receiver t < is truly a "classic" as far as its owners are concerned. I would even wa That is one item that comes under the I'd give up a computer to keep. Those were real nice recievers. It could even displace my Allied AX190 (it's only 24years old). Allison

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Ohio Scientific (fwd)

by franke＠sbs.de

>>>DEAR AARON: >>>I will be putting the computer on the e-bay auction >>>some time soon. The wieght is under 100lbs. I have >>>gotten a lot of e-mail on this item, i think the only fair >>>thing to do is give everyone a chance at it. >>>Thanks >>>Tom I got the same letter :( > This is what I call the height of hypocrisy. In other words: "I will be > trolling for the best price offered." Everyone should boycott this > transaction. Have a nice day! :) Jep, basicly you're right. Completely right. But help me, I WANT it. I don't know if I can hold myself from bidding. Without questioning I would offer some 200 USD which is good I think (good condition of the lot as a base). And I belive ePay could push me eventualy to some 400 or so USD (Takin the 'imagine what if' measurement). Sigh. Gruss H. P.S.: has anybody som OSI stuff for sale ? -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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UK VCF (Was: Re: Any *really* homebrewing going on?)

by franke＠sbs.de

>>> I think I know at least 3 or 4 Germans who would like >>> to join and I guess there are a lot more. > If I may butt in... Perhaps there is a way you can do this. First, pick a > location that you think will be convenient for everyone, perhaps near the > chunnel(?) or near an airport. [...] > At the very least, you'll have 5 people getting together for a day of > BS'ing about old computers. At best, you'll have a decent first shot at > it, with the momentum to really do a bang-up job of it the following year. That describes exact the way I thought of it. I would start this way, but I'm just not in the UK ...and thats what the thing was about - I already had some talks to Wirtschaften (some Pubs) over here about this, and a meeting somewhere in spring might be reasonable. But it would be a Bavarian (German) mini VCF, and beside the travel distance for our UK list fellows, the Meeting language will be German, at least for most people, since the goal will still be to attract more visitors. Of course everybody is free to use what ever language is possible to talk, but if there is a programm of speaches to be made there will be problems. On the other side, we might attract new followers for the list. So, when only looking at the list I belive a UK (informal) meeting might have more members visiting than one in Bavaria. But feel free to prove me wrong. If there is a response, I will voluntere to organize it. Gruss Hans -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Dumpster Diving was Re: Washington DC area vintage sour

by franke＠sbs.de

>>> Seams to be an attitude of all management - bann whatever >>> you don't undestand >> I think the attitude of many companies in the UK is "if we wanted to give >> it away we would do so, once we have decided to throw it away it stays >> thrown away". > Say you ran a company, and being a good collector and occasional dumpster > diver, you had a policy that anything broken could be taken home by > employees if the company decided they didn't want to fix it. So the > hacker employees are happy because they get some nice stuff they can fix > and use in their spare time. But what happens when employees start > intentionally breaking things, or worse, pulling small parts out of > equipment to make it look broke, so they can then take it home and replace > the missing fuse or chip? I think that is why you have the rather > seemingly unreasonable policies about discard equipment. Thats the simple way of avoiding any possibility, as far away it might be. An empolyee like you described could even in Germany, where we have very strict laws agains random kickin of employees, be fired winthin some days. AND will be responsible for any possible financial loss - Thats a bit like your cracy pruduct cases. So taking of parts is ok at most companies (with permission) but using them for profit (no, a single sale at a flea market is also not considered profit) could harm you more than being charged with murder. >> I think with the modern ideas about environmentally friendly disposal of >> waste it would be appropriate for the local authorities to turn a blind >> eye to 'scavengers' like ourselves and thus reduce the amount of useful >> stuff which ends up in landfill ;-) Of courese - extending the usage of any thing is the best environmental protection strategy (maybe without suizide), especialy with wares that used a lot of energy and other recources to produce - often a lot more in construction then at any time later - like cars or computers :) > Until one loathesome scavenger cuts a finger off on some particularly > sharp piece of metal and sues the owner, the trash company, the maker of > the trash container for not making it so they could get inside in the > first place, etc. (at least in the U.S.) Yes, and only in the US. Ok, our European product laws are maybe sometimes a bit week, but the combination of better rights for the customer and a very junky law system isn't helpful either. And worse, if we would bothe get hurt (in the US) I have to be lucky to get 1/20th of your payment ... American Courts are somewhat picky about the victims ... Gruss Hans P.S.: A surplus store has some PC-234 printers on sale. These are Printers for the TI-74 Basic handheld. They seem to be new or at least in very good shape in the original box. The price is some 85 Mark, so any interest ? -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Kurzweil KVS

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

Hi Doug and all, At 04:59 PM 10/28/98 -0600, you wrote: >On Wed, 28 Oct 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > >> Unless you used "1000 word vocab" to qualify the claim, in which case I >> still think there may be an earlier contender. Speech recongition goes >> back a long way, perhaps as far back as the 50s. > >Yes, commercial and 1000 word vocab were the qualifiers; let me know if >you still challenge the claim, otherwise it gets immortalized in a web >page soon. > >And given that AI didn't really get started until around 1960, and that >storage for digitized speech would have been very expensive back then, I'd >be interested in any references you could provide for speech recognition >way back in the 1950's. > In a recent "Electronic Design" magazine, the column "40 years ago", there was an article about IBM and digitized speech. It is an interesting column, as well as Bob Pease's. -Dave

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DOS disks?

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>> oops, that was supposed to go to Sam only. >> ELM needs a "reply to sender" key. *sigh*. In exchange the menu option is "reply to sender" but that replies to the list, despite the name of the original sender appearing in the "from" column. One day MS will write some software that works... (OK, so that's completely off-topic... but it won't be so much ten years >from now... look at it as being ahead of its time... :) cheers Jules > > >

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Dumpster Diving was Re: Washington DC area vintage sour

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>>> I think the attitude of many companies in the UK is "if we wanted to give >>> it away we would do so, once we have decided to throw it away it stays >>> thrown away". >> >> Let me add a little perspective to this.

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PCjr with no disk drive?

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

The disk drive was an option, like the hard drive on the XT. In my PCjr manual, the disk drive manual is a separate booklet. The owner was supposed to install it, I think. BTW, why is the PS/1 called that if it came after the PS/2? >drive, but instead a face plate covering the slot where the drive would >go? I saw such a thing today and was curious if there were ever any >PCjr's released without internal disk drives. Obviously this one was. > >The inside is rather bare as well. There is not the usual cards inside. > >I also saw what looked to be a very small IBM computer. It had all the >connectors on the back, for video, keyboard, printer. It also had two >3.5" bays side by side in the front. The front cover was missing so I >couldn't get any model number off it (not even on the label on the >bottom). The only thing I saw on the label was "Type 2100". I'm thinking >it might be a PS/1 or something. It was really small, measuring about 12" >wide by 3" high by 12" deep. > >Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ever onward. > > Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 > See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! > [Last web site update: 09/21/98] > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Nixie stuff (Was: Re: A Proposal (was...))

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< > > Don't they run on 170 volts or somesuch wild figure??? < > < > A nixie tube is basically a neon bulb. It turns out that if you drive < > neon bulb from DC, then the cathode appears to glow, and the anode < > doesn't. A nixie tube has a number of cathodes in the shape of the < > required symbols (often, but not always, 0-9), and a mesh anode. < < Wow. I didn't know that. I thought you had to supply the Nixie with AC 160-250V DC, thought he dc does nto have to be wel filtered or regulate < I'll have to rig up some kind of ladder network, I guess. I have a boar A transformer with a 120v secondary and a voltage doubler will do. The current is very low, nominal series resistor is something like 47k. < out of an ancient calculator with 9 or 10 Nixie tubes (and a neon bulb < for the '-' sign). I've always wanted to fire it up, but never had the < time to build some kind of high-voltage BCD driver. This sounds like a That's where the work is. Back when those were used inexpensive HV transistors with a 100v breakdown were hard to find and ICs good for more tha 30V were scarce. So there were some creative tricks used depending on the specific tube used. < for a PIC, a kind of serial to Nixie driver. I could always drive it wi < an ancient UART (the kind that didn't need a CPU) and a pile ot TTL, bu < I think the PIC could keep the part count low. Uart and a small pile of ttl really. The bulk of the hardware will be the drivers unless you can use the 74141. Allison

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Dumpster Diving was Re: Washington DC area vintage sour

by franke＠sbs.de

> I don't know what the law is in the UK regarding dustbins (trashcans) but > regarding skips (dumpsters) it is something like: > Person X makes a contract with a waste disposal contractor Y. Y delivers a > skip to X's premises, and probably leaves it in the road (at precisely the > worst place for motorists trying to get around it :-) ). X throws stuff > into the skip, but it remains X's property, and to pull it out is theft. > Eventually X has thrown in all he wants and phones up Y to collect the > skip. When Y does, the stuff in the skip becomes Y's property. Almost same for Germany, although the point of changing ownership is depending on the contract. In most cases the ownership changes when the item ist dumped, althrough no court will rule agains a dumping person when the item is taken back. The same is true for any public trashcan/ dustbin. As soon as it is droped it belongs to the owner of the dustbin. > At work, I used to skip-dive a lot. I was once told that I was breaking > the law because I had removed a Superbrain from the skip. Lucky one! > However, skip-diving is now officially banned. I > have been quite strongly warned off several times, once for just looking at > the skip! The warnings came from quite high up, passed down through my > boss. Seams to be an attitude of all management - bann whatever you don't understand. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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"A Brief History of Computers"

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

>Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 06:37:24 -0500 >To: rax@warbaby.com;classiccmp@u.washington.edu >From: "Charles E. Fox" <foxvideo(a)wincom.net> >Subject: "A Brief History of Computers" > > > Hi, Robert: > > Having downloaded and read your piece, I would say it is a very good effort. I like, and try to emulate, the light way of writing but would suggest going easy on material not directly relevant...can openers, for instance. > I think it is readable by the technologically challenged, for it would be hard to find anyone more technologically challenged than I am, and I enjoyed it. > > Cheers > > Charlie Fox Charles E. Fox Chas E. Fox Video Productions email foxvideo(a)wincom.net Homepage http://www.wincom.net/foxvideo

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Fw: Osborne One Sale

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

This ad was in an Australian newsgroup. Turns out that the guy is "west of Olympia, Washington" He didn't say what country, so I assume he is American. They sometimes don't know the rest of the world exists. Someone else might be closer than me and also interested in this. -----Original Message----- From: w536(a)westsound.com <w536(a)westsound.com> Newsgroups: aus.ads.forsale.computers.used Date: Wednesday, 28 October 1998 16:51 Subject: Osborne One Sale >I have 3 Osborne Ones, > >1 ... white / blue case with modem and case fan ... working >1 ... white / blue case ... not presently working >1 ... brown case.... not presently working ... > > >If interested please contact through email for more information ... > >I use to work on these years ago so I have some knowledge about the >hardware, software, memory, ROM etc. > >Bill ... w536(a)westsound.com > > > >-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- >http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

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TRS Model 100 needed

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 07:02 AM 10/17/98 -0700, you wrote: >How much should a working TRS Model 100 laptop computer cost? (I'm >thinking of getting one for a portable amateur packet setup)? Anywhere from $5 to $200, depending on options, condition, venue... I got a 32K model in nice shape at a flea market for $14 (Thanks Rax!), and have paid over $100 for a mint condition one, with RJ-11 cable, acoustic cups, tape player, 32K, hard shell case, floppy, manuals, slip case, etc. If you just want one to use, you should be able to get one pretty quick for $50 or so. If you're willing to wait, you may find one at a thrift shop or flea market for much less. Keep in mind, also, that other versions are available: The Nec PC-8201, PC-8201a, PC-8300, Olivetti M-10, Kyocera KC-85, TRS-80 Model 102 and Model 200 all are either very similar or identical. Note that the NEC PC-8401A, Olivetti M-15, and Radio Shack Model 600 are *not* related, other than in similar names. Also, I would be more than happy to trade a true m100 for pretty much any of the others (except maybe the PC-8201a) along with some cash if they didn't suit your needs (not enough memory, no modem, etc.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Subject: Re: Noise levels have become deaf

by roblwill＠usaor.net

Wasn't this posted this already? ---------- > From: Brett <danjo(a)xnet.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Subject: Re: Noise levels have become deaf > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 9:41 PM > > > What - you got one too???? Now I can not swear it is Sammie's handiwork > but after get a copy of the Unsubscribe message from the listproc admin > I am pretty sure I will be able to hunt down the source. It's more of > a nuisance attack anyway... Tho I think DOS is more like it.... >

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Subject: Re: Noise levels have become deaf

by danjo＠xnet.com

What - you got one too???? Now I can not swear it is Sammie's handiwork but after get a copy of the Unsubscribe message from the listproc admin I am pretty sure I will be able to hunt down the source. It's more of a nuisance attack anyway... Tho I think DOS is more like it.... > From listproc(a)u.washington.edu Wed Oct 28 11:45:06 1998 > Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:22:33 PST > From: University of Washington ListProcessor <listproc(a)u.washington.edu> > To: danjo(a)xnet.com > Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP > > Dear user, > > your request > > UNSUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP > > has been successfully processed. > > You have been removed from list CLASSICCMP(classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu). > Thank you for being with us. BC

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Armiton

by dogas＠leading.net

Does anyone have a spare (Radio Shack circa '84/5) Armitron. It was a robot arm toy. An interfacing project with an Atari 800 never got off the ground back then and I would like to finally follow through... Thank Mike dogas(a)leading.net

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Dumpster Diving was Re: Washington DC area vintage sour

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

> >On Wed, 28 Oct 1998, Pete Joules wrote: > >> > Seams to be an attitude of all management - bann whatever >> > you don't undestand >> >> I think the attitude of many companies in the UK is "if we wanted to give Indeed. Too bad people must always abuse a privelege > >Let me add a little perspective to this. > >Say you ran a company, and being a good collector and occasional dumpster >diver, you had a policy that anything broken could be taken home by >employees if the company decided they didn't want to fix it. So the >hacker employees are happy because they get some nice stuff they can fix >and use in their spare time. But what happens when employees start >intentionally breaking things, or worse, pulling small parts out of >equipment to make it look broke, so they can then take it home and replace >the missing fuse or chip? I think that is why you have the rather >seemingly unreasonable policies about discard equipment. > >> I think with the modern ideas about environmentally friendly disposal of Judging from the labels on dumpsters, this has already happened. "Do not play in or around dumpster" > >Until one loathesome scavenger cuts a finger off on some particularly >sharp piece of metal and sues the owner, the trash company, the maker of >the trash container for not making it so they could get inside in the >first place, etc. (at least in the U.S.) > >Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ever onward. > > Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 > See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! > [Last web site update: 09/21/98] > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Ohio Scientific (fwd)

by aaron＠wfi-inc.com

---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:28:06 EST >From: AZOTIC(a)aol.com >To: aaron(a)wfi-inc.com >Subject: Re: Ohio Scientific > > >DEAR AARON: > >I will be putting the computer on the e-bay auction >some time soon. The wieght is under 100lbs. I have >gotten a lot of e-mail on this item, i think the only fair >thing to do is give everyone a chance at it. > >Thanks >Tom Maybe we should hold a betting pool for how much this one goes for? I'll say....$875. Aaron C. Finney Systems Administrator WFI Incorporated ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "UNIX is an exponential algorithm with a seductively small constant." --> Scott Draves

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UK VCF (Was: Re: Any *really* homebrewing going on?)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 08:45 AM 10/20/98 -0700, you wrote: >> I think I know at least 3 or 4 Germans who would like >> to join and I guess there are a lot more. If I may butt in... Perhaps there is a way you can do this. First, pick a location that you think will be convenient for everyone, perhaps near the chunnel(?) or near an airport. Then, find a pub, restaurant, whatever with a decent sized meeting room and convince them to let you hold it there for free. (Often, they'll do this because they figure attendees will buy lots of beer/food/whatever.) Next, pick a date. Get together with your core 5 and find a mutually agreeable date. Plan for 1 day the first time. Let people know about it, arrange for some computers to be on display, maybe a speaker or two, dig up some vendors, and go for it. Costs should be minimal -- printing some flyers, maybe. Income will be minimal too (perhaps charge vendors a small fee) but can be used as seed money for the following year. At the very least, you'll have 5 people getting together for a day of BS'ing about old computers. At best, you'll have a decent first shot at it, with the momentum to really do a bang-up job of it the following year. I think starting out with higher goals worked here because of the high concentration of techies in the Silicon Valley. Over there, I think a more modest start makes more sense. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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DOS disks?

by ckaiser＠oa.ptloma.edu

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