- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by bulk＠blit.ca

I have some NeXT hardware that I'm looking to re-home. Items include: 1 NeXT cube with an unknown expansion card 2 Monochrome monitors 2 NeXTStation "slab" workstations, non-functional Boxed NeXTStep installation media with manuals (may not be complete) 2 Mice, 3 keyboards, various cables, SCSI drives, odds and ends. (Picture at <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Sme9n3mG2USjNJa3BaSVFJekk/view>; the fruit is not included.) I'm located in Toronto; preference will be given to anyone who is willing to come here and haul it away. I *may* be willing to ship it somewhere, but if so, you're paying for it and it can't cause me a lot of hassle. Everything is believed to work unless marked otherwise; however, it's been years since I powered up any of these so I can't promise anything. The monitors both worked when I last tried them. One had succumbed to the dimness problem but the other was still bright, if blurry. Presumably, you could swap CRTs and have one like-new NeXT monochrome monitor. One of the two slabs would get partway through its boot sequence before hanging so it might be easily fixable. The other one was stripped for parts before I got it. The Cube worked the last time I tried it. I did, however, try to add a second drive, which didn't work. This may have screwed up the SCSI termination. My preferred contact email is <chris at blit.ca>. --Chris -- Chris Reuter http://www.blit.ca "I used to be able to count to 1023 on my fingers in two minutes, but then I got better." --Eb Oesch, <903f6dfe.0303242039.1f9e65b6 at posting.google.com>

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Univac I memory tank

by aek＠bitsavers.org

http://www.ebay.com/itm/162428766985 Asked if the mercury was still in it. They ignored me.

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Optical Mouse Pads

by bill.gunshannon＠hotmail.com

I am continuing the clean out of my vast collection of things I no longer have a need for. (Yes, everything you see me offer here was at one time used by me in real life!) I have three different model Optical Mouse Pads. NDE400306-003F NCW 402105-003 NDD 402105-003A Over time I have had optical mice from Sun3's, Sun4's, SGI's and even the old VisiOn mouse. I don't believe any of these to be from the Sun3 as it used bigger squares than these. Might not be any interest as it probably costs more to mail them (at least one at a time) than they are worth (unless someone needs one badly to complete a classic system!) So, anybody interested? What would you offer? (Expect about $7.00 for a Priority Mail Envelope which can hold more than one at a time.) bill

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VT52 keyboard question

by cramcram＠gmail.com

Hi, The "2" key on my VT52 is very hard to use. You've gotta pound it and you might get 2 "2"s for your trouble. I assume that the keyboard switch is made of unobtanium (If you know of a substitute chime in) so I'm thinking of swapping it for the "COPY" key which I guess is useless unless you have the built-in thermal printer. 1. Do you simply pull the keyboard button off the switch or is there a trick involved? 2. Any other gotcha's? Thanks, Marc

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sourcing Atmel 29Cxxx series flash roms

by dave＠661.org

I'm almost out of Atmel 29C256 flash roms. I use these primarily for P112 boot roms. I'd like some more because I still have P112 boards to sell... and I want them for other projects. Mouser, Digikey, and Jameco don't have it anymore. What are you guys doing to get these and equivalent chips? -- David Griffith dave at 661.org A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

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HP 21MX (2105) needs good home

by tpisek＠pobox.com

The 21mx has found a new home.

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AIX documentation

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: geneb > This entire conversation is completely absurd. Perhaps. But she did ask "Am I legally allowed to resell these?" - which is rather a different question from 'If you were me, would you just go ahead and sell these?' (My answer to the latter question, BTW, is 'Yes.') Yes, I know that in so carefully parsing her statement, I'm acting like a lawyer. So sue me! ;-) Noel

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help needed installing USB to Serial Cable for ADTPro

by starbase89＠gmail.com

Greetings! I am trying to connect my IIc to my laptop through ADTPro and am having trouble getting the FT232R adapter I bought from Retro Floppy. The host computer is an HP Elitebook running Windows 7 Pro 64-bit. When I first plugged in the cable, Windows tried and failed to find the device drivers. I downloaded the drivers from the manufacturer of the chip and and ran it. It told me installation was successful and device manager recognized that there was a USB serial port, but reported an Unknown Device and a Base System Device that didn't have drivers installed. I tried to use ADTPro but it didn't see a serial port. Has anyone run into this issue before? Thank you in advance! Joe Giliberti

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Fwd: Looking for Apollo Workstations for TV show

by steve＠oldcomputers.net

Get your systems on TV! Begin forwarded message: > From: Olivia Tanner <oktanner at gmail.com> > Date: March 13, 2017 at 11:45:13 AM PDT > To: steve at oldcomputers.net > Subject: Fwd: Looking for Apollo Workstations > > Hello Steve, > > I am working on an AMC TV series called "Halt & Catch Fire" and I came across your website during my search for Apollo Workstations. The show is set in 1993, and we're looking for three complete workstations from that era. Would you have any that we could possibly purchase or rent? If not, would you know of another place I could look? > > I didn't see these on your list of items, but we are also interested in Sun SparcStation 10 workstations and Silicon Graphics workstations from 1993 and before. > > Please let me know as soon as you have a chance if you would be willing to work with us. Thank you very much for your time! > > All the best, > > Olivia > > > Olivia Tanner > > Set Dec Coordinator > "Halt & Catch Fire"/ Season 4 > Stalwart Films, LLC > 4280 Northeast Expressway, Atlanta, GA 30340 > c: 661-889-3282 / o: 404-662-4052 >

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AIX documentation

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: geneb > A lot of /completely irrelevant/ technicalities, especially considering > the material in question is a physical object, not software. Doesn't matter. The various matters I raised (copyright, restricted rights, trade secret, and ownership) apply to printed documentation as well as software. > See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine That only applies if the item is i) not a copyright violation (i.e. it's an authorized copy), ii) legally the property of the entity selling it, etc. On the first, I have the impression (although I can't find, after some searching, a formal citation) that it is not legal to sell an un-authorized copy, even if the seller is not the entity which did the un-authorized copying. (I.e. if person B makes an un-authorized copy of person A's copyrighted content - an act which is definitely not legal - and sells said copy to person C, I don't believe that person C has the right to sell that un-authorized copy to person D.) Noel

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help needed installing USB to Serial Cable for ADTPro

by david4602＠gmail.com

On 3/13/2017 1:00 PM, cctech-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 16:57:54 -0400 > From: Joe Giliberti <starbase89 at gmail.com> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: help needed installing USB to Serial Cable for ADTPro > > The bootstrapping option is grayed out in ADT so I can't do that. I > don't have access to my usual tools for the next few days, so I can't > loop the pins (I've also engaged your question on the ADTPro support forum... that's probably a better place to debug this. But for the group...) Assuming there isn't a hardware issue like the null modem being plugged into the wrong DIN5 socket on the IIc, my guess is there's a bit-width issue with Java. First, some background: it sounds like you've been hacking around with (the location of) the RXTX serial library, which should not at all be necessary; it should be left where it is after unzipping the ADTPro distribution. Also, it's unusual for Windows not to recognize the FTDI-based chip in your UGREEN adapter; it should be automatically downloaded and installed. You should not need to install it manually. You should see the COM port populate in the Windows hardware manager when you plug it in (and the device driver is correctly installed). You said your Windows was version 7, 64-bit. Let's check Java. Go to a command line, and run 'java -version'. The build identifier will let us know if it's 32- or 64-bit. If it doesn't match your OS, that's the reason why ADTPro can't see the serial port (through RXTX). - David

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Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

let me put my name back in the hat for the cube next computer... all the other stuff we have looks ok but appears like our cube may have met a baseball bat on part of it.... poor thing would not look good in a display. Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC In a message dated 3/10/2017 10:13:29 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at classiccmp.org writes: On 9 March 2017 at 01:21, Ian Finder via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > Is someone testing a Markov chainer on the list? If so, you have some more > work to do... It would explain the resolute & total failure of our efforts to explain top-quoting to him. Er, to it. -- Liam Proven ? Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lproven at gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven ? Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 ? ?R/WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal: +420 702 829 053

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AIX documentation

by sales＠elecplus.com

Copyright 1991 IBM. All rights reserved. AIX X-Windows 3270 Emulator User's Guide Note to US Government Users - Documentation related to Restricted Rights - Use, duplication, or disclosure is subject to restrictions set forth in GSA ADP Schedule Contract with IBM Corp. This book describes how to use the AIX X-Windows3270 Emulator, X3270. All that being said, the entire contents of the binder is obviously a photocopy! Sellable or not? Of interest or not? Cindy Croxton

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by barythrin＠gmail.com

As others said, we're not lawyers so ymmv but I would take it as the same as selling a used cd, dvd, software or books. The usual law is we can't copy it. So scanning it, if that company or company's intellectual property is still in existence they might care. But selling originals is usually ok unless specific wording against it, although that's also probably the original owner in contract not yourself.? Ironically I was *just* having a similar thought and self conversation with some training materials I just purchased from a used book store. All the best, - John -------- Original message --------From: Electronics Plus via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Date: 3/12/17 5:15 PM (GMT-06:00) To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: AIX documentation I have a number of binders that have pretty thorough AIX documentation, but the trouble is, there are from security classes that were taught by private companies. Am I legally allowed to resell these?

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by sales＠elecplus.com

I have a number of binders that have pretty thorough AIX documentation, but the trouble is, there are from security classes that were taught by private companies. Am I legally allowed to resell these? Cindy Croxton

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Fwd: [rescue] Major Clearout (UK LN11) - REDUX

by lproven＠gmail.com

Forwarding a message that might be of interest to list members... -- Liam Proven ? Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lproven at gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven ? Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 ? ?R/WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal: +420 702 829 053 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> Date: 13 March 2017 at 13:41 Subject: [rescue] Major Clearout (UK LN11) - REDUX To: Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org> Hi, Filtering through this list to remove what's gone and revise the items as required. This is the LAST CALL for these. They'll be going to recycling if no-one claims them (aside from the Newer Computers) All stuff is in UK LN11 Postcode area. Prefer collection, but will ship small stuff at your *own risk and cost*. I will ship small items outside Europe but the large stuff is UK/EU only due to likely power supply restrictions and excess shipping costs. Unless otherwise explicitly stated, all items are **untested**. I will test computers on demand if needed. Cards and CPUs I can't really be bothered to. No returns, folks, ya gets what ya gets. There's a stack of pictures here: https://www.dropbox.com/sc/nt94k1zf0tn49wt/AACpoHnTm75yDhlFHQ6wd5WBa Identification of stuff is left to the reader. If you have any questions just drop me a line. Here goes: ALL FREE TO A GOOD HOME (shipping extra): =iMac G4 800 -15-inch - NOW FREE= TESTED working okay (booted into OS X 10.4.11 and ran a few apps) G4 800MHz CPU 15b LCD Panel 768MB RAM (256MB Internal, 512MB in upgrade slot) Airport (doesnb t support WPA encrypted WiFi) Cosmetically needs a clean and dedust, has a few scuffs on the outer case plastics, otherwise in good condition. Flat Panel LCD sadly has several bugs stuck between the LCD and the backlight resulting in small black spots that look like 2-3 dead pixels Has original, working external speakers (have special powered plug!) - in similar need of light TLC *In Original box* (because frankly it was the only way to store it safely!) Probably have a matching White Keyboard and Mouse somewhere. Happy to ship to UK Buyer as itb s easy enough in the box =PowerMac G3/400 upgraded to G4/500/1M)= NOW FREE but will cost extra for shipping TESTED WORKING booted into Mac OS X 10.4.11 and tooled about. Soak tested for 4 hours. REVISION B UNIT - DOES NOT HAVE THE IDE CONTROLLER BUG == NO VIDEO CARD == 512MB RAM (tested working in the machine) 40GB Hard drive (?) Case is in decent condition aside from an odd scuff, front lower handle has a chunk missing out of it (happened some time ago and never got replaced) =PowerMac 9600= UNTESTED but was working a year ago when I replaced a faulty logic board and booted it into Mac OS 9.1 ZIF Socket CPU card with a G3/500/1M upgrade CPU installed I think about 384MB of RAM ATi Rage 128GL video card Apple 10/100 Ethernet card Case is a bit dirty and has a few scuffs but is in good general condition. The side panel fan has slightly botched (but working) contacts on it. Inside is clean and in good condition. =Intel ISP1100 Rackmount 1U Server= UNTESTED Not been run up in years was stored as working Pentium III 800MHz (Coppermine) No RAM but have some PC100 and PC133 EEC that works in it 1.44MB Floppy and facility to install 2 hard drives (IDE) Includes some crazy-ass Broadcom PCI Crypto-Accelerator card thatb s probably obsolete. The shown hard drive is not included (itb s SATA, anyway) Was bought as new in the box so has not seen a server room in itb s life, I havenb t run it for any significant time. Chassis is clean aside from a bit of dust, the front panel cover likes to fall off because the rack ears got dingged. Comes with a full set of rack rails (never opened) if I can find them =Macintosh Performa 475= UNTESTED worked last time I turned it on and they are pretty hard to kill :) Probably has no RAM or VRAM (aside from soldered in stuff) Genuine XC68040RC25M CPU (not original, has FPU) No Hard Drive (tray and screws are in it I think) Has LC PDS Ethernet card, I think Clean condition, case is largely unscathed, only light yellowing. Has an AppleCentre Norwich dealer label on the front =Macintosh LC= UNTESTED Itb s complete and pretty original, including hard drive, RAM etc. Has some kind of LC PDS card in that I canb t identify (itb s no LAN), but I couldnb t be fashed to take the lid off as I didnb t have a screwdriver handy. I donb t remember having anything too exciting for LC PDS Case is okay apart from some sticker-guff and dirt. Even has original retaining screw! =Apple SCSI CD-ROM= UNTESTED External 50-pin SCSI Apple CD-ROM I think it has a Genuine Apple CD300 (Matshita 4x) drive in it which means itb ll work with System 7.5 up with no silly drivers IIRC 50-pin Centronics with Passthrough =Compaq 8-port PS/2 VGA KVM= UNTESTED The b less compatibleb black port version No cables, sorry, but they use standard VGA/PS2 ports CARDS =NuBus Cards= SuperMac DigitalFilm VidCap system - Includes cable and breakout box 2x of Asante Ethernet Card - RJ-45 and Thicknet ports =PCI/AGP Cards= 8MB Video Board from PowerMac 9600 (I forget the model) Apple Fast Ethernet 10/100 card - RJ-45 =CPUs & CPU Cards= ZIF Module PowerPC G3/266 - originally from Beige PowerMac G3 ZIF Module PowerPC G4/400 - unknown but likely from Yikes! G4 ZIF Module PowerPC G4/500 - SonnetTech G4/500/1M upgrade NewerTech MAXpower PowerPC G3 (233?) Slot Card (for pre-G3 PCI PowerMac) SonnetTech PowerPC G3 300/512 Upgrade Slot Card (for pre-G3 PCI PowerMac) PowerPC 604/166MHz - Pulled from a Power Computing PowerTower (Mac Clone) Unknown PowerPC G3/250 Upgrade Card - has rotary switch clock settings on it =MISC STUFF= AV b Wingsb Personality card (video in/out, RCA Audio in/out) - think these are for the Beige PowerMac G3? 2x of LC PDS Ethernet Card PowerMac 8100/7100/6100 Accelerated Video card for PDS Slot - includes 6100 bracket Apple Performa PDS Ethernet Card 3x of 3rd Party Apple-AUI (mini Apple port NOT DB-15) to RJ-45 transceivers Genuine Apple-AUI (mini Apple port NOT DB-15) to RJ-45 transceiver Quantum GoDrive 2.5b SCSI Hard drive - 40MB - Powerbook - 1992 Quantum GoDrive 2.5b SCSI Hard drive - 160MB - Powerbook - 1992 Various Drive Trays -PowerMac 8600/9600/G3 Beige Tower -Quadra 8xx/PowerMac 8xxx (pre-8600) -Mac LC Floppy Drives - Manual and Auto-inject types Mac SE & SE/30 Rear Expansion port bracket 2x of Mac Keyboard Cable (curly grey ones) Bundle of PhoneNet cables PowerMac 6100/7100 Video to 15-pin Monitor adapter (These still aren't photo'd but will take pics if interested) -- Mark Benson _______________________________________________ rescue list - http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue

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AIX documentation

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Fred Cisin > be aware that legal advice here is often tainted by our own interests, > hence the fiction of "abandonware". Speak for yourself; my comments below are the legal position as best I know it, and not influenced in any direction. Of course, as are most people here, I am not a lawyer (although I've spent enough money on Intellectual Property lawyers over the years to send myself to law school, had I had the time, so I now know a little bit about the subject :-), and my perception is that the lack of knowledge on all our parts implicit in that is a far larger risk than any bias. > From: Warner Losh > Resell: sure. The copyright interest of the seller is extinguished when > you purchase them I don't think that's correct: any copyright rights held by any party are generally not, AFAIK, modified by sale of the material from a second party (i.e. not a rights holder), to a third (you). But that's immaterial, as long as one is only selling a copy which one purchased. As long as that copy was itself not produced in violation of a copyright, transfer to a fourth party (whoever you sell it to) is entirely legal. (Just like selling used books - which generally are in copyright - is legal.) You are (I'm pretty certain) not in any danger on copyright grounds, as long as you don't make any copies yourself. (What the situation is, if that copy _was_ produced in violation of a copyright, I am not sure of.) Restricted rights (such as a duty not to pass the material along) are probably not an issue, as that is entirely a civil contract between the issuer and the second party (above) who purchased them. If that party elects to sell the items _without_ making a second civil contract with the third party (you), those restrictions would not apply. For the second party's violation, the only recourse of the first party would be to sue the second party. Since the third party doesn't have a contract with anyone, there are no grounds for any claim against them. If there are trade secrets involved, I'm not 100% sure of the situation, since there are some protections for trade secrets in the law; but those mostly apply to deliberate theft or espionage. My suspicion is that if a third party gains access to trade secrets through negligence on the part of the second party - i.e. the second party giving/selling material containing trade secrets to a third party - the third party is clear to do what they want with the information. But maybe not, I just don't know enough about protection of trade secrets. The final area to be considered is theft. If the party from whom the documents were obtained did not rightfully own them (e.g. if they technically still belong to the first party, and they were merely on loan to the second party), then the third party (you) can't own them either, and so you (legally) can't sell them. Having said all that, it would probably cost more to ascertain their exact status (were they sold or loaned, etc) than they are worth (unless they are worth a goodly amount). But I also suspect that the rights holder(s) probably no longer care - but that's just a guess. Noel

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MOVIE.BYU - progress

by rdawson16＠hotmail.com

Thanks group for the links to the source. These have passed thru many copies, and somehow have embedded control characters and such, but I am successful so far at the cleanup: I pull the source into a fortran knowledgeable editor, I am using "blocks" When the editor stops in the file, I drop into jedit, delete whatever is there, the invisible text and save; restart "blocks" and it parses further I should have this to compile in a few days. It outputs to the Tek terminal, for those guys working on that. Randy

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Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

ok can you spare the cube? Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 3/12/2017 7:12:11 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at classiccmp.org writes: Thanks to Chris, I have given the equipment a new home. Pics have been taken of the two NeXT Cube boards in question and pics of the motherboard, for good measure. I've made a post on the NeXT computer forum here for those who may be interested: http://www.nextcomputers.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4027 Thanks, Santo On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Ed via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > let me put my name back in the hat for the cube next computer... > all the other stuff we have looks ok but appears like our cube may > have met a baseball bat on part of it.... > > poor thing would not look good in a display. > Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC > > > In a message dated 3/10/2017 10:13:29 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > cctalk at classiccmp.org writes: > > On 9 March 2017 at 01:21, Ian Finder via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > wrote: > > Is someone testing a Markov chainer on the list? If so, you have some > more > > work to do... > > > It would explain the resolute & total failure of our efforts to > explain top-quoting to him. Er, to it. > > -- > Liam Proven ? Profile: https://about.me/liamproven > Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lproven at gmail.com > Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven ? Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven > UK: +44 7939-087884 ? ?R/WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal: +420 702 829 053 >

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Old Honeywell uPAC parts looking for a new home

by tpisek＠pobox.com

Greetings, While downsizing, I found some Honeywell uPAC cards. There? about 2 dozen of them. They consist of the following: od335 cc901 cc606 cc607 sr335 fa320 dj335 dk320 Physically they are in excellent shape; electrically is anybody?s guess. I?m willing to ship them to whomever wants them. Regards, Todd Pisek Saint Paul, MN

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Aquired PDP 11/23

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Devin Davison > This past week I managed to pick up a pdp 11/23. Nice system; the CPU has the MMU and FPP, you've got what's probably a 256KB memory card (an NS23M - documentation is available - depending on the chips, it can be 64KB or 256KB - if the former, let me know, I'll swap you a 256KB one), and I think the pair of quad cards are probably an RLV11. Not sure what that off-brand dual card is - maybe a ROM of some sort? I wonder what the card on top in the chassis is? It looks like it has way too many chips on it to be just a power supply board - but I can't figure out what it could be. Anyone know? Noel

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Aquired PDP 11/23

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Devin Davison > This past week I managed to pick up a pdp 11/23. Nice system; the CPU has the MMU and FPP, you've got what's probably a 256KB memory card (an NS23M - documentation is available - depending on the chips, it can be 64KB or 256KB - if the former, let me know, I'll swap you a 256KB one), and I think the pair of quad cards are probably an RLV11. Not sure what that off-brand dual card is - maybe a ROM of some sort? I wonder what the card on top in the chassis is? It looks like it has way too many chips on it to be just a power supply board - but I can't figure out what it could be. Anyone know? Noel

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server up

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

The server seems to be alive at the new IP, mail flowing, websites up.. Still checking a few things, but appears complete. J

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HP 21MX (2105) needs good home

by tpisek＠pobox.com

I am downsizing and have an HP 2105 available. It?s been stored well, but I cannot vouch as to its operability. I do not know off hand how much memory it has. It is located in Saint Paul, MN. Regards, Todd Pisek

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Did anyone on the list get these Displaywriter boards?

by aek＠bitsavers.org

forgot to set a snipe on them http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-Vintage-Circuit-Boards-1970s-INTEL-/14230410… http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-VINTAGE-Computer-Circuit-Boards-IBM-/1423041… there were several boards in there I had never seen before

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Logic Analyser Advice

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

I finally managed to pick up a logic analyser for a price I could justify. It is a HP1630G and it comes with a number of pods. However the pods do not seem to have the actual wires/probes. Is there a separate part number for these that I should look for. There seem to be quite a few items like this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291753390848, are these likely to be suitable alternatives? Thanks Rob

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Tektronix Terminal Emulation

by dj.taylor4＠comcast.net

I'm trying to return to the computing days of yesteryear when people hooked graphics terminals to VAXes. I don't have a Tektronix graphics terminal but I do have a MicroVax II and a laptop running Debian Linux. Up to now I've been using the laptop as a console device and connecting to the Vax using minicom. I thought that the laptop would be a natural as a Tektronix type terminal. On the MicroVax I have just started with PGPLOT and MIIPS, which are scientific plotting packages that run on Vaxes. I would like to use the laptop to emulate a Tek terminal connected to the Vax through a serial port, but there doesn't seem to be anything available to do that. Does anyone know of such a thing? Doug

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DEC DW11 information?

by derschjo＠gmail.com

Hi all - Anyone have any technical information (manuals, schematics, etc.) for the DEC DW11 UNIBUS->QBus interface? I'm curious to know what it's capable of and what the requirements are, especially on the QBus side of things. What kind of backplane is required? I assume it doesn't support 22-bit QBus devices given the age of the interface (and the complexity required to do so), but does it handle 18-bit devices, or only 16? I haven't found much technical information on it at all. Anyone have any details to share? Thanks, Josh

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10x life size sculpture of a ZX Spectrum PCB

by lproven＠gmail.com

Since, to my pleased surprise, this has been a runaway hit on Facebook, I thought I'd reshare it here. My friend Roger took a picture of this sculpture at the Jerwood Gallery in Hastings on the south coast of England: https://www.flickr.com/photos/25143643 at N07/32505083723 It's a piece called "A Mystery to Myself" by Keith Tyson. http://keithtyson.com/work/a-mystery-to-myself/ There are more pictures from this showing at a different galley: http://www.davidrisleygallery.com/exhibitions/keith-tyson2 -- Liam Proven ? Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lproven at gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven ? Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 ? ?R/WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal: +420 702 829 053

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HP Portable Plus 110 available in Ireland

by witchy＠binarydinosaurs.co.uk

Hi folks, Got this email from Shane in Ireland who'd like to trade a Portable Plus for anything videogaming wise, original message below so please reply to Shane if you're interested: ------------------------------------------ > Message from Shane Hurley (shanejah at hotmail.com) on February 27th, 2017 at > 10:37PM (GMT). > > Hey there! > > I currently have a Hewlett Packard Portable Plus but NO POWER SUPPLY! I > actually have the original leather case for it too, for whatever that's worth. > > Here's the ML & SL: > > Model Number 45711F > > Serial Number 2629A15219 > > I know these things can be of big value to some folk but not me and I'd love > for it to go somewhere where it could be used or loved. > > If this is something you'd like, I'd be happy to trade for anything video game > related. I have a small retro games stall open on weekends here in Ireland and > am always on the lookout for ways to make it work. I'm sure you understand the > way it can be. > ------------------------------------------- Cheers, -- Adrian/Witchy Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator Www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UK's biggest private home computer collection?

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Aquired PDP 11/23

by lyokoboy0＠gmail.com

This past week I managed to pick up a pdp 11/23. Excited to finally have a qbus system, it is quite small compared to my 11/34. Attached are some pictures showing what i picked up. I am in the process of stress testing the power supply before turning it on. The whole machine was quite dirty and is being cleaned out as well. A whole corner of the machine corroded away, thankfully there is a metal shop around the corner with a press, I am going to replace the corroded sides. https://postimg.org/gallery/11t1el096/ --Devin

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server downtime

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

The classiccmp host will be going down tonight around 8pm. It should be back up by 2am tomorrow. This will affect the mailing list as well as any and all websites hosted by the classiccmp server. While we provide DNS for most of those websites, there are a few that still maintain their own DNS elsewhere. For those folks, the new IP address of the server will be 71.91.242.75 Best, J

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Tektronix Terminal Emulation

by blstuart＠bellsouth.net

On Sat, 3/11/17, Douglas Taylor via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > One of the things that I tried > was running kermit inside the xterm window, I was able to > connect to the Vax but was unable to test the graphics portion. There are two things that come to mind as possibilities. First, if xterm isn't getting switched into Tek mode, who knows what you'll see displayed. To force it into Tek mode, start it with the -t option or in a vt100 xterm window do a ctrl-middle click and you'll get a menu where you can select "Switch to Tek Mode." The other possibility is that depending on setting, kermit might not be 8-bit clean. IIRC the Tek escape codes need the terminal line to be in 8-bit mode. When I'm connecting to a device speaking the Tek escape codes, I usually use cu instead, and it's generally worked pretty well for me. BLS

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RT-11 5.x install tapes?

by j_hoppe＠t-online.de

Alan, thanks! - I saw that neither 5.5 nor 5.6 has no DD, but 5.0 -5.4G and 5.7 has. Didn't understand the reason. - Also DD.MAC in the 5.0 - 5.4 and 5.7 changes often. I tested tu58fs with oversized TU58 tape for 5.3 and 5.7, the number of blocks is always patched into into offset 0x2c, 0x2d in DD.SYS - I made a working DD.SYS with .macro DD, .link DD, .rename DD.SAV DD.SYS Do you know how to make DDX.SYS? Must be a conditional MACRO symbol. Joerg > >> for work on TU58 emulator "tu58fs" I'd like to experiment with >> oversized tape images under RT-11 5.5, 5.6 and 5.7. The images I >> know about are the classiccmp collections, Earl Evans pointed me >> to the RT11DV50.ISO archive. >> However, in these images the TU58 driver files >> DD.MAC/DD.SYS/DDX.SYS are mostly missing. Strange, because they >> claim to be pristine. >> Somebody knows about original RT-11 V5 installation tape images? > Here is the DD.MAC file you are looking for. It was part of > the RT-11 v5.6 sources that Mentec supplied to the Y2K update > team to make v5.7. Since the last modification was in 1979, > it is safe to assume that it applies to all recent versions. > > Have fun! > > Alan > > -------------------------------------------------- > .MCALL .MODULE > .MODULE DD,VERSION=21,COMMENT=<DECtape II Handler>,AUDIT=YES > > ; COPYRIGHT (c) 1989 BY > ; DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION, MAYNARD, MASS. > ; ALL RIGHTS RESERVED > ; > ;THIS SOFTWARE IS FURNISHED UNDER A LICENSE AND MAY BE USED AND COPIED > ;ONLY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TERMS OF SUCH LICENSE AND WITH THE > ;INCLUSION OF THE ABOVE COPYRIGHT NOTICE. THIS SOFTWARE OR ANY OTHER > ;COPIES THEREOF MAY NOT BE PROVIDED OR OTHERWISE MADE AVAILABLE TO ANY > ;OTHER PERSON. NO TITLE TO AND OWNERSHIP OF THE SOFTWARE IS HEREBY > ;TRANSFERRED. > ; > ;THE INFORMATION IN THIS SOFTWARE IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE > ;AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSTRUED AS A COMMITMENT BY DIGITAL EQUIPMENT > ;CORPORATION. > ; > ;DIGITAL ASSUMES NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE USE OR RELIABILITY OF ITS > ;SOFTWARE ON EQUIPMENT THAT IS NOT SUPPLIED BY DIGITAL. > > .SBTTL CONDITIONAL ASSEMBLY SUMMARY > ;+ > ;COND > ; DD$PRI (4) Interrupt Priority > ; 4-7 possible interrupt priorities > ; > ; DDT$O (0) two controller support > ; 0 1 controller > ; 1 2 controllers > ; > ; DD$CSR (176500) 1st controller CSR > ; DD$VEC (300) 1st controller VECTOR > ; > ; DD$CS2 (176510) 2nd controller CSR > ; DD$VC2 (310) 2nd controller VECTOR > ; > ; EIS$I (MMG$T) Use SOB instruction (no code effects!) > ; 0 simulate SOB > ; 1 use SOB > ; > ; MMG$T std conditional > ; TIM$IT std conditional (no code effects) > ; ERL$G std conditional > ;- > > .SBTTL GENERAL COMMENTS > > .ENABL LC > > ;+ > ; ABSTRACT FOR CODE FROM WHICH THIS WAS TAKEN: > ; > ; THIS MODULE MAY BE ASSEMBLED TO YIELD EITHER THE RAM PORTION OF A PDT > ; DRIVER WITH PRIMITIVES IN ROM OR A MODULE TO BE LINKED WITH ANOTHER > ; MODULE TO MAKE AN RT11 DRIVER FROM THE ROM PRIMITIVES. > ; > ; AUTHOR: > ; > ; BILL CLOGHER VERSION 1 > ; DARRELL DUFFY VERSION 2 27-APR-78 > ; > ; MODIFIED BY: > ; BARBARA DOERRE > ; 23-AUG-78 SINGLE MODULE RT11 DRIVER > ; DENISE LANGLAIS > ; 29-JUN-79 REMOVE 'DEVICE DRIVER LIST' (R5) AND IMPURE AREA (R4) > ; 1-AUG-79 ADD DUAL CONTROLLER CODE AND SET OPTIONS > ;- > > .SBTTL MACROS AND DEFINITIONS > > .MCALL .DRDEF, .MTPS, .ASSUME .ADDR > > ; DD IS CONTROLLED VIA A SERIAL LINE OF DL TYPE > ; CONTROL REGISTERS ARE THEREFORE A DL > > .IIF NDF DD$PRI DD$PRI = 4 ;STANDARD PRIORITY FOR DL > > .IIF NDF DDT$O DDT$O = 0 ;DEFAULT TO SINGLE CONTROLLER > > .IIF NDF DD$CS2 DD$CS2 = 176510 ;DEFAULT CSR FOR SECOND CONTROLLER > .IIF NDF DD$VC2 DD$VC2 = 310 ;DEFAULT VECTOR > > .DRDEF DD,34,FILST$,512.,176500,300 > .IIF EQ MMG$T .DRPTR > .IIF NE MMG$T .DRPTR FETCH=*NO* > .DREST CLASS=DVC.DK > > .IIF NDF EIS$I EIS$I = MMG$T > .IIF EQ EIS$I .MCALL SOB ; USE SOB INSTRUCTION UNDER XM > > ;THE FOLLOWING LIST OF SYMBOLICS WERE DELETED SINCE ACCESS TO THE CSR'S > ;IS THROUGH A LIST OF THEIR ADDRESSES (@TICSRA AS OPPOSED TO @#TI$CSR) > ;TI$CSR =: DD$CSR ;INPUT CONTROL AND STATUS > ;TI$BFR =: TI$CSR+2 ;INPUT BUFFER > ;TO$CSR =: TI$CSR+4 ;OUTPUT CONTROL > ;TO$BFR =: TI$CSR+6 ;OUTPUT BUFFER > ;TI$VEC =: DD$VEC ;INPUT VECTOR > ;TO$VEC =: TI$VEC+4 ;OUTPUT VECTOR > > CS$INT =: 100 ;CONTROL INTERRUPT ENABLE > CS$BRK =: 1 ;CONTROL BREAK ENABLE > > ; ERROR LOG VALUES > > DDCNT =: 8. ;RETRY COUNT > DDNREG =: 10. ;COUNT OF REGISTERS REPORT TO EL > > ; RADIAL SERIAL CODES > > ; LEVEL 2 CODES (OPCODE BYTE) > > R$$NOP =: 0 ;NO OPERATION > R$$INT =: 1 ;INITIALIZE > R$$RED =: 2 ;READ FUNCTION > R$$WRT =: 3 ;WRITE OPERATION > R$$POS =: 5 ;POSITION > R$$END =: 100 ;END PACKET FROM PERIPHERAL > > ; LEVEL 1 CODES (FLAG BYTE) > > R$CONT =: 20 ;CONTINUE > R$INIT =: 4 ;INIT PROTOCOL > R$DATA =: 1 ;DATA PACKET > R$MSG =: 2 ;MESSAGE PACKET > R$MSIZ =: 10. ;MESSAGE PACKET SIZE > R$DSIZ =: 128. ;MAX DATA PACKET SIZE FOR DD > > ; MMU REGISTERS > > KISAR1 =: 172342 ;KERNEL PAR1 > > ; RMON REFERENCES > > SYSPTR =: 54 ; SYSCOM pointer to RMON > CONFG2 =: 370 ; second configuration word > BUS$ =: 000100 ; > PROS$ =: 020000 ; > BUS$M =: BUS$!PROS$ ;Mask for type bits > BUS$X =: BUS$!PROS$ ;Strange (busless) KXJ > BUS$C =: PROS$ ;CTI bus > BUS$Q =: BUS$ ;QBUS > BUS$U =: 0 ;UNIBUS > > SYSCHN =: 17 ; system channel number > .READ =: 375 ; EMT code for .READ/.WRITE > .WRITE =: 375 ; EMT CODE FOR .READ/.WRITE > ..READ =: 010 ; Subcode for .READ > ..WRIT =: 011 ; Subcode for .WRITE > > .SBTTL INSTALLATION CODE > > .ASECT > .IF NE DDT$O > .DRINS DD,<DD$CS2> > .IFF > .DRINS DD > .ENDC > BR 1$ ;Data device installation check > .ASSUME . EQ INSSYS > BR 15$ ;System device installation check (none) > 1$: MOV @#SYSPTR,R0 ; get address of RMON > MOV CONFG2(R0),R0 ;Get configuration word for BUS check > BIC #^C<BUS$M>,R0 ;Isolate bus bits > CMP #<BUS$X>,R0 ;Running on KXJ? > BNE 15$ ;Yes, go ahead and install > CMP #<BUS$C>,R0 ;CTI bus? > BEQ 2$ ; yes, don't install > 15$: TST (PC)+ ; clear carry, skip setting carry > 2$: SEC ; set carry > RETURN > > ; The EMT area for reading/writing the bootstrap is placed here > ; to leave room for set option code. > > BAREA: .BYTE SYSCHN,..READ ;CHANNEL 17, READ > .BLKW ;BLOCK NUMBER > .BLKW ;BUFFER ADDRESS > .WORD 256. ;WORD COUNT > .WORD 0 ;COMPLETION (WAIT) > > > O.RTR1: CMP R0,R3 ;ASKING FOR TOO MANY RETRIES? > BHI O.BAD ;USER IS BEING UNREASONABLE... > TST R0 ;WERE NON-ZERO RETRIES SPECIFIED? > BEQ O.BAD ;CAN'T ASK FOR NO RETRIES > MOV R0,DRETRY ;OKAY, SET IT > BR O.GOOD > > O.SYWL: > MOV @SP,R0 ; copy return address > INC R0 ; point to opcode at return > CMPB #BR/400,(R0)+ ; is it a BR xxx? > BNE O.BAD ; NO, old style SET > MOV R0, at SP ; use alternate return (RET+2) > BR O.BAD ; with carry set > > .ASSUME . LE 400,MESSAGE=<;Install area too big> > > .SBTTL SET OPTIONS > > .DRSET CSR, 160000, O.CSR, OCT > .DRSET VECTOR, 500, O.VEC, OCT > > .IF NE DDT$O > .DRSET CSR2, 160000, O.CSR2, OCT > .DRSET VEC2, 500, O.VEC2, OCT > .ENDC ;NE DDT$O > > .DRSET RETRY, 127., O.RTRY, NUM > > .IF NE ERL$G > .DRSET SUCCES, -1, O.SUCC, NO > .ENDC ;NE ERL$G > > BTCSR = <DDEND-DDSTRT> + <BOTCSR-DDBOOT> + 1000 > > O.RTRY: BR O.RTR1 ; MOVED TO INSTALL AREA > > O.CSR: CMP R0,R3 ;CSR IN RANGE? (>160000) > BLO O.BAD ;NOPE... > MOV R0,INSCSR ;YES, INSTALLATION CODE NEEDS IT > MOV R0,DISCSR ;AND SO DOES RESORC > > ; When the CSR for units 0 and 1 is changed, the bootstrap must > ; be altered such that it will use the correct controller. > > ;R1->EMT AREA > .ADDR #BAREA+4,R1 ; (BUFFER ADDRESS WORD) > ;R2->READ/WRITE BUFFER > .ADDR #1000,R2 ; (OVERWRITES CORE COPY OF BLOCK 1) > MOV R2,(R1) ;SET THE BUFFER ADDRESS > MOV #BTCSR/1000,-(R1) ; AND THE BOOT BLOCK TO READ/WRITE > TST -(R1) ;R1->EMT AREA > MOV R0,R3 ;SAVE CSR ELSEWHERE, EMT NEEDS R0 > MOV R1,R0 ;R0->EMT AREA FOR READ > EMT .READ ; *** (.READW) *** > BCS O.BAD > MOV R3,<BTCSR&777>(R2) ;SET THE NEW CSR > ADD #4,<BTCSR&777>(R2) ; (+4) > MOV R1,R0 ;R0->EMT AREA AGAIN > .ASSUME ..READ+1 EQ ..WRIT > INCB 1(R0) ;CHANGE FROM 'READ' TO 'WRITE' > EMT .WRITE ; *** (.WRITW) *** > BCS O.SYWL > MOV R1,R0 ;R0->EMT AREA (LAST TIME, HONEST) > .ASSUME ..WRIT-1 EQ ..READ > DECB 1(R0) ;CHANGE BACK TO A 'READ' > MOV #1,2(R0) ; OF BLOCK 1 OF HANDLER > EMT .READ ; ** (.READW) *** > BCS O.BAD > > .IF NE DDT$O > MOV R3,SET$L1+2 ;SET NEW CSR FOR CREATING ADDR LIST > .ENDC ;NE DDT$O > > ;GET ADDR OF CSR ADDRESS TABLE > .ADDR #TICSRA,R1 ; IN A PIC FASHION > MOV #2,R0 > MOV R3,(R1)+ ;SAVE RCSR, > ADD R0,R3 > MOV R3,(R1)+ ; RBUF, > ADD R0,R3 > MOV R3,(R1)+ ; XCSR, > ADD R0,R3 > MOV R3, at R1 ; AND XBUF > O.GOOD: TST (PC)+ ;GOOD RETURN (CARRY CLEAR) > O.BAD: SEC ;BAD RETURN (CARRY SET) > RETURN > > O.VEC: CMP R0,R3 ;VECTOR IN RANGE? (<500) > BHIS O.BAD ;NOPE... > BIT #3,R0 ;YES, BUT ON A VECTOR BOUNDRY? > BNE O.BAD ;NOPE... > MOV R0,VECTAB ;VECTOR ADDR TO DRIVER TABLE > TST (R0)+ ;+2 FOR PSW > > .IF NE DDT$O > MOV R0,SET$L2+2 ;SET VECTOR USED TO CREATE ADDR LIST > .ENDC ;NE DDT$O > > ;GET POINTER TO TIVECA > .ADDR #TIVECA,R1 ; IN A PIC FASHION > MOV R0,(R1)+ ;STORE ADDR OF INPUT PSW > TST (R0)+ ;+2 FOR OUTPUT VECTOR > MOV R0,VECTAB+6 ;VECTOR ADDR TO DRIVER TABLE > TST (R0)+ ;+2 FOR PSW > MOV R0, at R1 ;STORE ADDR OF OUTPUT PSW > RETURN > > .IF NE DDT$O > O.CSR2: CMP R0,R3 ;CSR IN RANGE? (>160000) > BLO O.BAD ;NOPE... > MOV R0,SET$L3+2 ;CHANGE CSR USED TO CREATE ADDR LIST > MOV R0,DISCS2 ;AND FOR RESORC > RETURN > > O.VEC2: CMP R0,R3 ;VECTOR IN RANGE? (<500) > BHIS O.BAD ;NOPE... > BIT #3,R0 ;YES, BUT ON A VECTOR BOUNDRY? > BNE O.BAD ;NOPE... > MOV R0,VECTAB+14 ;VECTOR ADDR TO DRIVER TABLE > TST (R0)+ ;+2 FOR PSW > MOV R0,SET$L4+2 ;SET VECTOR USED TO CREATE ADDR LIST > TST (R0)+ ; +2 FOR OUTPUT VECTOR > MOV R0,VECTAB+22 ;VECTOR ADDR TO DRIVER TABLE > BR O.GOOD > .ENDC ;NE DDT$O > > .IF NE ERL$G > O.SUCC: MOV #0,R3 ;'SUCCESS' ENTRY POINT > ; (MUST TAKE UP TWO WORDS) > N.SUCC: MOV R3,SCSFLG ;'NOSUCCESS' ENTRY POINT > .ASSUME O.SUCC+4 EQ N.SUCC > BR O.GOOD > .ENDC ;NE ERL$G > > .Assume . LE 1000,MESSAGE=<;SET area too big> > > .SBTTL START I/O ENTRY > > .DRBEG DD > > CALL STARIO ;CALL START I/O - ONLY RETNS IF ERROR > ERR1: MOV DDCQE,R4 ;ERROR, R4 -> CURRENT QUEUE ELEMENT > .ASSUME Q$BLKN-2 EQ Q$CSW > BIS #HDERR$, at -(R4) ;SET HARD ERROR BIT IN CSW > BR PDEXIT ;EXIT ON HARD ERROR > > ; FOR SET OPTIONS TO ALLOW VECTORS TO BE CHANGED > ; KEEP .DRVTB MACRO CALLS IN THIS ORDER > > VECTAB: .DRVTB DD,DD$VEC,DDINT > .DRVTB ,DD$VEC+4,DDINT > .ASSUME .-DDSTRT LE 1000 > .IF NE DDT$O > .DRVTB ,DD$VC2,DDINT > .DRVTB ,DD$VC2+4,DDINT > .ASSUME .-DDSTRT LE 1000 > .ENDC ;NE DDT$O > > .IF NE ERL$G > SCSFLG: .WORD 0 ; :SUCCESSFUL LOGGING FLAG (DEFAULT=YES) > .ASSUME .-DDSTRT LE 1000 > ; =0 - LOG SUCCESSES, > ; <>0 - DON'T LOG SUCCESSES > .ENDC ;NE ERL$G > > .SBTTL DD VECTOR AND CSR ADDRESS LIST > > ; NOTE: > ; THIS LIST WAS CREATED TO IMPLEMENT THE DUAL CONTROLLER CODE, HOWEVER > ; THE LIST DEFAULTS TO THE CORRECT ADDRESSES FOR A SINGLE CONTROLLER > ; SINCE ALL REFERENCES TO THE CSR'S AND VECTORS ARE THROUGH THIS LIST. > ; NOT ONLY IS THE ORDER CRITICAL BUT ALSO THE FACT THAT THIS LIST MUST > ; BE LOCATED IN THE FIRST BLOCK OF THE HANDLER IN ORDER FOR THE SET > ; OPTIONS TO WORK (I.E. KMON READS ONLY THE FIRST 2 BLOCKS FOR A SET > ; COMMAND) > > ; *ORDER* > > TICSRA: .WORD DD$CSR > TIBFRA: .WORD DD$CSR+2 > TOCSRA: .WORD DD$CSR+4 > TOBFRA: .WORD DD$CSR+6 > TIVECA: .WORD DD$VEC+2 > TOVECA: .WORD DD$VEC+6 > > ; *END ORDER* > .ASSUME .-DDSTRT LE 1000 > > .SBTTL INTERRUPT ENTRY > > .ENABL LSB > > BR DDABRT > DDINT:: BCS 1$ ;DON'T DO .INTEN IF C=1 ON INTERRUPT (SPEED) > JSR R5,@$INPTR ;JUST LIKE THE .DRAST MACRO WOULD DO > .WORD ^C<DD$PRI*^O40>&^O340 ;.DRAST DD,DD$PRI,DDABRT > CLR (PC)+ ;CLEAR FORK FLAG - NEEDED FOR ERROR LOGGER > FKFLG: .WORD 0 ;FLAG=0 UNTIL .FORK IS DONE > JMP @I$INTR ;GO TO INTERRUPT SERVICE > > ; HIGH SPEED INTERRUPT ENTRY > > 1$: MOV R4,-(SP) ;SAVE R4 > CALL @I$INTR ;CALL WHERE WE LEFT OFF > MOV (SP)+,R4 ;RESTORE > RTI ;RETURN FROM INTERRUPT > > .DSABL LSB > > .SBTTL INTERRUPT EXIT > > ;+ > ; INIRTN - ENABLES THE INPUT INTERRUPT AND BRANCHES TO INPRTN > ; SAME INPUT AND OUTPUT AS INPRTN > ; > ; OUTCHR - OUTPUTS THE CHARACTER PASSED IN R5 AND FALLS INTO OUTRTN > ; SAME INPUT AND OUTPUT AS OUTRTN EXCEPT R5 ON ENTRY > ; CONTAINS THE CHARACTER TO OUTPUT > ; > ; NOTE: TWO ENTRIES (OUTRTN, INPRTN) ARE IDENTICAL > ; > ; JSR PC,XXXRTN > ; > ; RETURN SAVED IN I$INTR > ; RETURN FROM INTERRUPT > ;- > > INIRTN: BIS #CS$INT, at TICSRA ;SET THE INPUT INTERRUPT > BR INPRTN ;GO RETURN > > OUTCHR: MOV R5, at TOBFRA ;OUTPUT A CHARACTER > OUTRTN: > INPRTN: MOV (SP)+,I$INTR ;SAVE RETURN > INTRTN: RETURN > > .SBTTL COMPLETION EXIT > > COMPLT: BCS ERR1 ;IF CS, ERROR > > .IF NE ERL$G > TST FKFLG ;WAS A FORK DONE > BNE 1$ ;IF NE, YES, OK TO GO TO ERROR LOGGER THEN > CALL FORK ;NO, MUST BE AT FORK LEVEL FOR ERROR LOGGING > 1$: TST SCSFLG ;LOGGING SUCCESSES? > BNE PDEXIT ;NOPE... > MOV #DD$COD*400+377,R4 ;SUCCESSFUL I/O - CALL ERROR LOGGER > MOV DDCQE,R5 ;CALL ERROR LOGGER FOR SUCCESS > CALL @$ELPTR > .ENDC ;NE ERL$G > > PDEXIT: .DRFIN DD ;EXIT TO COMPLETION > > .SBTTL FORK ROUTINE > > ;+ > ; FORK - DO A .FORK > ; > ; R0 - R3 = SAME AS WHEN INTERRUPT SERVICE ENTERED > ; SP -> THE RETURN PC > ; FKFLG = 0 (NO .FORK DONE YET) > ; > ; JSR PC,FORK > ; > ; R0 - R3 = AVAILABLE FOR USE > ; R4, R5 = SAME AS WHEN FORK WAS CALLED > ; STACK = UNSPECIFIED. GUARANTEED NOT TO BE SAME > ; PRIORITY = 0 (FORK LEVEL) > ; FKFLG <> 0 TO INDICATE A .FORK HAS BEEN DONE > ;- > > FORK: MOV (SP)+,FKFLG ;SAVE RETURN, POPPING STACK, AND SET FORK FLAG > MOV R0,-(SP) ;SAVE REGISTERS 0-3 > MOV R1,-(SP) > MOV R2,-(SP) > MOV R3,-(SP) > MOV FKFLG,-(SP) ;GET THE RETURN ADDRESS > JSR PC,@(SP)+ ;CO-ROUTINE BACK TO IT > MOV (SP)+,R3 ;RESTORE THE REGISTERS > MOV (SP)+,R2 > MOV (SP)+,R1 > MOV (SP)+,R0 > RTS PC ;COMPLETE THE UN-WINDING > > .SBTTL DDABRT - ABORT ENTRY > > DDABRT::BIC #1, at TIVECA ;CLEAR ANY CARRY BITS SET IN > BIC #1, at TOVECA ;THE INTERRUPT PSW > .MTPS #340 ;RAISE PRIORITY TO PREVENT INTERRUPTS > BIC #CS$INT, at TICSRA ;NO INPUT INTERRUPTS FOR NOW > BIS #CS$INT, at TOCSRA ;SET UP OUTPUT INTERRUPT > CLR (PC)+ ;CLEAR THE COUNT-DOWN WORD > 5$: .BLKW > 10$: MOV #R$INIT,R5 ;SEND INIT > CALL OUTCHR ;OUTPUT IT > DECB 5$ ;WAIT A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME > BEQ 15$ ; AND IF NO RESPONSE, GIVE UP TRYING > ; TO LEAVE IN A KNOWN STATE (AS PER > ; REPLY TO SPR #47883) > TSTB @TICSRA ;INPUT CHAR READY YET? > BPL 10$ ;NO,KEEP SENDING INITS > CALL TXINIT ;LEAVE IN A KNOWN STATE > 15$: BR PDEXIT ;EXIT NOW - DRFIN > > .SBTTL STARIO - START I/O CODE > > ;+ > ; STARIO - START I/O CODE > ; > ; R0-R4 AVAILABLE > ; > ; JSR PC,STARIO > ; > ; INTERRUPTS ENABLED, ALL SETUP TO START TRANSFER > ; > ; RETURN TO CALLER ON COMMAND ERROR > ; ELSE RETURN TO CALLER'S CALLER > ;- > > .ENABL LSB > > STARIO::CLR PK$UNT ;ASSUME FIRST UNIT > MOV DDCQE,R3 ;R3 -> QUEUE ELEMENT > MOVB Q$UNIT(R3),R0 ;GET THE UNIT BYTE > BIC #^C<7>,R0 ;CLEAR ALL BUT THE UNIT > ASR R0 ;SHIFT IT TO CHECK FOR ODD UNIT > > .IF EQ DDT$O > BNE 10$ ;IF UNIT > 1 ERROR > .ENDC ;EQ DDT$O > > BCC 1$ ;OK IF EVEN UNIT > INC PK$UNT ;SELECT ODD UNIT FOR TRANSFER > 1$: > .IF NE DDT$O > SET$L1: MOV #DD$CSR,R3 ;ASSUME FIRST DD CONTROLLER > SET$L2: MOV #DD$VEC+2,R2 ;CSR AND VECTOR > .ASSUME .-DDSTRT LE 1000 > ASR R0 ;SHIFT UNIT TO CHECK FOR SECOND CONTROLLER > BNE 10$ ;IF UNIT WAS 4 TO 7 ERROR > BCC 2$ ;FIRST CONTROLLER WAS RIGHT > SET$L3: MOV #DD$CS2,R3 ;IT'S THE SECOND CONTROLLER > SET$L4: MOV #DD$VC2+2,R2 ;CSR AND VECTOR > .ASSUME .-DDSTRT LE 1000 > 2$: > .ADDR #TICSRA,R1 ;POINT TO ADDRESS LIST > CMP R3, at R1 ;IS THE LIST OF ADDRESSES OK AS IS? > BEQ 4$ ;YES, DON'T BOTHER TO CHANGE AGAIN > MOV #4,R0 ;NO, THERE ARE FOUR TO CHANGE > 3$: MOV R3,(R1)+ ;STORE THE ADDRESSES IN THE TABLE > TST (R3)+ ;THEY ARE LOCATED TOGETHER SO +2 > SOB R0,3$ ;MORE? > MOV R2,(R1)+ ;NOW STORE THE VECTOR PSW LOCATIONS > CMP (R2)+,(R2)+ ;ADD FOR THE OUTPUT VECTOR PSW ADDR > MOV R2, at R1 > 4$: > .ENDC ;NE DDT$O > > DRETRY = .+2 > MOV #DDCNT,I$ERCT ;COMM RETRY COUNT > .ASSUME .-DDSTRT LE 1000 > CLR RETIO ;CLEAR THE RETRY I/O FLAG > TST I$ABRT ;DO WE NEED TO ABORT THE TX? > BNE RETRY ;NO OK ITS DONE > INC I$ERCT ;1 RETRY REQUIRED TO INIT > .ADDR #ABORT,R1 ;POINT TO ABORT > BR GO ;AND START THE BALL ROLLING > > RETRY: MOV DDCQE,R3 ;R3 -> QUEUE ELEMENT > TST RETIO ;IS I/O BEING RETRIED ? > BEQ 7$ ;NO, CONTINUE > ADD #Q$WCNT,R3 ;POINT AT THE WORD COUNT > MOV @R3,R1 ;PICK UP THE WORD COUNT > BPL 5$ ;BRANCH IF IT'S READ > NEG R1 ;MAKE WORD COUNT POSITIVE > 5$: ASL R1 ;MAKE IT A BYTE COUNT > SUB I$BYTC,R1 ;COMPUTE NUMBER OF BYTES TRANSFERED > ROR R1 ;MAKE IT WORD COUNT > CLRB R1 ;ROUND DOWN TO A BLOCK MULTIPLE > MOV R1,R2 ;COPY IT > TST @R3 ;IS WORD COUNT POSITIVE? > BPL 6$ ;YES, SUBTRACT #WORDS TRANSFERRED > NEG R1 ;NO, ADD #WORDS TRANSFERRED > 6$: SUB R1, at R3 ;UPDATE THE WORD COUNT > > .IF EQ MMG$T > .ASSUME Q$WCNT-2 EQ Q$BUFF > ADD R2,-(R3) ;UPDATE THE BUFFER ADDRESS > ADD R2, at R3 ;TWICE FOR CORRECT ADDRESS > .ASSUME Q$BUFF-2 EQ Q$FUNC > TST -(R3) ;POINT AT THE Q$FUNC > .IFF > MOV R2,R1 ;COPY THE WORD COUNT > ASHC #-5,R1 ;SHIFT IT RIGHT TO GET 32W UNIT COUNT > ADD R1,Q$PAR-Q$WCNT(R3) ;UPDATE THE BUFFER ADDRESS > .ASSUME Q$WCNT-4 EQ Q$FUNC > CMP -(R3),-(R3) ;BACK OFF THE QUEUE ELEMENT POINTER > .ENDC ;EQ MMG$T > > SWAB R2 ;GET THE NUMBER BLOCKS TRANSFERRED > .ASSUME Q$FUNC-2 EQ Q$BLKN > ADD R2,-(R3) ;UPDATE THE BLOCK NUMBER > 7$: MOV #R$$RED,PK$OPC ;GUESS READ OP, CLEAR MODIFIER BYTE > CLRB PK$SSQ ;CLEAR UP UNUSED STUFF > CLR PK$SSQ+1 ;SINCE TX DOES NOT USE IT > MOV Q$WCNT(R3),R1 ;GET WORD COUNT > BPL 8$ ;POSITIVE MEANS READ > MOVB #R$$WRT,PK$OPC ;MAKE IT WRITE > NEG R1 ; AND MAKE A POSITIVE WORD COUNT > 8$: ASL R1 ;MAKE BYTE COUNT > BNE 9$ ;NORMAL I/O > MOVB #R$$POS,PK$OPC ;COUNT=0 => SEEK, FUNCTION IS POSITION > 9$: MOV Q$BUFF(R3),I$ADRS ;ADDRESS FOR TRANSFER > > .IF NE MMG$T > MOV Q$PAR(R3),I$PAR ;SAVE PAR VALUE, TOO > .ENDC ;NE MMG$T > > MOV R1,I$BYTC ;SAVE BYTE COUNT > MOV R1,PK$BCT ;COPY BYTE COUNT INTO PACKET > MOV @R3,PK$RCD ;STORE BLOCK NUMBER IN COMMAND PACKET > .ADDR #TXGO,R1 ;MAKE THE ADDRESS OF THE TRANSFER START > GO: MOV R1,I$INTR ;OUTPUT SIDE STARTS US > BIS #CS$INT, at TOCSRA ;OUTPUT INTERRUPTS > TST (SP)+ ;RETURN DIRECT TO MONITOR > 10$: RETURN ;ERROR RETURN TO SKELETON > > .DSABL LSB > > .SBTTL TXGO - START TRANSFER FROM INTERRUPT LEVEL > > ;+ > ; TXGO - START TRANSFER > ; > ; JMP TXGO > ; > ; TRANSFER TO COMPLETION OR ERROR ENTRY > ;- > > TXGO: CALL FORK ;ENTER FORK STATE > MOV #R$MSG,PK$FLG ;MESSAGE TYPE TO FLAG BYTE > MOV #R$MSIZ,R2 ;MESSAGE SIZE FOR PACKET > ;GET ADDRESS OF MESSAGE > .ADDR #PK$OPC,R1 ;OPCODE IS FIRST BYTE > CALL SNDPKT ;SEND A PACKET TO START IO > 1$: CMPB PK$OPC,#R$$WRT ;IS IT A WRITE? > BNE 2$ ;NO > JSR R5,RCVPKT ;IF WRITE, RECEIVE THE CONTINUE PACKET > .WORD R$CONT ;EXPECTED A CONTINUE > 2$: MOV I$ADRS,R1 ;GET THE DATA ADDRESS > MOV I$BYTC,R2 ; AND THE BYTE COUNT > BEQ TXEND ;NO BYTES => POSITION (GET END PACKET) > CMP R2,#R$DSIZ ;TOO LARGE FOR ONE PACKET? > BLOS 3$ ;NOPE, USE THIS COUNT > MOV #R$DSIZ,R2 ;REDUCE TO A SINGLE PACKET TRANSFER > 3$: CMPB PK$OPC,#R$$WRT ;WRITE? > BNE 4$ ;NO > MOVB #R$DATA,PK$FLG ;YES, SET UP DATA FLAG > CALL SNDPKT ;SEND DATA PACKET > CMP I$BYTC,#R$DSIZ ;MORE LEFT TO DO? > BLOS TXEND ;NO, FINISH UP > JSR R5,RCVPKT ;YES, RECEIVE THE NEXT CONTINUE PACKET > .WORD R$CONT ;EXPECT A CONTINUE > BR 5$ ;GO SEND THE NEXT DATA PACKET > > 4$: JSR R5,RCVPKT ;READ, RECEIVE A DATA PACKET > .WORD R$DATA ;EXPECT A DATA FLAG > 5$: > .IF EQ MMG$T > ADD #R$DSIZ,I$ADRS ;ADJUST THE ADDRESS > .IFF > ADD #2,I$PAR ;ADJUST THE PAR BIAS TO UPDATE THE ADDR > .ENDC ;EQ MMG$T > > SUB #R$DSIZ,I$BYTC ;COUNT ONE PACKET FROM THE WORD COUNT > BHI 2$ ;STILL MORE TO GO > CLR I$BYTC ;ALL HAS BEEN TRANSFERRED > > .SBTTL TXEND - READ THE END PACKET AFTER A TRANSFER > > TXEND: ;POINT TO THE MESSAGE PACKET > .ADDR #I$MBFR,R1 ; BY THE PIC METHOD > MOV #R$MSIZ,R2 ;THE SIZE OF A MESSAGE > JSR R5,RCVPKT ;GET A PACKET > .WORD R$MSG ;EXPECT A MESSAGE PACKET > > .SBTTL ERROR - ANALYZE AN END PACKET > > ERROR: CMPB PK$FLG,#R$MSG ;MESSAGE PACKET? > BNE ABORTR ;NO, PROTOCOL SCREWUP, TRY REINITIALIZING > CMPB I$MOPC,#R$$END ;END PACKET? > BNE ABORTR ;NO, ERROR > TSTB I$MSUC ;CHECK FOR SUCCESS > > .IF EQ ERL$G > BPL CPLRTN ;OK, SO COMPLETE WITHOUT ERROR > .IFF > BEQ CPLRTN ;OK, SO COMPLETE WITHOUT ERROR > BLT FATAL ;FATAL ERROR > MOV I$ERCT,R2 ;DATA IS OK, BUT LOG CONTROLLER RETRIES > CALL LOGERR ;LOG THE RETRY ATTEMPT > BR CPLRTN ;NOW YOU CAN RETURN > .ENDC ;EQ ERL$G > > FATAL: TST FKFLG ;FORK DONE? > BNE 1$ ;YES, COMPLETE WITH AN ERROR > CALL FORK ;ELSE GO TO FORK LEVEL > > .IF NE ERL$G > CLR R2 ;INDICATE FATAL I/O ERROR > CALL LOGERR ;LOG THE HARD ERROR > .ENDC ;NE ERL$G > > 1$: SEC ;SET C FOR FATAL ERROR > CPLRTN: BIC R4,R4 ;ZERO R4 > BIC #CS$INT, at TICSRA ;ZAP INTERRUPT ENABLE > BIC #CS$INT, at TOCSRA ;ON BOTH SIDES > JMP COMPLT ;*C* GO TO COMPLETION EXIT > > .SBTTL ABORT - COMMUNICATIONS ERROR > > ABORTR: MOV SP,(PC)+ ;INDICATE I/O RETRY IN PROGRESS > RETIO: .WORD 0 ;RETRY I/O INDICATOR > ABORT: CALL TXINIT ;ABORT THE TRANSFER > CLR I$ABRT ;ABORT IS NEEDED (ASSUME) > TST I$ERCT ;TRIED ALL WE CAN? > BLE FATAL ;YES- NO MORE TRIES > INC I$ABRT ;NO IT WORKED THIS TIME > MOV R3,-(SP) ;SAVE > MOV R2,-(SP) ; ALL > MOV R1,-(SP) ; IMPORTANT > MOV R0,-(SP) ; REGISTERS > CALL 9$ ;CALL SIMULATES MONITOR CALL TO STARTIO > MOV (SP)+,R0 ;RESTORE > MOV (SP)+,R1 ; ALL > MOV (SP)+,R2 ; IMPORTANT > MOV (SP)+,R3 ; REGISTERS > RETURN ;RETURN FROM INTERRUPT > > 9$: CALL RETRY ;RETRY ENTRY IN MAIN START CODE > TST (SP)+ ;DUMP NEXT RETURN TO CLEAN STACK > MOV (SP)+,R0 ;RESTORE > MOV (SP)+,R1 ; ALL > MOV (SP)+,R2 ; IMPORTANT > MOV (SP)+,R3 ; REGISTERS > BR FATAL ;RETURN HERE IS FATAL > > .IF NE ERL$G > > .SBTTL LOGERR - SET UP AND CALL ERROR LOGGER > > ;+ > ; R2 > 0 => RETRY ATTEMPT (SOFT ERROR) > ; = 0 => HARD ERROR > ; > ; JSR PC,LOGERR > ; > ; ALL REGISTERS RESTORED > ;- > > LOGERR: MOV R2,R4 ;R4 LOB = CURRENT RETRY COUNT > BIS #DD$COD*400,R4 ;R4 HOB = DEVICE ID CODE > MOV DRETRY,R3 > SWAB R3 > ADD #DDNREG,R3 ;R3=MAX RETRIES/NUMBER OF REGISTERS > ;FORM THE ADDRESS OF THE REGISTER > .ADDR #I$LCHR,R2 ;BUFFER IN R2 > MOV DDCQE,R5 ;LOG THE ERRORS > CALL @$ELPTR > CLR I$LCHR ;CLEAR FOR NEXT TIME > RETURN ;NO NEED TO RESTORE REGISTRS > > .ENDC ;NE ERL$G > > .SBTTL TXINIT - INIT THE TU58 > > ; TXINIT - INITILIZE THE TU58 > ; > ; IF A CHECKSUM ERROR OCCURS, AN UNEXPECTED PACKET TYPE IS RECEIVED, > ; OR SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENS WHICH INDICATES THE TRANSMISSION LINE > ; OR PROTOCOL IS OUT OF SYNC, WE SEND RADIAL SERIAL 'SIGNAL' TO THE DD > ; ('SIGNAL' IS BREAK STATE ON THE COMM LINE). > ; WE TIME BREAK WITH TWO NULL CHARS, THEN SEND TWO INIT CHARS > ; AND WAIT FOR A CONT FLAG TO SAY WE ARE IN SYNC. > ; IF THINGS ARE REALLY SCREWED UP, THIS COULD OCCUR FOREVER. > ; TO AVOID THIS, IF 8 ATTEMPTS ARE MADE TO SIGNAL THE DD > ; DURING ONE TRANSFER, WE QUIT AND RETURN A HARD ERROR. > ;- > > TXINIT: BIC #CS$INT, at TOCSRA ;SET UP KNOWN STATE > BIC #CS$INT, at TICSRA > MOV (SP)+,I$SUBR ;SAVE SUBROUTINE RETURN > 1$: > .IF NE ERL$G > TST I$ABRT ;FORCED ABORT ? > BEQ 2$ ;YES, DON'T LOG AN ERROR > TST FKFLG ;AT FORK LEVEL FOR ERROR LOGGING ? > BNE 3$ ;YES, DON'T FORK AGAIN > CALL FORK ;FORK > 3$: MOV I$ERCT,R2 ;SET UP THE RETRY COUNT > CALL LOGERR ;LOG THE RETRY ATTEMPT > 2$: > .ENDC ;NE ERL$G > > .MTPS #340 ;RAISE PRIORITY TO PREVENT INTERRUPT > MOV #177777, at TOBFRA ;;;SEND ONES FOR TIMING > BIS #<CS$INT!CS$BRK>, at TOCSRA ;;;SET BREAK AND INTERRUPT ENABLE > CALL OUTRTN ;;;OUTPUT WAIT > MOV #177777,R5 ;SEND RUBOUT FOR TIMING > CALL OUTCHR ; AND WAIT ON IT > BIC #CS$BRK, at TOCSRA ;SHUT OFF BREAK > MOV #R$INIT,R5 ;SEND AN INIT > CALL OUTCHR ; AND WAIT ON IT > MOV #R$INIT,R5 ;TRY TWO JUST IN CASE > CALL OUTCHR ; AND WAIT ON THE SECOND > BIC #CS$INT, at TOCSRA ;TURN OFF OUTPUT INTERRUPTS > TST @TIBFRA ;DUMP THE INPUT CHARACTER TO CLEAR READY > CALL INIRTN ;NOW WAIT FOR THE ANSWER > MOV @TIBFRA,PK$FLG ;GET THE FLAG > BIC #CS$INT, at TICSRA ;NO MORE INPUT INTERRUPTS > DEC I$ERCT ;TOO MANY TIMES? > BLE 9$ ;YES, BAD LINE OR BAD DEVICE > CMPB PK$FLG,#R$CONT ;IS IT CORRECT? > BNE 1$ ;TRY AGAIN > 9$: CALLR @I$SUBR ;RETURN FROM THIS SUBROUTINE > > .SBTTL SNDPKT - SEND RADIAL SERIAL PACKET > > ;+ > ; SNDPKT - SEND RADIAL SERIAL PACKET > ; > ; R1 -> DATA > ; R2 = BYTE COUNT > ; PK$FLG = FLAG BYTE > ; ENTRY IN FORK STATE > ; > ; JSR PC,SNDPKT > ; > ; R0,R3 = UNDEFINED > ; PACKET SENT > ; OUTPUT INTERRUPT DISABLED > ; EXIT IN FORK STATE > ;- > > SNDPKT: MOV (SP)+,I$SUBR ;SAVE SUBROUTINE RETURN > MOV R1,I$MADR ;SAVE ADDRESS > MOVB R2,PK$MBC ;SAVE BYTE COUNT IN PACKET > MOV PK$FLG,PK$CKS ;INITILIZE CHECKSUM > .MTPS #340 ;NO INTERRUPTS > MOVB PK$FLG, at TOBFRA ;;;OUTPUT FIRST BYTE (FLAG) > BIS #CS$INT, at TOCSRA ;;;ENABLE INTERRUPTS > CALL OUTRTN ;;;WAIT FOR OUTPUT INTERRUPT > MOVB PK$MBC,R5 ;OUTPUT MESSAGE BYTE COUNT > CLRB I$TDAT+1 ;CLEAR THE HIGH BYTE OF TEMP WORD > BIS #1, at TOVECA ;SET CARRY => NO .INTEN > CALL OUTCHR ;AND WAIT FOR INTERRUPT > 2$: > .IF NE MMG$T > MOV @#KISAR1,-(SP) ;SAVE OLD PAR1 > MOV I$PAR,@#KISAR1 ;USE OUR OWN VALUE > .ENDC ;NE MMG$T > > MOVB @I$MADR, at TOBFRA ;OUTPUT DATA BYTE > MOVB @I$MADR,I$TDAT ;STORE THE BYTE JUST OUTPUT > > .IF NE MMG$T > MOV (SP)+,@#KISAR1 ;RESTORE SAVED PAR1 > .ENDC ;NE MMG$T > > INC I$MADR ;NEXT ADDRESS > ADD I$TDAT,PK$CKS ;ADD IT TO THE CHECKSUM > ADC PK$CKS ;END AROUND CARRY > SWAB PK$CKS ;SWAP CKECKSUM FOR ODD BYTE > DECB PK$MBC ;ARE WE DONE? > BEQ 3$ ;YES, TIME TO CLEAR THE CARRY > RETURN ;NO, KEEP ON SENDING THOSE CHARACTERS FAST > > 3$: BIC #1, at TOVECA ;CC => DO INTEN > ADD #4$-2$,I$INTR ;SET UP THE RETURN ADDRESS > RETURN ;GO BACK THE WAY YOU CAME > > 4$: MOVB PK$CKS,R5 ;OUTPUT CHECKSUM > CALL OUTCHR ;TIL OUT > MOVB PK$CKS+1,R5 ;HO HUM > CALL OUTCHR ;TIL GONE > BIC #CS$INT, at TOCSRA ;CLEAR INTERRUPTS, FALL THROUGH TO RETURN PKT > > ; PACKET ROUTINE RETURN > > PKTRTN: CALL FORK ;USING SKELETON DRIVER > CALLR @I$SUBR ;AND RETURN FROM SUBROUTINE > > .SBTTL RCVPKT - RECEIVE A RADIAL SERIAL PACKET > > ;+ > ; RCVPKT - RECEIVE A RADIAL SERIAL PACKET > ; > ; R1 -> DATA AREA > ; R2 = BYTE COUNT > ; I$EFLG EXPECTED FLAG BYTE > ; ENTERED IN FORK STATE > ; > ; JSR PC,RCVPKT > ; > ; R0-R3 = UNDEFINED > ; PK$FLG = FLAG RECEIVED > ; I$MBFR = PACKET IF NOT EXPECTED TYPE UNLESS > ; DATA PACKET IN WHICH CASE ABORT IS ENTERED > ; EXIT IN FORK STATE > ;- > > RCVPKT: MOV (R5)+,I$EFLG ;SAVE THE EXPECTED FLAG > MOV R5,I$SUBR ;SAVE SUBROUTINE RETURN > MOV (SP)+,R5 ;RESTORE R5 > MOV R1,I$MADR ;PACKET ADDRESS SPACE > .MTPS #340 ;LOCK OUT INTERRUPTS > CALL INIRTN ;;;AND COME BACK HERE > MOV @TIBFRA,R4 ; SAVE THE CHAR AND THE OVERRUN ERROR > BMI 6$ ; ERROR ABORT THE TRANSFER > MOVB R4,PK$FLG ; SAVE THE CHAR FOR A FLAG > CMPB R4,I$EFLG ;FLAG EXPECTED? > BEQ 2$ ;YES- OK > CMPB R4,#R$MSG ;MESSAGE PACKET ? > BNE 6$ ;NO, THEN UNEXPECTED ERROR > .ADDR #I$MBFR,-(SP) ;MAKE ADDRESS OF MESSAGE BUFFER > MOV (SP)+,I$MADR ;TO MESSAGE ADDRESS > 2$: CMPB R4,#R$CONT ;CONTINUE FLAG? > BEQ PKTRTN ;YES - NO MORE DATA NOW > BIS #1, at TIVECA ;CS => NO .INTEN > CALL INPRTN ;WAIT ON A CHAR > 1$: MOV @TIBFRA,R4 ; SAVE THE CHAR AND THE OVERRUN ERROR > BMI 8$ ; ERROR ABORT THE TRANSFER > MOVB R4,PK$MBC ;IT'S THE MESSAGE COUNT > MOV PK$FLG,PK$CKS ;INITIALIZE THE CHECKSUM > ADD #4$-1$,I$INTR ;SET UP NEW RETURN > 3$: RETURN ;RETURN FROM INTERRUPT > > 4$: MOV @TIBFRA,R4 ;SAVE THE CHAR AND OVERRUN ERROR > BMI 8$ ;ERROR ABORT THE TRANSFER > > .IF NE MMG$T > MOV @#KISAR1,-(SP) ;SAVE CURRENT PAR1 > MOV I$PAR,@#KISAR1 ;USE OUR OWN VALUE > .ENDC ;NE MMG$T > > MOVB R4, at I$MADR ;STORE THE DATA IN BUFFER > > .IF NE MMG$T > MOV (SP)+,@#KISAR1 ;RESTORE PREVIOUS PAR1 > .ENDC ;NE MMG$T > > INC I$MADR ;NEXT ADDRESS > BIC #^C<377>,R4 ;INTERESTED ONLY IN BYTE > ADD PK$CKS,R4 ;ADD IN THE CURRENT CHECKSUM > ADC R4 ;ADD IN END AROUND CARRY > SWAB R4 ;SWAP CHECKSUM BYTES FOR NEXT CHAR > MOV R4,PK$CKS ;SAVE CHECKSUM > DECB PK$MBC ;ANY MORE BYTES? > BNE 3$ ;YES, GO GET 'EM > BIC #1, at TIVECA ;DO .INTEN NEXT INTERRUPT > ADD #7$-4$,I$INTR ;SET UP NEW RETURN POINT > RETURN ;GO BACK THE WAY YOU ENTERED INTERRUPT > > 7$: MOV @TIBFRA,R4 ; SAVE THE CHAR AND THE OVERRUN ERROR > BMI 6$ ; ERROR ABORT THE TRANSFER > MOVB R4,I$TDAT ; GET THE LOW BYTE FIRST > CALL INPRTN ;HIGH BYTE NEXT > MOV @TIBFRA,R4 ; SAVE THE CHAR AND THE OVERRUN ERROR > BMI 6$ ; ERROR ABORT THE TRANSFER > MOVB R4,I$TDAT+1 ; SAVE IT > BIC #CS$INT, at TICSRA ;NO MORE INTERRUPTS > CMP I$TDAT,PK$CKS ;IS IT CORRECT? > BNE 5$ ;CHECKSUM ERROR > CMPB PK$FLG,I$EFLG ;FLAG WE EXPECTED? > BEQ PKTRTN ;YES OK GO TO COMMON RETURN > JMP ERROR ;NO SIGNAL ERROR > > 6$: > .IF NE ERL$G > MOV R4,I$LCHR ;STORE THAT LAST CHAR IN ERROR > .ENDC ;NE ERL$G > > 5$: JMP ABORTR ;NOPE- FATAL ERROR > > 8$: > .IF NE ERL$G > MOV R4,I$LCHR ;SAVE THE CHAR IN ERROR > .ENDC ;NE ERL$G > > ; GET OUT FROM INTERRUPT LEVEL > > BIC #1, at TIVECA ;CLEAR CARRY > .ADDR #ABORTR,-(SP) ;TO ABORT > MOV (SP)+,I$INTR ;AS RETURN > RETURN > > .SBTTL DATA AREA > > ; *ORDER* SOME CODE DEPENDS ON THE CURRENT ORDERING OF THIS DATA > > I$ABRT: .WORD 0 ;ZERO FOR ABORT REQUIRED ON STARTUP > I$ADRS: .WORD 0 ;ADDRESS OF DATA > I$BYTC: .WORD 0 ;BYTE COUNT FOR DATA > I$INTR: .WORD 0 ;INPUT INTERRUPT RETURN > I$ERCT: .WORD 0 ;ERROR RETRY COUNT (COMMUNICATIONS) > I$MADR: .WORD 0 ;MESSAGE ADDRESS > I$TDAT: .WORD 0 ;MESSAGE TEMP DATA > I$SUBR: .WORD 0 ;SUBROUTINE RETURN ADDRESS > > .IF NE ERL$G > I$LCHR: .WORD 0 ;LAST CHARACTER INPUT > .ENDC ;NE ERL$G > > I$EFLG: .WORD 0 ;EXPECTED FLAG BYTE > I$MBFR: ;*ORDER* MESSAGE PACKET BUFFER > I$MOPC: .BYTE 0 ;* MESSAGE OPCODE > I$MSUC: .BYTE 0 ;* SUCCESS CODE FOR END PACKET > .BYTE 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ;*END* REMAINDER OF PACKET > > .IF NE MMG$T > I$PAR: .WORD 0 ;PAR VALUE TO MAP USER BUFFER > .ENDC ;NE MMG$T > > ; PACKET BUFFER FOR MESSAGE > > ; *ORDER* > > PK$FLG: .BYTE 0 ;FLAG BYTE > PK$MBC: .BYTE 0 ;BYTE COUNT FOR PACKET > PK$OPC: .BYTE 0 ;OPCODE > PK$MOD: .BYTE 0 ;MODIFIER BYTE > PK$UNT: .BYTE 0 ;UNIT > PK$SSQ: .BYTE 0,0,0 ;SWITCH AND SEQUENCE > PK$BCT: .BYTE 0,0 ;BYTE COUNT FOR DATA > PK$RCD: .BYTE 0,0 ;RECORD NUMBER OF START > PK$CKS: .BYTE 0,0 ;CHECKSUM FOR PACKET > > ; *END ORDER* > > .SBTTL BOOTSTRAP READ ROUTINE > > .DRBOT DD,BOOT1,READ > > . = DDBOOT+40 ;PUT THE JUMP BOOT INTO SYSCOM AREA > BOOT1: JMP @#BOOT-DDBOOT ;START THE BOOTSTRAP > > . = DDBOOT+210 > READ: MOV #DDCNT,RTRCNT ;INIT THE RETRY COUNT > MOV @#B$DEVU,DDUNIT ;STORE THE UNIT NUMBER > ASL R1 ;MAKE BYTE COUNT OF WORD COUNT > MOV R0,DDBLK ;MOVE IN THE BLOCK (RECORD) NUMBER > MOV R1,DDBTCT ;MOVE THE BYTE COUNT INTO PACKET > > ; INITIALIZE THE TX CONTROLLER IN CASE > > BRESTR: MOV R2,-(SP) ;SAVE THE START OF BUFFER ON STACK > MOV (PC)+,R0 ;GET THE CSR ADDRESS+4 > BOTCSR: .WORD DD$CSR+4 ;PATCH THIS WORD IF CSR CHANGED (SET) > BIS #CS$BRK, at R0 ;SET BREAK FOR SIGNAL > MOV (PC)+,R3 ;SEND ONES FOR TIMING > .WORD 177777 > CALL BCHROS ;OUTPUT THEM > CONRD1: TSTB @R0 ;READY YET ? > BPL CONRD1 ;NOT YET > BIC #CS$BRK, at R0 ;CLEAR THE BREAK > MOV (PC)+,R3 ;GET TWO INITS > .BYTE R$INIT,R$INIT ;TWO INITS FOR TX > CALL BCHROS ;OUTPUT BOTH INITS > TST -2(R0) ;DUMP OLD CHAR > CALL BICHR ;GET A CHAR FOR INPUT > CMPB R3,#R$CONT ;IS IT A CONTINUE? > BNE BFATAL ;NO > MOV #B$CHK-DDBOOT,R4 ;POINT TO THE CHECKSUM WORD IN PACKET > CLR @R4 ;INITIALIZE IT CHECKSUM > MOV #B$PKT-DDBOOT,R5 ;COMMAND PACKET PATTERN > 1$: MOV (R5)+,R3 ;GET NEXT TWO BYTES TO OUTPUT > ADD R3, at R4 ;ADD INTO THE CHECKSUM > ADC @R4 ;END AROUND > CALL BCHROS ;OUTPUT THE TWO BYTES > CMP R5,R4 ;ALL THE PACKET OUT ? > BLOS 1$ ;NO, KEEP OUTPUTTING > > ; PACKET IS OUT, NOW WAIT FOR DATA PACKET FROM TX > > BRDPKT: CALL BICHP2 ;READ TWO CHARACTERS > MOVB R3,R4 ;BYTE COUNT TO R4 > ;NOTE THE C BIT IS ALREADY CLEARED > RORB R4 ;MAKE IT A WORD COUNT > MOV R1,-(SP) ;INIT THE CHECKSUM > CMPB R1,#R$DATA ;DATA PACKET ? > BNE BEND ;NOPE, END PACKET ? > 2$: CALL @R5 ;INPUT 2 BYTES > MOV R1,(R2)+ ;STORE IN THE BUFFER > ADD R1, at SP ;BUILD THE CHECKSUM > ADC @SP ;END AROUND CARRY > DECB R4 ;DONE ? > BGT 2$ ;IF GT - NO > CALL (R5) ;GET 2 CHECKSUM BYTES > CMP R1,(SP)+ ;CHECKSUM OK ? > BNE BFATAL ;NO > BR BRDPKT ;YES, CONTINUE > > ; IF WE ARE GETTING INIT,INIT,INIT,... ITS OK SINCE THE CODE > ; WILL WORK AND FAIL TO FIND A GOOD SUCCESS CODE OR CHECKSUM > > BEND: CALL (R5) ;TWO CHARS IN > TSTB R3 ;CHECK SUCCESS CODE > BMI BOTH ;NO - DO RETRY OR GIVE ERROR > 1$: ADD R1, at SP ;COMPUTE CHECKSUM > ADC @SP ;END AROUND > CALL (R5) ;INPUT CHECKSUM > SOB R4,1$ ;DONE ? > CMP R1,(SP)+ ;CHECKSUM OK > BNE BFATAL ;WE BLEW AN END PACKET!! > MOV (SP)+,R2 ;RESTORE START OF BUFFER > CLC ;MAKE SURE C-BIT CLEAR UPON RETURN > RETURN ;EXIT > > BOTH: TST (SP)+ ;DUMP THE CHECKSUM WORD > BFATAL: MOV (SP)+,R2 ;RESTORE THE BUFFER ADDRESS > DEC RTRCNT ;ANY RETRIES LEFT ? > BNE BRESTR ;YES, TRY AGAIN > BR BIOERR ;HARD ERROR - PRINT MESSAGE > > .SBTTL BYTE INPUT ROUTINES (BOOT) > > ;+ > ; INPUT BYTE ROUTINES > ; > ; BICHP2 - INPUT BYTE IN R1 AND SWAP THE BYTES. CALLS BICHR TWICE > ; > ; BICHR - INPUT ONE BYTE IN R1 > ; > ; R0 -> TRANSMIT CSR > ; R1 = PARTIAL WORD INPUT, LOW BYTE=0 [BICHR] > ; > ; JSR PC,BICHP2/BICHR > ; > ; R1 = OLD HIGH BYTE (LOW) / NEW BYTE (HIGH) > ; R3 = DATA BYTE > ; R5 = UNDEFINED > ;- > > BICHP2: MOV PC,R5 ;STORE THE ENTRY POINT TO THE > CLR R1 ; FOLLOWING ROUTINE > CALL @PC ;ENTRY FOR TWO BYTES WITHOUT STORE > BICHR: TSTB -4(R0) ;WAIT ON READY > BPL BICHR ;TIL SET > MOVB -2(R0),R3 ;GET BYTE > BISB R3,R1 ;MAKE PARTIAL WORD > SWAB R1 ;AND SET TO MAKE NEXT PART > RETURN > > .SBTTL BYTE OUTPUT ROUTINES (BOOT) > > ;+ > ; OUTPUT BYTE ROUTINES > ; > ; BCHROS - OUTPUT 2 BYTES > ; > ; R0 -> TRANSMIT CSR > ; R3 = BYTES TO OUTPUT (LOW BYTE FIRST) > ; > ; JSR PC,BCHROS > ;- > > BCHROS: CALL @PC ;OUTPUT LOW BYTE > 1$: TSTB @R0 ;WAIT TIL DONE > BPL 1$ > MOVB R3,2(R0) ;AND OUTPUT LOW BYTE > SWAB R3 ;AND SWAP THE WORD > RETURN > > ; COMMAND PACKET PATTERN: > ; ***** THIS PACKET MUST REMAIN IN ORDER ***** > > B$PKT: .BYTE R$MSG,R$MSIZ,R$$RED,0 > DDUNIT: .WORD 0 ;UNIT BOOTED FROM > .BYTE 0,0 > DDBTCT: .WORD 0 ;BYTE COUNT > DDBLK: .WORD 0 ;RECORD NUMBER > B$CHK: .WORD 0 ;CHECKSUM > > RTRCNT: .WORD 0 ;RETRY COUNT > > . = DDBOOT+606 > BOOT: MOV #10000,SP ;SET STACK POINTER > MOV R0,@#B$DEVU ;SAVE THE UNIT NUMBER > MOV R0,-(SP) ;SAVE ON THE STACK TOO > MOV #2,R0 ;READ IN SECOND PART OF BOOT > MOV #<4*400>,R1 ;EVERY BLOCK BUT THE ONE WE ARE IN > MOV #1000,R2 ;INTO LOCATION 1000 > CALL READ ;GO READ IT IN > MOV #READ-DDBOOT,@#B$READ ;STORE START LOCATION FOR READ ROUTINE > MOV #B$DNAM,@#B$DEVN ;STORE RAD50 DEVICE NAME > MOV (SP)+,@#B$DEVU ;STORE THE UNIT NUMBER > JMP @#B$BOOT ;START SECONDARY BOOT > > .DREND DD > > .END > --------------------------------------------------

8 years, 11 months

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Tape reel data recovery from MERA-400 polish computer

by lproven＠gmail.com

http://museo.freaknet.org/en/recupero-dati-nastri-magnetici-del-computer-po… -- Liam Proven ? Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lproven at gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven ? Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 ? ?R/WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal: +420 702 829 053

8 years, 11 months

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Vintage Computer stuff on EBAY.DE

by admin＠meiner.ch

Hello friends of vintage computing, As I need the space at home, I am parting from some of my vintage gear. They have all been listed on EBAY.DE. Among others, there are two PDP11 V03 systems, a number of CRT terminals and others. Have a look and see if you find something of interest. Head over to EBAY.DE and search for "PDP11 V03", and then see all my other actions. Just thought I'd let you know.. Martin

8 years, 11 months

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HP 9815A

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Local electronics place has a HP 9815A for sale, the appearance from a 10 foot distance was "fair" or slightly less than fair condition. If someone is serious about it, let me know and I'll inquire further. J

8 years, 11 months

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Borrowing a ADF scanner near Orangeburg SC next week?

by ian.finder＠gmail.com

I'm going on an archiving trip to preserve a deserving piece of computer history, but it turns out the scanner I'm borrowing is overweight and united will charge $100-200 to check it each way. Before I buy one off amazon, I wanted to see if anyone on the list was local and could let us borrow one Tuesday-Friday. Looking for a heavy duty, double sided ADF deal. Thanks, - Ian -- Ian Finder (206) 395-MIPS ian.finder at gmail.com

8 years, 11 months

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RT-11 5.x install tapes?

by j_hoppe＠t-online.de

Hi all, for work on TU58 emulator "tu58fs" I'd like to experiment with oversized tape images under RT-11 5.5, 5.6 and 5.7. The images I know about are the classiccmp collections, Earl Evans pointed me to the RT11DV50.ISO archive. However, in these images the TU58 driver files DD.MAC/DD.SYS/DDX.SYS are mostly missing. Strange, because they claim to be pristine. Somebody knows about original RT-11 V5 installation tape images? Thanks, Joerg

8 years, 11 months

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FW: More 8085a oddities

by witchy＠binarydinosaurs.co.uk

Hi folks, I didn't see the message at the bottom of this one arrive since I think I sent it JUST as the list software was being changed over. Gah, having just looked again I realise I've sent it from not the address I've subbed with. PEBCAK there :) Since then I discovered the -5V rail for the 4116s had dropped to -4.2V which was out of spec for both types of RAM on this box so on Chuck's suggestion I swapped the 560ohm resistor/zener combo that was powering this rail for a 79L05 regulator and the DRAMs now have all 3 voltages steady. No change in behaviour though. I'm baffled as to why the upper address bus doesn't blip once RESET goes high. HOLD is permanently pulled low so it's not that. Any suggestions? Cheers! -- Adrian/Witchy Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator Www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UK's biggest private home computer collection? ------ Forwarded Message From: Adrian Graham <witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2017 23:34:50 +0000 To: "Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Conversation: More 8085a oddities Subject: More 8085a oddities Hi folks, After a few days break I came back to my 8085a-powered phone system this weekend and it's decided to go on strike. By that I mean the processor locks up after only a few cycles so doesn't get as far as attempting to read anything, when it freezes the S0/S1/WR status lines are all high which shouldn't be possible since S0/S1 high should be 'Fetch' according to the manual, not WRITE. Vcc, RESET and clock are good and I can't see any other external signal which might hold the CPU. The PSU is good and putting out +5/+12/-12 as it should. CPU checks out in another 8085 system I forgot I had. Interestingly my analyser shows the upper half of the address bus doesn't change while the lower half manages a single transition, as does the ALE signal. From the CPU both halves of the address bus go directly to a 74LS373 each which both check out OK on a breadboard circuit I made up earlier. ROMs are all OK and the lines themselves back to the LS373 and CPU check out with little resistance. I'm stumped and can't help but think this is something stupid which I'm overlooking. Maybe more sleep will help. Cheers! -- Adrian/Witchy Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator Www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UK's biggest private home computer collection? ------ End of Forwarded Message

8 years, 11 months

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LMI Lambda - Software this time

by dseagrav＠lunar-tokyo.net

Great progress has been made in running the Lambda firmware and diagnostics. A way has been found to structure things such that the emulator is releasable without infringing on anyone?s copyrights. Now what we need is software tapes, specifically a Lisp distribution tape of any version. If anyone has any tapes in any condition, or knows someone who might have something, please ask them to consider imaging their tapes, or having them imaged. If you have images of anything that aren?t the images already on bitsavers, I would love to hear from you. Even partial or corrupt images are potentially useful.

8 years, 11 months

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Full immersion emulation

by charles.unix.pro＠gmail.com

Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for early Multics installations (and other systems) the sound of the Selectric operator's console. I/O Selectrics are rare, expensive and unreliable. If some good quality audio clips of a Selectric were available, it should be possible to jimmy up the console terminal emulator to make the sounds. So I am fishing for any existing audio clips with clean sounds, or someone with a Selectric that is willing to make some recordings, or a pointer to somewhere where all of this has been done already. -- Charles

8 years, 11 months

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Info Needed: DATARAM DR-111 PDP-11 Unibus 16KW Core Memory

by systems.glitch＠gmail.com

Looking for any information and/or documentation on DATARAM DR-111 (assembly 61101) 16Kx16 core memory boards for the Unibus. I've got four in unknown condition, one with a clearly destroyed 8T37. I have a large format scanner with ADF and can digitize print sets if necessary. Thanks, Jonathan

8 years, 11 months

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Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

we may some parts pieces maybe when we stage our next cube... who knows might pop up and work by it self.. let me know what you are not going to used there. thx Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 3/8/2017 2:07:11 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at classiccmp.org writes: Hi Mark, Works for me or I can post. I am "snuci" on http://www.nextcomputers.org and have been a member for a little while. I have a couple of NeXTs already including only one that I've put on my site at http://vintagecomputer.ca/next-dimension-cube-turbo One of these will go to a friend who has a small collection and is new to NeXT so we'll have another potential member soon :) For the record, that blog post is old. I have the Cube working with dual monitors and have no issues with that one at all. Santo On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Tapley, Mark <mtapley at swri.edu> wrote: > On Mar 8, 2017, at 1:28 PM, Santo Nucifora <santo.nucifora at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hi Mark, > > > > I have reached out to Chris (I am local) and will providing a new home > for the lot. I will be happy to take hi-res pics of the board when I get > them over the weekend. > > > > Santo > > Santo, > that?s great! Wonderful to hear they are going to a good home. > I will try to pass on the photos to > > http://www.nextcomputers.org > > if that?s OK with you, or you can do so directly. That seems to be > one of the biggest active repositories of NeXT information. > If you want to get them running, there is also a lot of useful > information in the forum area on the same site, including pretty detailed > steps on how to implement a SCSI2SD or other hard drives. Some of that may > be helpful with the cube as well. > - Mark > >

8 years, 11 months

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Just seen on Reddit S/34

by pete＠petelancashire.com

https://www.reddit.com/r/computercollecting/comments/5pohwr/a_rare_find_in_…

8 years, 11 months

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Oki 3305 disk drives

by wrm＠dW.co.za

Hi all I have a couple of Oki 3305BU 1/3 height 5 1/4" drives. On startup the motor spins and the heads load, but the heads don't move. Also, my BIOS tells me I have a drive failure. On taking them apart for a bit of a lube I noticed they have EPROM 8748s inside. Could this be the problem, EPROMs lost data? This would be a first for me, I have EPROMs from the seventies which are still fine. Anybody familiar with these drives? Thanks W

8 years, 12 months

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Fluorescent lights (Was: Full immersion emulation)

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

have no idea... wife bought them at home depot they were not cheap but just twisted ino fixture and done. I am going to do dame in some of the rooms at SMECC museum too. I like a simple fix and this was! In a message dated 3/7/2017 12:43:24 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at classiccmp.org writes: On 3/7/2017 11:04 AM, Ed via cctalk wrote: > we had tubes with LEDs in them... took old florescent tube out of > fixture.. twisted in the thing with the LEDs in it that hacked wight into > the lighting fixture and done! Ed# > I've asked about those and have no sources of such. They do have to work thru ballasts and deal with starter issues that are no longer relevant, unless you remove and rewire the ballasts / starters out of the old fixtures. The things I've seen are the same form factor as a 4' dual tube dual 40 watt fixture with 110 in and light out. Pull and toss an old dual tube fixture and replace with new LED. But I've not seen the tube solution. I've got a couple of spots the tube thing would be desirable, but no source of such. If you do have a source I'd be interested. thanks Jim

8 years, 12 months

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Fluorescent lights (Was: Full immersion emulation)

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

we had tubes with LEDs in them... took old florescent tube out of fixture.. twisted in the thing with the LEDs in it that hacked wight into the lighting fixture and done! Ed# In a message dated 3/7/2017 10:23:36 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at classiccmp.org writes: > From: Jon Elson > I have converted our kitchen to LEDs. Yeah, I've already done ours, too. Our fixtures are let into the ceiling, so just replacing them with LED ones wasn't an option; I couldn't find ones that took the same opening. But I bought an under-ceiling fluorescent-sized LED fixture, made by a company called Hampton Bay, to replace an under-ceiling fixture in another room, and I noticed it was just enough smaller than the ones in the kitchen. So I gutted the kitchen fixtures, took Hampton Bay units, discarded the plastic light-shields, and with a bit of trimming, convinced the base plates (which holds the power supply, LEDs, etc) to fit into the existing fixtures. I'm now currently wanting to do my shop, and I'm looking for something which is a bit less work - tubes that I simply plug in, or something like that, are what I'm looking for! Noel

8 years, 12 months

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I hate the new mail system

by phb.hfx＠gmail.com

On 2017-03-07 10:45 PM, Paul Berger wrote: > > > > On 2017-03-07 10:38 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: >> On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Eric Christopherson via cctalk wrote: >>> What makes it so that other mailing lists don't unsubscribe people when >>> bounces occur? >> >> This list displays (not "full headers"): >> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 20:23:42 -0600 >> From: Eric Christopherson via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> >> Reply-To: Eric Christopherson <echristopherson at gmail.com>, >> "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" >> <cctalk at classiccmp.org> >> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" >> <cctalk at classiccmp.org> >> Subject: Re: I hate the new mail system >> >> >> Some yahoos would do it as: >> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 20:23:42 -0600 >> From: "Eric Christopherson echristopherson at gmail.com [cctalk]" >> <cctalk at classiccmp.org> >> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" >> <cctalk at classiccmp.org> >> Subject: Re: I hate the new mail system >> >> >> Notice, that they also munge the From:, but they include the author's >> email address buried within the munged From:. >> >> It is not the "correct" From: and Reply-to:, >> but, apparently some "modern" systems will not tolerate it done >> "correctly". >> Given that it is NOT going to be done "correctly", which among us are >> capable of successfully working around it? > Well in Thunderbird I get two reply buttons "Reply" and "Reply to list" >> >> This discussion is a little like a pedantic grammar argument. >> >> >> -- >> Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com > Oppps I never meant to send that..... Paul.

8 years, 12 months

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MIPS I-IV instruction set standards

by aap＠papnet.eu

I'm wondering where the MIPS I-IV standards that are referenced everywhere are defined. I was able to actually find what seems to be the IV standard [1] but found no such thing for I-III. I didn't even find any bibliographic references to them. Did they only exist as printed books and nobody bothered to scan them? Or are they under copyright? Would be nice to have them accessible somewhere. [1] http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/academic/class/15740-f97/public/doc/mips-isa.p…

8 years, 12 months

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3B2 stuff-maybe

by sales＠elecplus.com

I called the only place I know of that supported 3B2 stuff, which is Communications Hardware in TX. They recently had a change in technicians, and a lot of the older stuff they no longer support got culled, but they are willing to look for boards, drives, or whatever would help the collectors get their machines up and running again. I described the documentation set to them, and they will look for it. Any parts you want, send me a list, and they will hunt for me. Cindy Croxton

8 years, 12 months

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Fluorescent lights (Was: Full immersion emulation)

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Jon Elson > I have converted our kitchen to LEDs. Yeah, I've already done ours, too. Our fixtures are let into the ceiling, so just replacing them with LED ones wasn't an option; I couldn't find ones that took the same opening. But I bought an under-ceiling fluorescent-sized LED fixture, made by a company called Hampton Bay, to replace an under-ceiling fixture in another room, and I noticed it was just enough smaller than the ones in the kitchen. So I gutted the kitchen fixtures, took Hampton Bay units, discarded the plastic light-shields, and with a bit of trimming, convinced the base plates (which holds the power supply, LEDs, etc) to fit into the existing fixtures. I'm now currently wanting to do my shop, and I'm looking for something which is a bit less work - tubes that I simply plug in, or something like that, are what I'm looking for! Noel

8 years, 12 months

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FTGH (you come get): VAXstation 100 terminals

by spectre＠floodgap.com

I picked these up as part of an estate liquidation, but I don't have a Unibus setup to run them off, and they are large and taking up space. They now need to be gone. The condition is unknown but they are intact. If you know what one is, you probably know how to hook it up and use it. If you don't, they are NOT VAXen -- they're more like overgrown graphics terminals that connect over Unibus. They are not like other VAXstations. Take as many as you like (greater Los Angeles area). However, units that are not spoken for, or haven't made other arrangements regarding, will go to the recycler this weekend. E-mail me offlist if you are interested. -- ------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com -- rm -rf /bin/laden ----------------------------------------------------------

8 years, 12 months

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Still Looking For AT&T 3B2 Internals Docs

by lists＠loomcom.com

Hello everyone, It's been about a year since I last asked around, so I figure it's time for me to put out another call for help. My AT&T 3B2 emulator sits unfinished due to lack of internals documentation. If you or anyone you know might have access to internals documents -- schematics, timing diagrams, etc. -- please let me know. These docs are very hard to find, and may never have been released by AT&T. Maybe you know a former AT&T engineer who managed to squirrel some away? I have many resources already, so I'm NOT looking for user manuals, SVR3 source code, or the IO Bus specification. These are pretty easily available online, and they've given me their all. Many thanks in advance, -Seth -- Seth Morabito web at loomcom.com

8 years, 12 months

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Atari 1400XL for sale...

by Craig.B.Mitchell＠zf.com

Hi, is your 1400xl still for sale? If so, what are you looking to get? Thanks for your time. Craig

8 years, 12 months

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HP 2647A BASIC/AUTOPLOT47 and DEMO tape preservation

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

smecc would like a tape also! neat! In a message dated 3/7/2017 1:08:12 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at classiccmp.org writes: Dave, I am interested. I have an HP 2647 with two restored tape drives, and have been looking for this exact tape set. I have some "new" Athana tapes. Step 1 would be to copy them to a new Athana master tape. Then step to could be to make copies available to the group. Step 3 would be to transfer them to an archive format, but in essence it's already been done by the hpmuseum (in 5.25" 2647 disc format, LIF I presume?). But I don't have that rare disc unit and interface card to connect it to the 2647 (if I had, I could indeed recreate the tapes). That said, I first need to work on step 0, which is lots of practicing recovering DC100 tapes reliably: baking them, changing the belt, cleaning the guides... Fortunately I have lots of DC100 tapes that I need to recover before touching yours. It might take me a couple month to get there. Contact me off list if you want. Marc > On Mar 6, 2017, at 1:12 PM, Dave via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > > Hello, > I have a couple of HP 2647A tapes: BASCI/AUTOPLOT47 and DEMO. They look to be in good condition. I have had them in a climate controlled lab since acquiring them as part of a sizeable lot of HP tapes last year. > I am curious if there are any known good copies of these tapes out there. Are these the same as (i.e., can be created from) the floppy images available on hpmuseum.net? > If these are not already archived, I would be interested in preserving them. I realize that reading tapes this old may be a "one-shot only" process, and I don't have the expertise or equipment to be able to archive these tapes. > Is there anyone on this list with the interest and ability to archive these tapes and make the images available to the community in a useful format? > Thanks, > Dave

8 years, 12 months

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Test

by witchy＠binarydinosaurs.co.uk

Ezwind? -- Adrian/Witchy Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator Www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UK's biggest private home computer collection?

8 years, 12 months

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HP 2647A BASIC/AUTOPLOT47 and DEMO tape preservation

by dfnr2＠yahoo.com

Hello, I have a couple of HP 2647A tapes:? BASCI/AUTOPLOT47 and DEMO.?? They look to be in good condition.? I have had them in a climate controlled lab since acquiring them as part of a sizeable lot of HP tapes last year. I am curious if there are any known good copies of these tapes out there.?? Are these the same as (i.e., can be created from) the floppy images available on hpmuseum.net? If these are not already archived, I would be interested in preserving them.? I realize that reading tapes this old may be a "one-shot only" process, and I don't have the expertise or equipment to be able to archive these tapes. Is there anyone on this list with the interest and ability to archive these tapes and make the images available to the community in a useful format? Thanks, Dave

8 years, 12 months

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Fluorescent lights (Was: Full immersion emulation)

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Paul Koning >>> terrible fluorescent lighting. >> There's another kind? :-) > in fact you can get LEDs that fit in fluorescent fixtures, either as is I've been looking for LED replacements, but I haven't seen them; I'd have thought that that would be a pretty popular item, but I haven't seen them in any local stores. Are they only available as an online option? > or (probably a better choice) with the ballast removed. Definitely - ballasts are such a pain. Actually, let me be more accurate: the ballasts in 4' (40W) lights (where they put the two bulbs in series) are a pain. The new ballasts for the 8' lights (a couple of decades back, in the US, regulations mandated a change) are actually a delight; you have to re-wire old fixtures a bit to install them (since the new ones no longer run the lights in series), but the upside is that 8' bulbs now either work - or don't. This is distinctly unlike the 4' ones, where bulb X will work when paired with bulb Y, but not when paired with bulb Z. (Because 40W bulbs are wired in series pairs, and as they age, their characteristics change.) I don't suppose there are ballasts for 40W bulbs that _don't_ wire them in series? Noel

8 years, 12 months

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Data General MTB Reference Sought

by steve＠stephenmerrony.co.uk

Does anyone have (a scan of) a manual that covers programming the MV-era MTB tape controller? I have a 1980 "Peripherals" manual (014-000632-01) from the "Programmer's Reference Series" which covers the MTA type, but it seems that the MTB behaves a bit differently and I am missing some information for my current project. Thanks, Steve -- /Stephen Merrony Email: steve at stephenmerrony.co.uk http://www.stephenmerrony.co.uk/dg/

8 years, 12 months

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Test

by tdk.knight＠gmail.com

Hmm On Mar 6, 2017 6:37 PM, "Ed via cctalk" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: I see it! Ed# In a message dated 3/6/2017 5:18:52 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at classiccmp.org writes: Test again, None of my posts seem to be getting through... On 28/02/2017 00:35, "Jay West" <jwest at classiccmp.org> wrote: > Test received ;) > > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Adrian > Graham > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 6:34 PM > To: Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Test > > Ezwind? > -- > Adrian/Witchy > Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator > Www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UK's biggest private home computer > collection? > > >

8 years, 12 months

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Test

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

I see it! Ed# In a message dated 3/6/2017 5:18:52 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at classiccmp.org writes: Test again, None of my posts seem to be getting through... On 28/02/2017 00:35, "Jay West" <jwest at classiccmp.org> wrote: > Test received ;) > > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Adrian > Graham > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 6:34 PM > To: Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Test > > Ezwind? > -- > Adrian/Witchy > Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator > Www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UK's biggest private home computer > collection? > > >

8 years, 12 months

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FTGH (you come get): VAXstation 100 terminals

by cctalk＠ibm51xx.net

You snatch two - 1 for now and 1 for backup :). Plus it is in your neck of the woods or dessert to be more accurate. . -------- Original message -------- From: "Mark J. Blair via cctalk" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Date: 3/6/17 8:18 AM (GMT-08:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: FTGH (you come get): VAXstation 100 terminals Ugh, this leaves me feeling so conflicted. One or more of these rigs sounds so tempting, but both my house and my 11/730's Unibus cage are full. Do I stash one in one of my sea containers in the hope that someday find time to let it timeshare a desk in my house, and also find a place to plug it in? Or do I do the sane thing, and pretend I never saw this posting? :) -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X <nf6x at nf6x.net> http://www.nf6x.net/

8 years, 12 months

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UNIBUS RK611 (RK06/RK07) controller available

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

So I have a complete RK611 (backplane and boards, no cables, sorry). I doubt very much I'm ever going to have any RK07's to use it with, so it's available if anyone has a use for it. It seems to be in reasonably good condition, but I have no idea if it's working or not. Noel

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I hate the new mail system

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Christian Corti > My complaint ... is, that if you reply to a message on the list, the > author of that message gets a private mail, too, as he is listed in the > Reply-To:-field. This is *wrong* and must be corrected (i.e. removed)! Good grief. Just about every email from every mailing list I'm on which I reply to, I have to manually remove additional addresses from the reply. It takes about one second. Just deal with it. Noel

8 years, 12 months

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Another batch of tapes, 9845C, Tek 4051, VAX, Tek Misc

by pete＠petelancashire.com

https://goo.gl/photos/nTH55jvTqC9Mc2Uq8 Many of the DC300 size carts have broken bands. and a Tek 4041 PROM tray. -pete

8 years, 12 months

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Model 16 Keyboards

by bill.gunshannon＠hotmail.com

I have a pair of Model 16 Keyboards for sale. If interested make an offer. Allow at least $10 additional for Priority Mail with the USPS. bill

8 years, 12 months

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PDP-11/34 rails?

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Josh Dersch > I'm looking to rack up my PDP-11/34 so I can get it off my bench. I'd > like to track down something similar to (if not exactly) the original > rackmount rails (the ones that allow the chassis to pivot 90 degrees I'm not the sure BA11-K (10-1/2" box) mounted 11/34's could do the rotate thing; the last 10-1/2" one that could was, IIRC, the 11/05. (I don't think any of the 5-1/4" boxes could rotate.) The BA11-K had that incredibly heavy H765 power supply, maybe it was too heavy to safely rotate? > I'm not sure what the original part number or manufacturer was. Anyone > have this information handy? Anyway, I've seen BA11-K boxes with several different kind of mounting slides. The tall, grey-coated ones are made by Chassis Trak, a division of General Devices of Indianapolis. The 4 I looked at, all idential looking (except for handedness), all had different numbers on the CT sticker, so I don't know what the model number is! This one says '060RH'. I've also seen BA11-K's with narrower (height-wise) slides, in some sort of bright metal finish. I don't know who made those. GD is still in business; I looked on their web site and found similar slides. I didn't order any because they were kind fairly pricy. BTW, does anyone know that they grey coating is? Is it some sort of phosphate plating, or perhaps some sort of early powder coat, or what? Mine are rusty, and I'd like to blast them and get them re-coated, but I can't figure out what that coating is. Noel

8 years, 12 months

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Rack-mounting a TU56

by ard.p850ug1＠gmail.com

I have been given an H960 rack :-). I intend to use it for my PDP8/e system (currently piled up, not connected), which consists of the : PDP8/e processor, Full of cards, memory extension, EAE, 32KW core, boot diode matrix ROM, RK8e, RD8e, RX8e, PC8e, etc. PC04 paper tape punch/reader (acutally, I converted a PC05, but that doesn't matter here) RK05 (well, there's an RK8e in the backplane and I have a spare RK05 so I might as well use it) RX01 TU56 (single drive version, ths is not a TU55 as some have suggested!). Various PSUs and step-down transformer for the TU56 and PC04 I think I have the right slide rails for the first 4 units too... Anyway, does anyone have experience of rack-mounting a TU56? It clearly doesn't go on slide rails, it bolts directly to the rack (hinge down the front panel for access). I have the manuals from Bitsavers, they imply there is some kind of spacer block that goes under the TU56. Does anyone know what that is exactly so I can attempt to make one if it is needed. -tony

8 years, 12 months

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WTB HP 98036A serial I/O card

by pdaguytom＠gmail.com

I recently acquired a HP 9825 and have a project planned that will need serial i/o. If anyone has one of these interfaces they'd care to sell, I would be interested in visiting about it. Thanks, Tom

8 years, 12 months

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What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own?

by rickb＠bensene.com

A selection of some of my more unusual computer-related stuff: - A Tektronix 4132 Unix workstation using a National 32016 CPU and a 4.2bsd port called UTek - A Digital Equipment PDP 8/e system with 2 RK05 drives, high speed paper tape reader/punch, RX01 Dual 8" floppy drives, 16K of DEC core memory(commonly runs with a 32K NVRAM board), 2 serial ports, EAE, RTC, Memory Extension/Timeshare board, Diode boot board (RK05 boot) - Wang 300-series calculator field service parts kit (two wooden briefcases) - Friden 6010 Computyper Diagnostic Console - Friden Electronics Training Course manuals (1960s) - Wyle Laboratories WS-02 punched card programmable electronic calculator (1964) - Busicom 207 punched card programmable electronic calculator - Altair 8800 with Altair dual 8" disk drives - IMSAI 8080 kit built in high school as a school project in 1976/1977 - Televideo Personal Terminal - GE transistorised current loop acoustic coupler modem (110 baud) - Hewlett Packard 9100A and 9100B programmable electronic calculators - Tektronix mini-Board Bucket computer and many boards for it (EPROM Blaster, TI TMS9918-Based Video Board w/RTC, SASI Interface, 6809 CPU, 6809 ICE CPU. 32K Static and 64K Dynamic RAM Boards, 300-Baud Modem Board, 5 1/4" Floppy Controller - SWTPC TV Typewriter - A large format (4'x5') Summagraphics digitizing tablet with GPIB interface - A Tektronix 4052 desktop computer (bit-slice implementation of Motorola 6800 CPU) with very rare RAM Disk module installed under keyboard - Wang Laboratories dual-cassette drive for 700 series calculator - An old fluorescent-lighted, two sided sign advertising Denon electronic calculators - Some original Digital Equipment System Modules (Used by DEC for making some of their early computers) --- Rick Bensene The Old Calculator Museum http://oldcalculatormuseum.com

8 years, 12 months

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PDP-11/34 rails?

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Pete Turnbull >> I'm not the sure BA11-K (10-1/2" box) mounted 11/34's could do the >> rotate thing > The two I've had .. both rotated. Ah, right you are - brain fade, late at night. I went looking in my BA11-K collection, and found a couple that do have the rotate - the part that bolts to the box has a huge 3/4 circular plate, and a metal strip that runs to the front of the box with a huge (~3") handle bar at the front, which releases it to turn. I have this bit set that the outer slides (the parts that bolt to the 19" rack) are the same for the rotating inners, and the non-rotating ones (as used on, e.g., the RK05 and the BA11-F). > I've also seen BA11-K's with narrower (height-wise) slides, in some > sort of bright metal finish. I don't know who made those. I went and had a look at some, but there is no name, or number, anywhere on them. BTW, these also rotate. Noel

8 years, 12 months

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Cromemco on Craigslist in Vermont

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

Cromemco on Craigslist on Vermont/ https://vermont.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=cromemco&sort=rel Victor 9000 in New Hampshire: https://nh.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=victor%209000&sort=rel Atari Mega ST in RI: https://providence.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=atari%20mega&sort=rel

8 years, 12 months

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2 more tapes Tek 4300

by pete＠petelancashire.com

https://goo.gl/photos/vogHGNSzsQrEeapA7

8 years, 12 months

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2nd batch of QIC tapes

by pete＠petelancashire.com

https://goo.gl/photos/UXzDPo8WGVFNr1mA6 10 cartridges this time, all for SUN -pete

8 years, 12 months

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PDP-11/34 rails?

by derschjo＠gmail.com

Hi all -- I'm looking to rack up my PDP-11/34 so I can get it off my bench. I'd like to track down something similar to (if not exactly) the original rackmount rails (the ones that allow the chassis to pivot 90 degrees so you can deal with the backplane easily), but I'm not sure what the original part number or manufacturer was. Anyone have this information handy? Better yet, anyone have a spare set of rails handy? Thanks as always, Josh

8 years, 12 months

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Help needed for Unix anniversary in 2019

by wkt＠tuhs.org

Hi all, some of you may know me as the guy who runs the Unix Heritage Society and the archive of old Unix systems: https://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tuhs, http://www.tuhs.org and http://www.tuhs.org/Archive Mid-year 2019 is the 50th anniversary of the creation of Unix and I've been quietly agitating for something to be done to celebrate this. Up to now, there's been little response. The original Unix user's group, Usenix, will hold its Annual Technical Conference on the west coast of the US at this time, so it would make sense to do something in conjunction with this conference. Some suggestions: - a terminal room with a bunch of period terminals: ASR-33s, -37s, VT100s, VT102s, VT220s - these connected to emulated Unix systems either locally or via a terminal server and telnet to remotely emulated systems - some graphical terminals: Sun pizza boxes, a Blit would be great - if possible, some actual real PDP-11s, VAXen - emulated systems: V1 to V7 Unix, 32V, the BSDs etc. In fact there are plenty of Unix versions that we could run in emulated mode. - Unix of course was one of the systems used to implement the Arpanet protcols, so it would be interesting to get some of the real/emulated systems networked together - how about an emulated UUCP network with Usenet on top of it, and some mail/news clients on the emulated systems. - retro workshops/tutorials: how to edit with ed, using nroff, posting a Usenet article, dealing with bang paths. I'm proposing to gather a bunch of people to start the ball rolling on the technical/demonstration side. We'd need people: - with terminals, portable PDP-11s and VAXen, Sun boxen - prepared to set up emulated systems - who can help bring the networking (UUCP, Usenet, Arpanet) back to life - willing to write and run workshops that show off this old technology - to help set up terminal servers and all the RS-232 to telnet stuff Some of this we can start doing now, e.g. rebuild an emulated Arpanet, UUCP, Usenet, get emulated systems up, build front-end telnet interfaces. Is there anybody willing to sign up for this? I think once we have some momentum, we can tell the Usenix people and get some buy-in from them. Post back and/or e-mail me if you can help. Thanks, Warren

8 years, 12 months

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Compaq Portable 286 and Portable III - IDE drives?

by jules.richardson99＠gmail.com

Just checking here, as someone told me that this is the case, but do the Compaq Portable 286 and Portable III take stock 40-pin IDE hard drives? I just wanted to make sure that they weren't expecting something that might be a bit non-standard before I go trying to find modern replacements for a pair of failing disks. Assuming that an enormous modern(ish) drive is OK, are there any other gotchas involved in configuration and formatting? Obviously I don't need a partition bigger than a few tens of MB, but perhaps there are things to keep in mind when fitting a drive that's most likely to be getting on for a thousand times the capacity of the original. cheers Jules

8 years, 12 months

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Model 16 board set

by bill.gunshannon＠hotmail.com

I have a set of boards from an original Tandy Model 16 (long before the 6000) Worked when removed from a system with a dead CRT but has been sitting around for more than 10 years and I have no way to test them. Make an offer and let's see if we can keep them out of the landfill. Plan on probably $10 for Priority Mail. bill

8 years, 12 months

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Model II Technical Reference Manual

by bill.gunshannon＠hotmail.com

I have a Tandy Model II Technical Reference Manual available for sale. It is in one of those clunky brown Tandy binders so it will not fit in a Priority Mail Envelope so will need to go in a box. I figure $30 will cover it all nicely. Anybody interested? bill

8 years, 12 months

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Digital "we C.A.R.E."

by earl＠retrobits.com

Hi all. I'm hoping you can help me solve a minor mystery. I have a magnet with the DIGITAL logo, and underneath the logo, it says "we C.A.R.E.". I have no idea what that means, and Google searches have not helped. I'm assuming it's some sort of service or technical assistance program? Anyone heard of it? Thanks! - Earl

8 years, 12 months

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Binary keypad front panel

by wilson＠dbit.com

I made this as a joke, but also as a simple test device for a NatInst PCI-DIO-96 GPIO card I was writing a driver for: https://www.facebook.com/john.m.b.wilson/videos/10212562451077947/ It occurred to me that lots of old machines had binary front panels (switches and lights) and lots of machines had keypad front panels (octal or hex, with 7-segment LEDs), but I'd never seen a binary keypad front panel. Plus I wanted to experiment with Cherry MX keyswitches, and try out wasdkeyboards's custom keycaps (but they're $7/ea so I didn't want to try anything too big the first time). That plus two 74LS132s, four 74LS240s, and two 74LS273s, discrete stuff and cabling, and a PCI-DIO-96 that was $25 on eBay, and it works. "set dr dio96:" in the DOS and stand-alone versions of E11 V7.3 makes it (or anyone else's homemade doohicky) appear at 777570 as usual (or you can add "set dr r0" to get the R0-during-WAIT display like on a PDP-11/70 -- whatever your OS's NULJOB uses). I'd give Gerbers to anyone who cares but really it's just a dumb joke. Fun one though. John Wilson D Bit

8 years, 12 months

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IBM S/32, PDP-11/60+RL01, PDP-11/34, East Lansing MI

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Dan Cohoe dancohoe at oxford.net > I'll put my hand up on this. It sounds like you got everything that was left? Enjoy the -11/60, they are pretty rare! Noel

8 years, 12 months

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PDP-11/60+RL01 Recovery (was: Re: IBM S/32, PDP-11/60+RL01, PDP-11/34, East Lansing MI)

by pbirkel＠gmail.com

-----Original Message----- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Dan Cohoe via cctalk Sent: Friday, March 03, 2017 10:45 PM To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' Subject: RE: IBM S/32, PDP-11/60+RL01, PDP-11/34, East Lansing MI -----Original Message----- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Steven Maresca via cctalk Sent: Friday, March 03, 2017 11:59 AM To: Noel Chiappa; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: IBM S/32, PDP-11/60+RL01, PDP-11/34, East Lansing MI On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk < cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > > Is anyone confirmed to be picking this stuff up? I'll put my hand up on this. ..... The 11/60 processor was stored in better conditions and consists of two BA11 style boxes. ..... Regards, Dan ----- Can you share with us the complement of modules installed in the two BA11-P? I'm curious as to how "stock" the configuration was. Thanks, paul

8 years, 12 months

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Clock program for COSMAC Elf microcomputer with PIXIE graphics

by spacewar＠gmail.com

I've written a clock program to run on an unexpanded Elf with PIXIE graphics. It proved to be quite a challenge to fit it into 256 bytes, but I've now got it working, with two bytes of RAM to spare. There are 12-hour and 24-hour versions. I've released it under the GPL 3.0 license. The source code is in a github repository: https://github.com/brouhaha/elf-clock A text file containing instructions and hexadecimal object code is at: https://github.com/brouhaha/elf-clock/releases/download/v0.1/elf-clock-v0.1…

8 years, 12 months

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Cekit 8085 micro trainer

by jules.richardson99＠gmail.com

I picked up a Cekit 8085 microprocessor trainer last weekend, model MT-01. Google seems to be of no help - has anyone else here got one of these? There's nothing really specific that I wanted to know, but it's just odd that there seems to be no info out there at all about it. Some of the writing on the PCBs is in Spanish, and it says on the back that it was made by Cekit for EKI - but throwing that into the Google pot doesn't appear to be of any help. I'm not even sure how old it is. The CPU, I/O chip and some of the logic is dated 1983/84, but then there are a handful of Goldstar 74LSxx ICs with 90xx codes on them. It may be that Goldstar just didn't follow date code conventions, or it's quite possible that it really is that recent (and some of the ICs just came from much older stock). cheers Jules

8 years, 12 months

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IBM S/32, PDP-11/60+RL01, PDP-11/34, East Lansing MI

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> Is anyone confirmed to be picking this stuff up? I sent the person an email, never heard back. Ditto for one of the people here who said they'd sent the person an email - I sent them an email, asking if they'd heard back, never got an answer from them either. Noel

8 years, 12 months

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DEC VT30-H and VTV30-J, was VSV11

by ed＠groenenberg.net

Henk, Your 'XXXX' high speed lineprinter is most likely a Dataproducts Model 2230 (a.k.a Dec LP05). Regards, Ed -- Ik email, dus ik besta. BTC : 1Lk6141nvDKPxtCa5erfFyovsoJN2LKqNJ

8 years, 12 months

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IBM S/32, PDP-11/60+RL01, PDP-11/34, East Lansing MI

by ljw-cctech＠ljw.me.uk

Via Mike Ross, but contact Greg with any questions! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Greg Bebermeyer" <bebergee at gmail.com> Date: Feb 27, 2017 4:44 AM Subject: IBM System/32 - web response To: <mike at corestore.org> Cc: Hi Mike, Maybe this is no longer relevant since I can't tell from the web page how recent the post is... I am selling my house and in the back of the garage is a complete System/32 that was working when I stuck it there and covered it. Much other stuff is in front of it so I haven't seen it in a while. It's free for the taking to anyone willing to come to East Lansing, Michigan and pick it up. If you aren't interested then it'll just go to the scrappers because I need to get the place ready for inspection. The junk haulers should uncover it in a day or two at which point I could take pictures. I also have a PDP-11/60, if you know of anyone interested. Same deal - free, come pick it up. The 11/60 main box has been stored in a dry basement along with two RL01 disk drives (in free standing cabinets, not rack mounted) along with a box of flat interconnect cables. It was used in a cardiac unit to run heart monitors and has an extra card cage full of interface cards. Also there's 3 PDP-11/34s in a rack in the garage as well. All this stuff has to go in about a week to 10 days, unless arrangements/promises are made and kept. If you're interested in any of this stuff, or could refer me to someone who might be, I would love for this stuff to go to a good home. Yup, I started with FORTRAN and 80-column punch cards. Thanks. My best, -Greg Bebermeyer bebergee at gmail.com greg.bebermeyer at gmail.com -- Lawrence Wilkinson lawrence at ljw.me.uk The IBM 360/30 page http://www.ljw.me.uk/ibm360

9 years

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Able board on eBay

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> It's one part of a DMAX/16. Oooh, good catch. I hadn't looked carefully at those faint images, I was just looking at the brochure which had the separate images. > Not nearly as cool as an Enable :). Yes; the ENABLE was pretty clever: it used an MUD backplane as an EUB backplane, to hold the ENABLE and stock EUB memory cards; both the CPU _and_ DMA devices were on the incoming UNIBUS, and the ENABLE could tell whether a read-write cycle was from the CPU, or a DMA device (if you look at the UNIBUS spec, there's just enough to do that, even without being able to see NPG), and routed it through the appropriate mapping, depending. Noel

9 years

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Able board on eBay

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

So there was an odd board from Able up on eBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/311809552775 Anyone know what it was? From the Able product summary it looked a bit like an Interlink/U or perhaps an Enable - although the detailed chip layout didn't look like the illustrations of either. Anyone know? Also, speaking of the Able ENABLE, I've recently discovered more about it, and now understand pretty much how it works. Noel

9 years

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DEC VT30-H and VTV30-J, was VSV11

by henk.gooijen＠hotmail.com

Oops, typo ? I missed one folder. The correct links are www.pdp-11.nl/peripherals/comm/interface/vsv11/vsv11-info.html<http://www.pdp-11.nl/peripherals/comm/interface/vsv11/vsv11-info.html> www.pdp-11.nl/peripherals/comm/interface/vt30h/vt30h-info.html<http://www.pdp-11.nl/peripherals/comm/interface/vt30h/vt30h-info.html> While ?promoting?, I also added a page for the RP03 www.pdp-11.nl/peripherals/disk/rp11-rp03/rp11-rp03.html<http://www.pdp-11.nl/peripherals/disk/rp11-rp03/rp11-rp03.html> It will be some time before pictures of the system and more info will land here. I am re-organizing my 2250 square feet ? but not yet clear how everything will be placed. Van: Paul Birkel<mailto:pbirkel at gmail.com> Verzonden: vrijdag 3 maart 2017 11:45 Aan: 'Henk Gooijen'<mailto:henk.gooijen at hotmail.com> Onderwerp: RE: DEC VT30-H and VTV30-J, was VSV11 Henk: In case you haven't noticed, neither of those URLs are yet active :-<. To Your Good Health! -----Original Message----- From: cctech [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Henk Gooijen via cctech Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 3:58 PM To: shadoooo; General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Subject: RE: DEC VT30-H and VTV30-J, was VSV11 Well, I did scribble a bit about the VT30 and VSV11 on my website . Check out www.pdp-11.nl/peripherals/comm/vsv11/vsv11-info.html<http://www.pdp-11.nl/peripherals/comm/vsv11/vsv11-info.html> www.pdp-11.nl/peripherals/comm/vt30h/vt30h-info.html<http://www.pdp-11.nl/peripherals/comm/vt30h/vt30h-info.html> Van: shadoooo via cctech<mailto:cctech at classiccmp.org> Verzonden: donderdag 2 maart 2017 19:12 Aan: cctech at classiccmp.org<mailto:cctech at classiccmp.org> Onderwerp: Re: DEC VT30-H and VTV30-J, was VSV11 Well, it would be a very nice thing to put the hands on a copy of such manual! :) Given that I didn't find ANY information on Google about these boards, except for the bare description in the PDP11 field guide, it would be very nice to archive a copy on bitsavers too... If you manage to find something, please let me know thanks Andrea >I've got a photocopied user's manual in this mess somewhere (used for the "VR:" VT30 emulation in E11).

9 years

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DEC VT30-H and VTV30-J, was VSV11

by shadoooo＠gmail.com

Well, it would be a very nice thing to put the hands on a copy of such manual! :) Given that I didn't find ANY information on Google about these boards, except for the bare description in the PDP11 field guide, it would be very nice to archive a copy on bitsavers too... If you manage to find something, please let me know thanks Andrea >I've got a photocopied user's manual in this mess somewhere (used for the "VR:" VT30 emulation in E11).

9 years

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ViaNet?

by silent700＠gmail.com

I recently ran across a manual and disks for a PC networking product called ViaNet. It was marketed by Western Digital and targeted toward Arcnet, although it looks like it worked with Ethernet and other topologies. There isn't a lot of info out there about it but there are a few pieces in the old trade mags on Google Books. It was peer-to-peer between PCs, but there was also a UNIX host server product for it. Anyone ever worked with it? I scanned the manuals and posted them here: http://chiclassiccomp.org/docs/index.php?dir=%2Fcomputing/WesternDigital And the disk images are here: http://nocarrier.net/archive/floppy_images/PC/WesternDigital/ -j

9 years

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Heathkit tube checker available

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Mouse > Might be nice to say where it is geographically. Yorktown, Virginia, U.S.A. Noel

9 years

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Heathkit tube checker available

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

Hi, all, I have a Heathkit TC-3 tube checker, including manual and prints, available. Image here: http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/jpg/tmp/TubeChecker.jpg It has been modified with an after-market Coletronics panel with a bunch of additional tube bases. Condition is unknown; it probably hasn't been powered on in some years. It was in my wife's father's basement, so it was in a cool, dry space, at least. I know this isn't the best list for this, but I'm not on those lists; can people here who are, please forward it to those lists? Any interest, reply to me only, please - no need to litter the list! Noel

9 years

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huge thank you

by suea.pac＠gmail.com

Hi: Just a quick note to thank the cc forum for providing a platform to publicize our needs in an (nostalgic?) attempt to re-create a Data General Eclipse and Nova environment that we used for a number of years, over 40 years ago, in what I thought might well be a fruitless endeavor. Were it not for this forum, and in particular the generous assistance of Mr.Jay Jaeger of Wisconsin, the project would have never gotten off the ground. As it is, progress is now in store! Gratefully, Roger H. Anderson Endwell NY

9 years

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Reading an ICT/ICL EDS8 (?) Disk Pack

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

I have been on the lookout for software for an emulator of MU5 that I am building. Manchester University has found a disk pack that is promisingly labelled. The disk pack has been provisionally identified as an ICL EDS8, apparently compatible with an IBM 2311 and with the mechanical assembly based on a CDC 9450. The University has asked The National Museum of Computing (TNMOC) is they have a drive that could read this disk pack, but it seems that although they have such a drive, they have no plans to restore it. Does anyone know of a working drive that might be able to read this pack? Regards Rob

9 years

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DEC VT30-H and VTV30-J, was VSV11

by shadoooo＠gmail.com

Hello, given recent posts about Unibus graphic systems, I'm coming back with a request: was anyone some documentation about board sets VT30-H and VTV30-J? They should be graphic systems as well, the former Unibus, the latter Qbus. Definitely I think they aren't "regular" DEC products, maybe they were developed by third parties, as the PCB realization and style is far from DEC boards. I think they are really hard to find parts, would like to try to do something with it. Thanks Andrea

9 years

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Cassette Interface Assistance

by brain＠jbrain.com

Analog, which is my nemesis, curses me again. I have a cute idea for a cassette port project for the Tandy line of computers (the ones with the cassette port). I have a Coco 3 on the bench, so I scoped the output line while doing 'csave "jim"'. The signal looks to be just under 1V PtP (0-1V on the scope), and rests at about .3V when not sending data. I have tried 6 different ways to boost the signal to 5V digital, to no avail, and so I ask humbly if someone with analog knowledge might be able to assist. I first tried to boost the signal with a transistor (with variations using a N channel FET as well). Arguably, that was foolhardy, and it did not work. My second attempt was based on this link that was shared with me: http://labs.rakettitiede.com/12kbps-simple-audio-data-transfer-for-avr/ The output from the Coco3 does not appear to be "loud" enough to work with this circuit. So, I finally decided a comparator solution would be required. First, I tried a design using a 741 op-amp, which failed miserably, but probably would have worked, but I tried to merge the design from the Coco1, and replace the LM339 in the Coco 1 design with the 741, and I feel I did not merge the designs well :-) I then tried using the comparator in an Atmel AVR, and had minimal success. By biasing one input via a variable resistor to around .8V, I was able to get a digital stream, but it did not look like the data stream of the cassette format. I then pried an LM339 out of my Coco1 and replicated the circuit int the Coco 1, as noted in the tech manual: Color Computer Technical Reference Manual (Tandy).pdf <http://www.colorcomputerarchive.com/coco/Documents/Manuals/Hardware/Color%2…> I was shocked that I had no success with that design at all. I assumed (wrongly, it appears) that the Coco cassette input circuit would read the output of it's output circuit. Beyond the possibility that my components are defective or I wired it up wrongly, I can only theorize that Tandy assumed that all tape recorders would AGC the output and then feed a 2V PtP signal back to the Coco (the Coco 1 circuit looks to bias the comparator at 1.05V (not sure about the feedback resistor's impact)) I can fiddle around with the AVR solution, which might work if I can smooth out the spikes and bias the comparator right, but it just bothers me that the Coco 1 circuit does not work, as I assumed I would at least have success by copying a working design. Jim -- Jim Brain brain at jbrain.com www.jbrain.com

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