- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

NO!!!! I just tried to run a SYSGEN on my RT-11 system, and I seem to have lost the filesystem when it started to rebuild the system. I'm able to boot to another partition (gotta love that WQESD controller), and I get the following results: .dir du2: <-DU2: is my main RT-11 disk ?DIR-F-Invalid directory . Please tell me there is a way to recover (unfortuanlty I doubt there is). I wasn't smart enough to make backups and everything I've been working on was on that partition. I'm seriously bummed. However, I finally got smart and made a bootable TK-50 so if need be I can load RT-11 without to much difficulty (other than having to type in the bootstrap by hand). First I can't get TCP/IP to work, and now this.... :^( Looks like once I get everything back together I'll be starting on that from scratch, which might be good. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

27 years

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S100 boards, including Electric Mouth, 2650 processor card, RAM

by dogas＠leading.net

-----Original Message----- From: Andrew Davie <adavie(a)mad.scientist.com> Boo... Hiss... How much? ;) - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

27 years

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Xerox 800 ?

by dogas＠leading.net

Two Xerox 800 system units with dual tape drives and associated typewriter/terminals are now at a local thrift. They appear to be large (each of the them I guess would top 100lbs) word processing systems with many(?) logged years. Do these have any redeeming value to anyone (expect *serious* dents in your 1)wallet/purse for shipping, and 2)living/storage space for size) ? Or am I missing something I should nab? ;) Regards, all - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

27 years

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Daily Laugh!

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

> You could subscribe from that address, and then tell the list processor > to postpone sending you anything there, and never cancel the postpone > order. I *think* you could still post from that address. Of course, > the list processor may eventually explode, holding back all that postponed > mail... (Would it actually hold copies of all that, or just drop it?) I have used Postpone in the past when I have been away from work and not on such a good phone line as this. It doesn't keep messages waiting for me - I just start again wherever the list has got to when I SET CLASSICCMP MAIL ACK. Philip.

27 years

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KL power question

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Whilst I sat cursing the PeeCee I was setting up [Win95: Holy Fsck! That's an AGP slot! How the hell do I talk to that? Oh well. 16 colors it is!] Toad says to me: [*** Warning: AC power has failed ***] [*** AC power has been restored ***] Hmm. Toad has an UPS. This provokes a question: Did KLs (Or any -10) have UPSes? Did TOPS know how to talk to an UPS, or is this an XKL hack? I bet it would be one hell of an UPS to run all that ECL... -------

27 years

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IBM 9075 - the PC-RADIO (OT?)

by roblwill＠usaor.net

This may be OT, but the computer is a bit unique in its own way (in the fact that there's only two that I've ever heard of/know exist - the one that I have and the one that the person I got it off of still has) It's an IBM 9075 Laptop PC radio. One of the neat things about it is its display. Looking at it, it's reflective (silver), but when it's turned on, it's backlit, and after it boots, the backlight can be turned off under bright light. Anyone have any info on this thing? I just picked on up, and got it to "boot" by connecting a Mac power supply to the battery terminals (7.5v). It came up with the backlight, then did the 640k memory test gave a CMOS battery date error, then booted to drive D, which is a ROM drive. I took it apart, and it has no HD or floppy, an 80186 processor, a modem, and a "Motorola Cellular Packet Radio". First thing: where could I find a power supply for it? The connector is an odd round 4-pin plug. Next: Where can I find IC cards? It has what looks like a PCMCIA slot, but a PC card won't fit, and it is apparently for IC RAM (ROM?) cards. Last: How does the Packet Radio thing work? Where could I find drivers, or an antenna or something for it? Or should I contact Motorola? The computer was apparently used by a Sears Service tech, but that's all I can figure out so far. ThAnX, -- -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1>

27 years

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PDP paper tape - PC04/PC05 (offer to trade)!

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

Sorry bout that last post, hit the wrong button ;) J

27 years

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Need some O.T. help

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

I realize this is way OT, but hope someone can give me some advice. I am trying to install an ATX MB in an ATX case. All jumpers have been set by the book. There is a switch on the power supply, and another on the front of the case. This latter is a momentary contact type. With the MB outside the case on a wooden surface and nothing connected except the power supply plug and the front push button, all that I get is a twitch from the cpu cooling fan, on only the first push, after that nothing until it sets for a while. Since this is the first time I have tangled with an ATX I have no spare parts to substitute, so any help on how this power supply is supposed to operate would be much appreciated. Regards Charlie Fox Charles E. Fox Chas E. Fox Video Productions 793 Argyle Rd. Windsor N8Y 3J8 Ont. Canada email foxvideo(a)wincom.net Homepage http://www.wincom.net/foxvideo

27 years

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new toy!

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Gee, you are discouraging me, Allison! Out here, ST-351A/Xs have been <common as armpits. Everyone seems to have a couple! Seemed like a <neat/cheap idea. Guess not, though, as you point out below. Arond here they are scarce, I have one but it's model that has been reputed to be unreliable at best. 8bit IDE is an easy interface though. But the interface is less than half the work no matter what. <But again, if you have the TurboRom - and it is readily available - you <have all that. Turborom doesn't know about IDE or hard disk. <Of course, it's still CP/M. We haven't changed that. I have an ST-125N <on my Ampro and it makes a LOT of partitions. Many more than I use, in <fact, but I think I paid $5 for it, so who cares. Or you can use P2dos/novados/suprbdos replacements and run a half gig. I've been the route. I have three s100 crates with hard disk, an Ampro, SB180 and two other in the works so I've been there. FYI my kaypro does have a 2mb ramdisk... much faster than hard drive. Just a same that the kaypro is so slow compared to my other 4mhz systems. Allison

27 years

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TI99: WP and PC

by geoffrob＠stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au

-----Original Message----- From: Hans Franke <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, 3 February 1999 4:54 Subject: Re: TI99: WP and PC >> I've got some bits of a Nixdorf something or other. Basically it's the >> backplane, minus the rack and mountings, plus the power supply, some drives, >> and cables and a couple of boxes full of modules. >> Chip dates are around 74. Anyone know anything about Nixdorfs of this era? > >Can you support any part numbers or model numbers ? >I have access to some Nixdorf information bases that >may give a hint. I think the modules have id numbers on them. Will compile and post to the list. Thanks! Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Marks College Port Pirie South Australia. My ICQ# is 1970476 Ph. 61-411-623-978 (Mobile) 61-8-8633-0619 (Home) 61-8-8633-8834 (Work-Direct) 61-8-8633-0104 (Fax)

27 years

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8-bit IDE (was Re: new toy!)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Is there any specific information out there about W.D.'s implementation <of XT-IDE? It is documented some in the QUE book Upgrading and repairing PCs 3rd edition I have. Allison

27 years

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Indiana Jones and the...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<The original design for the Altair as presented in those fateful issues of <"Popular Electronics" had no bus or backplane, but was just four circuit <boards wired together with ribbon cable. (as shown in a picture in part on <of the article) < <It would seem, that true seekers of the 'Holy Grail' would be trying to <determine if any machines in that original configuration were ever actuall <shipped! And then the task would be to find one of those! There were only a few and they were the prototypes. <Now, THAT would be on a par with the Apple I ! Eh? No that would exceed the Apple I as they are like flies (it was a production machine) compared to prototypes. Allison

27 years

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tube CD player (was Re: sizes (was Re: vacuum tube computer))

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:44:35 +0000 (GMT) ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) writes: >> >> Tony Duell wrote: >> > A photomultiplier isn't that bad to use. OK, it needs a kilovolt >or so of >> > EHT. But apart from that it's a fairly easy device to connect up >and get >> > a useable signal from. There should be a lot of them still about, >and >> > small ones aren't that expensive second-hand. >> >> The tricky part is how to mate this with the mechanical assembly. >Even >> the laserdisc players that used a HeNe laser still used a >semiconductor >> photodetector that was directly mounted on the sled. > >I assume the HeNe tube didn't move with the sled, right (far to much >mass, the servo would never lock). Couldn't you do something similar >with >the photomultiplier - mount it on the chassis and somehow direct the >light beam onto it? Actually, I saw a prototype laserdisk player in a museum somewhere (I think it was in the LA Museum of Science , but it was a long time ago) that had the following arrangement: The HeNe laser tube was bolted down, along with some optics, and a spinning platter/servo motor mounted on a carriage. The *PLATTER* moved during seeks! It was really quite bizarre to watch. They used a *BIG* servo motor to move the carriage, if memory serves. Jeff ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

27 years

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Gorilla manual

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

A couple of weeks ago someone was asking about a Gorilla Banana printer. Today I found the onwer's manual for my old Gorilla monochrome monitor. Does anyone need it? Joe

27 years

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PDP paper tape - PC04/PC05 (offer to trade)!

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

Don't know if anyone can help on this, but wanted to post this query to the kind folks here... I have a PDP-8E system, but it appears that the previous owner got many of the parts from different sources. The system has a paper tape reader/punch, but it's for a PDP-11 (PC05) not for a PDP-8 (PC04). I have some information that shows how to convert a PC05 into a PC04 so I can use it with the 8E, but I would prefer to not have to do the conversion unless absolutely necessary (I don't like to mess with historical accuracy if at all possible). So - does anyone have a working PC04 paper tape reader/punch that they would want to trade for a working PC05 paper tape reader/punch? Thanks mucho! Jay West

27 years

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Indiana Jones and the...

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 11:31 PM 2/1/99 -0800, Sam wrote: >On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Doug wrote: > > >You dumb-ass! Geez, Sam, it's too early for April fool's day! Joe

27 years

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Honeywell DPS 6 Hard drives

by enigma＠intop.net

I have a Honeywell DPS 6, nice computer, really, but I've got a problem. There is one of these weird fixed disk/removable cartridge drives (yes that is a fixed disk and removable cartridge in one) that has a broken belt that runs between the drive spindle and the motor. It is this weird small v-belt. There is also this large hard drive in another cabinet that connects to the thing using DB37 connectors, IIRC. I'm not sure of how to connect it to the computer, nor do I have the cables. I do know the box runs GCOS6, which from what I hear is a cross between GCOS and Unix. Hooray for me, if I can get it working. Although it is supposedly not y2k compliant, but I think that is just a ploy so Bull can get you to spend money on an upgrade. :-) Any hints or tips or free belts for that thing, or places to get belts for that thing, would be appreciated. Any help on running GCOS6 would be nice, as in how do I get the super user account on it? How do I add users, etc. On a different note, I may start a list for buying and selling old computer stuff, everything but PCs, pretty soon, if interest is good enough. Please email me personally at "enigma(a)intop.net" if you would like to see something like that. Regards, J.S. Havard

27 years

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Euro on old computers

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Hans Franke" <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> wrote: > BTW: this E symbol is one of the 4 most stupid ideas around > the euro - a typical pice of shit like most ideas developed > by politicians. Don't get me wrong, the Euro is a good idea, > but they tried to make it as stupid as possible. The cynic in me wonders whether the funny-looking E isn't something pushed either before or after the political accomplishment by computer companies wanting to churn the installed base. I mean, Y2K has a definite sell-by date. So does this but I think it's another couple years out, right? ObCC: so what did you UKans do to get your funny-looking L on computers, terminals, and printers imported from ASCII-speaking countries? -Frank McConnell

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tube CD player (was Re: sizes (was Re: vacuum tube computer))

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 1, 23:30, Eric Smith wrote: > Of course. It would use a HeNe laser, just like the early laser video > disc players. > > The part I haven't figured out is the photodetector. Even those early LD > players used a phototransistor for the detector. Would a selenium cell be fast enough? A CdS photresistor probably wouldn't be, I think. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

27 years

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vacuum tube computer

by Jgzabol＠aol.com

In einer eMail vom 31.01.1999 23:58:22, schreiben Sie: << I wonder if bit-serial would be simpler (less data path, more control logic, basically). A lot of the valved machines were bit-serial for this reason. [...] I simply find bit-serial AWFUL - so much time wasted !!! Anything should be designed to get the max. performance out of given technology/budget, in my opinion; bit-serial certainly then would be a good solution for a LONG word, like 30-60 bit, doing floating point, if and only if budget limits do not allow paralell, but not for smaller things. THAT is the reason for the historic machines - they wanted floating point, therefore long words, therefore serial because of budget/size/etc constraints. > Am amazed you couls build a computer like this with ~400 cards ~800 tubes. > That is similar to building a complete computer with 200 SSI TTL chips like > a 7400. Especially since a 24 bit latch could use 24 of the cards. I tried This doesn't sound out of line. The CPU of the PDP8/e on my desk is 3 quad cards of TTL, mostly simple gates. Perhapes 250chips total. OK, some of them are more complex (like full adder circuits), but there's nothing that big in there. > a design once (on paper) with MSI ic's like 74193 counters, and it quickly > got out of hand, 100's of ic's. If you're going to allow anything in the TTL data book, then you can trivially make a CPU in 200 chips. You have to cheat slightly (74181 ALUs, small PROMs, etc), but it can be done. It has been done - many times. -tony >> The big difference is in the basic AND-OR-INVERT tube gate used: only one half tube (the INVERT, one triode section out of a dual triode tube) is used, but a lot of diodes doing the ANDs and ORs, so that one tube section is equivalent to MORE than a standard SSI 74xx IC. Typically, I would say one AND-OR-INVERT, i.e. one tube section plus associated diodes and resistors is equivalent to about one entire 74xx package, so one tube is equivalent to about two packages, on the average. John G. Zabolitzky

27 years

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CD-RW Drive

by musicman38＠mindspring.com

->One detail that you might need to check: does the CD-RW share the IDE >channel with the CD-ROM? A lot of recorders will spit out bad CD's >because of this. I've had two drives that either wouldn't record at the >right speed or would bomb when writing the table of contents to the disc. > >Brett I think you may have something here Brett, Yes they do share the same IDE cable, one is Master , one is slave.. Problem is I also have a master & slave ide hard drive on the other cable.. I will try changing the cableing, did not know this was a problem, the book does not tell of this potential problem of sharing two cdrom drives on the same ide cable.. Phil...

27 years

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Euro on old computers

by fauradon＠pclink.com

>For ASCII text we tend to use 'L', 'UKP', 'GBP', or \pounds to mean a >pound sign. Or do what at least one catalogue I have (a current >catalogue, BTW), and give all prices in pence. This catalogue includes >things like 3600p (meaning \pounds 36.00), I guess because they couldn't >print a pound sign. Which brings up the question: What is the symbol or abbreviation for one hundredth of a Euro? Francois > > >-tony >

27 years

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TI99: WP and PC

by netcafe＠pirie.mtx.net.au

-----Original Message----- From: Hans Franke <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, 2 February 1999 3:49 Subject: Re: TI99: WP and PC >P.S.: I've been told there was a Nixdorf computer where they > build a (TTL) CPU based on the 9900 design. I've got some bits of a Nixdorf something or other. Basically it's the backplane, minus the rack and mountings, plus the power supply, some drives, and cables and a couple of boxes full of modules. Chip dates are around 74. Anyone know anything about Nixdorfs of this era? Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Room Internet Cafe Port Pirie South Australia. netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au

27 years

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RT-11 and TCP/IP

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

OK, I'm back to trying to get Alan Baldwin's TCP/IP package running on RT-11. I've gone over the install procedure and am sure I'm doing it right. Tonite I was trying for both TSX+ and the RT-11 XM monitor using the EQ driver, and also the NQ driver that came with RT-11 for the XM monitor. I know the ethernet board is good as I'm able to use it under RSX-11M for DECnet. Howver, I'm getting the following error when I try to use FTP to connect to one of my other systems on my network. .ftpsb 192.168.1.41 FTPSB-11 V02.24 1-Nov-1998 Board initialization failed!. Error code=11 netinit() failed . Can anyone translate this and tell me what I'm doing? Has anyone here managed to successfully install the software? The other problem is that while the instructions say that the EQ drivers included will work on a system running the SJ or FB monitors, I can't get the driver to load. Yes, I realize it's not normal for the SJ/FB monitors to be able to use a EQ driver. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

27 years

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Indiana Jones and the... (was list (was: Daily Laugh!))

by mbg＠world.std.com

I hope you're kidding about the Altair serial number 1... I would rather hope that he would be investigated for 1) stealing it in the first place, or 2) accepting stolen property... Megan

27 years

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Indiana Jones and the...

by dogas＠leading.net

-----Original Message----- From: Doug <doug(a)blinkenlights.com> >No it doesn't. Here's the Real Story (TM): Ed Roberts had a publication >deadline... damn... I was envisioning BIllG and PaulA on horseback jumping onto the roof of a speeding train with guns (and whips) in hand... I'll have to cancel that memo to Steve Spielburg.... Heh... Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

27 years

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Z3 builders

by brett＠xnet.com

I was wandering around the net and found - 4PDT relays with sockets. Price - $2.00 - 24DC coils. Email me to get some while thier hot - er - available 8-) Wasn't it you Derek? BC

27 years

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1130 has been claimed

by Anthony.Eros＠digital.com

This looks like a great candidate for a well-documented restoration -- I'll be taking a ton of photographs and will welcome any and all suggestions and pointers to parts, etc. Thanks! -- Tony ---------- From: Christian Fandt[SMTP:cfandt@netsync.net] Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sent: Monday, February 01, 1999 5:50 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: 1130 has been claimed Very good! Now Tony, you have the responsibility to completely photograph this machine and try to find a correct keyboard and PSU. Some of us will appreciate seeing the photos and comments to learn (or relive!) this interesting machine. I know I'll keep an eye cocked for the parts to help get this machine restored. And to think this machine was only about 3 or 4 hours drive from here! Good luck with it :) Regards, Chris Upon the date 05:35 PM 2/1/99 -0500, Brad Ackerman said something like: >Tony Eros was the first to respond (by 90 minutes), and so claims the >computer. Thanks for all the offers -- I really didn't want to see this >computer junked. > >Christian: [re your query] The machine has been sitting in an office as >is for a while. I imagine the missing parts got Dumpstered(tm) long ago, >unfortunately. > >Brad Ackerman N1MNB "...faced with the men and women who bring home >bsa3(a)cornell.edu the pork, voters almost always re-elect them." >http://skaro.pair.com/ -- _The Economist_, 31 Oct 1998 Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/

27 years

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Plato terminal

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 1/30/99 3:33:03 AM US Eastern Standard Time, geoffrob(a)netcafe.pirie.mtx.net.au writes: > I vaguely seem to remember that the Plato Courseware also ran, or they had a > version for, the TI99/4A. > They were pushing it at schools and the like IIRC. > My first real computer was a TI....Still got it here somewhere, complete > with the expansion box and 24k of additional ram, and a 5.25" FDD. yes, you are correct. I bought a complete unused CDC version of the ti computer at a radio rally and got about 50 plato courseware titles. it was indeed made for schools.

27 years

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Need help on old Tandy stuff -- Allison? Anyone else?

by nerdware＠laidbak.com

Hi, group. I'm going to be putting up my annual exhibit at the local library and I need some help with my facts so I don't screw anything up. I have two display cases to work with. One will be tracing the development of the portable pc, and will include the usual Compaq Sewing Machine, a Compaq III, and a Compaq LTE286; a Kaypro II, an Osborne, a Mac Portable (non- backlit), IBM Convertible, and a Tandy M200 and Pocket Computer. (I'm really trying to get an M100, but all the reporters I know who still use them would rather have their fingers removed first before they'd give 'em up.......) Can anyone give me the original release dates and some tech specs on the 200 and the Pocket? The 200 has the parallel printer card, the external floppy drive, all the books, and several floppies with stuff on them. The Pocket is the original model, and has software, all the docs, the original boxes, the original carrying case, RS-232 interface and the neat little color plotter/printer. Any info, anecdotes, whatever would be greatly appreciated and acknowledged in the display. Thanks. Paul Braun NerdWare -- The History of the PC and the Nerds who brought it to you. nerdware(a)laidbak.com www.laidbak.com/nerdware

27 years

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Bernoulli cartridges

by dburrows＠netpath.net

>In a message dated 1/30/99 8:58:55 PM Central Standard Time, >dburrows(a)netpath.net writes: > >> I recently picked up about 30 150meg Bernoulli cartridges that have never >> been opened. According to the chart on the back they should work on the >> 90meg. >> Dan >> >hmm, i don't have any new ones, so the chart you are talking about makes >no sense to me. Can you write to the 150's with the 90M drive? perhaps, >format the cartridges as 90's? Is that what it means? > >just curious. >kelly I have no clue other than the vague chart on the back. It looks like a 150 drive will read write format with a * for reduced performance a 90 meg cart. It does not say anything about using 150m media in a 90m drive. This makes me think the media will fit but will have to be formatted. To be sure I would contact IOmega. The only Bernoulli drive I have ever used was a just released 20m (I think) back on a then new 286. If you are still interested contact me off list. With the arrangements I have with the scrapper I got them from to list members I am only looking for $5.00 ea. plus shipping. If they are to be going into commercial use that price WILL be higher. Dan

27 years

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tube CD player (was Re: sizes (was Re: vacuum tube computer))

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> The part I haven't figured out is the photodetector. Even those early L <> players used a phototransistor for the detector. < <Would a selenium cell be fast enough? A CdS photresistor probably wouldn' <be, I think. Silicon photodiode predated the transistor. You would need that or a photo tube to be remotely fastenough as the selenium or CdS is far to slow. In the early 50s when the tube was king germanium and silicon diodes were reality and very common in computer and other uses. The problem is the LASER postdates transistors! The optical light source would have to be a collminated point source. Memory is easy, delay lines really big ones! BACK OT... A vacuum tube computer using germanium diodes and tubes in under 400 of them would eb hard even with a 12bit word. It takes a minimum of 1/2 a duo triode to make an inverter and a FF needs at least one dual triode tube and a few diodes for steering. AND and OR gates using diodes are trivial but a 1 bit full adder would eat several tubes and lots of diodes. a full function ALU like '181 using tubes would easily eat about 50-100 of them for 4bits though some logic economies could gotten by using pulse coupled logic. Register and ALU are the primary consumers of transistors/ICs/Tubes with gating of signals being a next level user. Allison

27 years

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Euro on old computers

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 1, 15:49, Frank McConnell wrote: > ObCC: so what did you UKans do to get your funny-looking L on > computers, terminals, and printers imported from ASCII-speaking > countries? It's character 0xA3 (decimal 163, octal 243) in ISO Latin 1, and most systems that don't have a special key for it map it to the "#" key. On older systems, quite often the drivers replace the "#" character with the pound symbol, but some replace the "$". -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

27 years

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TI99: WP and PC

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Except for a significant penalty in register access time, maybe. Could <be worth it if you expected lots of context switches. Access penalty is high as ram in '77 was slow. <Sounds to me like the 1802. Is there any shared history between them? <Were the 1802 designers consciously influenced by the TI design, or was <it derived again from scratch? Not even close. There is no shared history either as noth evolved from the larger systems each made. The registers in the 9900 were very general in use and symetrical in adressing modes. The 1802 the registers were not general. They were mostly for pointers, stacks, and maybe storage. The 1802 had the ability to use any register as the program counter (via sep and interrupts). The TI9900 the PC is one of the few hardware registers. The 1802 is a primary accumulator machine and the 9900 is anything but as all registers are the target for the result. <Hmm, 1802's were used in satellites, right? Do satellite apps need lots <of context switching? They would like that but the 1802 was used as it was available as RAD hard and CMOS (low power!). The latter is more important as 10mW is nothing compared the the ~600mW of the 9900 cpu never minding clock generation (ttl 4 phase clock generator) support. Allison

27 years

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vacuum tube computer

by Jgzabol＠aol.com

Hi all, I have recently joined the list, not yet contributed too much, but enjoyed reading quite a bit. My personal preference is older stuff - if it contains integrated circuits, I am not too much interested (with the possible exception of a Cray-1). I did not succeed in finding any serious equipment in vacuum-tube technology. Therefore, I decided to design and build a complete computer with vacuum-tube technology from scratch. A short description of the project is enclosed, for those of you who might be interested. The attachment is best viewed with some straight ASCII editor, like the MS-Editor. Thanks to Hans Franke for a reading of a draft version and constructive comments. BTW, I am located in Munich, Germany. John G. Zabolitzky

27 years

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Daily Laugh!

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Sam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com> wrote: ] On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Derek Peschel wrote: ] > I wonder if I can change the configuration so that only subscribed people ] > can send things to the list? Is that really a good idea? ] ] Yes and no. ] Yes because it would eliminate the riff raff postings we get every now and ] then (pet peeve). ] No because its really convenient for me to forward messages I get on a ] different e-mail account (which is not subscribed) from people wanting to ] give away or sell vintage computers. It would be a big pain in the ass if ] I had to first forward the message to my dastar account and then forward ] it from there to ClassicCmp. You could subscribe from that address, and then tell the list processor to postpone sending you anything there, and never cancel the postpone order. I *think* you could still post from that address. Of course, the list processor may eventually explode, holding back all that postponed mail... (Would it actually hold copies of all that, or just drop it?) ] Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ] Always being hassled by the man. ] ] Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 ] See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! ] [Last web site update: 01/15/99] Cheers, Bill.

27 years

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CDC 9766 Drive and packs

by jpl15＠netcom.com

Is anyone on the List, in the Southern California area, interested in a CDC 9766 350MP top loader, with three disk packs? This unit was attached to the Prime system I got recently, but is *not* going to be used with the way I have the Prime configured. I have gotten an offer of $100, but I have to deliver the damn thing, and it's 600lbs. I would like to sell this unit for a little more than $100, or I would consider donating it to a worthy situation, ie. needed for a systems restoration, or to supply parts made of Unobtanium. Replies by e-mail.... Cheerz John

27 years

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1130 has been claimed

by cfandt＠netsync.net

Very good! Now Tony, you have the responsibility to completely photograph this machine and try to find a correct keyboard and PSU. Some of us will appreciate seeing the photos and comments to learn (or relive!) this interesting machine. I know I'll keep an eye cocked for the parts to help get this machine restored. And to think this machine was only about 3 or 4 hours drive from here! Good luck with it :) Regards, Chris Upon the date 05:35 PM 2/1/99 -0500, Brad Ackerman said something like: >Tony Eros was the first to respond (by 90 minutes), and so claims the >computer. Thanks for all the offers -- I really didn't want to see this >computer junked. > >Christian: [re your query] The machine has been sitting in an office as >is for a while. I imagine the missing parts got Dumpstered(tm) long ago, >unfortunately. > >Brad Ackerman N1MNB "...faced with the men and women who bring home >bsa3(a)cornell.edu the pork, voters almost always re-elect them." >http://skaro.pair.com/ -- _The Economist_, 31 Oct 1998 Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/

27 years

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1130 has been claimed

by bsa3＠cornell.edu

Tony Eros was the first to respond (by 90 minutes), and so claims the computer. Thanks for all the offers -- I really didn't want to see this computer junked. Christian: [re your query] The machine has been sitting in an office as is for a while. I imagine the missing parts got Dumpstered(tm) long ago, unfortunately. Brad Ackerman N1MNB "...faced with the men and women who bring home bsa3(a)cornell.edu the pork, voters almost always re-elect them." http://skaro.pair.com/ -- _The Economist_, 31 Oct 1998

27 years

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Apple 1

by allisonp＠world.std.com

were executed. We had 32K of 2114 1Kx4 SRAMs. Our board performed oddly, <but it still worked. AFAIK, all MC68000 chips work to spec. There were many mask revisions early on to correct microcode bugs. Apparently the microcode was either difficult or very complex contributing to many errors. <Anyone want to buy a vintage 1982, gold and ceramic Motorola MC68000? Mak <offer. Not available in stores. Not found on eBay. I have two. ;)

27 years

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Collecting computers - the book and the web site.

by kstumpf＠unusual.on.ca

>Where can someone purchase a copy of your book? Its not listed on amazon.com. > > Thanks > > Noel > Thank you for inquiring. The book is self-published. Ordering details are at the bottom of this message. I also had an arrangement with the Vintage Computer Festival for copies to be sold at the VCF 3.0 and given away as prizes. Some copies are still available; see the VCF web site. ---------------------------------------------------------- A Guide to Collecting Computers and Computer Collectibles: History, Practice, and Technique 1st Edition ---------------------------------------------------------- This book is about the hobby of collecting computers and things related to computers. It's about the hobby in general for novices who are interested starting, building and maintaining a collection. It's also for veteran collectors as an attempt to bring us and a few of our stories, experience, and advice together. This book wouldn't be complete without also paying tribute to the pioneers in the field and so it includes coverage of many wonderful private collections and related "how I got started" stories. This book is simply the best resource you'll find to help you get started and flourish as a computer collector. This book has nine chapters, plus a section on resources. By reading this book you'll discover what to collect, how to collect, and how to manage your collection, including how to clean and store computers. Each chapter opens with an Anecdote and ends with an Profile. A Profile tells you about another collector - why or how they started collecting and a description of their collection. I am humbled by their acceptance to participate in this endeavour. You'll know what I mean after you read about them. Anecdotes are mostly from my own experiences. They no doubt pale in light of your own. Each Anecdote is a brief story about the trials, tribulations and thrills of collecting. I have not tried to make this a pricing guide, although the topic of Appraising is covered, and there isn't any photographs. I have tried to make this book: * a practical reference; * an entertaining piece of popular history; * an encouragement. TABLE OF CONTENTS ----------------------------------------------------------- 1. Collecting Computers ANECDOTE.........How A PDP-9 Fixed A Leaky Garage Roof Why do people collect computers? Who collects computers? History of the hobby. Future of the hobby. How to collect computers. PROFILE.............Kevin Stumpf 2. What's collectible? ANECDOTE.........The Last Sigma 9 Collecting terminology. Collect computers. Don't collect computers. What will you collect? PROFILE.............Doug Jones 3. Sourcing ANECDOTE.........Stupid Internet Thread Yields 360/75 Sources. Techniques. Where will you go? PROFILE.............Jay Jaeger 4. Appraising ANECDOTE.........B220 Control Panel Not Lost In Space Techniques. What is value? How much would you pay? PROFILE.............Thierry Schembri 5. Acquiring ANECDOTE.........The Case of the Shrinking 705 Establishing terms of ownership. Getting your acquisition home. PROFILE.............Bob Roswell 6. Cataloging ANECDOTE.........Old GUI Computer Helps Resolve Sticky Situation What should you catalog? Tell it's story. How to catalog. PROFILE.............Bill von Hagen 7. Storing ANECDOTE.........An Old Car For An Old Computer: Fair Trade? Where are good places to store computers? Storage conditions Preparing for storage. PROFILE.............Bob Manners 8. Restoring/Repairing ANECDOTE.........Here's A Couple of Computers Beyond Repair Cleaning. Authenticity. Before you turn it on... PROFILE.............Carl Friend 9. Interesting Things to do with old computers ANECDOTE.........What Does A Crane and A 360/22 Have In Common? Educational. Crafty. Practical. PROFILE.............Tom Carlson ORDERING INFO ---------------------------------------------------------------- Copies are available for $18 + $4 (S&H) prepaid each, direct >from the publisher. Please send your order to: Unusual systems 220 Samuel Street Kitchener, Ontario N2H 1R6 For more information send a message to kstumpf(a)unusual.on.ca. Please allow 4 weeks for shipping. WE'RE READY TO TAKE YOUR ORDER. THANK YOU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- Kevin Stumpf * Unusual systems * www.unusual.on.ca +1.519.744.2900 * EST/EDT GMT - 5 Collector - Commercial Mainframes & Minicomputers from the 50s, 60s, & 70s and control panels and consoles. Author & Publisher - A Guide to Collecting Computers & Computer Collectibles * ISBN 0-9684244-0-6 .

27 years

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Collecting computers - the book and the web site.

by kstumpf＠unusual.on.ca

Greetings. There was a two month gap in my participation on the List until recently. Somehow, and no one has yet explained it, my subscription was removed (this happened again two weeks ago). Unfortunately, I missed a brief discussion of the book I wrote - it was reviewed in Dr. Dobb's Journal. Had I known, I would have contributed. To make matters even worse, the Classiccmp archive maintained by Kevan Heydon (many thanks man), also suffered from a technical glitch and needed to be restored. Now I've finally read the thread and please accept two observations and two invitations. Observation #1 - the books' identity crisis The book is a guide about the hobby of collecting computers and not a traditional collector's price guide. In a perfect world one would first read the guide to collecting and then want to read a collector's guide - the first guide stokes and refines the interest while the second guide assists in ensuring a collection is complete and in determining how much to buy and sell for. Observation #2 - the book's other identity crisis The book is for both seasoned collectors and beginners. It is not JUST a book for anyone who thinks collecting computers could be neat. Sure the guide will, by design help the novice, but it's equal strength is in helping the existing collector by affirming our practices and techniques and, by all means, sharing some of the practice and techniques the veteran collector might not know about. We should all be open to accepting our knowledge-gaps. In fact, a computer collector might not consider their collection complete without a copy of the first-ever book about collecting computers. Invitation #1 - answering questions about profilees I've been asked why some collectors were omitted and even why some were included. I expected such questions. As an author with a deadline and goal in mind I invited collectors who exemplified the experienced collector, the new collector, the big collector, the small collector, the international collector, etc trying to show how collecting is the same all over the world - same passions and problems. These collectors would/could also be role-models. The book might have included more profiles if the collectors had responded on a timely basis and with answers to the questions I asked. One collector didn't remember the dates and circumstances surrounding his most important acquisitions so I rejected the story because it was incomplete (even after several attempts to help improve its accuracy). Please send your questions about the book to me directly. Invitation #2 - my first attempt at building a web site Please take a moment to visit my site. See the orphan 360/22 mainframe (orphan because it was announced the same year the 370 series was!) and a few other systems that aren't that popular. Thank you. Happy collecting. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- Kevin Stumpf * Unusual systems * www.unusual.on.ca +1.519.744.2900 * EST/EDT GMT - 5 Collector - Commercial Mainframes & Minicomputers from the 50s, 60s, & 70s and control panels and consoles. Author & Publisher - A Guide to Collecting Computers & Computer Collectibles * ISBN 0-9684244-0-6 .

27 years

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interesting book

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

Well well, people throw out the darndest things.. I found a copy of a book by someone named Peter Norton. Looks to me like it may have been his first book. Called 'inside the IBM PC'. His 2 test systems for developing the book were: IBM/PC with 64K standard memory and 512K on a jumbo memory board that he bought as a lark. The jumbo board is populated with 64K chips. he mentions tha this board does provide astonishing improvement in his Pascal programs.. (Duh!). Monochrome monitor. Second system has a Amdek color II monitor, 128K of true blue IBM memory, twin Tandon TM 100-2 diskette drives, and the standard color graphics adapter. Oh yeah, he mentions that he uses teh Jumbo card to simulate a 360K virtual diskette drive ;) He disassembles roms, disusses bios calls, and explains how the cassette tape interface works, among other things. Personally, I think this guy could go far... -Lawrence LeMay

27 years

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CD-RW Drive

by musicman38＠mindspring.com

-> I had a couple of disks that crashed on my HP CD writer when the energy >saving program put the computer to sleep. Make sure this is turned off!! >However was able to re-install the disks and make them recognizable using >the Adaptec software. > > Regards > > Charlie Fox Thanks Charlie, I will also check this out to, as the computer is also in energy save mode.. Phil...

27 years

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*** Two 11/70s Available, Vancouver BC ***

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Hi Gang: I learned this morning of two DEC 11/70s that are available for free in Vancouver, BC. Taker will have to pickup. These are large systems that will need a few strong people to get into the back of a truck. Both were operational when last fired up 3 years ago, and have been in dry storage and covered in plastic since. Included are disk drives, 2 tape drives, consoles, and all documentation including, it appears, print sets. Tons of software as well, including a few compilers. I haven't seen them yet but will try to do so if there's much interest. My basement is far too full already to take one myself, :-( There's also a Microvax II in a BA23 case (that's the bar-fridge size model on casters). I live in Vancouver and will be able to assist in the removal and loading. Please contact me via email or at the office (604) 215-4812 for more info. ========================================================== Sgt. Kevin McQuiggin, Vancouver Police Department E-Comm Project (604) 215-4812; Cell: (604) 868-0544 Email: mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca

27 years

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Instant classic

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Have you all seen the latest G3 PowerMac on the TV ads? Instant classic! I want one in fact. Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Always being hassled by the man. Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 01/15/99]

27 years

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Indiana Jones and the... (was list (was: Daily Laugh!))

by dogas＠leading.net

-----Original Message----- From: Hans Franke <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> >rather offer something to subscribers (like 'Get my old junky >Altair Serial number 0000001, I wil pay $$$ to have it removed'). Speaking of Altair Serial number 00000001.... rumor has it that the first one was lost in transit to that PE guy. Has this machine ever surfaced? Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

27 years

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Some finds and a few questions

by dlw＠trailingedge.com

I finally had a chance to get out and hit a few thrifts again. I was chained in a studio working on an anime, but I'm free again. Anyway, I found a Xebec Sider harddrive. Was this for the Apple //? Something was loose inside so I checked and found a small rectangle filled with some ceramic like stuff and a wire sticking out of each end inside of the PSU. Can't seem to see anywhere in the power supply where this thing may have come from but also can't see how it could have gotten inside if it didn't belong. Not even sure what it is. Any ideas anyone? Also would like any info on the drive type, size interface, etc. It is a model 9710H. Looks like I can pull the drive from the case and hook up a different PSU. On another note, anyone tell me anything about a handheld unit, I think it was an LK-3000 or some such, I'll have to go back and check. The guy wants $50 for it and also has a Tandy Pocket Computer for $40 I'm thinking of picking up. Other things I grabbed: Odyssey2 in box Coleco Adam in box (damn big box for a home console system) Atari 1040STf (may sell/trade this as I have one and an STfm too) Couple of Apple 5.25" drives Misc software and books For those of you who were interested in the Mattel Aquarius Data Recorders, after two months of no replies to my query on where to drop off the money and pick up the recorders, I have finally given up on them. They said they accepted my offer but then they just fell silent. Guess they found someone else with a better offer. ----- David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)trailingedge.com http://www.trailingedge.com

27 years

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Massive paralell junk (was: Classic Computer Auctions List)

by Jgzabol＠aol.com

An ideal class of problems is Monte-Carlo simulation. You distribute identical programs to the machines, and different random-number seeds. Then each machine computes any desired amount of time (1 hour ? 1 day ? 1 week ? 1 year ?) without ANY communication. At the end each machine communicates just one or a few numbers to central, which takes the averages - that's the result. I had Cray machines working at theoretical max performance (all processors) that way. John G. Zabolitzky

27 years

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Handicapping competitions

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

Philip said: >My usual method is to hold workpiece in left hand, iron in right hand and >solder dispenser in mouth. I have also been known, when using solder >straight from the reel, to make a fairly rigid structure from solder. >Assuming a fixed workpiece, I suppose I could then hold the iron in my >mouth... Owww.. Don't you get a face full of flumes from the solder? And because of the small parallax (eyes to mouth), don't you have a depth perception problem here? As well as a stiff neck? (Not to mention sucking on that piece of lead in your mouth.) Try this. Holding the iron in your right hand, take about 8" of solder and wrap it a couple of turns around the tip of your little finger (right hand) with about 6" extending toward the tip of iron. You can control the solder by moving your little finger back and forth. Sure, you will wind up with a few short pieces of solder, but you can use them on jobs that don't take so much gymnastics. -Doug ========================================= Doug Coward Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA =========================================

27 years

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Z3 builders

by Jgzabol＠aol.com

4 PDT = 4 Pole Double Through = 4 Umschaltekontakte exactly what one needs for digital ! Gru? John G. Zabolitzky

27 years

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TI99: WP and PC

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<What are WP and PC w.r.t the 9995? I'm reading the memory map and I don't <understand what those terms are. A related term seems to be BLWP, which I <don't understand either. (I'm only a poor 6502 programmer. :-) OK, WP... workspace pointer. back when the 9900 was new registers (memory) really ate up chip space and TI had an archetecture in the 990 minicomputer where register were in memory instead of in the CPU. So the WP is a pointer that points to a block of 16 locations in ram that are addressed in instructions as R0 through R15. PC is PC just like the 6502. It's the instruction counter. BLWP is an instruction that does several things. It branches to a specified address. It saves the WP and PC in the R14 and R15 of the new workspace. It then resumes at the newly specified PC. Obviously it nees two parameters a new WP and PC. They are specified by varios means (addressing modes and registers). Think of it as something like a 6502 call and Push combined though it's more powerful. Allison

27 years

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electromechanical calculator

by aknight＠mindspring.com

Hi, At Sat, 30 Jan 1999 06:25:14, Derek Peschel wrote: >There are calculator-collecting lists out there, for both mechanical and >early electronic calculators. I'm tempted not to say this... calculator >collecting so far has been a very quiet hobby. (I hope it stays that way!) Hmmm, I suppose that depends on your point of view. With the "collector's guide" for pocket calcs coming out in '97, and the message traffic of stuff for sale on some of the web sites, seems to me there is quite a lot of interest in pocket calcs and prices are going up very quickly. I've been active in this stuff now for about a year & a half. I see lots of new names bidding on calc stuff each month, FWIW. >That doesn't mean things are cheap, or that you can always find what you >want. But the list I'm on has very light traffic and a very high S/N ratio. Very true, I'm not sure why there isn't much traffic on the lists. I know quite a few folks who collect calcs, and there seems to be a lot of private e-mail exchanged, but not nearly the volume of postings as on this list, for instance. >The Web sites I've seen are informative and rather "gentlemanly". Use of >eBay doesn't seem to be encouraged. Seems like the trend is towards eBay, however - on the web sites that provide calculator classifieds it seems like more & more of the calcs for sale are listed on eBay rather than at a fixed price. >Now... to bring this message back ON-TOPIC, can anyone suggest some URL's >or a mailing list for collectors of _electronic_ calculators? I already >know about the MOSCOW site, but others might not. And I'm sure there are >other interesting resources out there! Well, another calc-related URL is for my site: Calculator History & Technology Archive http://aknight.home.mindspring.com/calc.htm I have a bunch more calculator links on my site, and am a part of the Web ring that Andrew set up. FWIW, I'd set up an "egroups" list for calculator discussions and you'll see a link to that from my web site, but there has been no traffic and due to the difficulty of using egroups I may discontinue it altogether. On my site right now I'm leaning more towards coverage of early desktop calculators - they seem to have more in common with classic computers (particularly micros) than do the pocket calcs, and plan to expand coverage to certain early computer stuff as I can. One of these day's I'll show ya'll the insides of my H9 terminal, man what a lot of ICs. Maybe even my homebrew pre-PC 8086 machine... Regards, Alex

27 years

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Bernoulli cartridges

by dburrows＠netpath.net

I recently picked up about 30 150meg Bernoulli cartridges that have never been opened. According to the chart on the back they should work on the 90meg. Dan > >I picked up two drives at the MIT flea's last year... I was only >able to get two disks... if you find a source, please let me know >as well (yes, I have the 90 MB version too). > > Megan Gentry > Former RT-11 Developer > >+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ >| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | >| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | >| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | >| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | >| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | >| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | >+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ >

27 years

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Euro on old computers

by MagerValp＠Goth.Org

>>>>> "Cameron" == Cameron Kaiser <ckaiser(a)oa.ptloma.edu> writes: Cameron> What *does* the Euro symbol look like, anyway? Like a C with two horizontal lines in the middle[0]. Umm. Kinda. Look at http://europa.eu.int [0] Not to be confused with a certain computer company's logo. *nudge* *nudge* *wink* *wink* -- ___ . . . . . + . . o _|___|_ + . + . + . . Per Olofsson, konstn?r o-o . . . o + MagerValp(a)Goth.Org - + + . http://www.cling.gu.se/~cl3polof/

27 years

1
0
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IBM XT

by radack＠juno.com

Have an IBM XT with keyboard and monitor. Anyone interested? ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

27 years

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Daily Laugh!

by Daily.Laugh＠Virgin.Net

Good Morning! Your daily laugh as requested sent to you with the intention of brightening up your day! Why not give someone else a laugh. Forward this e.mail to everyone you know. IMPORTANT NOTE It is possible that you will have received your daily laugh from another source or will have been added to our mailing list at the request of a friend or colleague. We realise that some may not appreciate being added to our mailing list without prior consent. With this in mind we are now asking anybody that wishes to be added to the mailing list to subscribe direct. If you wish to subscribe (including those that have already subscribed) then please send a blank e.mail to one of the below addresses that best describes where you are from. DailyLaughUK-Subscribe(a)OneList.Com DailyLaughUS-Subscribe(a)OneList.Com DailyLaughElsewhere-Subscribe(a)OneList.Com Those that do nothing will automatically be removed from the list after today. I thank you all for your anticipated co-operation. Now for today's jokes!!!!!!!! ______________________________________ A man was to be married and his friends threw him a stag party. As usual there was much drinking and merriment. As the evening wore on, the man was dancing nude and and hit his erect penis on the fireplace, knocking himself out. Concerned, his friends took him to the hospital. Following an examination, the emergency room physician told them that their friend's condition was stable, that he was bruised and sore, that the medical term for his injury was complicated but in layman terms, "He had broken his prick". They shouldn't worry though, because he had supported the injured part with 4 tongue depressors neatly bound with tape. The next day, the wedding was flawless and the bride was unaware of any problems. In their honeymoon suite, the bride was spread-eagled on the bed when her husband emerged from the bathroom and she said, "Come and get it , Honey, it's all yours. I'm untouched by any other, this is pure virgin wool". The groom smiled as he dropped his pajamas as he said to her, "Check this out, Babe, still in the crate". ______________________________________ A guy was at the supermarket and after buying a few things he began to queue up in this really long line for the checkout. After about 15 minutes in the line he reached the checkout girl and just at that moment he remembered that he needed some condoms. Not wanting to line up again he said to the girl "Oh I meant to buy some condoms but forgot" "Do you know what size you are ?" she asked. "No". "OK drop your pants and I'll tell you what size you are". The guy then, not being the shy type, drops his trousers and the girl has a feel with her hand and then says in the microphone "1 packet of large condoms to aisle 3 please", he pulls up his trousers, the condoms are brought to him and he pays his bill and goes on his way. Another male customer sees this and thinks he'd like to have this nice girl fondling his prick and so says the same thing to the girl. A similar course of events takes place, only this time after having a feel she says "One packet of medium sized condoms to aisle 3 please", the condoms are then brought to him and he pays the bill and goes on his way. Also watching this course of events was a rather excitable 15 year old boy who then decides to queue up and try the same routine. "I'd like to buy some condoms please, but I forgot" he says. "Do you know what size you are?" "No." "OK, I'll check. Whoops, mop and bucket to aisle 3 please!" _______________________________________ A man was sitting at a bar enjoying an after-work drink when an exceptionally gorgeous and sexy young woman entered. She was so striking that the man could not take his eyes off her. The young woman noticed his overly-attentive stare and walked directly toward him. Before he could offer his apologies for being so rude, the young woman said to him, "I'll do anything, absolutely anything, that you want me to do, no matter how kinky, for £100 on one condition." Flabbergasted, the man asked what the condition was. The young woman replied, "You have to tell me what you want me to do in just three words." He quickly pulled his wallet from his pocket and slowly counted out five £20 notes, which he pressed into the young woman's hand. He looked into her eyes and slowly, meaningfully said... "Paint my house." ______________________________________ A man went into a chemists looking for condoms. Unfortunately he didn't know what size to get. The pharmacist asks him, 'Would you like to find what size you are, Sir?' The guy agrees and the pharmacist leads him into a room with a board. The board has many differently-sized holes in it. The pharmacist leaves, allowing the guy some privacy to match up his dick with the right hole. Three hours have gone by and the pharmacist wonders what is taking so long. So, he knocks on the door and sees if the guy is alright. The guy says, "Forget the condoms, I think I'll take the board." __________________________________________ Have a nice day!!!!!

27 years

12
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Parallel C64's...

by zmerch＠30below.com

On or about 10:21 PM 1/26/99 -0800, Sam Ismail was caught in a dark alley speaking these words: >On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Max Eskin wrote: >> Using 80 C-64s in a single project? Heck, I'm curious... >Were basically in the preliminary feasibility study stages of building a >massively parallel vintage computer. The point? To demonstrate that old >hardware that can be picked up for pennies can be combined to attain >amazing amounts of computing power. How much of the documentation / flowcharts / source code / etc. will be open source / GPL / freeware? I've always wanted to build a multi-processor CoCo (the 6809 was designed with simple multiprocessing in mind) but never quite figured out where to start. These documents might actually give me a clue. Just wondering, Roger "Merch" Merchberger (a.k.a. Daddy) ===== Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- zmerch(a)30below.com SysAdmin - Iceberg Computers ===== Merch's Wild Wisdom of the Moment: ===== Sometimes you know, you just don't know sometimes, you know?

27 years

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Classic Computer Auctions List

by kurtkilg＠geocities.com

On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Sam Ismail wrote: > Yes but we're using those for a VCF project. Using 80 C-64s in a single project? Heck, I'm curious...

27 years

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IBM 1130 (most of one) available

by bsa3＠cornell.edu

There's an IBM 1130 available here to whomever wants to drive to Ithaca and pick it up. Unfortunately, the keyboard and power supply have been removed, although everything else seems to be there -- although I'm not exactly an 1130 expert. Anyone who is interested should email me so that I can inform the current owner that a new home has been found. Brad Ackerman N1MNB "...faced with the men and women who bring home bsa3(a)cornell.edu the pork, voters almost always re-elect them." http://skaro.pair.com/ -- _The Economist_, 31 Oct 1998

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Some finds and a few questions

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

At 10:49 PM 1/31/99 -0800, Sam wrote: >I just opened the terminator and it looks like it has some sort of blue >chip inside (a resistor pack?) > >The numbers on it are: > >14-3- >221/331 >8440 <- date code? Yes, it is with the values of 220 and 330 Ohms from each pin to ground and Vcc. > -Dave

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OT: PC parts available

by dlw＠trailingedge.com

The guy below seems to have a bunch of old PC parts he was going to dump. They're not "classic" in mine or the list's terms but I know some of you here might be able to use them and he was just going to throw them away. Told him I'd pass his email along. You can get in touch with him at the address in the email below. ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 19:30:38 -0500 From: Timothy Shandonay <tims(a)lascoinc.com> Subject: parts I didn't read your web page very carefully....so I'm not sure if you purchase computer parts. I have many motherboards, I/O cards, video cards, memory, etc that I am looking to get rid of. Let me know if you are interested. ----- David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)trailingedge.com http://www.trailingedge.com

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Fw: Y1K Crisis Loomed...

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

>From: "F.J. Ted Douglas" <tdouglas(a)MNSi.Net> >To: "Charles Fox" <foxvideo(a)wincom.net> >Subject: Fw: Y1K Crisis Loomed... >Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 14:57:50 -0500 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 >X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rev. Iain Macdonald <iain.macdonald(a)ns.sympatico.ca> >To: Alf & Sue Baldwin <abaldwin(a)ns.sympatico.ca>; Allan Cunningham ><acunning(a)execulink.com>; Barry Leslie <bleslie(a)ns.sympatico.ca>; Bethe >Nolan <lexian(a)ns.sympatico.ca>; Bob Perry <rjperry(a)idirect.ca>; Chris >Ewington <cbe(a)h2oent.com>; David Hart <hoppnerhart(a)sprynet.com>; David >Nichols <prisma(a)ns.sympatico.ca>; Debbie McKee <mckeebr(a)gov.ns.ca>; Dr. >Wayne Stobo <stobow(a)mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca>; Fisher McKay ><f.mckay(a)ns.sympatico.ca>; Fred & Elizabeth Durham <bulld(a)azstarnet.com>; >Jack Waller <ab497(a)chebucto.ns.ca>; Mary Miller <at747(a)chebucto.ns.ca>; >Moira Laidlaw <laidlawm(a)ozemail.com.au>; Peg Perry <pegperry(a)idirect.com>; >Peter Hogan <peter.hogan(a)ns.sympatico.ca>; Phil Cummings ><phil.cummings(a)ns.sympatico.ca>; Rev. Richard Fairchild <rjf(a)rockies.net>; >Val Chappel <valchap(a)admin.unr.edu> >Date: January 30, 1999 9:51 PM >Subject: Y1K Crisis Loomed... > > >>Canterbury, England. A.D. 999. >> >>An atmosphere close to panic prevails today throughout >>Europe as the millennial year 1000 approaches, bringing with >>it the so-called "Y1K Bug," a menace which, until recently, >>hardly anyone had ever heard of. Prophets of doom are >>warning that the entire fabric of Western Civilization, >>based as it now is upon monastic computations, could >>collapse, and that there is simply not enough time left to >>fix the problem. >> >>Just how did this disaster-in-the-making ever arise? Why >>did no one anticipate that a change from a three-digit to a >>four-digit year would throw into total disarray all >>liturgical chants and all metrical verse >>in which any date is mentioned? Every formulaic hymn, >>prayer, ceremony and incantation dealing with dated events >>will have to be re-written to accommodate three extra >>syllables. All tabular chronologies with three-space year >>columns, maintained for generations by scribes using >>carefully hand-ruled lines on vellum sheets, will now have >>to be converted to four-space columns, at enormous cost. In >>the meantime, the validity of every official event, from >>baptisms to burials, from confirmations to coronations, may >>be called into question. >> >>"We should have seen it coming ," says Brother Cedric of St. >>Michael's Abbey, here in Canterbury. "What worries me most >>is that 'THOUSAND' contains the word 'THOU,' which occurs >>in nearly all our prayers, and of course always refers to >>God. Using it now in the name of the year will seem almost >>blasphemous, and is bound to cause terrible confusion. Of >>course, we would always use Latin, but that might be even >>worse -- the Latin word for 'Thousand' is 'Mille' - which is >>the same as the Latin for 'mile.' We won't know whether >>we're talking about time or distance!" >> >>Stonemasons are already reported threatening to demand a >>proportional pay increase for having to carve an extra >>numeral in all dates on tombstones, cornerstones and >>monuments. Together with its inevitable >>ripple effects, this alone could plunge the hitherto-stable >>medieval economy into chaos. >> >>A conference of clerics has been called at Winchester to >>discuss the entire issue, but doomsayers are convinced that >>the matter is now one of personal survival. Many families, >>in expectation of the worst, are >>stocking up on holy water and indulgences. >> >> >> > > Charles E. Fox Chas E. Fox Video Productions 793 Argyle Rd. Windsor N8Y 3J8 Ont. Canada email foxvideo(a)wincom.net Homepage http://www.wincom.net/foxvideo

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List of interesting stuff was RE: Time to share a source - W.J.Ford Surplus

by chrish＠knet.kootenay.net

While looking around Andrew'secret suplus site at > http://www.falls.igs.net/~testequipment/index.html > i found the following that might interest you guys and gals:) http://www.falls.igs.net/~testequipment/video.html COLOUR VIDEO MONITOR Make:SONY Model:PVM-1910 TRINITRON COLOOUR, RGB, COMPOSITE VIDEO, EXT. TUNER, VTR, AND COMPUTER INPUTS, SEPARATE AUDIO INPUT, 24" DIAG. CRT Dimensions: 19.00"w x 19.00"h x 21.00"d Weight: 63.00 lbs. 1.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:B2340N RAMP Price: $ 150.00 ----------------------------------------- http://www.falls.igs.net/~testequipment/compute.html BASIC COMPUTER Make:HEWLETT PACKARD Model:85 BASIC LANGUAGE COMPUTER WITH BUILT IN PRINTER AND TAPE DRIVE, STD. 16K MEMORY, IDEAL FOR HPIB SYSTEMS (REQUIRES SEPARATE HPIB INTERFACE) 2.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:B2540 RAMP Price: $ 75.00 COMPUTER Make:HEWLETT PACKARD Model:300 / 9000 DESKTOP COMPUTER WITH 250 W POWER SUPPLY, BACK PLANE, COLLING FANS ETC. - MEMORY BOARD HAS BEEN REMOVED Dimensions: 12.75"w x 5.00"h x 15.00"d Weight: 21.00 lbs. 22.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:1749 WRHS-06 Price: $ 10.00 COMPUTER Make:HEWLETT PACKARD Model:9826 TABLE TOP COMPUTER WITH BUILT IN CRT AND KEYBOARD, INCL. HP 98626A RS-232 INTERFACE AND HPIB INTERFACE, C.W. 17 FLOPPY DISCS WITH OPERATING SYSTEM ETC., SYSTEM BOOTS UP, CRT CLEAR AND BRIGHT Dimensions: 17.00"w x 7.00"h x 25.00"d Weight: 45.00 lbs. 1.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:B2579 RAMP Price: $ 125.00 COMPUTER Make:HEWLETT PACKARD Model:HP 85A C.W. 82903A MEMORY MODULE & 82936A ROM DRAWER 1.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:B2563 RAMP Price: $ 75.00 COMPUTER Make:HEWLETT PACKARD Model:HP 85A C.W. 2 82936A ROM DRAWERS 1.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:B2564 RAMP Price: $ 75.00 COMPUTER Make:HEWLETT PACKARD Model:HP 85B C.W. I/O ROM 1.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:B2565 RAMP Price: $ 90.00 DISC DRIVE VARIOUS MAKES & MODELS OF 5 1/4" FLOPPY DRIVES - REMOVED FROM SURPLUS EQUIPMENT Dimensions: 8.00"w x 8.00"h x 3.00"d Weight: 3.00 lbs. 10.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:1563 UM04 Price: $ 5.00 DISC DRIVE Make:HEWLETT PACKARD Model:9121S USES 3.5" DISKS, 270 KBYTE CAPACITY, HPIB COMPATIBLE Dimensions: 13.00"w x 3.00"h x 11.00"d Weight: 12.00 lbs. 2.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:B2712 UM01C2 Price: $ 50.00 DUAL DISC DRIVE Make:HEWLETT PACKARD Model:9121D USES 2 3.5" DISKS, 270 KBYTE CAPACITY EACH, HPIB COMPATIBLE Dimensions: 13.00"w x 3.00"h x 11.00"d Weight: 13.00 lbs. 1.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:B2713 UM01C2 Price: $ 75.00 MONITOR, COMPUTER Make:ZENITH Model:ZVM-1240 AMBER SCREEN, 9 PIN DATA CABLE, REQUIRES 110 V AC, ONE UNIT HAS SWIVEL TILT PAD, OTHER HAS ANTI GLARE SCREEN, BOTH UNITS LIGHT UP WHEN PLUGGED IN (NOT TESTED ON A PC) Dimensions: 12.00"w x 10.00"h x 13.00"d Weight: 3.00 lbs. 2.00 on hand Image ID: ITEM473 Item No.:0473 UM01 Price: $ 8.00 PAPER Make:HEWLETT PACKARD Model:9281-0401 BOX OF 6 ROLLS THERMAL PRINTER PAPER 2' X 250', ONS Dimensions: 8.00"w x 11.50"h x 3.00"d Weight: 4.00 lbs. 3.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:1985 WRHS-SK16 Price: $ 12.00 PERSONAL COMPUTER Make:HEWLETT PACKARD Model:85B ALPHANUMERIC KEYBOARD, CRT, THERNAL PRINTER, TAPE DRIVE & ROM OPERATING SYSTEM, 64 K MEMORY, BUILT IN HPIB INTERFACE 1.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:B2541 RAMP Price: $ 90.00 PRINTER Make:HEWLETT PACKARD Model:2631A opt.046 SERIAL DATA PRINTER, DOT MATRIX 180 CHAR/SEC BI-DIRECTIONAL HEAD *** Dimensions: 25.00"w x 9.00"h x 19.00"d Weight: 52.00 lbs. 1.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:1431 UM03 Price: $ 30.00 PRINTER SWITCH Make:TANDY Model:26-2820 PRINTER INTERFACE SELECTOR 2, CENTRONICS COMPATIBLE PARALLEL PARALLEL INTERFACING, C.W. POWER SUPPLY, 2 CABLES & MANUAL, BOXED Dimensions: 12.00"w x 9.00"h x 3.50"d Weight: 3.00 lbs. 1.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:2340 UM01 Price: $ 10.00 PRINTER, DOT MATRIX Make:DIGITAL Model:LA50 9 PIN HEAD, 8 1/2 " CARRAIGE, FRICTION FEED, 25 PIN DATA CONNECTION, SELF TEST ACTIVATES PRINT HEAD BUT NOT ALL PINS LIVE, UNIT HAS BEEN EXPOSED TO HIGH HUMIDITY Dimensions: 16.00"w x 5.50"h x 11.50"d Weight: 10.00 lbs. 1.00 on hand Image ID: ITEM474 Item No.:0474 UM01 Price: $ 5.00 PRINTER, DOT MATRIX Make:DIGITAL Model:LA75 TRACTOR OR FRICTION FEED, SELF CHECKS OK, FRONT PLASTIC LID OVER CARRAIGE MISSING Dimensions: 18.00"w x 5.00"h x 14.00"d Weight: 22.00 lbs. 2.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:1853 UM01 Price: $ 35.00 PRINTER, DOT MATRIX Make:EPSON Model:FX-100 136 CHAR. CARRAIGE, TRACTOR OR FRICTION FEED, SELF CHECKS OK Dimensions: 24.00"w x 5.00"h x 14.00"d Weight: 24.00 lbs. 1.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:1852 UM01 Price: $ 45.00 PRINTER, DOT MATRIX Make:EPSON Model:FX-286 136 CHAR. CARRAIGE, TRACTOR OR FRICTION FEED, SELF CHECKS OK Dimensions: 24.00"w x 6.00"h x 13.50"d Weight: 23.50 lbs. 1.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:1855 UM01 Price: $ 35.00 PRINTER, DOT MATRIX Make:HEWLETT PACKARD Model:2394 RS-232-C INTERFACE, COURIER CARTRIDGE, TRACTOR FEED, RESPONDS TO TEST, NEEDS RIBBON, COMMERCIAL GRADE CONSTRUCTION Dimensions: 23.50"w x 7.00"h x 14.00"d Weight: 45.30 lbs. 1.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:1854 UM01 Price: $ 125.00 PRINTER, DOT MATRIX Make:OKIDATA Model:MICROLINE 812 PLUS FRICTION OR TRACTION FEED, INCLUDES HOLDER FOR PAPER ROLLS, DON'T KNOW WHAT BUTTONS FOR SELF CHECK Dimensions: 15.00"w x 3.50"h x 11.00"d Weight: 13.40 lbs. 1.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:1851 UM01 Price: $ 45.00 PRINTER, DOT MATRIX Make:PANASONIC Model:KX-P1092i TRACTOR OR FRICTION FEED, HIGH SPEED, NLQ, 8-1/2"W FORMS, SELF TESTS OK Dimensions: 17.00"w x 5.00"h x 14.00"d Weight: 22.00 lbs. 1.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:1846 UM01 Price: $ 55.00 PRINTER, INKJET Make:HEWLETT PACKARD Model:DESKJET SELF CHECKS OK Dimensions: 17.50"w x 8.00"h x 15.00"d Weight: 17.00 lbs. 1.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:1858 UM01 Price: $ 95.00 RS-232 INTERFACE Make:HEWLETT PACKARD Model:82939A (OPT.001) RS-232 INTERFACE MODULE FOR HP 85 COMPUTERS, OPT.001 IS 25 PIN MALE RS-232C CONNECTOR, C.W. COPY OF OWNER'S MANUAL Weight: 2.00 lbs. 1.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:B2575 PRG0 Price: $ 75.00 RS-232C SERIAL INTERFACE Make:HEWLETT PACKARD Model:98036A INTERFACE MODULE FOR HP 80 COMPUTERS Weight: 2.00 lbs. 1.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:B2578C PRF0 Price: $ 25.00 TAPE DRIVE Make:HEWLETT PACKARD Model:9144 16 TRACK DATA TAPE DRIVE UNIT, FROM HP WORKSTATION NETWORK ENVIRONMENT Dimensions: 13.00"w x 5.00"h x 15.00"d 1.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:1288 RAMP Price: $ 25.00 http://www.falls.igs.net/~testequipment/data.html DATA TAPE Make:3M Model:TK 50 1/2" COMPACTAPE CARTRIDGES COMPATIBLE WITH DIGITAL TK 50 DRIVES, PACKAGED NEW Dimensions: 4.25"w x 4.25"h x 1.13"d Weight: 1.00 lbs. 12.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:1721 UM10 Price: $ 4.00 DATA TERMINAL Make:TEXAS INSTRUMENTS Model:707 SILENT 700 SERIES DATA TERMINAL, ACCEPTS ACOUTIC COUPLE AND PHONE LINE INPUTS. Dimensions: 11.50"w x 3.00"h x 8.50"d Weight: 5.00 lbs. 4.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:1694 UM08 Price: $ 25.00 DATA TERMINAL Make:TEXAS INSTRUMENTS Model:707/1200VT SILENT 700 SERIES KEYBOARD & PRINTER, HAS A 2 1/2 X 9 LCD DISPLAY Dimensions: 11.50"w x 3.50"h x 8.50"d Weight: 7.00 lbs. 1.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:1695 UM08 Price: $ 40.00 DATA TERMINAL Make:TEXAS INSTRUMENTS Model:D765 PORTABLE SILENT 700 PORTABLE TERMINAL, SELF CONTAINED KEYBOARD,, PRINTER & MODEM TO ACCEPT TELEPHONE HANDSET Dimensions: 16.00"w x 4.50"h x 15.00"d Weight: 14.00 lbs. 2.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:1689 UM08 Price: $ 30.00 DATA TERMINAL Make:TEXAS INSTRUMENTS Model:SILENT 700 CONNECTS TO STANDARD TELEPHONE HANDSET TO ALLOW TRANSMISSION OF TEXT BETWEEN COMPATIBLE UNITS, SUITCASE STYLE UNITS WITH BUILT IN KEYBOARD AND PRINTER Dimensions: 15.00"w x 4.50"h x 16.00"d 2.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:1195 WRHS-G Price: $ 20.00 DUMB TERMINAL Make:DIGITAL Model:VT240 VT-240 TERMINAL, DOES NOT INCLUDE KEYBOARD OR MONITOR Dimensions: 18.00"w x 3.75"h x 12.00"d Weight: 12.00 lbs. 5.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:1768 RAMP Price: $ 10.00 MAINFRAME Make:HEWLETT PACKARD Model:64100A THE 64100A IS THE FUNDAMENTAL UNIT OF THE 64000 DEVELOPMENT SYSTEM, CONSISTS OF CONSOLE WITH INTEGRAL 12" CRT, FULL ASCII KEYBOARD, RS-232 INTERFACE AND SPACE FOR 10 OPTION CARDS. UNIT HAS 64941A OPTION CARD CONTROLLING 2 X 5" FLOPPY DRIVES Dimensions: 20.00"w x 13.75"h x 28.00"d Weight: 75.00 lbs. 1.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:0670 UM03 Price: $ 45.00 MODEM Make:TEAM TECHNOLOGY INC Model:1200AT FULL OR 1/2 DUPLEX, RS-232C PORT, COMPATIBLE WITH BELL 103 & 212A MODEMS, 0 - 300 BPS OR 1200 BPS, BOXED C.W. USER'S MANUAL & DC ADAPTOR Dimensions: 6.50"w x 3.50"h x 14.50"d Weight: 3.25 lbs. 1.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:B2452 UM02 Price: $ 10.00 TAPE CARTRIDGES Make:3M Model:DC300A DATA TAPE CARTRIDGES, NEW, INDIVIDUALLY BOXED, (USED TAPES TAPES ALSO AVAIL. AT 1/2 PRICE) Dimensions: 6.00"w x 4.00"h x 0.63"d Weight: 0.50 lbs. 14.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:1894 WRHS-19 Price: $ 2.00 TAPE UNIT Make:COLUMBIA DATA PRODUCTS Model:300 D 110 DATA TAPE CARTRIDGE UNIT Dimensions: 7.00"w x 5.00"h x 14.00"d Weight: 13.00 lbs. 1.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:1567 UM02 Price: $ 15.00 TELETYPE Make:TELETYPE CORP Model:43 TABLE TOP TELETYPE MACHINE, 1/2 & FULL DUPLEX OPERATION Dimensions: 17.00"w x 5.00"h x 21.00"d Weight: 30.00 lbs. 1.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:1798 UM Price: $ 20.00 http://www.falls.igs.net/~testequipment/misc.html BOOKS Make:HEATHKIT Model:INDIVIDUAL LEARNING PROG 8 LOOSE LEAF BINDERS COVERING MICROPROCESSORS, DIGITAL TECHNIQUE, ETC., SOME VOLUMES DUPLICATED (NOT A COMPLETE SET), ALSO INCL. 2 VOL. OF FLIP CHARTS Weight: 37.00 lbs. 1.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:B2505 MEZZ Price: $ 50.00 CABLES Make:HEWLETT PACKARD Model:82937A HPIB INTERFACE CABLE FOR HP 85 Weight: 2.00 lbs. 4.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:1719 UM08 Price: $ 10.00 RIBBON, TTY Make:UNKNOWN TYPEWRITER / TELETYPE RIBBONS, 1/2" CLOTH REUSEABLE INKED RIBBON ON 5/8" X 2" DIA. REELS, 12 PER BOX Dimensions: 8.38"w x 2.38"h x 4.00"d Weight: 0.50 lbs. 50.00 on hand Image ID: ITEM433 Item No.:0433 FRWALL Price: $ 0.25 U-MATIC CASSETTES Make:SONY Model:KCA6U SET OF 13 PRE-RECORDED U-MATIC CASSETTES WITH MICROCOMPUTER COURSES - INCLUDES CONCEPTS, ALGORITHMS, HARDWARE, ETC. Dimensions: 7.00"w x 10.00"h x 1.50"d Weight: 25.00 lbs. 1.00 on handNo Graphic on file Item No.:2306 WRHS-16 Price: $ 30.00 ------------------------------------------ http://www.falls.igs.net/~testequipment/manuals.html list of all the manuals they have for rent ------------------------------------------ There is is .....phew :-) I had nothing to do so just thought you guys might be interested Chris Halarewich

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Kaypro II and Kaypro 16 available

by KFergason＠aol.com

hey, are they here in Houston? hows life? Kelly In a message dated 1/31/99 10:59:12 PM Central Standard Time, dlw(a)trailingedge.com writes: > I've been talking with a guy who has a Kaypro II and a Kaypro 16. I > I already have a Kaypro II and I'm not interested enough in the 16. > Anyone out there who might like these, he used them for several > years and just wants to see them go to a good home. Hmm, > maybe I need another storage space. Let me know if you're > interested and I'll put you in touch with him. >

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new toy!

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

I just got my hands on my first Kaypro - a Kaypro 4. Everything seems to work, but it never boots from the only boot floppy I have. I tried reversing the two drives and booting from the other drive and got the same results, so I'm convinced it's the floppy itself. Can anyone point me to a site where I can get the software to create a new one from my win95 machine (if possible). I have some questions. First, I tried connecting a 360k 5.25 inch floppy from a PC to the kaypro. At first nothing happened, then when I changed the device select to 0, it hung the machine every time it tried to boot. Should I interpret this to mean you can't connect PC drives to Kaypros? If you CAN, can you connect 3.5 inch drives to it? It would be far more convenient... Also, on www.psyber.com/~tjc/ it says there's a western digital hard disk controller. WD-1002-05 HDO. Is it possible to connect this to a K4? If so, how? I don't see any open connectors on the motherboard offhand. Anyway, the guy I got my K4 from has a K2 and a K2x - the latter of which appears to be unable to boot, although I suspect reseating the chips would solve it, and the former of which has a soda-contaminated keyboard with some missing keys. If anyone's interested in these machines, let me know and I'll forward your e-mail to him. -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Actually, on the downstream side of the adapter card you are tremendously <close to an IDE interface. As I understand it, the IDE interface is <premised on the commands that are required by the WD1002-nnn controller. <zI have forgotten the exact model, but it must be near to the WD1002. Incorrect. IDE is the buslevel equivelent of the ISA16 card WD1003WA. The register format, addresses of the registers are identical, the interface is also the same save for there are only three addres bits and two selects(like chip select) where the board would take a full 10 bit address and decode it. The 1002 HOST interface gas a different address, register command structure though there are similarities wbeing both from WD. To do a IDE on kaypro you would need to do the 8<->16 bit translation and from what I have here there is not enough addresses brought out to the host adaptor plug. That means a CPU piggyback adaptor (GIDE is one case). SCSI would be easier as a cpu interface but the SCSI bios is a nightmare for the 5380 type chips. In any case adding a hard disk to kaypro requires utility software, an interface and BIOS. Going the turborom route and putting two to three 3.5" disks is easier. With 3.5" drives there is auto write portect on power down so you dont need to eject the disks and with the that would be 2.3mb of available storage plus the 360kb drive for compatability. I have one setup in such a mannor with an old IBM PS/2 drive inside the case (I treat it as 781k hard drive) and two drives on the front (3.5" and 5.25" 360k). For what I use the kaypro for that's plenty of on line storage. To do 1.44mb would require far more effort due to data rate and the fact that DMA is not available so it would be hardware mods for floppy controller and also big time bios mods. Allison

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Kaypro II and Kaypro 16 available

by dlw＠trailingedge.com

I've been talking with a guy who has a Kaypro II and a Kaypro 16. I I already have a Kaypro II and I'm not interested enough in the 16. Anyone out there who might like these, he used them for several years and just wants to see them go to a good home. Hmm, maybe I need another storage space. Let me know if you're interested and I'll put you in touch with him. ----- David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)trailingedge.com http://www.trailingedge.com

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Looking for boot disks for Gould K450 Logic Analyzer (fwd)

by donm＠cts.com

If anyone has an inkling of how to help this chap, please reply directly to him. I'd appreciate a Cc if convenient. - don ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:16:23 -0500 From: Rich Joyce <rjoyce(a)altairavionics.com> To: donm(a)crash.cts.com Subject: Looking for boot disks for Gould K450 Logic Analyzer CPM/86, 5 1/4. I don't know if there are any special files required. got the Logic Analyzer with the dual disk system attached but no disks!. Any help is much appreciated!! Richard Joyce Altair Avionics 106 Access Rd Norwood MA 02062 Ph: 781 762 8600 Fx: 781 762 2287

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Other UK early comp title

by jpl15＠netcom.com

Taking books from the various piles on the floor and putting them snuggly on their new shelves, I have encountered the other 50s UK computing book: "Automatic Digital Calculators" by Booth and Booth, Butterworths Scientific Publications, 1956 (2nd ed, 3rd reprinting) While it only has four plates, it is *full* of circuit diagrams, element descriptions, and much advanced maths :) in connection with the fundamentals of the devices. I am accumulating material for a marathon scanning session, as I said in the previous post on this subject. It's a stack about 2 meters high right now. Hmmmm.... Cheerz John

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One more thing, speaking of Tandy

by nerdware＠laidbak.com

I agree with you that the 200 isn't as impressive as the 100. The flip-up display, while possibly being a little easier to read, is just asking to be broken. A couple of years ago, when I was covering motorsports for a local radio station, I noticed that in the press room, amongst the guys with their fancy color multimedia laptops, at least 2 or 3 guys would be filing their stories on 100's. Built like a tank, and you don't have to try and hunt down a special litium battery in the middle of a race. Paul Braun NerdWare -- The History of the PC and the Nerds who brought it to you. nerdware(a)laidbak.com www.laidbak.com/nerdware

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CD-RW Drive

by paulk＠microsoft.com

> I can get the cd drive to burn the CD & read from it, however it will not > read > on another standard CD drive. You can't read CD-RW's in (most) regular CD players. You'll have to keep burning coasters until it works right. Make sure the disc is "finalized"; that is, make sure you tell your CDR program that you're not going to write any more tracks to the disc (some programs also call this "closing" a disc). Normal CD players can't read a disc until it's been finalized. Also, You mentioned DirctCD. Most normal CD players can't read discs written using packet-writing technology -- you need to lay out an ISO 9660 image and blast the whole thing at once (or do it on the fly, which is just a risky way of writing everything at once). Someone also mentioned multi-session discs -- do avoid these, as the other poster recommended. > Thanks.. > Phil... Paul Kearns paulk(a)microsoft.com

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Early Computing in the UK

by jpl15＠netcom.com

Of possible interest to the List, especially to our members in the Greenwich Time Zone... I have aquired two books published in England in the 50's... one is buried in a stack (I am building more shelves for more books... arrgh) but is a general treatise on the state of the art from a very technical stance. It has many great photos. The other book came from yesterday's TRW haul... it is "ELECTRONIC COMPUTERS Principles and Applications" by T.E. Ivall published by Iliffe & Sons, Second Ed of 1960. (two prev: 1956, 7) This book covers Analogue and Digital machines and is packed with many plates, pictures, and diagrams... it has several views of the ACE, the TRIDENT analogue flight simulator, several Ferranti and Creed devices, etc., etc. I have made a picture gallery on my web site and I have now got to scan a bunch of these things in... a project that will take only about a long weekend to complete.... sometime in 2015 if my best estimates are correct. ;) But I'd like to get this stuff up, because it tends to balance the Americo-centric focus of foundation computing. Remember who had the first actual 'Von Neuman-ish' machine in service..... Also, in one of the manuals, I have a large model/feature/config chart of all known machines from the EDSAC up to about 1966... from all manufacturers, Germany, Japan, France, Switzerland, etc. But its big.... oh well, soon! Cheerz John

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Russian Computer Museum

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Wow, a Russian computer museum. http://www.computer-museum.ru I hope you can read Russian. Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Always being hassled by the man. Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 01/15/99]

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TI99: WP and PC

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Sam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com> wrote: Subject: Re: TI99: WP and PC ] On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Allison J Parent wrote: ] > WP... workspace pointer. back when the 9900 was new registers (memory) ] > really ate up chip space and TI had an archetecture in the 990 minicomputer ] > where register were in memory instead of in the CPU. So the WP is a pointer ] > that points to a block of 16 locations in ram that are addressed in ] > instructions as R0 through R15. ] ] Wow! What a cool architecture! That would be a very handy feature to ] have in any processor. Except for a significant penalty in register access time, maybe. Could be worth it if you expected lots of context switches. Sounds to me like the 1802. Is there any shared history between them? Were the 1802 designers consciously influenced by the TI design, or was it derived again from scratch? Hmm, 1802's were used in satellites, right? Do satellite apps need lots of context switching? ] Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ] Always being hassled by the man. ] ] Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 ] See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! ] [Last web site update: 01/15/99] Cheers, Bill.

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Daily Laugh!

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Derek Peschel <dpeschel(a)u.washington.edu> wrote: ] > Um, Derek, you're gonna unsubscribe this, right? ] ] I just did, and they weren't subscribed in the first place. ] ] I wonder if I can change the configuration so that only subscribed people ] can send things to the list? Is that really a good idea? ] ] -- Derek One possible problem is that I often stumble across somebody needing advice or having some interesting thing available, and it often tell them just to send mail to this list. Heck, I just got through telling this to the guy maintaining the US EPA computer recycling web page. He replied, agreeing to mention it. (But it looks like he has not yet done it.) Here's the (hideous) URL: http://epainotes1.rtpnc.epa.gov:7777/r10/owcm.nsf/d60e13abe847c4cb882564de0… Seems like the choice is between being open to spam, being less friendly to outsiders, or requiring constant work by a moderator. How about making this list open to posting only from subscribers, and having some secondary list address (ie: another list) that is left totally open, and anything interesting gets forwarded from that to the real list. Only one person at a time need subscribe to the secondary list, and act as the forwarder. So Derek wouldn't get overworked, and we could take turns on "door-duty" just by changing who subscribes to that. It's clunky, but it's the best idea I've had in the past sixty seconds. :-) Bill.

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HP Apollo 400

by amirault＠epix.net

Hi Everyone, I came across a Hewlett Packard Apollo 400. Can anyone tell me anything about this machine. I know nothing about it. I would like to know the processor speed, approximate date of manufacture,something about the ram amount(I do know that it has two ram boards in it). Thanks in advance for all the help. John Amirault

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FS: PS/2 50Z with tape and external floppy

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

Well I'll be posting things as I get throught them since I have a move in the next 6mos to a year ahead and there's way too much here. I'll only post what I think the readers of this list would be interested in, at as low a price as I can go. I have an IBM PS/2 model 50Z (286) with factory tape drive (unknown format) that is fit into the B: drive bay, and a 360k external floppy drive unit (IBM). No keyboard or monitor. I believe it has a 30 or 40mb hard drive and 1 or 2mb ram. I gave over $35 for this machine without the external floppy, basically on a whim for future use. I haven't had a use for it yet due to no time. I'd like to see this unit get used where it will be appreciated. You can even bump it up to a 386 with one of those 286 to 386 upgrades like a "Snap-In" made by Intel or others. The tapedrive slot looks like a QIC-80 size but taller. Like I say this is unknown but should be common enough. Shipping weight from 40144 would be roughly 32 -34 lbs. I need to see $25 for the unit and external floppy drive, plus the USPS shipping. If you are near the central US, shipping shouldn't be too bad. It all works great but the only thing on the hard disk (IIRC) is DOS so you'll have to visit IBM's FTP for the tape and floppy drive drivers, no big task though for most of us. All the hard ware is IBM so it should be an easy thing to locate. Email me driect at RHBLAKE(a)BIGFOOT.COM if you might seriously be interested.

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Time to share a source - W.J.Ford Surplus

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

I love the add-on from Doug - priceless <grin>!!! Also, for when you absolutely must get an antique HP part that isn't available, and you've reached the end of your rope and are now willing to pay severe cash for it.... There's crisis, mbg, and norco. They all still sell stuff for HP1000, 2100, 21mx, A series, etc.... and more. Be warned, the prices assume you are buying for a business use system - they give new meaning to the term stiff pricing. But - in a pinch... Jay West -----Original Message----- From: Doug <doug(a)blinkenlights.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, January 31, 1999 12:00 PM Subject: Re: Time to share a source - W.J.Ford Surplus >On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Andrew Davie wrote: > >> Do you guys/gals have any idea how hard it is to share a (almost sacred) >> hunting ground? > >Do you know how hard it is when somebody else decides to share your sacred >hunting ground? Ford is good for HP stuff, among others.... > >-- Doug > >

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Prime and DPS6

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

Oh - I didn't know anyone here collected Prime computers. My company used to specialize in Pick and Pick-like operating systems (such as prime information and the honeywell dps6 version of Ultimate OS). If anyone is looking for Pr1me gear, I know where most of it in the St. Louis area is... probably know a few customers who still have their DPS6's in storage too. Just let me know... Matter of fact, I know where a completely working Prime 2550 with 1/2 tape drive bay is. They said anyone could have it, just cart it away. It's in pristine shape, along with all load tapes, docs, etc. Jay West -----Original Message----- From: John Lawson <jpl15(a)netcom.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, January 31, 1999 10:43 AM Subject: SoCal TRW Swapmeet > > > Ah yes... nice cool wx, mid 70s... good company, and everybody >and their dog turned out for it.. I got down there at 6:15 am and >the seller's set-up area was already half full. > > I got the rest of the cables for my Prime system.. now I can see >if it boots. > > I got a *bunch* of books... most came from five boxes that I >bought for $20... intending to take home and browse thru... but as >I was unpacking the truck, book-sharks came from everywhere and very >soon I had sold almost all of them... barely keeping the ones I >wanted, and neeless to say at a tidy profit... :) Not much in >the way of stunning classiccmp-related items... Doug got that one >(the Basis machine new-in-the-box)... someone left a poor Televideo >912 behind when they left so I rescued it. I found some more disk >packs for my CDC 9766 drive. > > Next one is next month... the last saturday in February.. anyone >in the Los Angeles area then is invited to attend... there will be >a Classiccmp Bash/Banquet/Brag session right afterwards.. > > > Cheerz > >John > > PS: Oooppss... I forgot about the Russian Typewriter I bought.. I >had to have it.. a nice 50's Royal Standard... all Cyrillic.... >too cool! >

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Hello all!

by museum＠techniche.com

Hi Jay, I wanted to reply to you. I have a system that you might be interested in. It's a 2100S Microprogrammable System Computer It is a rack mount box about a foot high and 2.5 feet deep. I also have a similarly sized expansion box for it. These were pulled from a large bank of racked surplus equipment. It was all wired and presumably working when it was decommissioned. Although I've never applied power to it. In fact I also have some kind of an HP monitor that was attached. Both units are populated with cards (including HPIB interface cards and the cables to interconnect the two boxes). Someone once pointed me to a photograph of this system on the web, but I don't recall off-hand were it is. It has little square luminated push-button switched on the front of the primary box. The expansion box has a plain front panel. If this is the kind of item you're looking for we might be able to trade. I don't think I'd want to sell it outright. I didn't see where you were from. This unit is REAL heavy. Each of the two enclosures probably weigh about 80lbs so would probably be expensive to ship. I'm located in New Hampshire (zip 03103). I collect homebuilt kits and single board computers and related materials including documentation from approximately 1965-1985. Kind of things I'm looking for: Altair :: Imsai :: AIM-65 :: An original ELF :: Ohio Scientific equip. Ithaca :: maybe a PDP-8? :: definately a SCELBI H8 Jon >I just found out about this list so I thought I'd post this here in case >someone can help... I appologize if this is a repeat post! > >Looking for anything HP21MX or HP2000 related - cpu's, peripherals, etc. >Many of the HP1000 system peripherals are of interest too. My particular >interest is TSB (Time Share BASIC), not RTE, so I'm also interested in >IOP Roms, etc. > >Especially interested in the following: >21mx series cpus and controllers >2748A or 2748B high speed paper tape reader >790x type disk drives (7900, 7905, or 7906) >7970 tape drive >TSB 1541 rev c or later paper tape (binary, loader1, and loader2) > >This is for a private collection, hobbyist use (not business or resale) - >does anyone have any of this stuff around in storage they'd be willing to >part with? > >Please reply directly to jay(a)tseinc.com. Thanks! > >Jay West > > >

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Bernoulli cartridges

by edick＠idcomm.com

Golly! I recently passed up a $10 dual 150-meg unit at the local junk store. If I'd thought someone had that many cartridges in one place, I'd have bought the thing just to pass along to someone like you. Dick -----Original Message----- From: KFergason(a)aol.com <KFergason(a)aol.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, January 30, 1999 10:22 PM Subject: Re: Bernoulli cartridges >In a message dated 1/30/99 8:58:55 PM Central Standard Time, >dburrows(a)netpath.net writes: > >> I recently picked up about 30 150meg Bernoulli cartridges that have never >> been opened. According to the chart on the back they should work on the >> 90meg. >> Dan >> >hmm, i don't have any new ones, so the chart you are talking about makes >no sense to me. Can you write to the 150's with the 90M drive? perhaps, >format the cartridges as 90's? Is that what it means? > >just curious. >kelly

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Some finds and a few questions

by edick＠idcomm.com

I recently found a Xebec hard drive/box/powersupply arrangement in a thrift store. Since I was after the box and supply, the fact that the controller was integrated into the drive hardware, which made it almost completely inscrutable, was not a problem. If someone wants these remnants, they're up for grabs for the shipping cost . . . I also have a Tandy portable computer, which I was given, which might be of some interest to someone. Since I don't know a thing about it and don't want to learn, this is also available for the cost of shipping. It's quite small, but not exactly "pocket size" though I guess it's closer to that than to a desktop of the time. I was given a wall-wart and a cable along with it, and it has an integrated printer, I believe. Dick -----Original Message----- From: David Williams <dlw(a)trailingedge.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, January 30, 1999 10:32 PM Subject: Some finds and a few questions I finally had a chance to get out and hit a few thrifts again. I was chained in a studio working on an anime, but I'm free again. Anyway, I found a Xebec Sider harddrive. Was this for the Apple //? Something was loose inside so I checked and found a small rectangle filled with some ceramic like stuff and a wire sticking out of each end inside of the PSU. Can't seem to see anywhere in the power supply where this thing may have come from but also can't see how it could have gotten inside if it didn't belong. Not even sure what it is. Any ideas anyone? Also would like any info on the drive type, size interface, etc. It is a model 9710H. Looks like I can pull the drive from the case and hook up a different PSU. On another note, anyone tell me anything about a handheld unit, I think it was an LK-3000 or some such, I'll have to go back and check. The guy wants $50 for it and also has a Tandy Pocket Computer for $40 I'm thinking of picking up. Other things I grabbed: Odyssey2 in box Coleco Adam in box (damn big box for a home console system) Atari 1040STf (may sell/trade this as I have one and an STfm too) Couple of Apple 5.25" drives Misc software and books For those of you who were interested in the Mattel Aquarius Data Recorders, after two months of no replies to my query on where to drop off the money and pick up the recorders, I have finally given up on them. They said they accepted my offer but then they just fell silent. Guess they found someone else with a better offer. ----- David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)trailingedge.com http://www.trailingedge.com

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SoCal TRW Swapmeet

by jpl15＠netcom.com

Ah yes... nice cool wx, mid 70s... good company, and everybody and their dog turned out for it.. I got down there at 6:15 am and the seller's set-up area was already half full. I got the rest of the cables for my Prime system.. now I can see if it boots. I got a *bunch* of books... most came from five boxes that I bought for $20... intending to take home and browse thru... but as I was unpacking the truck, book-sharks came from everywhere and very soon I had sold almost all of them... barely keeping the ones I wanted, and neeless to say at a tidy profit... :) Not much in the way of stunning classiccmp-related items... Doug got that one (the Basis machine new-in-the-box)... someone left a poor Televideo 912 behind when they left so I rescued it. I found some more disk packs for my CDC 9766 drive. Next one is next month... the last saturday in February.. anyone in the Los Angeles area then is invited to attend... there will be a Classiccmp Bash/Banquet/Brag session right afterwards.. Cheerz John PS: Oooppss... I forgot about the Russian Typewriter I bought.. I had to have it.. a nice 50's Royal Standard... all Cyrillic.... too cool!

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Heads-up TRS80 m4

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

Meant to post this heads-up last week, but if someone is interested, it might be still available. Usual contract the mailer NOT me. ciao larry ...............................................................................

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Bernoulli cartridges

by KFergason＠aol.com

In a message dated 1/30/99 8:58:55 PM Central Standard Time, dburrows(a)netpath.net writes: > I recently picked up about 30 150meg Bernoulli cartridges that have never > been opened. According to the chart on the back they should work on the > 90meg. > Dan > hmm, i don't have any new ones, so the chart you are talking about makes no sense to me. Can you write to the 150's with the 90M drive? perhaps, format the cartridges as 90's? Is that what it means? just curious. kelly

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new toy!

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<The 3.5 inch drive conversion. Using modern media on this machine would <simplify things enormously. However I don't have the facilities to burn <my own roms, so if it involves patching the bios rom (like it sounds like) <I'll stick with 5.25 I guess. Just get a Advent turborom... TCJ has them. Since the DQDD 5.25 format is 781k and that works well on 3.5" disks as well. <That's right. It has the pads and traces for probably a 50 pin header jus <behind the floppy connection header. Is this where I'd plug in the <hard disk controller if I had it? And I don't suppose anyone ever made It use a host interface controller try TCJ or find a 1002HDO + MFM drive. <a SCSI host adapter for this thing? being able to use SCSI disks in it <like I do in nearly every other machine I own would be VERY handy. (yes, <I'm a SCSI bigot. I lothe IDE). No hope for SCSI though there was IDE interface. Allison

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electromechanical calculator

by Jgzabol＠aol.com

Today I run into a Monroe CAA-10 electromechanical calculator, totally accidentally and unplanned. I am not in electromechanical devices, but it looked nice, so I bought it for approx. US$60. Question: Is this in any way rare or significant, or is it something where everybody has already 10 pieces of ? Does anyone know the manufacturing period ? There is no date on the machine, but the style impresses me as definitely 50-ish. John G. Zabolitzky

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Kennedy tape drive part

by museum＠techniche.com

If any of you have Kennedy tape drives this might interest you. I was at the local Junk store this morning and found a box full of the rubber o-rings that are used on the Tape reel retaining latch (both reels). I bought a couple and compared them to my originals and they appear to be exactly the same. They are in good condition, still flexible and supple. No dryness or cracking. If anyone wants me to pick up any let me know. They're 50 cents apiece plus shipping, which shouldn't be much. There were quite a few so I don't think that supply is a problem. Let me know soon. Jon

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electromechanical calculator

by zmerch＠30below.com

On or about 05:23 PM 1/30/99 -0500, R. Stricklin (kjaeros) was caught in a dark alley speaking these words: >I had a '50s-ish Monroe electromechanical desk caluclator when I was in >elementary school. I convinced my parents to buy it for me from a JC >Penney firesale. I think it cost around $15. This would've been in the >late 1980s. I'm going to try to keep this on-topic (or at least close)... My parents had a '60's Victor, which cost big $$$, but was no longer used, so they kept it in the attic. Occasionally, they'd bring it down and let us kids play on it, but I was the only one who had any interest in it whatsoever. >I remember thinking it was pretty groovy, even if there were some things >about it I didn't quite understand how to make work properly. > >My little brother pushed it off my desk on day and it stopped working, so >I reluctantly threw it away. When I was 11 or 12, I broke the Victor in a non-violent way, but had no clue how until a few years later... See, this Victor had the ability to divide, and at the time I broke it, I had no idea that dividing by zero was a bad idea..... Damn, the racket that thing made (and still makes today if you plug it in) as it tries to keep dividing by zero whenever power is applied. Can't do it on computers now, either. (Thank goodness for error trapping... ;-) See ya, "Merch" ===== Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- zmerch(a)30below.com SysAdmin - Iceberg Computers ===== Merch's Wild Wisdom of the Moment: ===== Sometimes you know, you just don't know sometimes, you know?

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Plato terminal

by gregorym＠cadvision.com

Hi Geoff, I think you'll find that you have 32K of additional memory for your 99/4A. All of the expansion cards I ever saw for TI's Peripheral Expansion Box (TM) were 32K. Cheers! Mark "A 99'er from way back" Gregory. At 07:01 PM 1/30/99 +1030, you wrote: >I vaguely seem to remember that the Plato Courseware also ran, or they had a >version for, the TI99/4A. >They were pushing it at schools and the like IIRC. >My first real computer was a TI....Still got it here somewhere, complete >with the expansion box and 24k of additional ram, and a 5.25" FDD. > >Cheers > >Geoff Roberts >Computer Room Internet Cafe >Port Pirie >South Australia. >netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au > > >

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photographing olf computers/parts

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 30, 19:33, Tony Duell wrote: > The names comes from the fact that if the film was perfect there's a > reciprocal relationship between the exposure time and the aperture area Exactly. > In other words, bracket the exposures - take the same picture at several > different exposures and use the best one. > > The effect is that colour balance can be wildly different at very short > > or very long exposure times. > While undoubtedly true in theory, I don't think this will affect most > people on this group. I've taken a lot of pictures inside buildings > without flash (exposures of 20 seconds, perhaps), using Kodachrome. Kodachrome is more tolerant than many films, but in general you'd need exposures over a minute or so to see a serious cast develop. > > Also, ordinary B/W film is "panchromatic" -- sensitive to most of the > > visible colour range (and also to UV, which is why most professionals tend > > to put a UV or "skylight" filter on every lens as a matter of course). > > That, and a new filter is cheaper than a new lens if you happen to knock > it against something ;-) Or have it splattered with salt spray :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Bernoulli cartridges

by mbg＠world.std.com

I picked up two drives at the MIT flea's last year... I was only able to get two disks... if you find a source, please let me know as well (yes, I have the 90 MB version too). Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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MN get together

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Sorry but this the only way to contact all the folks at the same time. We would like to have get together at one the members home here in Burnsville within the next couple weeks to discuss the classic's or whatever. We were thinking of ordering pizza and you folks can bring your own drinks (beer,soda). Please e-mail me at jrkeys(a)concentric.net if you feel this something we would like to start on monthly or every two month basis. Thanks and all others sorry for using list.

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interesting book

by gregorym＠cadvision.com

The "Pink Shirt" book was The Peter Norton Programmer's Guide To The IBM PC, subtitled "The ultimate reference guide to the entire family of IBM personal computers". It was first published, incidentally, by Microsoft Press in 1985. Mark. At 09:19 AM 1/30/99, you wrote: >At 08:45 PM 1/29/99 -0600, you wrote: >>> > >>> > Well well, people throw out the darndest things.. >>> > >>> > I found a copy of a book by someone named Peter Norton. Looks to me >like it >>> > may have been his first book. Called 'inside the IBM PC'. >>> >>> Isn't this the well-known pink-shirt book (so called because of the cover >>> picture). >>> >> >>Nope, it has a circuitboard as a background, and some horizontal fake >>lightning on the cover. > > That's his first edition. The second also showed a circuit board but >without the lightning. I remember the pink shirt book it was also PN but I >don't remember exactly what the book was. > > Joe > > >

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Daily Laugh crap

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

The Daily Laugh spam originated from the domain virgin.net, which is hosted by cableol.net, a UK-based ISP. I have sent a formal request to cableol.net to curb their customer. Based on the very tough stance against spam that most UK ISPs seem to take, I don't think we'll be hearing anything more from virgin.net. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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photographing olf computers/parts

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 29, 17:31, Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner wrote: > So, a picture taken at f16 (smallest apature) at 8 (1/8 second shutter > speed) will let in the same amount of light as f11 at 15, f8 at 30, [...] > Now, what's the difference between f16/8 and f1.4/1000? > Field of focus, or that part of the picture that is sharply in focus. That's the most obvious difference, and the only one you'd need to consider for a static subject with a camera on a tripod, at "normal" shutter speeds. As Tony pointed out, a moving subject will be subject to greater blurring at slow shutter speeds. For a hand-held camera, there will also be some evidence of blurring due to the unsteadiness of the operator; for a normal 35mm SLR in competent hands you'll typically start to see this at speeds below 1/125s. As Tony(?) also mentioned, at *really* small apertures (f/22 or smaller) the definition falls off, even though the depth of field increases. There is another difference, of particular importance to colour film, due to what's know as "reciprocity failure". At very short and very long exposures, the "double the aperture, double the speed" rule breaks down, and you find that you need longer exposures than you might expect (because of the particulate nature of the film emulsion, and the activation energy of the silver halides and dye sensitisers in it). For B/W film, that just means it seems slower outside the normal shutter speed range. Astronomers are well aware of this, for exposures of a minute or so, speed can easily drop by a factor of 2. Worse still, colour film is actually made up of three or more layers (typically 6 layers, plus a dye layer), and they aren't all the same. Although they're balanced for "normal" eposures, reciprocity failure begins to show itself at different times for the different layers. The effect is that colour balance can be wildly different at very short or very long exposure times. > Also, film is more sensative to light than paper is (about an order of > magnitude). Indoor light is cooler (redder) than outdoor light (bluer) and > there, you can balance the colors either in the film (special film for > indoor use), filters on the camera (let's see if I remember here---a red > filter for indoor use will cut down the reds and let more blue through, thus > increasing the tempurature of the scene if you ahve outdoor film and are > trying to use it indoors) or during the print processing.. Also, ordinary B/W film is "panchromatic" -- sensitive to most of the visible colour range (and also to UV, which is why most professionals tend to put a UV or "skylight" filter on every lens as a matter of course). Paper and process film is usually "orthochromatic" -- insensitive to reds -- or "blue-sensitive", which is why darkroom safelights are usually yellow. By "indoor light" I assume you mean tungsten lighting? Yes, it's redder, but you need a *blue* filter to compensate, if you're using "daylight" film (which is what most ordinary colour film is). These filters usually have a filter-factor of about 2 to 4, ie they cut the effective speed of the film by between 2 times and 4 times. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Plato terminal

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

Well, i figured it was about time I took my terminal out of the closet and tried to get it to work again. Well, the good news is it still appears to be working. This beast is a Control Data Corporation Plato terminal. As far as I know, its the original model of plato terminal. Touch screen, vector graphics, square monitor area... big base unit a tad bigger than my IBM pentium computer, with a video display unit that sits on top and merges with teh base unit. Keyboard is about as non-standard as i've ever seen. There are side panels on both sides of the base unit, which contain all the circuit cards for the smart terminal. It looks like this was made around 1975 since the proms are dated then, and some other board had a chip dated 1974... 8080a cpu.. I have the optional modem card, not that i can use it (1200 rcv, 150 xmt ;) ;) This baby can support all sorts of baud rates, most of which are useless ;) Lets see, if i recieve at 1260 baud, i can transmit at one of these rates: 1260, 630, 157.5, 126, 78.2 baud. If I recieve at 1200 baud (yes! a useful rate) I can transmit at 1200, 600, 150, 120, 75 baud. I only have 4K ram, does anyone have a spare 4k ram board for this ;) ;) I can see why I havent been using this, it looks like I need to wire up a rs-232 adapter box. Pin 3 is recieve, pin 14 is transmit, pin 7 is ground. Am I correct in assuming that i just need to move 14 to 2, or am i getting 2 and 3 swapped around? I woudl want to connectthis termianl to a cp/m computer as its console, and not to a modem. Ok, time for the impossible question: Does anyone have a manual for this? I had some leftover old 1000 speed film in teh old automatic-everything el-cheapo 35mm camera, so i turned onteh flash and snapped a few photos, so with any luck i'll have some poor images of this beast by tomorrow. Hmm, if no manual is available, maybe an old termcap entry might make this terminal useful again.... How many thousands of dollars is this beast worth? i may go broke buying cloth covers for this stuff ;) -Lawrence LeMay

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photographing olf computers/parts

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

> Does anyone have any suggestions for ways to photograph parts of my > collection? All i have is a basic 35mm camera and a polaroid... > > Should i use high speed 35mm film becasue of low light conditions indoors, > or is a slower speed more important? Or is it important to have a white > background for contrast.. Or should i try placing things on a flat bed > scanner, etc.. > > Any suggestions are appreciated. I want to photograph some of my rarer > items (Teraks, Sun 1, if you saw that Burroughs core memory that just > sold on ebay I have one of those too plus a foot long chunk of wire-wrapped > boards from that computer, etc). I think Tony and Jim have said most of what I would say, but: Use the longest focal length you can while still getting the required magnification and fitting within the room. A macro lens is very useful here, or, failing that, extension tubes (but if you don't have through-the-lens metering, remember to correct the f-number for the increased distance between lens and film). The slower 35mm films are pretty good with a decent lens, but if you can get the required magnification with the polaroid, it may be worth considering since it is likely to be a less grainy process, and a larger film area (i.e. lower resolution per inch <= same resolution across whole picture) I have little experience with lighting computer stuff, but I imagine (say) a board full of chips might require several light sources to avoid the chips casting strange shadows. Philip.

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Daily Laugh! - Spam Control

by KFergason＠aol.com

In a message dated 1/30/99 10:45:17 AM Central Standard Time, jax(a)tvec.net writes: > Will pass on a particularly evil bit of code for those that despise > mass-marketing spammers.... > > ------- Snip ------------- > > _How to Nuke spammers__ > Something this useful just has to be illegal. or fattening. ob classiccmp: does anyone know of a (cheap) source for bernoulli cartridges? I have snarfed a 90 transportable from work that was being tossed, and I like it. The zips and sparq's, jaz's, etc, they all seem, well, flimsy. This guy's a tank. Also, does anyone need any 20Mb bernoulli cartridges? I have a bunch. Kelly

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