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by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I did some searches. First I found a company that is listed as having DTL devices form one of those master list of companies: http://www.mathiselectronics.com/ The only thing is that they do not list them on their web page. A little nore in depth search ( remembering that I might have actually posted information to this group in the past ) revealed: http://lansdale.com/homeprod.htm Of course, I was wrong, they were in Arizona and not Texas ( it was the desert that fooled me ). They have quite a listing of DTL parts in the Motorola section. If anyone does contact them for prices, could they let me know? I see they have a minimum $1000 order. Dwight >From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwightk.elvey(a)amd.com> > >Hi > By the way, there is a company in Texas some place that >is actually making DTL and most likely RTL as well. They >make parts for obsolete equipment. I've lost the url >but I found it with a search on the web. I was always >afraid to even ask what they were charging for the >parts ( most were mil spec as well ). >Dwight > > >>From: "Arlen Michaels" <arlen(a)acm.org> >> >>on 31/7/02 3:12 PM, Ethan Dicks at erd_6502(a)yahoo.com wrote: >> >>> I am looking for some DTL chips to make a repro W706/W707 TTY >>> interface set for my Straight-8 and PDP-8/S (got *no* serial >>> I/O for them. :-( ) >>> >>> http://www.pdp8.net/w-boards/pics/w706.shtml?small >>> http://www.pdp8.net/w-boards/pics/w707.shtml?small >>> >>> The chips there are: >>> >>> W707 >>> MC799 Dual Power Buffer (1) >>> MC790 Dual J-K Flip-Flop (8) >>> MC724 Quad Input Gate (5) >>> MC789 Hex Inverter (5) >>> W706 >>> MC790 Dual J-K Flip-Flop (9) >>> MC789 Hex Inverter (6) >>> MC724 Quad Input Gate (5) >>> MC799 Dual Power Buffer (1) >> >>The MC7xx were RTL, not DTL. Motorola made them. They typically used a >3.6 >>volt power supply, like the Fairchild uL9xx RTL series of the same era >(late >>'60s I think). >> >>Arlen Michaels >> >> > > >

23 years, 8 months

Fortran Coding Form Pads...

by florit＠unixville.com

Yes, they are 80x24. I plan to scan one of them for netposterity. :) Will post link when I get it done. Anyone know where the genesis of 80x24/40x24 screen dimensions (and quite a few other devices) has its origination in? I remember my old dot matrix epson used to be 80 columns wide, and most of the older 8 bit computers had 40 or 80 cols by 24 or 25 rows. "But why?" he cried... Regards, Louis From: "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Fortran Coding Form Pads... Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 21:45:07 -0600 Organization: Erlacher Associates Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Are these the ones with 24 lines of 80 columns? Several major vendors modeled their coding forms after the U.S. military coding forms, presumably cooked up by the Navy. I've only seen the blue ones, (blue lines) which I presume were patterned after the USAF ones. They worked great for coding when the work product was going to that huge room full of mini-skirted (back then) keypunch operators. (I'd have given a week's pay for a couple of hours hours to fish around in that room ... <sigh> ... ) I did, BTW, code in Fortran back then. Dick

23 years, 8 months

C question

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: I have another C issue that I can't seem to see the answer for, so I thought I'd throw it out to the masses. I'm deep into the Altair 680b emulation project (base code done, working on telnet access) and I'm experiencing problems reading a file stream into the memory array. Here's snippets of the code: <SNIP> byte *ppmem ; // pointer into memory array byte ucMem[3*65536] ; // actual memory-see defines below for usage // roms[] is an array of structures defining start-time loaded ROMs. Only one ROM now //(the monitor PROM), but flexible enough to allow bank-switched ROMs (not applicable //in the 680b but a leftover from the 6800 processor emulation code that was borrowed //for the project) // //MEM_xxx are defines for the offset into the ucMem array to various areas #define MEM_RAM 0 #define MEM_ROM 0x10000 #define MEM_FLAGS 0x20000 FILE *pFH ; // open file, etc. //create while loop to walk through roms[] array // Read ROM directly to memory. This works. ppmem = &ucMem[roms[i].iROMStart + MEM_ROM] ; fread(ppmem, sizeof(byte), roms[i].iROMLen, pFH) ; //this doesn't work... //fread(&ucMem[roms[i].iROMStart + MEM_ROM], sizeof(byte), roms[i].iROMLen, pFH) ; //...nor does this //fread((char *)ucMem[roms[i].iROMStart + MEM_ROM], sizeof(byte), roms[i].iROMLen, pFH) ; // Set flags for ROM memset(&ucMem[roms[i].iROMStart + MEM_FLAGS], 1, roms[i].iROMLen) ; </SNIP> So here's where I'm missing it. Under all three fread scenarios, the compiler doesn't throw a warning...they all compile cleanly. But only the first works. This sounds like one of those "What's the Bug" ads from DDJ. What am I missing? Rich

23 years, 8 months

C question

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Erik: No errors or warnings are emitted by the compiler, so the way I'm determining that the various functions work or not work is by looking at a "core dump" of the emulator memory (performed by another routine). In all but the first example, the memory is empty (they remain the initialized value of 0). The first way, the emulator memory indeed shows the contents of the loaded ROM. I've "watched" the contents of the roms array and have also outputted the values to the debug screen. The values are as expected. Rich -----Original Message----- From: Eric J. Korpela [mailto:korpela@ssl.berkeley.edu] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:34 PM To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: C question > // Read ROM directly to memory. This works. > ppmem = &ucMem[roms[i].iROMStart + MEM_ROM] ; > fread(ppmem, sizeof(byte), roms[i].iROMLen, pFH) ; > > //this doesn't work... > //fread(&ucMem[roms[i].iROMStart + MEM_ROM], sizeof(byte), roms[i].iROMLen, > pFH) ; > > //...nor does this > //fread((char *)ucMem[roms[i].iROMStart + MEM_ROM], sizeof(byte), > roms[i].iROMLen, pFH) ; > > So here's where I'm missing it. Under all three fread scenarios, the > compiler doesn't throw a warning...they all compile cleanly. But only the > first works. Lack of warnings or code don't have anything to do with whether the code is correct... The last one is the easiest to figure out.... Call fread with the following parameters: 1. byte value at address (ucMem+roms[i].iROMStart+MEM_ROM) converted into a pointer to type char. 2. The value 1 (assuming byte is typedefed to "unsigned char") 3. The value stored in roms[i].iROMLen 4. The value stored in pFH. It's fairly easy to see why the first parameter is wrong... No warning is issued because the type of the first parameter is correct. Without the typecast, a warning should be issued. The previous two look equivalent to me. I don't really see a significant difference. Are you sure "i" and "roms" are set to what you think it should be. Personally, I would have written the first parameter as "ucMem+roms[i].iROMStart+MEM_ROM" as I think it more clearly represents what you mean. What is the error reported? What are the return values from fread? (You should be checking that the return value equals roms[i].iROMLen.) Eric

23 years, 8 months

Anyone using their old Mac?

by Gavin.Haines1＠btopenworld.com

On Thu, Aug 1, 2002 6:00 pm, "Tom Owad" <owad(a)applefritter.com>wrote: >I've got a couple of 128's that act as shelf supports for some of my >Commodore equipment - so I guess you could say that they are "still in >use" :-) Hi all. I have just subscribed. I have the following equipment. BBC Micro. 32k, Apple II+ 48k, Apple IIc, Macintosh Classic 4/80, Amiga A500, Macintosh LC II with Apple IIe card, Macintosh iMac Bondi Blue. Of all these only the iMac is in regular use. The LC II is sitting on the floor beside me. It is semi in use. Or rather it is ready for use to connect to the Internet should the iMac need to be sent for service (this has happened twice since I have had it). The other computers are all in the cupboard under the stairs. All are in working order, or were in working order. Projects I have done are: 1. Connected the Apple II to the BBC Micro using the games socket on the Apple and transfered data successfully. (hard) 2. Connected the BBC Micro to the Amiga and transferred data to a BBC Micro emulator program which runs on the Amiga. 3. Downloaded disk images off the Internet using the Mac Classic and transferred them to the Apple IIc using Mac ADT. 3. Connected the Apple II to the Amiga using serial card without instructions. Card is marked 7710A (hard) 4. Transferred data to the iMac from the LC II via the Internet. 5. Connected the LCII to the internet. (Easy) a) browsed the internet with Mac web (slow) b) used Eudora for email c) Claris emailer seems better 6. Connected the Mac Classic to the Internet using S7.1 and S7.5.5 7. Printed on Epson Stylus Color 740 from LC II. (Easy, send disk images of 68k version of printer driver which is on Bondi iMac's install CD). 8 Connected to Lost Gonzo using Cyberdog. Any telnet client will do. Is here: telnet://lost-gonzo.com Projects I have not been able to do. 1. Connect any Macintosh running System 6 to the internet 2. Connect a 5.25 Disk II drive to the LC II card http://home.swbell.net/rubywand/Csa2FDRIVE.html

23 years, 8 months

Anyone using their old Mac?

by mythtech＠mac.com

>ISTR doing that with MacTCP 1.x (an addon install, not included >in System 6) and a SCSI<->Ethernet box. I'm fairly certain that >the ethernet box came with System 6 drivers, but if someone here >knows that it flat-out can't be done, then I'm probably mistaken. >I have never tried it with dial-up, if that's what you mean. I don't recall if I have ever personally done it... but I see no reason it CAN'T be done. There are MacTCP drivers for System 6, and at least the Asante SCSI->Ethernet box has System 6 drivers available. There are also System 6 drivers for the Farallon Etherwave localtalk->ethernet adaptor, however, the Etherwave doesn't support TCP/IP (limit of the Appletalk, not of the etherwave), so you have to use MacIP (TCP/IP wrapped in AppleTalk), and a MacIP to TCP/IP bridge (like IPNetRouter running on another Mac). And again, I see no reason it can't be done. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 8 months

OT: Digital Watch Recommendations?

by mythtech＠mac.com

>I like BIG, HEAVY, INDUSTRIAL watches, so none of those effeminate >little dressy things! It isn't really gadgety... but I feel I need to say it anyway. DO NOT buy a Pulsar Spoon watch. They are more on the "dressy" side, but they are definitly big and heavy... and they suck royal ass!!! A friend of mine talked me into buying one (he used to sell them at an upscale watch store, the place had things like Movado's and Rolex, and a typical watch there was $4,000). I wanted a digital watch that went against the norm and had a black display with highlighted numbers rather than the norm grey/white display with shadowed numbers. The spoon has that (black display, with a red light to illuminate the numbers... display looks very much like an old LED TI calculator). It was one of the cheapest watches they sold there at $160. It broke about a month after I got it (light stopped working... and you NEED the light to see the display). It went back, was repaired (after about a 6 week wait). Then about 3 or 4 months later... broke again... went back again, was repaired (another 6 weeks). Repeat as needed. It has been back 4 times total... and as of right now, the light turns on when you just brush the watch, and all other buttons work when they want to. When I bitched to my friend that the watch sucks shit... he told me "What do you expect for a $160 watch"... oh, I don't know... for $160 I expect it will offer me head! I am in the process of digging out my $20 Casio that I had prior... it also had a black display (with grey numbers), and unlike this attractive peice of shit on my wrist now... it worked just fine. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 8 months

Way OT How to set Microsoft Outlook as plain ASCII only.

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: McFadden, Mike > > I'm tired of bothering you'll with the mime junk. My clueless helpdesk > can't help. I don't use address books. I'm forced to use outlook. How > do I set all of my messages to plain ASCII? I've tried google searches and > even read the book at the library, I'm still sending MIME. I tried just > lurking but I want to contribute. > > Thanks > Mike > mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu > You're using it on a PC, right? Well, on a per-message basis, you can change it under the Format menu, then select Plain Text. For all new outgoing messages, it's under Options, the IIRC, Mail format... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

23 years, 8 months

Way OT How to set Microsoft Outlook as plain ASCII only.

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

I'm tired of bothering you'll with the mime junk. My clueless helpdesk can't help. I don't use address books. I'm forced to use outlook. How do I set all of my messages to plain ASCII? I've tried google searches and even read the book at the library, I'm still sending MIME. I tried just lurking but I want to contribute. Thanks Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

23 years, 8 months

WTD: support ICs

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi By the way, there is a company in Texas some place that is actually making DTL and most likely RTL as well. They make parts for obsolete equipment. I've lost the url but I found it with a search on the web. I was always afraid to even ask what they were charging for the parts ( most were mil spec as well ). Dwight >From: "Arlen Michaels" <arlen(a)acm.org> > >on 31/7/02 3:12 PM, Ethan Dicks at erd_6502(a)yahoo.com wrote: > >> I am looking for some DTL chips to make a repro W706/W707 TTY >> interface set for my Straight-8 and PDP-8/S (got *no* serial >> I/O for them. :-( ) >> >> http://www.pdp8.net/w-boards/pics/w706.shtml?small >> http://www.pdp8.net/w-boards/pics/w707.shtml?small >> >> The chips there are: >> >> W707 >> MC799 Dual Power Buffer (1) >> MC790 Dual J-K Flip-Flop (8) >> MC724 Quad Input Gate (5) >> MC789 Hex Inverter (5) >> W706 >> MC790 Dual J-K Flip-Flop (9) >> MC789 Hex Inverter (6) >> MC724 Quad Input Gate (5) >> MC799 Dual Power Buffer (1) > >The MC7xx were RTL, not DTL. Motorola made them. They typically used a 3.6 >volt power supply, like the Fairchild uL9xx RTL series of the same era (late >'60s I think). > >Arlen Michaels > >

23 years, 8 months

Mac SE/30's available (was Re: Anyone using their old Mac?)

by mythtech＠mac.com

>One disturbing trend nowdays is that 99% of the computers >come with out any software or manuals. Sure you can get that >machine for $10 but if the OS is bad or you want to install >software you are out of luck. True on a general note, but at least with the SE/30 referenced, you can get System 6.0.8 from Apple's web site, as well as System 7.5.3 (and the .5 updater). Which means, really, you can fairly easily get that SE/30 resetup with an OS. And then there is NetBSD which runs on the SE/30 pretty happily (or so I have been told... personally, every time I get to the point of booting, something else on my SE/30 breaks, no fault of NetBSD... just a nasty string of coincidence). NetBSD is of course a free download as well. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 8 months

Fortran Coding Form Pads...

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Speaking of odd screen widths, the Osborne I was 52 characters wide. With the 80-column upgrade, you could also get 104 characters on the Osborne's tiny screen. (Using 60-character lines in WordStar, the screen would jump-scroll whenever you reached the last part of a line -- a rea PITA. Until I got the 80-column upgrade, I would write using a 50-character line and reformat to 60 before printing.) -----Original Message----- From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:19 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Fortran Coding Form Pads... > > > Certainly, screen dimensions were modelled after punched cards: There > were 80 columns on a punched card, and once everybody was used to that > line length, it was an obvious choice to make the screen just as wide - > except for a couple of clever guys who made the screen 64 columns wide, > which happens to be a power of two. I've seen 132 column screens too (why 132???) but did anyone ever try to make a 128 column screen (or printer)? It would seem to be a logical size to make it, but I've never seen one. -tony

23 years, 8 months

Harddisks with SA1000 interface

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

*Drool* I'd kill for a DN300 or 330 or any model of Apollo... especially a DN10000... hehe... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

23 years, 8 months

Fortran coding forms VS. dollar bills

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

FYI the last year of large-size dollar bills (and larger denominations), was 1923. I personally own a Series 1923 1 Dollar bill and would be willing to scan it and measure it if there is interest... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

23 years, 8 months

Harddisks with SA1000 interface

by P.Gebhardt＠gmx.de

Hello everybody ! A Micropolis 8" HDD (1222-i), I got 1 year ago and anaother Quantum 8" drive (Q2020) are equipped with a SA1000 Interface. I'd like to test (and save) them but I don't know wich systems support that kind of interface. Does anybody know any systems, which support these drives ? I found manuals for the Quantum drive but I found nothing for the Micropolis drive on google. What is the configuration for the power connector ? Thanks alot for any help ! Pierre -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net

23 years, 8 months

Okilaser 400 2Meg memory card

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

Bare card, no memory chips (takes 44256 DRAM). Anyone need one? Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

23 years, 8 months

Vax 8600 on Ebay

by fernande＠internet1.net

I thought this would be a good canidate to post to the list. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2042185013 Is the seller or bidder here on the list? Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

23 years, 8 months

Teletypes (more update) (William Donzelli)

by mross666＠hotmail.com

>I'm certainly up for a 33 and a 35. And I can pick up, if they're local to >NYC... William's warehouse is in Paterson NJ, so about 20-30 minutes from NYC. However, I think he is only there during the day, during the week. If you can't work with that schedule, if William lets me go back, I can grab you a 35 and stick it in my storage garage, but you will have to pick it up before the end of August (my rental price doubles starting in Sept, so I plan to have everything out before then). My garage is in Ho-Ho-Kus NJ, which is also about 20-30 minutes from NYC. But I have 24x7 access to the garage, and since I live about 10 blocks from it (and work about 10 blocks the other direction from it), I can meet you there pretty much any day or time for pickup. Of course, I have to figure out how to get a 35 back out of my van and into my garage all by myself... that will be a serious challenge. Chris, Appreciate it. A 35 would be most cool. Hopefully I can get out there myself to help you pick it up - or just pick it up myself. (let's take the logistics off-list). I would also go for a 33 - I don't have a working one this side of the pond. If the price were halfways reasonable I'd take one of the 'new' 33s that were mentioned a few posts back! Cheers Mike http://www.corestore.org _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

23 years, 8 months

Aahhh, Relief!

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

My Gods. A responsible vendor. I am agog. I snarked an RRD46 (12x CD) drive off eBay a couple of weeks ago. It came in today, except it says RRD45. :( Like I wanted another 4x CD drive. I fired of a reasonably polite, low-intensity complaint to the seller, and less than an hour later, got an apology, an offer of a full refund including shipping or replacement if they still have an RRD46, and an offer, if I pay for the return shipping, to give me "extra" credit on any future purchase. Which I'm likely to do. I've been fighting off a client who thinks his 5 grand for a solid week's work entails lifetime support & handholding, not to mention training of his dweebs. All week I've been trying to get NextCard to quit hitting my bank with a completely unauthorized $125 direct withdrawal. They admit it's entirely their fault, but insist that they can't stop the withdrawal! They say _I_ have to put a stop on the charges at the bank. Meanwhile, they are adding charges to my credit card for late payment and over-limit, because they have the payment I did authorize, and which did clear the bank, on hold. Because there's a "dispute". I'm up three levels of their complaint desk, and have yet to speak to anyone who admits to any peculiarity in their actions. "But we already promised to pay the INS fees and the stop payment at your bank!" But not the late fees, nor my time off work, nor the expense of faxing them all the documentation. I can't even get a solid promise to drop all _their_ extra charges, incurred because THEY screwed up! I'd much rather "twmaster", the eBay dealer, had sent me the right thing to start with. But it's damn nice for somebody to own up to their shit, and make good on it. Doc

23 years, 8 months

Teletypes (more more)

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Kent Borg" <kentborg(a)borg.org> > >Teletypes in New Jersey, and I am in Boston. Damn. > >-kb > Hi Maybe we could get someone that is in the area to deal with shipping various items ( for a small overhead ). I could use a few items myself, for a 33. Of course an entire machine would make a good spare but shipping cost a lot and they really are too heavy to put in a cardboard box ( that is why I need some parts ). Is there anyone in the area that could work as a middle man? Dwight wish list: 1. Outside plastic case for a asr33. 2. Tape reader latch or spare reader. 3. Power module for a tape reader.

23 years, 8 months

WTD: support ICs

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I'm always looking for DTL chips. Finding these would be great. Anyone with some of these hiding away or some old surplus board with them on it, I'd be interested. I forget the numbers I need but one is a open collector nand ( something like 935? but that sounds like a RTL). I'll have to make list. Dwight

23 years, 8 months

Multibus ST-506/QIC-02 (was: Re: SGI IRIS 1400 ...)

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk > >> > If this is the head lock solenoid, do you get any voltage across it when >> > the drive is attempting to spin up? >> >> I think I did get voltage on that connector when it seemed to pull in. >> I'll have to double check though. > >Yes, please do. We'll both feel right idiots if we spend time looking in >the servo circuitry and that real reaso the heads can't move is becuase >they're locked. > >> > Unless you have a clean box, I would do a few more checks outside the >> > HDA first >> >> Well, ok :P > >It's up to you, it's your drive. And don't you think the HDA has been >opened before? If that's the case, then it might not do any more daamge >to pull the cover again. > >-tony > > Hi I haven't been following this thread but I thought I'd add: When working inside of disk drives, wear a mask ( the ones you get from the drug store work fine ). Also, don't work in a room that has had someone smoking or while someone is frying stuff in the kitchen. Most dust particles are large enough that the head just kicks it of into the filter. Smoke particles are the right size to cause head crashes, as is a little bit of spittle from a sneeze or speech. Also, don't rotate the disk backwards, the heads will cut into the surface and damage them. Dwight

23 years, 8 months

Teletypes (more update) (William Donzelli)

by mythtech＠mac.com

23 years, 8 months

Anyone using their old Mac?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 7/31/2002 2:01:18 PM Central Daylight Time, foo(a)siconic.com writes: << Does anyone here still use their old (say pre-1990) Macintosh as a regular practice? Sellam Ismail Well, it's not old enough, but I finally had success in getting a Quadra 800 with PPC card up and running on my network and through the router for net access. Pretty neat machine. I presume earlier macs with ethernics and system 7.x would be similar. NOTE: if you use ASANTE NICs, I found out that they don't always like to establish a connection with a 100mb hub/router. To get this mac working, I had to plug it into a 10mb hub, and then into the router.

23 years, 8 months

Horse's ass

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Not really. According to http://www.railway.org/railroadgauge.htm, one of several railroad gauges used in England by George Stephenson, and the one that became popular in the US (over the objection, in a way, of President Lincoln, who proposed a 5' gauge), was based on a 5 foot spacing of cart wheels. Subtracting 2 inches for each rail gave 4'8". Stevenson later widened the spacing by 1/2" because (for unspecified reasons), that worked better. See also A.W. Worth's reported comments in http://www.spikesys.com/Trains/st_gauge.html; and http://www.straightdope.com/columns/000218.html -----Original Message----- From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:14 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: OT: Horse's ass <snip> So it is not myth. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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