- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: R. D. Davis [mailto:rdd@rddavis.org] > Out of curiosity, how many here care whether or not the machines they > collect are considered "collectable" or "top collectable?" Isn't the > point of collecting these machines to have fun toys to play with? > Collecting was more fun, and the machines were easier to find, when > nearly everyone considered them worthless a decade or so ago. Well, you didn't ask how many "don't care," but I'm going to chime in anyway. ;) I couldn't care less what the rest of the world thinks about my computers. In fact, as you said, I'd prefer they thought them worthless to an extent (though, that would actually make some things I'm interested in more difficult to find, since they would get trashed more often -- it's a mixed blessing). I collect machines for my own personal educational and recreational purposes. Admittedly, rarity is sometimes a factor, since any machine that you find which is "rare," may have all kinds of quirks or features which weren't replicated in other systems. Those interest me; the actual "collectability" of a system does not. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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MicroVAX-II questions

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc Shipley [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > Everything VMS I've looked at says the DEQNA is unsupported in VMS > >v5.2. Is that unsupported as in "don't call DEC/Compaq/HP", or > unsupported as in "it don't work"? Am I stuck with NetBSD then? Does > anyone know if NBSD will mop-boot over the DEQNA? I don't have VMS > older than 6.2. ISTR that's correct, and that's unsupported as in "We never could get it to work right, so you're on your own..." The suggested solution I've seen is to replace it with a DELQA board. :) Try it with 6.2. If it works, it works. If not, let me know, I may eventually be able to get a bootable MicroVMS 4.x setup on tk50. That is to say, I have MicroVMS 4.x on a VAX with a questionable RD54 (takes several minutes to spin up properly), and a shot tape controller. I will, as soon as I can replace the tape controller, produce a bootable backup if it kills me. > Oh yeah. It boots. VMS 5.2, but it's looking for the rest of a > cluster, and apparently a lot of its filespace was remote. Bummer. > Other than that, and the fact that I can't get it upstairs, > it's a cool > "little" box. Ok, have you tried booting it conversationally, and turning off the clustering? (I have never tried this, but it seems like it might work.) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Thinning the heard

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > Actually, I bet it's more like: friends first, then back-scratchers, > then local folk, then finally out on the list. As it should be. > No dibbing. Unless Sridhar gives up on that 270. Then it's mine. Heh. :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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OT Mitsubishi Monitor Weirdness

by vance＠ikickass.org

Hi people. I have a Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 900u (nowhere near on-topic but I figure people here might know better what causes this kind of problem). If I provide it with a sync-on-green signal to its BNC connectors (It has five, I connect three), the monitor syncs up just fine, but all the areas that are black show up with a green cast. The white areas show up just fine. I haven't looked at an image with color yet, but I would guess that all the colors would probably be shifted towards the green. Any ideas? Peace... Sridhar

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by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Depends on the type of stone ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Ben Franchuk [mailto:bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca] Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 9:09 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Seen on RISKS-L Adrian Graham wrote: > What horse crap (as we all know)! Typical bloody uk journalists who can't be > arsed to research a story properly. If they want to see if it's *really* > still unreadable give the disks to me and I'll use them in my own Domesday > machine, based on one of those *wow*r@re* BBC Micros. > > Or do they mean the discs themselves aren't readable anymore, regardless of > whether you've got a Domesday machine or not? Stone tablets still keep better. -- Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu * www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> In any sufficiently large organization there will be lost files, > ones that are physically present but "lost" due to the owner > keeping important contextual information with him and either > leaving or dying. These lost files could be either paper or > digital; doesn't matter much. > sufficiently large = 15+ people > sufficiently old = 10+ years yes, this is true for the architecture firm I work for. Some earliest work didn't get archived. A *very* few archive disks (128MB and 230MB M-O) have developed problems that cause the loss of one or two files. But given the way they organize their CAD here, the floor plan or detail info they need is often contained in another drawing. We did some early visualization work on the Mac using Gimeor's Architreon, which is a dead product that never made it to another platform. However, I have been opening the animations and taking snapshots, frame-by-frame, so I can bring those animations over to the PC and show them there. It's a lot of work, admittedly... -dq

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Metro: Time runs out for Domesday discs

by alan.pearson＠cramer.com

>stored on 12-inch video discs that were only readable by the BBC Micro, of >which only a handful still exist. Got to challenge that, unless they're referring to the "handful" I've got sitting in the Toy Barn. And I doubt I'm the only one in the UK with several working Beebs :-) Al.

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by korpela＠ssl.berkeley.edu

>Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:51:50 -0000 >From: "LEESON, Chris" <CHRIS.LEESON(a)london.sema.slb.com> >Subject: Metro: Time runs out for Domesday discs > >The BBC's 1986 Domesday Project (a time capsule containing sound, images, >video and data defining life in Britain) is now unreadable. The data was >stored on 12-inch video discs that were only readable by the BBC Micro, of >which only a handful still exist. The time capsule contains "250,000 place >names, 25,000 maps, 50,000 pictures, 3,000 data sets and 60 minutes of >moving pictures.". The article notes that the original Domesday Book >(compiled in 1086 for tax purposes) is still in "mint condition". >[Source: London *Metro*, 01 Mar 2002] > >Additional comments of my own: > >The BBC Micro, along with the original Sinclair Computers, was the computer >that sparked off the "computer revolution" in the UK. The BBC Micro was >especially popular in schools, whereas the Sinclair computers were more >popular in the home. > >To be fair, the 1986 Domesday Project was in the days before the really >rapid changes in technology came into force - the BBC Micro was not a bad >choice of platform then, especially when you consider that there were very >few other choices available (50,000 pictures alone take up a lot of space). > >Moral/Risk: If you are wanting long-term data storage, the format is just as >important as the materials. > >This is not a new problem - It has appeared in Risks before (RISKS-21.56: >'NASA data from 1970s lost due to "forgotten" file format' for one...), but >is worth keeping in mind. I still have an old Commodore 64/128 disk with my >(very) old account details on it - not that I have a C64/128 any more. My >permanent records, however, are the printouts. > >PS: "Domed... We are all Doomed..."

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by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] > Sent: 07 March 2002 15:57 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Seen on RISKS-L > > If someone actually knows how the data is encoded then it > doesn't sound > very "unreadable" to me. Considering that all the people who designed the project are still around I'd agree with that. The text you replied to was from Andy Finney's website, and Andy Finney was one of the Domesday project members..... a

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by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: John Foust [mailto:jfoust@threedee.com] > Sent: 07 March 2002 21:17 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Seen on RISKS-L > > You'd think the actual problem must be that the discs are > becoming unreadable, or that kind of LD player is hard to find > or maintain, or that there was some custom controller that's It was an Acorn SCSI controller inside the Twin-CPU BBC Master that connected to the LV-ROM transport, and even the transport was a bog-standard Philips Laserdisc player; granted with some extra gubbins on the bottom for SCSI access to the transport. Greenweld electronics (www.greenweld.co.uk) are still selling the Philips Laserdisc player in question for ukp30. Oh, and up until recently the London Science Museum had a working Domesday setup.... a www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk; *wow*r@re Domesday machine home!

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Top collectable machines

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> It was my understanding that Stardent was the result of a > merger between Ardebnt (nee Dana) and Stellar. This was correct; Poduska was also a founder of Stellar; he wrote the business plans for Prime, Apollo, Stellar, and Stardent. He has always limited himself to a 20-page plan, which many credit as one element of his success. -dq

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Intel iPSC/1, TI Explorer II, Symbolics 3620 documentation, software sought

by tony.eros＠machm.org

Does anyone have documentation or software for the Intel iPSC/1, TI Explorer II or Symbolics 3620 that they'd be willing to share? I'd like to start playing with some of my toys. Thanks! -- Tony

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Data I/O Unisite programmer

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Is anyone familar with these? I don't don't know much about them other than that the surplus dealers all think they're worth a fortune. Anyway I "rescued" one out of a scrap pile. First, is it worth trying to repair and use? I already have a Data I/O model 29. Second, it's missing the two disk drives but otherwise it seems to be in decent condition. Can these use standard 3.5" floppy drives? I THINK these have their complete operating system on disk. Can anyone confirm that? Does anyone have the SW or manuals for it? Joe

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Beehive terminals CPU?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

IIRC A couple of months ago somebody on this list said that the Beehive terminals used 4040 CPUs. Can anyone confirm that? Yesterday I spotted a pair of old two-tome brown Beehive terminals in a trash pile and I was wondering if I should go back and pick them up. Joe

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Thinning the heard

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

An aside to all this, and hopefully the last words. The equipment was mine to dispose of. How, is my choice. To put it bluntly, if there were no response, I'd have called a few people on last resort and if no interest I'd have then landfilled them. Often with my time being very limited I will impose those conditions that will least impact my time. Usually no outside the US 48 states as packing, paperwork and shipping requires *time* even if minimal effort. I am not a business with a shipping department. Personally I'd rather see them used or at least recycled. However, I dont have unlimited space and If I can't use it or don't use it then maybe it's time to remove it. I was glad that there were at least three people that could and would pick them up. Allison

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by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Hi, This is an unreasonable request. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Torquil MacCorkle III <torquil(a)rockbridge.net> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, March 07, 2002 10:17 PM Subject: Re: Thinning the heard >Hi, > I think it is very nice of you to give away machines like this. I was >just wondering if you'd be willing to, if you do this again, give me first >dibs on the next complete machine you give away? > Thanks for the generosity to the list, > torquil >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Allison" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 11:12 AM >Subject: Thinning the heard > > >> Thanks everyone. >> >> The two Pros are claimed. >> >> In the future there may be other hardware but, not alot. >> I'm not getting out it's more a selection process as I >> with to run more of the peices and that takes space. >> >> Allison >> >> > >

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Top collectable machines

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Stardent was not a follow-on from Ardent. > > > > Stardent made a graphics supercomputer with a fancy very wide data path > > between the CPU and the graphics engine. Something like 512 bits > > wide... > > > > My wife worked there. Stardent attempted to generate a market for a > > product that did not already exist. Some were sold for scientific > > visualization and other high-end uses. Quite a unique machine > > really...not your average workstation at all. > > Cool. I have one which I got from the University of Texas at Austin last > summer. I believe that I owe it to a list member who sent me some cool > hardware in exhange for it. I may be confusing it with another firm, but I think Bill Poduska founded Stardent after leaving Apollo... -dq

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I suspect the practicality is that, although technically feasable to convert > to a DVD, _copyright_ issues prevent any commercial project from > doing so (starting with the arm and a leg than ordnance survey would charge > for the map data, and following with the impossibility of contacting all the > other copyright holders) and the amount of work required (and legal > minefield) being too much for a hobby project. Has "migrating a copyrighted work from an older decaying medium to a newer stable medium" had a court test already? -dq

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Mitsubishi monitor problem.

by vance＠ikickass.org

Never mind. The Clamp pulse setting was in the wrong position. Peace... Sridhar

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Punch Card Humor

by jismay＠gkar.unixboxen.net

I was going through the archives on www.techtales.com, and I came across this one: Punch Card Problems This one really belongs to my dad. Many years ago, he was using a PDP 8 with 8k of core for generating geological maps. All the programmes and data were entered via punch card or paper tape. On one run, it just wouldn't work. All the cards were manually checked, a very labour and time intensive process. Still nothing worked. Eventually, the whole run was repunched card by card and in the end it did work. Some detective work revealed the source of the errors. The dye used in the blue punch cards was slightly hygroscopic. The absorbed water made all the blue cards slightly longer than the rest, just long enough to throw off the reader. The solution: replace all the blue cards....... Thanks to: Araneas -- Love of the Goddess makes the poet go mad he goes to his death and in death is made wise. Robert Graves

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Wanted: DECNA

by dittman＠dittman.net

If anyone has a DECNA they'd like to sell or trade, please let me know. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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ADV: International Trade

by calmanagement＠earthlink.net

If you are in the International Trade, you need to join the FREE Trade Group, Itrade http://www.2wongs.com/itrade.htm Join today - IT'S FREE Disclaimer: This is NOT SPAM - You have received this e-mail because at one time or another you requested information from us regarding international trade or excess merchandise. We comply with all proposed and current laws on commercial e-mail under (Bill s. 1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th Congress). If you have received this e-mail in error, we apologize for the inconvenience and ask that you remove yourself. Just return this email and enter REMOVE as the subject. Thank you.

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Decwriters

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: William Donzelli [mailto:aw288@osfn.org] > > Well, I've got to have somebody go out to Mass. to get the > > Prime anyway, so I'll probably just have them go past the > > museum. :) > Talk to me off the list. I did attempt to contact you off list, after you emailed me a reply to my original question about how much this thing would cost to ship. :) I just assumed you were busy and hadn't gotten around to answering. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Decwriters

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: William Donzelli [mailto:aw288@osfn.org] > > I have one spoken for, in Champaign, IL. That might be out of your > > way from (or to) Chicago, though. I'm not sure. > We could meet somewhere north of Champaign. After all, I am > going to have > to go just south of the lake anyway. Well, I've got to have somebody go out to Mass. to get the Prime anyway, so I'll probably just have them go past the museum. :) Out of curiosity, when are you making this trip, though? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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AIM-65 Questions

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all, I recently completed a trade for an AIM-65 that is about 80-90% working, but needs a little TLC. Hopefully someone here can help.... It appears to have the BASIC ROMs installed, and in the right sockets, but pressing "5" on the keyboard only results in the "<5>" display, and then the AIM hangs up. Only a press of the Reset button will free it up. I suspect the ROMs may be flaky, since one had quite a bit of (for lack of a better word) gunk on the tops of the pins. I cleanied it all off, but there may be some internal damage. These ROMs are part number 2332. I suspect these are 2732-compatible, at least in read mode, and not program mode... Does anyone have a ROM dump in Hex format? If so, could you email it to me so I can burn new ones? Actually, while I'm at it, if anyone has ANY of the AIM-65 ROMs dumped in Hex format, I'd appreciate copies. Then I could burn a whole new set... Also, the keyboard needs cleaning pretty badly. Unfortunately, I do not remember the manufacturer name or model #, but it is the standard AIM-65 keyboard. Has anyone ever fully taken one apart to clean it? If so, any gotchas? Thanks! Rich B. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >Moral/Risk: If you are wanting long-term data storage, the format is just as > >important as the materials. > > > >This is not a new problem - It has appeared in Risks before (RISKS-21.56: > >'NASA data from 1970s lost due to "forgotten" file format' for one...), but > >is worth keeping in mind. I still have an old Commodore 64/128 disk with my > >(very) old account details on it - not that I have a C64/128 any more. My > >permanent records, however, are the printouts. Hogwash. I can't recall how many times someone handed me a tape back in the 80s, totally unaware of the format of the data on it, that required only time and dedication in order to turn back into something useful. NASA hasn't lost data, it's lost the will to hire and retain talented people who can make things work. Just like everyplace else in this whacko economy... -dq

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IBM PC Server 500

by musicman38＠mindspring.com

Thank You everyone for all the Information on my PC Server 500 find. I found the manual on the IBM site as suggested by a kind soul here. I may just go ahead and see if I can repair the PS, as it did not smoke when it went out, it just popped, so it may be possible as someone suggested that it's just a fuse inside the PS. I now have to locate a special hex screw driver, as the screws are hex with a tiny post in the middle of the screw. However is it anything more than just a Intel Pentium 90 that has 6 SCSI 2.25 Gig hard drives on it ? Can it do anything special other than run RAID ? Thanks again for everyones comments.. Phil..

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Keys needed for Data I/O programmer

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all, I have a Data I/O 201 EPROM burner that needs some repairs to the keypad. It is missing the 1, 4, and 7 keytops, along with the white plastic pieces that fit under the keys, and keep the contacts open. Does anyone have a dead Data I/O 201 (or similar) that they'd be willing to pitch in my direction? I suppose I should call Data I/O for parts, but I haven't tried them yet... Thanks! Rich B. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > NASA hasn't lost data, it's lost the will to hire and > > retain talented people who can make things work. Just > > like everyplace else in this whacko economy... > > No arguing with that, but I think this particular example is real. The > problem is oversimplified and understated with the phrase "forgotton file > format" - if I'm remembering the incident accurately, it was more a case > of "obsolete media format" - 200 bpi *7* track tape, once common. Oh, it can be worse- CDC used to have 1-inch, 14-track drives, too... > I heard about this project during the 1995-1996 austral summer. > > -ethan > > P.S. - it was reminscent of the problems of reading the 1960 census. Like many genealogists, I'm still moaning the burning of the federal copies of the 1890 census. Can't tell you how many people would give up years of their lives to have that data. Each county should have kept their own originals, and each state should have kept a copy of their state's. But very little has ever surfaced other than the federal ones. OTOH, Harrison County, Indiana, where my ancestors settled after leaving the Shenandoah Valley, managed to finds its 1810 census, and hardly any region can find those anymore...

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New aquisition: Texas Instruments TI 980A

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

Just got a strange little toy from a friend who dug it out of a warehouse today... a TI 980A. I found a little bit on Al Kossow's Orphan page; does anyone know of any other sources for info on the 'net? It appears to be a 16-bit mini from 1972, 4Kwords to 32Kwords (mine has 8KW) with a variety of period peripherals available. Mine has an I/O card, a TTY card and a homemade card that extends the DMA slot and takes the signals over to a rack-mounted tray that is about 2.5 sq ft. of wire wrap sockets and chips dating from 1970 to 1993 (it was apparently in service somewhat recently I'm told). The CPU is on two cards plus a memory controller. That's about all I have on it at the moment. Oh! It does have toggle switches and blinkenlights. Here's what I could glean by reading numbers off of cards... "Arithmetic Unit 1" - assy 960754-0001E Board No 960755-001C "Arithmetic Unit 2" - assy 960751-0001G Board No 960752-001C "1103 Memory" - assy 226844-004N/RS Logic 226846-F (8K) "Memory Controller" - assy 960746-0001E Logic 960777-A "TTY interface" - assy 217394-0001H Logic 217359-F "I/O interface" - assy 960757-0001A Logic 960759 Anybody else out there have one? My friend is going to keep digging in the warehouse this month; he suspects he knows where some docs are, but he's not sure. -ethan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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photo of an 11/70 rack header panel please

by tuban＠cisco.com

Hello, I am looking for a nice clear and clean digital photo of the PDP 11/70 specific rack header (logo) panel, of the purple variety. I have an 11/70 in need of the correct panel and I have a blank panel from some other company, so I want to create a temporary panel until I can locate a real one... Thanks in advance! Please send the photo off-line, unless there is more interest than just my own. --tnx --tom

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What would a 20th Anniversary pdp11/93 be worth?

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Hrm. Question I got in the mail today: (combination of three emails I got from him..) >I have the 20th Anniversary PDP 11/83 that I won at the 1989 DECUS in >New Orleans. I have RSTS/E 10.0-L running on it. It had been sitting >since 1992 and I booted it up about 4 months ago and it has been running >since. > >I'm kind of partial to it. I go back to 1981 in RSTS/E with a PDP 11/70. >I would like to know how valuable it is? > >It is painted Black and has the 20th Anniversary PDP logo on both sides >and the front of it. And I probably have the shipping papers that came >with it. Thoughts? What *would* a machine like this be worth? Bill (BTW, I'm looking for an 11/73, /83, or /93...) -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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Teac FD-55B Floppy Oddity

by jcwren＠jcwren.com

My Otronas have FD-55B-01-U drives in them. I thought the drives were fried, since they wouldn't work on the Otrona nor on the PC, but in dinking around, I determined that on at least one drive (and probably the other), the head load solenoid is not pulling in. I see power being applied, but it only looks like +5V. I don't have schematics, and I'm not ready to risk wrecking the drives determining the following question: Should the solenoids pull in on +5 or +12? If I'm seeing +5, I suspect the solenoid driver transistor could be cooked. The solenoid coil is intact, as I'm seeing 44 ohms across it, out of circuit. In either case, I don't feel even the lightest twitch when it's supposed to pull in (and the jumper is in place, for load on motor select). Does anyone have any FD-55B (these are the 360K DS-DD 48 TPI) drives they'd like to part with, either to see an Otrona running, or in exchange for ye olde green stuffe? --John

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Old escala DPX 201

by hstaffa＠ix.netcom.com

I am trying to no evail find out what a honeywell bull escala dpx201 takes for memory ? Can anyone help

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Here's a link you all might like....

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Dave McGuire wrote: > > > Are you suggesting that the embassy is staffed by a bunch of > > dickheads? > > <playing straight man for Dave> > > You know who was the world's first computer operator? If you say Richard Head you will get one virtual nerf brick tossed in your direction immediately... 8-> -dq

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It's ALIVE!!! (Mark-8)

by bill_r＠inebraska.com

I bought one of the Mark-8 (8008) board sets from eBay 2 or 3 weeks ago, scrounged up all the parts, and set to work. It had non-plated-through holes so almost all the components had to be soldered on both sides of the board, and there were dozens of vias that had to be soldered in on each board as well. Did the smoke test with no CPU. No smoke, so I inserted the CPU, and it works! I found two problems on initial testing. There was a bad gate in a 7404 which was pulling down one of the data lines (replaced it), and I had missed a "top bus" jumper from the address/multiplex board to the memory board which allowed writes to memory (added a wire). That was it! It's pretty cool - just toggled in a test program and watched the lights blink as it looped over and over. Now I have to build a case and find a better power supply than my bench supply for permanent use, and then I start wire-wrapping an ELF! Whee!

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Guys, I've just had a conversation with the guy who originally told me about this product, and he had this to say (posted with his permission, of course): -----Original Message----- From: Brass Christof [mailto:welcome@spam.not] Yup, I stated so and I still remember that it was advertised by *NeXT*! At that time I was already a VMS afficionado but new to NeXTSTEP and wondered on which systems the applications could be run. And voil? - VMS was listed. Unfortunately I'm not sure at the moment whether it was VAX or Alpha but I assume it was Alpha. And I still have the flyer around somewhere but I don't think you'll be able to buy/get it. Good luck anyway! ------------------------- He also mentioned that it may have been and "in progress" port with a set release date that he saw, and that it was only the libraries, etc, so that you could compile NeXT stuff on VMS, but not develop it. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Shipping Big Iron & Rail Right-Of-Way Abandonment

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Where has rail been ripped up? I've never heard of that > happening. Is it a national trend? Of course, I'm aware of it primarily through local examples, but the local newspapers have run articles about how this is happening throughout the nation.... the midwest probably has more miles ot track to rip up, though... Recently, efforts have been underway to try to reclaim some abandoned right-of-way and use it to create light rail (i.e. trolley) lines... Once upon a time, there was a B&O spur that ran in front of the home I lived in as a child (not far from here)... Dad and I would walk one direction as far as the floodwall, and the other direction usually only as far as a small drug store that sold hot mixed nuts. Remember hot mixed nuts, hot peanuts, etc? Just a short walk further (which we never did) you'd find the coal company who used to deliver the coal by which we used to heat that house (did a natural gas conversion in '64 just before we moved out). But all that line is not greeway, replete with joggers... :( -dq

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New aquisition: Texas Instruments TI 980A

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Ethan hollered: > Anybody else out there have one? My friend is going to keep digging in > the warehouse this month; he suspects he knows where some docs are, but > he's not sure. Nope... but bacmk in '74, IU borrowed one of these from the Chemistry department, and with the help of en electronic engineer/Chemist who worked there, developed a TTL-to-CDC 6000 Direct Channel interface in order to use the TI as a front-end processor for the 6600. It worked very well, and the computer center tried to get one budgeted, but in the long run, they ended up with a Modcomp II instead. However, due to its historical important in IU's computer center development, it's on my watch list. So if you get tired of it...

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info on Intel 86/330 computer?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I just finished picking up four Intel Multibus computers. The labels on them say "sys 86/330" or "psyp 86/330". Is anyone familar with them? I searched Google but didn't find much except that they're not Y2K compatible. (surprise, surprise!) These have a six slot Multibus card rack inside with hard drive controller card with floppy drive daughter board, 256k memeory card, intel iSBC 86/30 CPU (8086) card with 8087 NDP daughterboard installed. They aslo have an 8" floppy drive and HAD an 8" hard drive (removed :-( Thery're in steel cases that measure about 14"w x 14"h x 20" deep and are painted a yellowish white color. Any info would be appreciated. Joe

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Thinning the heard...

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Available for pickup only. -Pro350 in Floor stand case with Venix installed. No monitor/keyboard. Working system. -Pro380, untested believed working. No tube or keyboard. Due to size and weight, Pick up only. Location Framinham MA OR Hudson NH (real close to Nashua) for pick up. I'm limiting myself to only Qbus PDP-11s for my PDP-11 amusement and because the cards used are also Qbus VAX compatable. First come... Allison

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Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR to Yates Center, KS?

by vcf＠vintage.org

We're now in the planning phases for moving Jim Willing's Computer Garage >from Oregon to Kansas. We're currently looking for the best equipment option for moving. Jim says he probably needs a 24 foot truck. He's currently looking at U-Haul, which is always a cheap solution, but he's stuck right now hassling with them over some issues from a prior moves where the trucks broke down (U-Haul trucks are deathtraps on wheels). There are a few other truck rental places we're going to try to get quotes >from (Ryder is asking around $1,500, we haven't checked Budget or Penske yet), but I was wondering if anyone had any other suggestions? Jim's original plan was to load the Computer Garage contents into the truck and then tow his Suburban from the truck. I am suggesting that he rent or even buy a big trailer and use the Suburban to haul the trailer. Jim is going to ask some of these places if they will rent trailers one way (I don't see why not). I think my suggestion to buy a trailer would be cool if he can't since it may be cheaper than renting a truck, and he can always use it for other stuff, or sell it when he gets back to Kansas. Any suggestions are appreciated. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> I have heard that OpenSTEP ran on VMS (Alpha) at one point. > > Having never heard of, nor seen this, I am curious, and would > like to acquire a copy of this miraculous thing to run at home > (on a hopefully soon-to-be-had DEC 3000, using the VMS hobbyist > license...) > > Does anyone have any idea where to get it? > > Chris First I've heard of it. It primarily ran on NeXT hardware (of course), x86 systems, and had limited support for HP and Sparc. I've *never* heard VMS mentioned as having any sort of an OPENSTEP environment. Zane

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Weird 7410

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 6, 14:52, William Donzelli wrote: > > I was just reading a bit on TTL while looking for something else. > > In 1965 a 7400 gate was $20 and Candy bars 5 cents. > > Probably not 7400 series (earliest 7400 series I have are from late 1968). > There were a number of logic families that were out in the mid-1960s. Yes, > in 1965 I can believe $20 per chip! Texas started selling 7400-series TTL in flat-pack packages in October 1964 and in DIP packages in March 1966. So says my Texas "Designing with TTL Integrated Circuits" dated 1971, and also TI's history pages. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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New aquisition: Texas Instruments TI 980A

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 6, Ethan Dicks wrote: > Just got a strange little toy from a friend who dug it out of a warehouse > today... a TI 980A. I found a little bit on Al Kossow's Orphan page; does > anyone know of any other sources for info on the 'net? Pics! Pics!! -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Apple Network Server (AIX) V4.1.5 CD Pack on ebay

by fernande＠internet1.net

I know there are a few people that are interested in Apple Network servers, so I though I would point this auction out. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2006138367 Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

24 years, 5 months

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Hosting Recommendations

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

Well, I guess I shouldn't bitch *too* loudly: both of those activities are expressly prohibited by "Acceptable Use" policies. Phooey. They have a monopoly (Sprint Wireless Data is a joke), and they know it. They can do pretty much whatever they want. I hope SBC kicks their sorry ass when they start running DSL out this way, sometime late this year . . . Jeff On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:56:01 -0600 (CST) Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> writes: > > I forgot to be fair. On a commercial RR account, incoming http & > ftp > are not blocked. You just aren't supposed to run a webserver or ftp > site. > > Doc > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR toYates

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net> >Where has rail been ripped up? I've never heard of that happening. Is >it a national trend? Try around NY, Boston and east coast in general, especially the metro regions. Many of the rails have been abandoned over the last 50 years and are being removed infavor of many uses from trails to roads. A big waste if you ask me. Allison

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Weird 7410

by aw288＠osfn.org

I have a weird TTL here - a brand I have never seen. It is marked FJH121/7410N witha 6920 datecode, and the logo is a diamond with an "A" inside. Japanese, perhaps? I have seen that logo before... Ideas? William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

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Thinning collection

by jfoust＠threedee.com

I'm expanding my business, clearing out the old shipping room and treating my packrat affliction, so some stuff must go! Pickup preferred; I may ship smaller items. I'm in Jefferson, Wisconsin, halfway between Madison and Milwaukee, about 35 minutes from each. Payment in chocolate, good beer or dollars. Any offers will be considered. Kaypro 1 system, with manuals and software. Probably working. VaxStation 3500 in BA213 case. VR-160 RGB monitor w/cables. Mouse, keyboard. Probably working, with VMS on HD, no manuals. (2) Vaxstation 2000, the little ones. Unknown state. AT&T System V Rel 3 source code for 3B2 Unix on a 9-track tape, and several dozen distribution floppies probably from the same 3B2. Micro PDP-11, unknown state. Microvax II, unknown state. TK50-D drive, unknown state. Bunch of TK50 carts that were probably used with MicroVAX: MicroVAX v4.6 Full bin MicroVAX v4.6 mand update MicroVAX v4.6 VMS lic key Appletalk for VMS v2.0.6 & 2.1, another 3.0b2 OVMS VAX v6.0a MUP VMS v5.5 bin, and mand update Odesta HelixVMX More to come, perhaps. - John

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Wanted: old Sun5 keyboard for Sol-20 restoration parts [fwd]

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

The following message is of sufficient interest to SOL and Altair-era listers that I'm forwarding it without asking its original poster; while perhaps not perfect netiquette, I'm hoping the list has no rule banning it. -dq From: Charles Eicher <ceicher(a)inav.net> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Wanted: old Sun5 keyboard for Sol-20 restoration parts Date: 5 Mar 2002 13:31:26 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <a63dfe0101p(a)drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-479.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.91 Path: news.iglou.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!nycmny1-snh1 .gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed! wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!209.155.233.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp .newsguy.com!drn Xref: news-incoming.iglou.com alt.folklore.computers:264561 I am searching for keyboard parts for restoration of a vintage microcomputer, my Sol-20. In some recent research, I've learned that the Sun5 keyboard contains the type of keyboard contact pads that are used in the Sol. I've found a place that will sell used Sun5 keyboards for $15 plus shipping, but I figure somebody in the alt.folklore.computers readership might have an old Sun5 keyboard sitting around they might part with cheaply, since this is for a good cause. I haven't torn apart my Sol kbd yet, but it is well known that this keyboard used foam contact pads that deteriorated with age, so most Sol CPUs function but cannot be used because there's no keyboard input. You can replace the foam pads and they keyboard will work, but the trick is finding the pads. There are many Keytronics keyboards that use these foam pads, but I've been unable to locate any on the local surplus market. I should be able to pick this up cheaper than $15+shipping, but it looks like I'll have to order a used Sun5 kbd and it will set me back $25. All this for $0.50 worth of foam pads that I could cannibalize >from a scrap $2 keyboard...IF I could find the right keyboard. The sole vendor of Sol kbd restoration parts has disappeared, I heard he's having financial difficulty. Bummer. So if anyone has a spare Sun5 keyboard, or other keyboard that might contain suitable foam-pad parts for cannibalization, please email me at ceicher(a)inav.net and I will be eternally grateful. My Sol will be happy too.

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RS232 Null Modem

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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DRV11-J uses?

by tarsi＠binhost.com

What exactly would I use a DRV11-J card for? I'm thinking of selling it since it seems to bring fairly decent prices on the 'net, but I want to make sure I wouldn't actually NEED the thing before I sell it. Thanks! Nathan -- ---------------------------------------------- Homepage: http://tarsi.binhost.com binHOST.com: http://www.binhost.com Forever Beyond: http://www.foreverbeyond.org ----------------------------------------------

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Hosting Recommendations

by jss＠subatomix.com

I need to find a good email/web hosting service. Yes, this is on-topic. Right now, subatomix.com (my mail server) is a machine in my house, connected via residential cable modem service. This has some cool factor for me, but there are disadvantages: (0) The system has to up and stable 24/7; I can't play with it in ways that might interrupt that. (1) The cable modem connection goes down every now and then, sometimes for several hours. (2) I'm not too knowledgeable at mail administration; there's a good probability that this machine is not as secure as it could be. On top of that stuff, a credible source inside the cable company says that I will be eventually switched over from RoadRunner to the cable company's own network. According to the source, areas where the switches are occurring (mostly those served by @Home, but RoadRunner is next) are experiencing repeated, prolonged outages. So I need list members' recommendations on a good email/web hosting service. If you work for such a service, feel free to suggest it if it is a good service. What I want is: (0) Email hosting for 5 addresses at subatomix.com. It needs to handle several hundred emails per day (peak) and the occasional large file mailed to me. (1) Web hosting for my as-yet-unfinished personal web site. The largest part of the site will be an exposition of my collection like that of many others here. I plan on having a lot of pictures, and the service needs the capacity to hold them. (See it *is* on-topic). (2) Encrypted communications, or at least my passwords not sent over the network in cleartext. (3) The servers running some UNIX and administered by competent people. (4) A flat fee. (5) If I use their DNS servers, the ability to point foo.subatomix.com to a certain IP address. -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)subatomix.com

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Mostek computers?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 5, 22:03, Ernest wrote: > I didn't know that Mostek made an entire system? There is one at REPC that > someone dropped off. It has two 8" drives, and has a yellow and blue case. > It looks like an early vintage system but I don't know much about it. Is > anyone familiar with this computer? Not first hand, but I have a book called "Microcomputer Board Data Manual", edited by Dave Bursky, from "Electronic Design", pub. Hayden 1978. It lists one Mostek product, the OEM-80, about which the summary says: Word size: 8-bit data / 16-bit address CPU: MK3880 Clock freq min 0.005MHz / max 2.5MHz Total addressable memory 64K Amount of RAM on card 4K provided / 64K possible Amount of ROM on card 0K provided / 25K possible DMA capable: yes Bus type : proprietary Parallel I/O pins: 40 Serial I/O ports: 1 Max baud rate: 9600 Interrupt provisions: [none] Multiprocessing capablitly: yes Counter/timers: 4 (16 bits/timer) Software: assembler, debugging, HLL, OS Supply voltages: +5V, +/- 12V Board sixe: 12"x 8.5" Comments: Same as Z-80 CPU. ROM and RAM address mapping. OEM-80: No ROM supplied. Available as a complete ROM-based prototype package. European card: 233 x 250mm. The chapter (well, one page plus a 1-page diagram) in the body of the book says the SDB-80 is the version with the firmware, and there are some other cards as well, including floppy controller, more RAM, PROM programmer, CRT interface, card cage, etc. The OEM-80 cost $430 in 100+ quantities. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

24 years, 5 months

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Decwriters

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: William Donzelli [mailto:aw288@osfn.org] > Who else wanted a DECwriter, and where? I have one spoken for, in Champaign, IL. That might be out of your way from (or to) Chicago, though. I'm not sure. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 5, 18:14, Brian Chase wrote: > OpenSTEP proper was just the last generation > of NeXTSTEP. The latest release I saw being OpenSTEP 4.2. It ran on > Intel/PC, Sun Sparc, and I think PA-RISC. I believe NeXTSTEP 3.3 was > the last version to support NeXT black hardware. Then how come my NeXT slab came with CDs labelled "OpenStep 4.2 for NeXT, User Disk", "OpenStep 4.2 for NeXT, Developer", and and NeXT boot floppy? :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Here's a link you all might like....

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > If you say Richard Head you will get one virtual nerf brick > > tossed in your direction immediately... > > Well, it isn't the notorious R. Head, but the Nerf bricks > will likely fly anyway. > > The very first computer operator was Eve, with an Apple at one hand > and a Wang at the other. ...and some would say they still can't get the smell out of the Apples... ;)

24 years, 5 months

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Here's a link you all might like....

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 6, Chad Fernandez wrote: > That actually makes sense, too. Just the other day in the USA Today, I > read that the old US Embassy in Afghanistan was equipped with old > Wangs. Are you suggesting that the embassy is staffed by a bunch of dickheads? -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Decwriters

by Gary.Messick＠itt.com

> From: William Donzelli [mailto:aw288@osfn.org] > Subject: Re: Decwriters > > > > I can arrange to pick up at the Denver stop... it's only 5 > hours' drive from > > here. > > Who else wanted a DECwriter, and where? > > William Donzelli > aw288(a)osfn.org > I could use an R key for a LA-36 (Decwrite II)! Long story involving wife and an errant vacuum. (But honey.... It was soooooo dusty!) Gary ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. ************************************

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Need Shugart 851 manual

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I need a Shugart 851 8" floppy drive manual. Does anyone have one that hey'll loan me or make a copy of it for me? Or does anyone have a pointer to an on-line copy? I have a bunch of 851 drives and I need to see how to configure them to use in place of Shugart 800 drives. Joe

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > B) OpenSTEP was never the graphics subsystem of NeXTSTEP, as I had > thought. Well, if you take the graphical subsystem, make it run on top of X11, and ad a little more of NeXT to it, then you would get OpenStep. :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > > Doc, I think maybe you're confusing OpenStep with > OpenWindows (OpenLook), > Nope. I've used OpenWindows, hate it, would rather run twm > if that's > the only choice. I may be completely out of my head, and as of this Heh. I'm running out of "OpenStuff" :) > morning I can't even find the stack of old source archives. > If it's on > tape I'm gonna cry "Uncle". I don't suppose you might have seen the Mach version of OpenStep running on Intel hardware? This would look pretty similar to a "linux" if you were using a command-line shell. > enough to work > > with at that point. I ended up deleting everything but the window > > manager. :) > I've fooled with GNUSTEP myself, with the same results you got. > WindowMaker is a great WM, but I begin to doubt that GNUSTEP will ever > get any closer than that to a full-blown environment. Gnome > & KDE have > pulled all the focus and resources away. That's a shame, since the NeXT environment is much nicer. :) Of course, OpenStep on its own would still leave the problem of using X11 for delivery of all graphics, which from what I've seen is nowhere near as nice as the NeXT window system, but still it would have been a step in the right direction. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Chase [mailto:vaxzilla@jarai.org] > Much better > > than those poor, bloated pieces of garbage that GNOME, KDE, > Enlightenment, > > etc, have become. > Now I'm no big fan of any of the newer window managers either, but > OpenLook? GAH, ARGHHH *WRETCH* Sure, it's a personal preference and > all. My choice would be FVWM, and then probably TWM. Also, I'd > completely forgetten about Bowman and AfterSTEP. Bowman was nice and > lightweight, and I think derivative of FVWM. Heh. I don't remember whether Bowman was FVWM derived or not, but everything else was at the time, so why not? :) Actually, I wish Enlightenment was still based on FVWM -- it would be much easier on the CPU. Anyway, yes, it's a personal preference, but I certainly like it better than GNOME or KDE (since it will actually _run_ on a machine without flooring a 200Mhz chip. There are one or two other "desktop environments" for linux, but those never impressed me. ... so if you want an entire "environment" (that is, window management, supporting apps, maybe a file manager, and if you're lucky a decent set of widgets, all of which interoperate and share data nicely), what other choice is there? (I would seriously like to know. Private mail is fine, since most of this software is probably off topic :) Personally, I use WindowMaker for window management, and don't bother looking for "supporting apps," etc. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 5 months

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Here's a link you all might like....

by schickel＠psln.com

Hi all, long time lurker, first time poster. I always enjoy the talk about all the classic big iron on the list. (I got my first hands-on on an HP2000-F [later upgraded to Access]). I'm signed up on one of the joke mailing lists and they sent this link out today as our "extra" of the day. Unknown attribution..... http://www.farmjokes.com/email/extra/clearance.jpg Later, Frank -- Join my distributed.net team: Cow County Crackers, at http://stats.distributed.net/rc5-64/tmsummary.php3?team=10621

24 years, 5 months

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > near certain that what I have is an X11 window manager named OpenSTEP. > I've used GNUSTEP, AfterSTEP, and their nephew WindowMaker. All cool, > but not what I was referring to. Doc, I think maybe you're confusing OpenStep with OpenWindows (OpenLook), which was a SUN environment, and is, in fact, relatively well replicated on linux. In fact, I'd say that byte-for-byte it's the most complete, useable desktop environment available under Linux today. Much better than those poor, bloated pieces of garbage that GNOME, KDE, Enlightenment, etc, have become. ...but it's not OpenStep. It's neither as elegant nor as complete as the NeXT environment, IMO. It's also not as pretty ;) Actually, WindowMaker is the "official" window management component of the GNUStep project. It's a (small, but visible) subset of GNUStep, in other words, and not separate. GNUStep consists of lots of UI libraries, supporting utilities (or it should have those by now, rather -- I haven't checked in a while), and misc. other stuff. All of that, when coupled with the window manager should eventually give one an environment which is source compatible with OpenStep on other platforms. It's unfortunate that the project isn't further along. (finished!) I tried to compile the whole of GNUStep (all that was available) for Linux several years ago, and there wasn't anywhere near enough to work with at that point. I ended up deleting everything but the window manager. :) I may try again soon. There's another NeXT like WM named Bowman, on which AfterStep is based. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Here's a link you all might like....

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

It was a joke, Chad. You know...a joke? -Dave On March 6, Chad Fernandez wrote: > It wasn't staffed at all. > > Chad Fernandez > Michigan, USA > > Dave McGuire wrote: > > > > On March 6, Chad Fernandez wrote: > > > That actually makes sense, too. Just the other day in the USA Today, I > > > read that the old US Embassy in Afghanistan was equipped with old > > > Wangs. > > > > Are you suggesting that the embassy is staffed by a bunch of > > dickheads? > > > > -Dave > > > > -- > > Dave McGuire > > St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf > -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Shipping Big Iron & Rail Right-Of-Way Abandonment

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I didn't think I ever seen it all the way through. What does it have to > do with railways and highways? Highways were promoted as routes for buses to travel, smoke-emitting buses that replaced clean electric trolleys that ran on rail tracks... and this actually happened not just in L.A. but all over the country. -dq > Is it possible to fall in love with a cartoon :-) Many of us probably resemble that remark! -dq

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Hosting Recommendations

by csmith＠amdocs.com

This was actually supposed to go straight to Dan. Sorry :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); ' > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Smith > Ok, so how much does Insight cost? Will they panic if I tell them I > don't have windows, and no, it's not a Macintosh either? ;)

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Hosting Recommendations

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Wright [mailto:dtwright@uiuc.edu] > I was just switched from @Home to my local cable company's (insight > communications) network, and it's actual been more stable and > reliable then it > was before. @Home kind of sucked, but I've been happy with > insight's service, > at least so far -- it's been about a month... Ok, so how much does Insight cost? Will they panic if I tell them I don't have windows, and no, it's not a Macintosh either? ;) Do they require you to buy cable service too, or can you get the network hookup separately? I have been considering switching to cable off and on, myself. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by pb＠Colorado.EDU

>On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 09:43:31PM -0500, Jeff Hellige wrote: >[snip] >> This could partly be due to Apple giving it away to NeXT hardware >> owners in '99. > >You happen to have any idea how this was done? Public FTP, shipped CDs >or some other form? I'm looking for a NeXTstep release; vendors only >seem to ship OpenStep these days (if at all; it's been a while since >I contacted one). > >-- >Sune Stjerneby <sst(a)vmunix.dk> > - Part of an RFC 1876-compliant network. It was done by shipping CDs. Owners of NeXT hardware were to contact Apple (via telephone, fax, or e-mail, I think) with their machine serial number (supposedly also software serial number, but that turned out not to be required), and request the Y2K patches. Since those patches were only applicable to NS3.3 or OS4.2, you would also get NS3.3 or OS4.2, if you requested them. (I believe that if you had anything less than OS4.0, you would get NS3.3; if you had OS4.0 or OS4.1, you would get OS4.2. I also believe that you could get as many copies as you had machine serial numbers. I am not certain of either of these last two points.) Some of these software packages appear for auction or sale in various venues--or, that is what I assume they are, when they are advertised as brand new, and including the Y2K patches. (There was at least one bug introduced by the Y2K patches, but I don't think that a fix has been released. It had to do with an unfortunate interaction between gnutar and some (or one) of the Lighthouse Design programs.) PB Schechter

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sune Stjerneby [mailto:sst@vmunix.dk] > On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 09:43:31PM -0500, Jeff Hellige wrote: > [snip] > > This could partly be due to Apple giving it away to NeXT hardware > > owners in '99. > You happen to have any idea how this was done? Public FTP, shipped CDs > or some other form? I'm looking for a NeXTstep release; vendors only > seem to ship OpenStep these days (if at all; it's been a while since > I contacted one). http://www.blackholeinc.com/ (I think) Black Hole sells new, licensed copies of NeXTSTEP in several releases. They're a little steep on those, but they have them. I have no connection with Black Hole, other than that I think I'll order a cable and mouse from them. :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Zane H. Healy wrote: > *never* heard VMS > > mentioned as having any sort of an OPENSTEP environment. > We are talking about OpenSTEP, right? Not NeXTSTEP? There has > been a port of OpenSTEP to XFree86 for long and long. Yes. Right. Nope. :) That is, GNUStep is far from OpenSTEP. It is still a work in progress, and while it has a very nice NeXT like window manager for X11, it's not a complete OpenSTEP environment by any means. It's also not a port, but a re-implementation from specs. What I am talking about would be a port -- of OpenSTEP (not NeXTSTEP), to VMS on Alpha. (There is a FAQ somewhere that explains OpenSTEP vs. NeXTSTEP [vs. NeXTStep...) In a nutshell, I believe that NeXTStep refers to a subset of NeXTSTEP licensed to IBM at one point. NeXTSTEP is the full original NeXT environment. OpenStep was modularized, and the operating system functions were separated from the user environment, which was then ported to other platforms (including Windows [ISTR] and Solaris, and, so I have heard recently, VMS) Of course, that is mostly from memory, so any of it could be way off. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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DECdatasystems

by jss＠subatomix.com

I have just acquired part of a DECdatasystem 570. I have the following questions about it: Why did DEC repackage their PDP-11s this way? When were the various DECdatasystem models released? How do they fit in with the rest of DEC's product line, and how were they marketed? -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)subatomix.com

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Shipping Big Iron & Rail Right-Of-Way Abandonment

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I got thinking about this on my way to work today. If this has indeed > been going on for the last 50 years as Allison said, this makes sense. > It was in the 50's that our highway system was laid down.... I think > I-94 went through hear in 1957. Also, since the mid 70's (??) much of > our manufacturing has gone overseas. I suggest you watch the movie "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" again, this time, keeping in mind that's its not fiction, but allegory... -dq

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Shipping Big Iron & Rail Right-Of-Way Abandonment

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> A rail shipment may also be held until enough cars are destined for a > certain area. Next to shipping by boat, shipping by train is probably the > slowest method to get something some where, as far as total transit time. A > truck can be anywhere in the US in a matter of 4 days. For perishible > items, trucks are far more viable. Also, trucks generally ride better than > rail cars, so delicate cargoes benefit from the air-ride suspension systems. I've been told UPS has started holding the ground trucks until they fill up, where they used to have a timer; timer fires, truck rolls, full or not. When fuel costs jumped a couple of years ago they changed this. May not be true... -dq

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30 TK50 Tapes For Sale

by jyount＠wallacehardware.com

Hello, I was referred to your email address when asking someone where I might be able to find a buyer for 30 TK50 tapes I possess that are no longer used. If you're not interested in buying these, do you know of anyone who would like them? Do you have a forum that I could post these on? I appreciate any assistance or info you could give me.

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New Finds for museum this week

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Got these two items for free; a HP 150 II (no keyboard) and a Atari SM124 monitor. For $10 I got Power Mac 5400/120 (has a bad hard drive). My Microvision system arrived with 3 game cartridges and works great (for what it does). Got a great book titled Modern Computer Concepts-The IBM 360 Series by Edward J. Laurie. It's stamped inside as being a "EXAMINATION COPY" and was printed in 1970. It has 926 pages and lots of great pictures. Only cost 50 cents at a thrift here. Won a Brainiac (1959) kit computer on eBay it looks almost complete and will make a great display item. Now if I could only find a Geniac for cheap. :-) I asked before and never got one answer but does anyone have a extra Hero Jr remote control that they would like to sell?

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Here's a link you all might like....

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that Douglas Quebbeman may have mentioned these words: >> On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Dave McGuire wrote: >> >> > Are you suggesting that the embassy is staffed by a bunch of >> > dickheads? >> >> <playing straight man for Dave> >> >> You know who was the world's first computer operator? > >If you say Richard Head you will get one virtual nerf brick >tossed in your direction immediately... No... No... You mean "Richard _Cranium_" Laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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Here's a link you all might like....

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Hm, Original Wang PCs and a few old terminals mixed in. Looks like slim pickings to me. Paxton

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SOL-20 keyboard (fwd)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> As you will note, Barry authorized this posting. As of this date, I've tried three or four times to contact barry, with no response yet. If any SOL jocks *have* been able to contact him, could you have him contact me? TIA! -dq > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:24:45 -0500 > From: Barry A. Watzman <Watzman(a)neo.rr.com> > To: 'Don Maslin' <donm(a)cts.com> > Subject: RE: SOL-20 keyboard > > I won't but you may if you want to. > > Barry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Maslin [mailto:donm@cts.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:05 AM > To: Barry A. Watzman > Subject: Re: SOL-20 keyboard > > > > On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Barry A. Watzman wrote: > > > By the way, in 1977 I made and sold a SOL-20 keyboard > modification kit > > that included a new ROM for the keyboard and new keytops. > The new ROM > > made the high order bit of the numeric keypad keys a "1" > instead of a > > "0". This made it possible to distinguish between the keys in the > > numeric keypad and the numeric keys in the top row of the normal > > keyboard (in the stock keyboard, these different keys > produced exactly > > the same output). This was transparent to normal > applications because > > they normally did an "ANI 7FH" anyway, stripping this bit, but it > > could be used by an application if the application wanted to do so. > > > The new keytops had word processing legends instead of numbers, and > > really was made for the "Electric Pencil" and "Wordstar" word > > processors. The keytops were actually made by Keytronic (I > had to pay > > tooling charges, about $1,000 (those were 1977 dollars, it was about > > one-fourth the price of a new car)) and and matched the SOL keyboard > > exactly. > > > > I have a few of these kits left in a box in the basement. If anyone > > wants them, they are $25. What I'm not sure of is if I have the > > installation instructions anywhere. > > > > [If anyone takes me up on this, I'm actually going to have > to FIND that > > box, which may be easier said than done.] > > > > > >

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OT: Scrapping steel (was RE: Suggestions for hauling ...)

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

In the last 50+ years, some 150,000 miles of railroad track have been abandoned. At 100 pounds/yard or more for mainline track rail, that's a lot of steel. As to who is paying for the scrapping, the railroad, or often a bankruptcy court, would bid it out to scrappers -- the same people (as a general class) who will take an old computer and cut the edge connector off a board in order to recover the gold. Might not seem like an economical thing to do, but these people can make a living out of it. Also, remember that in the 50's and 60's (and even earlier for most electric interurban lines) steel was worth more. When the railroads converted to diesel in the late 40's/early 50's, most of the steam locomotives were sold for scrap. Nothing sinister about it, just made economic sense at the time. The subsidies that went into highway construction and trucking are another matter, though, but that is too OT to go into. Still, we can't blame the interstate system for all railroad failures, as many began their decline in the 30's and 40's. Most electric streetcar lines and interurbans here in the midwest were replaced by busses by the mid 50's. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Brian Chase [mailto:vaxzilla@jarai.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 5:35 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR toYates On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Zane H. Healy wrote: > > Where has rail been ripped up? I've never heard of that happening. Is > > it a national trend? > > We've had quite a lot ripped out here in Oregon. This does beg the question... Who exactly is paying for this, and to what gain? I think someone's point of it not really being cost- effective (even for the scrap) is worth investigating. Maybe it is. I can't imagine it's more expensive to produce a ton of steel from salvaged rails than it is to do the same from iron ore. Still, it'd be interesting to know who's fronting the labor to do it, and what money is backing it. -brian.

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DECdatasystems

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

VT55 with integrated printer Not thermal or electrostatic >From 1977 until about 1980 we actually used the terminals to print graphics >from bacterial growth curves. The paper exited the side of the terminal. We usually attached a weighted paper clamp to help pull the paper out of the printer. The printer was placed so the paper hung down off the side of the desk or table. The paper was initially wet and came in foil enclosed rolls. The printer generated a spark to discolor the paper at the correct spot, kind of a brownish printing. The paper didn't work if it was dry. Also there was a problem with fungus growth on opened rolls of paper that weren't used for a long time. Maybe caused by the microbiology lab environment. Speed of the paper motion was important, nothing like looking at plots with varied plot speed, scrunched graphs. Picture of the internals of the printer is at http://vt100.net/docs/vt5c-op/ Picture of the printer with the paper hanging out the side is http://vt100.net/docs/vt55e-tm/ Mike McFadden mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu At 02:23 PM 3/5/02 -0800, you wrote: > >--- John Chris Wren <jcwren(a)jcwren.com> wrote: >> This sounds like a machine I used to work on. PDP-8/a, two floppy >> drives, a VT-50 terminal that looked like it could have been provisioned >> for an internal thermal printer, and ours had a LA-36. > >Yep... they sold a bunch of them. The printer inside the VT-50 case >wasn't thermal, BTW. The "1976-1977 pdp-8/a minicomputer handbook" calls >it an "electrolytic copier" under the entry for the VT-61. My memory of >working with them was that they used funky paper and there was a wet >wiper brush that moistened the paper as it exited the printer. Perhaps >it squeegeed it. I don't recall any more. >

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Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, ORt

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Sadly, though, glow plugs do little to keep the oil thin enough to keep > from really hard cold starts. Especially back in the old days when > multi-weight oils really weren't. It always cranked, that wasn't a problem. > It was tearing up the cylinder walls until the molasses, er, oil could be > circulated. I'd suggest trying Mobile One synthetic oil... if it can find leaks that no other oil can find on your engine, it should be alble to flow into all the places oil needs to go... -dq

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 6, Jeff Hellige wrote: > >> Openstep 4.2 still supports the black hardware though most > >> people I've known running NeXT hardware have been running NS 3.3. > >> This could partly be due to Apple giving it away to NeXT hardware > >> owners in '99. > > > > It probably has a lot more to do with the fact that 4.x on black > >hardware is slower than pissing tar. > > I've never tried Openstep on the black hardware. Is it that > much slower than NS 3.3? Unbelievably so, yes. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 5, Jeff Hellige wrote: > Openstep 4.2 still supports the black hardware though most > people I've known running NeXT hardware have been running NS 3.3. > This could partly be due to Apple giving it away to NeXT hardware > owners in '99. It probably has a lot more to do with the fact that 4.x on black hardware is slower than pissing tar. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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PDP 7 ?Rescue?

by Innfogra＠aol.com

I have a lead on a PDP 7 coming out of service in the Portland Oregon area. I hope to go look at it on March 19th or 20th. I believe it is still plugged in but out of service. I think it is a late '60s machine. Anyone interested in it please contact me at whoagiii(a)aol.com, not on the list please. I am not interested in getting it. I think that there are very few out there and any left need rescue. I will take pictures when I get a chance to look at it. I would like info on what to look for when I look at the machine. Paxton Hoag

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 5, Doc wrote: > > It probably has a lot more to do with the fact that 4.x on black > > hardware is slower than pissing tar. > > My cat is glaring at me. From _way_ under the desk. > > "Damn you, Dave McGuire!" SCORE! hehehe -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Loaded uVAX II (Austin, TX)

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've got a loaded uVAX II in a BA123, available here in Austin, TX. CPU: KA630-AA two DHV11M multiport serial cards one DHQ11M (8line QBus Async serial card) one DEQNAM QBus etheret adapter one TK50 tape drive has two "H3100" ports for serial breakout boxes on the back; not sure if these are connected to the DHV11Ms or the DHQ11M. Unknown RAM/storage; I havent had time to take the machine out of the back of my truck. The front panel covering the storage control buttons is missing; I have the "back flap" cover, but the plastic "hinge" will need to be replaced. Would like to trade for smaller VAX (VAXstation VLC, etc) or later-model (73,83,93, etc) PDP-11 system. WILL NOT SHIP. You gotta come pick it up at my house. 8-) Also have a BC23K 15-pin-to-1BNC mono monitor cable, free... Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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Symbolics rescue (question about picture)

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Symbolics rescue (question about picture) > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:06:04 -0600 > Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > For nostalgic reasons, I have wanted to acquire two particular disk drives > for a PDP-11 of mine... I don't remember what they are called or what brand. > But - there are two of them in the very far right of the symbolics rescue > picture at the top of the rack with light brown trim line across the front. > Can anyone tell me what those are - and if there are any around to be > obtained? How hard are they to work on? Is the positioner based on patterns > on the drive or a glass reticule? They look like DEC RK03's to me. Predecessor to the RK05, and actually re-badged drives from some other manufacturer, the name of which escapes me at the moment. RK05's used a glass reticule for positioning. I think that on-disk format tracks came with the first "Winchester" sealed drives. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

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Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR toYates

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Where has rail been ripped up? I've never heard of that happening. Is > it a national trend? > > Chad Fernandez > Michigan, USA We've had quite a lot ripped out here in Oregon. Zane

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 5, Doc wrote: > > First I've heard of it. It primarily ran on NeXT hardware (of course), x86 > > systems, and had limited support for HP and Sparc. I've *never* heard VMS > > mentioned as having any sort of an OPENSTEP environment. > > We are talking about OpenSTEP, right? Not NeXTSTEP? There has > been a port of OpenSTEP to XFree86 for long and long. NeXTSTEP by any other name... -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Printer Drum

by DayTraderStock＠aol.com

Im looking for a LB-DR320 printer drum. Can you help Ron Lessa daytraderstock(a)aol.com 508-992-1151 in MA

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Symbolics rescue, URGENT!

by jkunz＠unixag-kl.fh-kl.de

Hi. Location: Germany, Kaiserslautern Items: Two Symbolics 3600 Lisp machines, see http://kogs-www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~moeller/symbolics-info/3600.html Yes, they are heavy, big (1,8m / 6') 19" rack boxen. State: _NOT_ working, it may be possible to build one working machine by ripping the other. Free for everyone who takes them. BUT: You must take both (+ console Monitor) and you must take them Sunday afternoon (14:00 - 15:00) or Monday (9:00 - 17:00). If they are not gone on Tuesday, they will be taken apart and scraped. Further details unknowen. No. I can not store them. I already managed the salvation of three 3640 and one 3670 from the same location... PLEASE mail me only if you are able to transport them. -- tsch??, Jochen Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/

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Possibly OT: Canon Objectstation SCSI problem

by jrice＠texoma.net

Does anyone on the list have experience with the Canon Objectstation Model 41. I think it's just short of being on topic. I'm trying to install NS3.3 on my Objectstation. It has a Buslogic BT-445C SCSI controller, VLB, and I can boot the box, start installing, Next finds the controller, the CD-ROM and the hard drive. The install routine asks me to choose a disk for installation and then fdisk tewlls me "Bogous BIOS information, please reset the bios setting in your mother board or SCSI controller card". I have noticed that I don't get the usual "Press Alt-B for setup" message that I've gotten from Buslogic cards in the past or that the pdf manual from Mylex's site talks about. Did Canon install some funky custom Rom on the card? I'm going to take a spare 486 VLB motherboard home tonight and try setting up the drive using a DOS driver disk that came with the Objectstation. James Rice Dallas, TX http://home.texoma.net/~jrice/classiccomp2.html

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Hi everybody, I have heard that OpenSTEP ran on VMS (Alpha) at one point. Having never heard of, nor seen this, I am curious, and would like to acquire a copy of this miraculous thing to run at home (on a hopefully soon-to-be-had DEC 3000, using the VMS hobbyist license...) Does anyone have any idea where to get it? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR toYates

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Try around NY, Boston and east coast in general, especially the metro > regions. Many of the rails have been abandoned over the last 50 years > and are being removed infavor of many uses from trails to roads. If they've been abandoned for to long it takes a lot of work to get them back into condition to run trains over them. While we've had a lot of track ripped out around here, they've also reopened a fair amount of it. Zane

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MOP booting RT-11

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> > >As others more qualified than I have said, there isn't a way to boot >RT-11 over an ethernet card; True. However you can mop boot using DDCMP over serial or sync lines but that is not supported by RT11 internally but it can load the rt11 image that way. > I am, however, confident you can boot RT-11 >over a TU-58 and a serial port. I have never done it (I've always used >floppies or a hard disk), but with the right bootstrap on the -11, it I have, and do. it expects a standard DL device on one of several likely addresses and uses RSP/MRSP (TU58 serial protocal). >shouldn't be a big deal. You could then bring up your machine from an >emulated TU-58 (a DOS or Linux box, probably, or even VMS, with a little There are programs for Linus or unix boxen and it's doable with VMS. >development work to port an emulator) and tape images. It's a bit slow - >38400 bps is a standard transfer speed, but not as bad as the original >because you won't have enormous seek latency. At 38.4 with a real tape the seeks are killer slow. With a tu58 simulator it's remarkably fast and useable. Hint: boot rt11, install VM: and INIT VM: then copy/boot DD to VM, then copy the core of RT11 to VM and boot that. Then the slow tape is less an issue as swaps and commonly used files are local to the ramdisk (VM:). Minimum ram for that is 256k (VM:192k), as usual more is better. With a 1 or 2Mb of ram VM: is quite large and the effect is a system that beats an RL02/RLV21 for performance. Most of this is forgotten by all but the most hardcore PDP-11 users and likely unheard of to the kids. >Also, it's possible to force-feed a bootstrap or any other memory >tidbits down the console line and ODT. We used that technique to >test COMBOARDs when I was at Software Results - the rig was software or to load the TU58 loader. ;) Allison

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Write only programming

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] > If you write machine code rather than assembly language (I've > done this a > few time...) then again there's no way to include comments... Sure there is -- just don't run them ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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IBM 3192 Terminals

by pat＠purdueriots.com

Today I just got a pair of IBM 3192 (saved from the dumpster), and was wondering what options I have for using them. I know they're 'supposed to' be hooked up to a 3270-mode terminal controller, (like the AT&T 6544 I have, perhaps??), but I'm having a hard time finding much information out about them using Google. Does anyone know of a good reference site for info on these 'beasts'? I also need to get software still for my at&t 6544 if that'll work with these - still not clear if that's a *useful* option. Thanks for the help -- Pat

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