??Many of the classic Rocker & Lever Actuator switches from the 1960s & 1970s were discontinued, due to industry consolidation (M&A) in 1990s and the convert or obsolete decisions (RoHS compliance), a decade later.
This likely means you will need to ?adopt? to current offerings == OR ==
plow through remaining discontinued surplus parts.
For example, Mendelsons only lists about 5% of their Dayton warehouse inventory.
https://meci.com/electronics/parts/switches/rocker.html
==
These Large Actuators are sometimes referred to as Wide Paddles.
C&K refers to this PC board mounting as the V3 Style, VERTICAL MOUNT, V-BRACKET
It is still offered for the C&K ?T-series? Subminiature Toggle Switches.
https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/60/ttoggle-1324393.pdf
C&K Selector Guide (current production models)
http://www1.futureelectronics.com/doc/C%20-%20K%20COMPONENTS/D102J12S115DQA…
NKK (Japan) refers to this mounting style as Bracket & Reinforced Bracket for their ?M-series? Miniature Rocker Switches.
You purchase the Actuators separately, for the pivot ? like your example.
https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/295/MrockersSnapin-29723.pdf
gb
===
From: "Charles" <xxxx at centurytel.net>
To: "cctalk digest" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Looking for front panel switch
At some earlier time, I'd either lost (or cannibalized for a PDP-8)
one of the switches. Subminiature SPDT toggle switches are readily available
>from C&K and Mountain, but I cannot find one with the four-pin mounting
bracket and the "ears" to hold the paddle lever pivots. Attached is a
picture showing part of the front panel.
https://imgur.com/bIrmZt7
Does anyone have a matching switch they're not using?
I have a spare black lever, but it's supposed to be blue for that nibble which would be even better ;)
Thanks for any help.
==
> https://www.tedss.com/MT-SPDT-7101
Thanks :) It's only slightly different (the mounting pins look to be a bit
closer together than my switches dated 1975, but I can drill a couple holes
in the PC board, and swap my matching lever onto it.)
Certainly a lot closer than the totally non-matching chrome bat handle unit
I stuck in there for now!
-Charles
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This is my first of many posts that I will make about this sale.
I am liquidating a large warehouse filled with vintage computers including
Apple, DEC, IBM, Commodore, Tandy/Radio Shack, HP, and more. Many items are
currently inaccessible due to large piles of junk and video games.
So far, I have found:
Apple Lisa 2
Tandy 6000 HD
IBM 5251 Keyboard
MicroVAX 3900 (currently inaccessible)
MicroVAX II (currently inaccessible)
Cromemco System One
Ohio Scientific Challenger 2p
Lots of Apple II series
IBM 5110
Piles of VT100s
Even more VT220, VT320
Northstar Advantage
Osborne 1
Various Kaypros
PC clones
Commodore B-Series
Just about every kind of TRS-80
IBM XT with monitor in box
NeXT cube
Almost every type of Macintosh
Amigas
IBM PS/2 P70
HP 3000 (inaccessible)
1970s HP computers
Boxes filled with Cromemco and Northstar manuals
A pallet of 1980s PC clones (inaccessible)
Heaps of CRT monitors
Mechanical Keyboards
At least 20 Apple Extended Keyboard II's
I have barely scratched the surface of the warehouse, and will keep you
updated when I find more items, or am able to move the large systems.
The DEC terminals are not yet for sale, since I have not yet found the
keyboards.
I am not taking offers on the entire warehouse at this time.
Please feel free to text me with questions
Thomas Raguso
(832) 374-2803
> From: Christian Corti
>> we only have those for the UNIVERTER and QNIVERTER
> And what about the stuff on bitsavers?
That's where I got my copies of the UNIVERTER and QNIVERTER docs. I guess I
missed grabbing a few; and I see a few more have been added since I last
looked:
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/able/
So we also have the Quadrasync, DH/DM, MICROVERTER and UNIMAP. There are
still quite a few missing, though...
Noel
This fall I decided to restore my first homebrewed computer that I made
40(!) years ago and still have... a 2 MHz 8080A, 1K of static RAM, a 1702A
(256 byte) EPROM, cobbled up an S-100 connector for a VB-1B video card, an
8-bit I/O port that used an EBCDIC keyboard (ASCII translation table in the
EPROM), and of course a hand-made front panel PC board with blinkenlights &
switches. I had a good time learning assembly language (and
hand-assembling)... I also toggled in WADUZITDO once or twice. That's a
functional interpreted language in 256 bytes plus char in/out routine, for
the youngsters ;)
I sold the VB-1B years ago, and can't find the keyboard which got lost in a
move years ago. So if I want to play with small 8080 programs, I'll need to
add a UART (and redo the primitive monitor program for serial I/O instead of
memory-mapped display). Recently I bought one of Martin Eberhard's ME-1702A
boards with pre-programmed PIC, acquired all the parts from junkbox and
Mouser, and just got THAT working. Surprisingly enough, the monitor seems to
still have all the right bits after 40 years.
Anyway. At some earlier time, I'd either lost (or cannibalized for a PDP-8)
one of the switches. Subminiature SPDT toggle switches are readily available
>from C&K and Mountain, but I cannot find one with the four-pin mounting
bracket and the "ears" to hold the paddle lever pivots. Attached is a
picture showing part of the front panel.
https://imgur.com/bIrmZt7
Does anyone have a matching switch they're not using? I have a spare black
lever, but it's supposed to be blue for that nibble which would be even
better ;)
Thanks for any help.
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> From: Eric Smith
> Code can be executed from the MMU PAR registers on processors with
> 22-bit addressing (11/23, 11/24, 11/44, 11/70, and J-11 based systems).
My QBUS machine is apart at the moment, so I can't verify this before
posting, but I don't think this hack works on the J-11 machines; I
documented this behaviour here:
http://gunkies.org/wiki/KDJ11_CPUs#Code_in_PARs
It does work with F-11 processors (/23, etc). Not sure about model A
F-11's, which only have 18-bit QBUS addressing.
Noel
I have a sizable quantity or tooling for sale or trade including :
circular blades, mostly Levin, 1 1/4 d, 1/4 arbor from .008 to 03 and
probably others.
drill bits- Levin. 13mm, .0028" etc.and 15 tubes only some labeled, B & D,
Cleveland decimal sets, Precision twist and other companies sizes 60
through over 100 or so..
Morris taps and dies, 0-80 through 0000-160, about 20 sizes.
Most are new, but a few might be used.
If you have any interest, contact me off list.
If there enough interest I'll try to make a detailed list. They
are a pain for me to work with, but cheap to ship.
I also have larger size taps, die , and bits up to 1 1/2 or so, I think a
#3 or #4 Morse taper
Thanks, Paul
The first implementation was done for the 7090 by McCarthy (hence CAR and
CDR --- Contents of Address Register and Contents of Decrement Register).
If you want to see a tiny implementation then look for the PDP-1
implementation done by L Peter Deutsch. There's a book chapter and then I
found this report:
http://s3data.computerhistory.org/pdp-1/DEC.pdp_1.1964.102650371.pdf
Hi,
Jon wrote:
> I have 15 pieces of memory SIMMs for the Challenge M series
> (funny, seems like there should be an even #). Pics here :
>
> http://pico-systems.com/images/SGIChallenge.JPG
A Challenge M is basically a server variant of an Indigo2.
What you have looks like memory for a Challenge L or Onyx.
Dennis
"Spectre" is one of two notorious bugs of modern CPUs involving speculative execution. I rather doubt that VAX is affected by this but I suspect others here have a lot more knowledge.
paul
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: coypu at sdf.org
> Subject: VAX + Spectre
> Date: September 17, 2019 at 5:32:42 AM EDT
> To: port-vax at netbsd.org
>
> So, this is a bug report:
> https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=86811
>
> GCC would like to know if VAX needs Spectre-related work.
> Are any of the VAXes ever made capable of speculative execution? the
> first tech for doing it was in 1967, so not entirely far-fetched.
I have a Naked Mini, where are you located?
I couldn't see your images.. not sure if my vcfed account is still good.
So I don't know what you have.
/P
On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 09:31:09AM +0000, Roland via cctech wrote:
> Hello,
> I was wondering if anyone has a Computer Automation Naked Mini.
> I have these boards and I have no clue what to do with it. So if anyoneis interested please let me know. Pictures are in this vcfed topic:
> http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?68302-Computer-Automation-Naked-M… interested in swap with omnibus material...
>
> Regards, Roland
I have two Naked Minis, possible unused, That I would love to find a home
for.
On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 4:31 AM Roland via cctech <cctech at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
> Hello,
> I was wondering if anyone has a Computer Automation Naked Mini.
> I have these boards and I have no clue what to do with it. So if anyoneis
> interested please let me know. Pictures are in this vcfed topic:
>
> http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?68302-Computer-Automation-Naked-M…
> interested in swap with omnibus material...
>
> Regards, Roland
>
Correction!? IBM 704!Jack-----------------------------------------------------Jack HarperSecure Outcomes Inc2942 Evergreen ParkwaySuite 300Evergreen, Colorado 80439303.670.8375 Officewww.secureoutcomesinc.com for Product Info.
-------- Original message --------From: Jack Harper <harper at secureoutcomes-hq.com> Date: 10/2/19 13:36 (GMT-07:00) To: Lars Brinkhoff <lars at nocrew.org>, "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>, Bill Degnan via cctech <cctech at classiccmp.org> Cc: Bill Degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com> Subject: Re: LISP implementations on small machines Hello List -That jives with a conversation I had with John McCarthy before he died.He said that he and friends began the LISP 1.5 (really 1.0) implementation on the IBM 709 - and we both agreed that the idea of LISP running in an enormous pile of vacuum tubes was and is amazing:)Jack-----------------------------------------------------Jack HarperSecure Outcomes Inc2942 Evergreen ParkwaySuite 300Evergreen, Colorado 80439303.670.8375 Officewww.secureoutcomesinc.com for Product Info.-------- Original message --------From: Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Date: 10/2/19 07:42 (GMT-07:00) To: Bill Degnan via cctech <cctech at classiccmp.org> Cc: Bill Degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com> Subject: Re: LISP implementations on small machines Bill Degnan wrote:> First full version 7090 and then a version was ported tot he PDP-1> that was less powerful.? This is straight from the LISP manual on> site.Which LISP manual is that?The LISP I Programmer's Manual from 1960 says IBM 704.? It also says "aversion of LISP I is being prepared for the IBM 709".http://bitsavers.org/pdf/mit/rle_lisp/LISP_I_Programmers_Manual_Mar60.pdf
Correction!? IBM 704!Jack-----------------------------------------------------Jack HarperSecure Outcomes Inc2942 Evergreen ParkwaySuite 300Evergreen, Colorado 80439303.670.8375 Officewww.secureoutcomesinc.com for Product Info.
-------- Original message --------From: Jack Harper <harper at secureoutcomes-hq.com> Date: 10/2/19 13:36 (GMT-07:00) To: Lars Brinkhoff <lars at nocrew.org>, "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>, Bill Degnan via cctech <cctech at classiccmp.org> Cc: Bill Degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com> Subject: Re: LISP implementations on small machines Hello List -That jives with a conversation I had with John McCarthy before he died.He said that he and friends began the LISP 1.5 (really 1.0) implementation on the IBM 709 - and we both agreed that the idea of LISP running in an enormous pile of vacuum tubes was and is amazing:)Jack-----------------------------------------------------Jack HarperSecure Outcomes Inc2942 Evergreen ParkwaySuite 300Evergreen, Colorado 80439303.670.8375 Officewww.secureoutcomesinc.com for Product Info.-------- Original message --------From: Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Date: 10/2/19 07:42 (GMT-07:00) To: Bill Degnan via cctech <cctech at classiccmp.org> Cc: Bill Degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com> Subject: Re: LISP implementations on small machines Bill Degnan wrote:> First full version 7090 and then a version was ported tot he PDP-1> that was less powerful.? This is straight from the LISP manual on> site.Which LISP manual is that?The LISP I Programmer's Manual from 1960 says IBM 704.? It also says "aversion of LISP I is being prepared for the IBM 709".http://bitsavers.org/pdf/mit/rle_lisp/LISP_I_Programmers_Manual_Mar60.pdf
Hi, does anyone out there have any DM11 documentation? The only thing I could
find online is the "DM11-BB model control option manual" (DEC-11-HDMBA-A-D) -
and it's the impetus for this request, actually.
One page 1-5, pg. 15 of the PDF, it has a diagram of which boards go into
which slots on the DM11 backplane - and ir has _two_ boards marked M7245! So
something's clearly wrong.
The DM11 is a fascinating oddball of an interface, BTW. (It's in the 1972
edition of the "peripherals and interfacing handbook".) A lot of its internal
state is kept in main memory, and accessed via DMA! This includes the incoming
data shift registers!!! So it can really chew up a bus - probably why it was
dropped ASAP. I guess when it was done, memory in chips must have been expensive
and/or not very dense; and it must have been before the first UART chips.
Noel
The videos are up!
The last of the VCF Midwest 14 Talks videos, shot in glorious 4K and
lovingly edited by the intrepid Trixter, have been rendered and posted
to our YouTube channel:
http://youtube.com/vcfmidwest
Check out the Talks you missed this year and in years past, as well as
select attendees' videos that we've linked from our page.
If you'd like, click the Subscribe button on our profile to let us
know you want to see more.
Thanks to all those who presented at VCFMW this year and to all that
shot video when we were too busy to document our own show. For some of
us, it's the only way we see it.
'Til next year...
-j
Thought someone here might find this interesting; I have a binder of
materials describing the entire course (descriptions of the PDP-11/45
DELPHI system, readings, coursework, quizzes, exams (with answers)) for MIT
6.031 "Structure and Interpretation of Computer Languages", 1974.
http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/scans/mit/MIT%206.031%20Structure%20And%2…
It starts with PDP-11 assembly language, moves on to Algol and LISP and is
over a thousand pages of material. Get studying!
- Josh
I know some peeps here are phone pholks?..See www.ezwind.net/phonestuff <http://www.ezwind.net/phonestuff>
One is an old ?bell system western electric?. It seems to have a few 66 blocks just under the cover, a power supply, and some kind of modules that plug in.
The other is a Nortel Networks ICS. It feels way too light, not sure if anything is in it. There is another piece of Nortel gear on the wall, seems to be some kind of wireless? thingy called Nortel Networks Call Pilot 100.
I know zilch about phone systems, and don?t want to know anything about phone systems ? They were on the wall of a warehouse telco closet that my client just rented and we need the space on the dmarc wall for a rack. If someone wants them, and is willing to pay ship/pack (ups) from 63146 let me know within 2 days or they go to the skip.
J
> From: Josh Dersch
> Any idea what ultimately happened to that 11/45?
MIT offered it to me as a gift, but I was a total idiot (and also didn't have
future vision), and as I was so busy with the IETF/IESG at the time (which
might have been the right call, given how the Internet - note the correct
capitalization - has changed the world) I didn't have time to arrange the
shipping, and it was given to FTP Software.
I recently tried to track it down, to find all the software on it (before I
discovered a couple of sets of dump tapes I had made BITD in my basement),
and they gave it to one of their employees and it was apparently scrapped.
> Are the Algol and LISP available anywhere?
Not up yet, but if anyone wants either, I can try and find time to get them
up.
For the Algol interpreter, all I have is the binary (runs under the
MIT-hacked PWB1 - not sure if it would run until vanilla V6) and the manual;
the source was unfortunately not saved when the drives were moved from
DSSR/RTS (the DELPHI group) to my group, CSR. (Although there may at one
point have been a copy retained on a now long-lost pack, along with a lot of
other 6.031 stuff, like problem sets sources; I do have a file which is a
listing of the disk contents.)
For the LISP interpreter, we do have the source (in MACRO) too. Alas, to
build it, one needs the 'bind' binder (which groks .REL files, which are
based on DEC's relocatable binary format), which was i) written in BCPL, and
ii) the current binary can't rebuild itself (I forget the details, whether
it's the BCPL compiler, the MACRO assembler, or 'bind' which can't be
re-built; it was a couple of years back I was playing with all that).
Luckily, we do have some older binaries which can probably be used to work
around the issue. Of course, if one just wants to use the existing
interpreter binary, one can avoid all that.
Noel
Yesterday:
>These will go up on my site at http://everist.org/pics/pcbs
Then promptly the web hosting server goes down, since this morning of 20190930 Tue in Australia.
I don't yet know why, or have any estimate of when it will come back up.
Guy
> From: Josh Dersch
> descriptions of the PDP-11/45 DELPHI system
> ...
> moves on to Algol and LISP
I later became the 'owner' of that PDP-11/45 (our group at LCS traded an
-11/40, which EECS wanted for their DECSystem-20, for it).
That Algol and LISP were later moved to Unix V6 when the group that had done
DELPHI converted to Unix. I have both - alas, the source for the Algol has
been lost. :-(
Noel
A friend of mine is trying to repair a IBM 5110. He is convinced that the
transformer is bad.
Anyone knows the spec of the transformer?
Someone that has a spare?
Looking into the tech documentation tell me that the machine requires +/-
5V and +/- 12 V and also +8.5V
A very rough guesstimate based on the number of wires from the PSU to the
backplane would give 20A 5V, 4A +12V, 4A +8.5V, 1A -5V and 1A -12V.
Anyone with a better guess?
/Mattis
Lee writes:
> This is a *very* nice entry-level HP3000/MPE system based on PA-RISC
> architecture. But one note - the 917 had the soldered TOD battery on the
> motherboard, vs. the FRU TOD battery in the later 918. Not a reason to skip
> if you are interested in this machine.
True, there's been some discussion of that over on HP3000-L.
IIRC, it's still possible to boot even if the battery is dead ...
boot to the ISL> prompt, run clkutil, set the date, then exit to ISL>,
then run 'START'.
Stan
Does anyone have AViiON AV300D or related docs? I got a pair that have bum power supplies and I?m hoping to find something that will makes servicing them easier.
After I get them running, I?ll obviously be looking for software. And a pinout for their unique SCSI port, though I hear they can netboot; any details about that would be useful too.
? Chris
Sent from my iPhone
Hello,
I have read your message about pioneer drm-604.
I bought one on eBay but the sender didn?t t take out the caddy for shipping and I can t take it out from the player.
I would like to know if you could share the service manual or if you have a tuto to diy.
Thank you in advance for your help.
Regards
Fr?d?ric
Hello all - VCFMW14 has come and gone and we're left with lots of
photo galleries, a few videos and hopefully fond memories for all. It
was a new venue this year and an unprecedented (and unexpected -
seriously we filled the place) turnout. Wheels are in motion toward
doing it again next year but for now we're just going to rest a little
first.
Here's a link to all of the known-thus-far pics and vids:
http://vcfmw.org/past.html
The videos of the actual VCFMW Talks are being scrupulously compiled
and encoded and another announcement will go out soon when they're
ready. For now, check out the cool setup time-lapse and visitor
review videos at the link above.
It's looking like we're going to do a reprint run of this year's
official shirt because so many were unable to purchase one at the show
(see the bit above about unexpected turnout). Maybe you'd like one,
too. There's a size survey form in our latest mailing list message
here:
https://us18.admin.mailchimp.com/campaigns/show?id=389367
And finally a big THANK YOU to all who donated, displayed, volunteered
and attended in order to make VCF Midwest the most enjoyable and
exhausting weekend of the year for us.
-j
Have been on the road, and I just noticed this announcement on the TUHS
list.
I'd been trying to find this for a long time
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: [TUHS] Recovered!!! The Georgia Tech Software Tools Subystem
for Prime Computers
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 22:45:29 +0300
From: Arnold Robbins <arnold at skeeve.com>
To: tuhs at tuhs.org
Hello All.
Believed lost in the mists of time for over 30 years, the Georgia Tech
Software Tools Subsystem for Prime Computers, along with the Georgia Tech
C Compiler for Prime Computers, have been recovered!
The source code and documentation (and binary files) are available in a
Github repo: https://github.com/arnoldrobbins/gt-swt.
The README.md there provides some brief history and credits with respect
to the recovery, and w.r.t. the subsystem and C compilers themselves.
Credit to Scott Lee for making and keeping the tapes and driving the
recovery process, and to Dennis Boone and yours truly for contributing
financially. I set up the repo.
For anyone who used and/or contributed to this software, we hope you'll
enjoy this trip down memory lane.
Feel free to forward this note to interested parties.
Enjoy,
Arnold Robbins
(On behalf of the swt recovery team. :-)
Hi,
A friend tells me that there is a Hewlett-Packard HP3000/917LX available in
Vacaville (no word as to price, but I suspect it's free ... the owner wants
it to go to a good home). Reportedly running, with additional "mini-tower"
(PC size or less) of external disks, a DTC (Distributed Terminal
Controller, lets you have up to 32 RS232 terminals attached (depending upon
model of DTC)), and an external tape drive (probably DDS, but I don't know
for sure).
If interested, email me at sieler at allegro.com and I'll put you in touch with
the friend of the Vacaville guy.
thanks,
Stan
Found a Datapoint 2200 in Austria that I wanted - I asked seller Viktor to pack it well, by wrapping it several times in big-bubble bubbewrap, until it was just a giant cube of bubble wrap.
See pics here:
http://oldcomputers.net/box/
?
The cover was actually sent separately in another box so it didn't crushed by the 50 pound system.
First, I have to rewire it from 220vac to 110vac.
Second - what to do about that screen?
VME Systems VMEbus DMA Interface card manual. 1991 reprint from 1986. About 100+ pages, schematic, asm test routines
http://web.aanet.com.au/~malikoff/blah/
I didn't see it on bitsavers. I don't have any VMEbus gear so no point it taking up space here. Yours for postage from Brisbane, Oz.
Steve.
A friend of mine, Harold Fue, has been selling new and used soldering
equipment for many years, and may well have what you are looking for. My
knowledge of Metcal is limited, but I bought a number of new tips, a
used SP-200 unit with handpiece and the handpiece holder from him a
couple years ago. A search on google for "harold fue santa barbara" came
up with his contact information. He has been selling at Dayton
Hamvention for who knows how many years, but an auto accident a year or
so ago totaled his vehicle and slowed him up (he is in his mid 80's)
>from doing that.
Marvin
>
>> On Sep 25, 2019, at 6:58 PM, Alexandre Souza via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Dear sirs
>>
>> I'm looking for a metcal MX500 (so you know what handpiece I have) workstand. Also, cheap tips and a new handle, mine is broken and fixed up man times
>>
>> I don't know if this request is apropriate on this list, but who knows? =)
>>
>> Thanks
>> Alexandre
>>
>> PS: I know there are some on epay?
>
>
> Is there a good source for cheap Metcal tips? I got mine through this list about 20 years ago, and IIRC, I still need tips.
>
> Zane
He is in RI, and I am in TX. Your shipper is in Calif.
You might consider contacting one of the computer museums in Rhode Island to
see if they will assist you.
http://www.ricomputermuseum.org/https://www.rcsri.org/
Cindy
-----Original Message-----
From: Guy Dunphy [mailto:guykd at optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 10:39 PM
To: Electronics Plus
Subject: RE: HP vintage boards being sold as scrap
At 04:46 PM 25/09/2019 -0500, you wrote:
>If enough people want them, and someone gets a winning bid, then they can
>come to me and I will repackage and ship them for the actual cost of
>postage.
>
>Cindy
Thanks for the kind offer. Where are you, relative to the seller?
I can see a problem though. Isn't it impossible to have ebay-won
items shipped to other than one's ebay-verified address? I'm not sure...
I know to get things sent to my reshipper, I have to have them set
as my 'real address' before bidding.
That's why I asked if anyone is close enough to pick up the boards.
Not to mention sidestepping the seller's problematical packing intentions.
Guy
>-----Original Message-----
>From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Guy Dunphy
>via cctalk
>Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 4:01 PM
>To: Brent Hilpert; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>Subject: Re: HP vintage boards being sold as scrap
>
>At 12:00 PM 25/09/2019 -0700, you wrote:
>>On 2019-Sep-25, at 3:07 AM, Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone else recognise some of the other boards?
>>
>>
>>There is a stack of IO interface boards, including HSTs, for the HP
>2100/1000 series there.
>>
>>Lower-right stack in this pic, 7 boards, boards have one red and one grey
>handle:
>> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/n08AAOSwjY5dg5Kd/s-l1600.jpg
>>
>>"HS Terminal" is discernible on one of them, and the one on top looks to
be
>an HS Terminal as well.
>>Can't be certain about the others but they have the same size IO
connector,
>they may all be HSTs.
>>
>>HSTs are the basic RS232 & current loop, async serial-line interface
>boards, 12531D, used for the console and such in the 2100/1000 series,
>>going back to the early machines of the series.
>>
>>(HS is 'High-Speed', but that's relative to the late-60s, billed for up to
>2400bps, but it is possible to operate them at higher speeds).
>>
>>I'd buy one for, say 60$, if someone picks up the bunch and wants to flog
>one.
>
>
>
>Sigh. And here I am putting together a rack with a HP 1000 system.
>Though, some of those edge connectors look corroded.
>
>I really would like those DtoA boards. So many! I have both a 3497A and the
>3498A extender
>plus a need for lots of cards for them. Plus I have the service manual with
>schematics
>so can repair them.
>
>Anyway... the seller is listed as being in Warren, Rhode Island, United
>States.
>I'm in Australia, and have a reshipper in the US. BUT, the reshipper is on
>the west coast.
>
>Is there anyone on this list who lives in that area who could pick them up,
>then pack and post
>small sets of boards? I can afford to bid (fingers crossed), but _can't_
>afford the postage
>of "90 lbs" across the continent. Let alone to Australia.
>
>The one existing bid, is that anyone here?
>
>Guy
>
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Dear sirs
I'm looking for a metcal MX500 (so you know what handpiece I have)
workstand. Also, cheap tips and a new handle, mine is broken and fixed
up man times
I don't know if this request is apropriate on this list, but who knows? =)
Thanks
Alexandre
PS: I know there are some on epay...
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At 04:46 PM 25/09/2019 -0500, you wrote:
>If enough people want them, and someone gets a winning bid, then they can
>come to me and I will repackage and ship them for the actual cost of
>postage.
>
>Cindy
Thanks for the kind offer. Where are you, relative to the seller?
I can see a problem though. Isn't it impossible to have ebay-won
items shipped to other than one's ebay-verified address? I'm not sure...
I know to get things sent to my reshipper, I have to have them set
as my 'real address' before bidding.
That's why I asked if anyone is close enough to pick up the boards.
Not to mention sidestepping the seller's problematical packing intentions.
Guy
>-----Original Message-----
>From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Guy Dunphy
>via cctalk
>Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 4:01 PM
>To: Brent Hilpert; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>Subject: Re: HP vintage boards being sold as scrap
>
>At 12:00 PM 25/09/2019 -0700, you wrote:
>>On 2019-Sep-25, at 3:07 AM, Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone else recognise some of the other boards?
>>
>>
>>There is a stack of IO interface boards, including HSTs, for the HP
>2100/1000 series there.
>>
>>Lower-right stack in this pic, 7 boards, boards have one red and one grey
>handle:
>> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/n08AAOSwjY5dg5Kd/s-l1600.jpg
>>
>>"HS Terminal" is discernible on one of them, and the one on top looks to be
>an HS Terminal as well.
>>Can't be certain about the others but they have the same size IO connector,
>they may all be HSTs.
>>
>>HSTs are the basic RS232 & current loop, async serial-line interface
>boards, 12531D, used for the console and such in the 2100/1000 series,
>>going back to the early machines of the series.
>>
>>(HS is 'High-Speed', but that's relative to the late-60s, billed for up to
>2400bps, but it is possible to operate them at higher speeds).
>>
>>I'd buy one for, say 60$, if someone picks up the bunch and wants to flog
>one.
>
>
>
>Sigh. And here I am putting together a rack with a HP 1000 system.
>Though, some of those edge connectors look corroded.
>
>I really would like those DtoA boards. So many! I have both a 3497A and the
>3498A extender
>plus a need for lots of cards for them. Plus I have the service manual with
>schematics
>so can repair them.
>
>Anyway... the seller is listed as being in Warren, Rhode Island, United
>States.
>I'm in Australia, and have a reshipper in the US. BUT, the reshipper is on
>the west coast.
>
>Is there anyone on this list who lives in that area who could pick them up,
>then pack and post
>small sets of boards? I can afford to bid (fingers crossed), but _can't_
>afford the postage
>of "90 lbs" across the continent. Let alone to Australia.
>
>The one existing bid, is that anyone here?
>
>Guy
>
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Send him an email, and he can send you a list. He is NOT interested in selling 1 or 2 boxes of floppies. He needs volume deals.
I have a list of items available from a Value Added Reseller that closed several years ago and had these items in storage.
All items are OEM, NOS and include LOTS of data media spanning generations (Round Reel data tapes, 4mm Cassette tapes, ????? Tape Cartridges, 35???, 5.25??? and 8??? Diskettes), Trillium and EnGenius phone equipment, various electronics components and packaging materials. Have images of many of the items available.
Email netbuy at bellsouth.net and or buynetworks at gmail.com
Netbuy LLC
Robb Adams
386-585-5236
Cindy Croxton
Electronics Plus
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> From: Evan Koblentz
> I know of two RP04 drives in the wild. One belongs to a private
> collector. VCF has the other.
Right, but does VCF need it scanned?
Oh, one other place that might have one: the MIT MC KL10 had a couple of
RP04's; when it was taken away to Scandanavia, they might have gone with it.
I think that machine is now at LCM?
Noel
> From: Al Kossow
>> This is documented in NASA's official history of Project Mercury, for
>> which it was invented.
> could you post a pointer to the document where this appears?
If the reference is to:
Lloyd S. Swenson, James M. Grimwood, Charles C. Alexander; "This New
Ocean: A History of Project Mercury"; SP-4201; NASA; Washington; 1966
"WD-40" does not appear in the index. There's another less likely book
("Project Mercury: A Chronology", or something like that), but I can't be
bothered to drag it out and look, because I'm pretty sure that's incorrect.
My understanding is that WD-40 was invented to protect the stainless steel
skin of the Atlas ICBM (which was often left un-painted), built by Convair. I
do recall seeing this in one of my Atlas books, which is alas currently not
shelved, and I don't have time to find it. FWIW, Wikipedia agrees.
The rest of that post (about how it's a waxy material in a solvent) is I
think correct; it certainly agrees with its original intended usage (above).
Noel
> From: Pierre Gebhardt
> there seems to be a copy of the maintenance manual in the unibus-folder
> on bitsavers: EK-DJ11-MM-003_DJ11_Maint_Man_Aug76.pdf
Argh! I looked in that folder, but didn't see it! (And Manx says its not online,
either.)
> Would be worth checking the document revision.
Mine's earlier: DEC-11-HDJAA-B-D.
> What is missing, however, is an engineering manual with the schematics.
Well, the M7820's will be the same as in the DH11. The M7285 and M7279 are
DJ11-specific, though.
I was going to say that 'does anyone even have any DJ11's any more, to need
the drawings' (they're like lobotomized DZ11's - the serial line config is
done with jumpers!), but on looking it turns out the RICM probably has some in
their -11/45's.
Noel
I resurrected an old keyboard and mouse I like. Not wishing to gross anyone
out but it looks like over time there was a build-up of oil etc from my
hands etc and over time being stored away its turned to a really almost hard
paste like stuff on both the mouse and keyboard.
I've tried number of agents to clean it off but limited success.
Any tips please.
Kevin Parker
Morning all;
I was up in Minneapolis over the weekend and will probably be back next
weekend - I was wondering where the local geeks might go for some nifty
goodness (for sale or just to gander at)?
When I was up there I hit FreeGeek and picked up a SCSI SyQuest EZ135
external drive and a couple of carts. I also rolled through The Ax-Man...
for 3 hours because I'd never even heard of the place before and was
absolutely astonished at what I'd found. (If you've never been, you _must_
go)
But I thought I'd poll and see what else might be found up there? I'm
mostly a non-PC collector (Sun/SGI/Digital/+ random things) - but easily
amused.
Speaking of, there's a set of power supply modules for a PDP at The Ax-Man
on University. There were several h744s and 745s and and an h754, although
one of them someone has started to pry apart and the Molex (?) connector
is broken from the PCB, although the pins were still attached to the
board. They were asking $9.95 for each and I wasn't willing to buy and
hope they worked.
Cheers;
- JP
Just saw this ?
https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/sys/d/laguna-niguel-vintage-dec-compute…
Ad Says?
Vintage DEC Computer 350 Pro System - $450 (Laguna Niguel)
Vintage Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC) computer system 350 Professional ( based on PD-11 chipset) 10 MB HDD , Monitor VR-201, Printer : Letterprinter 100 , Enclosure, Extensive set of Documentation. These Items are intended for collectors who have good knowledge and experience with old computers
Re: Cleaning an old keyboard
Hey, that spiel would be a good start to a great article on the CHWiki,
'Cleaning keyboards'! (Not sure if any of the other replies contained
anything worth picking up.)
Noel
I have 6 Tek logic analyzer probes available.
I have one P6464 pattern generator probe with a message
about some bad channels (could have been the cable or pat
gen board, too).
There are 3 X P6452 analysis probes, and 2 X P6451.
Anybody need any of these?
Thanks,
Jon
On 9/21/19 10:26 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
>
>
> On 9/21/19 10:12 AM, Mark J. Blair wrote:
>
>> Is it effective to bake cookies in their jackets?
> I don't know, since i've never baked floppies. Chuck would know.
Yes, I do. Usual 58C temps that I use for tapes. Doesn't seem to
affect the jacket.
--Chuck
So I just discovered that there are three wildly different variants of the
M7821 Interrupt Control card. More here, with images:
http://gunkies.org/wiki/M782_Interrupt_Control
I'll have to dredge around and see if I can find circuit diagrams for them
all; they are wildly different, the -C has many fewer components than
the -B and -D, and the latter has a couple of delay lines.
Noel
PS: Sorry about that dis-directed message to Cindy; not quite sure what
I did wrong there.
> From: Jim Stephens
> I don't know how to contact the maintainer for manx
There was discussion recently about that, and I did manage (with help from
someone here who provided his email - thanks muchly!) to reach him. We were
discussing how I could help update things, but a hurricane came by, and
I dropped it; need to continue.
> Anyway I found that the entry for one of the entries is stale but the
> internet archive had captured the tar file with the information.
> ...
> One of the questions is whether archive.org entries are desirable or
> acceptible by the rules, and 2, whether the internet archive will be
> okay with that. I see frequently that Wikipedia entries retrieve and
> publish those links.
I can't see how either would be a problem (as you point out with Wikipedia).
As long as the bits are there, and won't go away (which I assume is true
of the IA) that should be OK.
Noel
Folks,
I have a couple of spare printers
1. Panasonic KX-P3626 wide carriage 24-pin dot matrix printer with
sheet and tractor feed. Free to anyone who wants it. If needed I can throw
in a box of music ruled fanfold paper.
Comes with some spare ribbons.
2. Amstrad DPM2000 narrow carriage 9 pin printer. Sheet and tractor
feed, but I can't spare a box of narrow paper.
Located in south Manchester, North West England. I haven't tested but will
do if there is any interest.
Dave Wade
G4UGM & EA7KAE
I looked for an image or record of the PDP8/L reference card, and one of
the entries which showed up was for manx.
I don't know how to contact the maintainer for manx but figure if
someone can comment here it would be better than me ratholing and still
not figuring it out.
Anyway I found that the entry for one of the entries is stale but the
internet archive had captured the tar file with the information.
PDP-8 Pocket Reference Card
http://manx-docs.org/details.php/1,5468https://web.archive.org/web/20151121165042/http://www.vaxarchive.org/pdp11/…
I did find this, and will try.
Is something not working? Is a URL out of date or offline? Feel free to
create a bug report <http://manx.codeplex.com/WorkItem/Create> on our
CodePlex project <http://manx.codeplex.com>
http://manx.codeplex.com/WorkItem/Create
One of the questions is whether archive.org entries are desirable or
acceptible by the rules, and 2, whether the internet archive will be
okay with that.? I see frequently that Wikipedia entries retrieve and
publish those links.
Thanks.
Jim
At 04:59 PM 22/09/2019 -0500, Thomas Raguso wrote:
>Update: I have also found IBM 500-series punch card equipment.
If you find any full boxes of blank IBM punch cards, please mention.
I might be able to afford postage on a few.
> 1970s HP computers
I'm probably going to cry when I see photos. (Because I'm in Australia.)
Guy
An ex DEC engineer offloaded some stuff that he had found in his attic.
https://i.imgur.com/413NSSL.jpg?1
It came together with a tektronix 1241 Logic Analyzer.
Someone that can tell more about it?
Then there were some DC100 tapes in a huge heap of TU58 diagnostic tapes
for VAX-11/730 and VAX-11/750 that looked different.
https://i.imgur.com/6n8yCxd.jpg?1
They were marked "BI-SYNC TRAINING TAPE" and "ASYNC TRAINING TAPE
TAP-895-103-1.0 3.04"
Anyone recognize what that could be?
BTW. What are the status of various 11/730 and 11/750 diagnostics on TU58.
Are those already dumped? It takes some time to work with TU58 so if
someone already done all this I might skip dealing with them.
I know of only one place that has TU58 dumps.
http://iamvirtual.ca/VAX11/VAX-11-software.html
Anywhere else?
/Mattis
So I have just acquired a copy of the service manual for the RP04 drive (ISS
model 733). Does anyone have an immediate need to look at this? If so, I can
put it on the top of the 'to scan' stack.
Noel
I was watching an early airing of "What's My Line", and they aired a
commercial by Remington Rand:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-DNG_bbHDE
The commercial starts about 19:30 and shows the Univac being used in a
weather prediction. Not much useful information, but the video is quite
interesting to watch.
Marvin
My MicroVAX 3100 gets stuck in boot with the leftmost 4 LEDs on, which
indicates it's executed some instructions from ROM.
That in turn may indicate that the ROMs are corrupt.
From
http://gentiane.org/~miod/machineroom/machines/digital/vax/3100-30/bare_mob…
it looks as if the ROMs are a pair of M27C1024s.
Mouser doesn't have those, but they do carry AT27C1024 in two different
speeds. Those look like they should work. It looks like my ROM burner
will support that, with an additional, not horrifically expensive, adapter.
The machine is probably a ka42b CPU (I can check when I get home). That in
turn suggests that the file simh/VAX/ka42b.bin (which is 256K, which is
nice, since that is two megabits) is probably the image I need.
So my major remaining question is: how are those chips laid out? Since
they're 16 bits wide, I assume that what I really have is a 64kword memory
image...but is one the bottom 32kwords and one the top? Or is one the left
16 bits of 64kwords, and the other the right 16 bits? In short, how do I
slice the image from simh to put it into the replacement ROMs?
Adam
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 22:27:23 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Ethan O'Toole <ethan at 757.org>
> Subject: PBXes at home
>
> A number of years ago I picked up a Lucent Merlin Legend system.
>
> --
> : Ethan O'Toole
>
I have a little Merlin 410 PBX at home, with the Conference and Music on
Hold plug-in modules.
--
Michael Thompson
Picked up an Intecolor 2400 terminal awhile back; it's a nice
VT100-compatible terminal with color enhancements. Unfortunately it's
missing the detachable keyboard. Probably a longshot, but anyone have one
of these lying around?
Thanks,
Josh
> From: Kevin Monceaux
> I'm not sure what it is about phone systems. ... I don't know why I'm
> doing this.
Oh, and the rest of us have a real use/need for old, slow, small (by modern
standards) systems that use a ton of power? :-)
Noel
The Microram was a multipurpose solid state memory chassis sold by EMM (Electronic Memories and Magnetics) with what we called later in the 1970's a "personality board" that plugged it into each different CPU's backplane. They sold a similar system (maybe even plug compatible at some level) with core planes under "Micromemory" brand name. I see we already have a "emm" directory in bitsavers with docs about some of their core products.
It's time for another batch of exciting stuff from my collection to find
its way into yours!
Today's batch:
Compaq Contura 4/25
Compaq LTE/286 Laptop
Compaq Portable III Operations Guide + System Software
Packard Bell PB414A Multi-Media PC
Radio Shack 1982 TRS-80 Microcomputer Catalog No. RSC-7
Radio Shack 1983 TRS-80 Microcomputer Catalog No. RSC-8
Radio Shack 1985 TRS-80 Microcomputer Catalog No. RSC-12
A Practical Guide to the Tandy 1000SX
Heath Computer Systems H-386 Desktop PC
Gravis MouseStick GMPU
Logitech Wingman Attack Joystick
Modular CIrcuit Technology PC EPROM Programmer
Atari CX22 Trak-Ball
Kingston DataCard KTM-DC16/127 Hard Disk/Memory Expansion
Data General How To Use The Nova Computers Manual
DEC Digital Products and Applications (1971)
VAX Architecture Reference Manual
Macintosh PowerBook 1400c
Macintosh PowerBook 180
Apple 800K External Drive
Apple PC 5.25 Drive
AppleCD 300
AppleCD 300e Plus
American Megatrends Voyager 486 Motherboard
Zenith Data Systems N8003 External CD-ROM Drive
Apple LisaDraw Manual
Apple Lisa Office System Release 3.0 Manual
Apple 486/66 DOS Compatibility Card
Asante MC3NB NuBus Ethernet Interface
Kingroyal 2-serial, 1-parallel, 1-game Interface
STB 2-serial 1-parallel interface
Sealevel Systems 3088 dual-port serial card
Cardinal Technologies VGA 300
IEV Corp. VIP-2000 Interactive Graphics Controller
Datacopy Corp. Datacopy Model III
Domex UDS-IS10 SCSI interface
Talking Tech Bigmouth
Your PC Multi-Lab PCL-711 Analog and Digital I/O Card
Danford SEU 3800 multi-port serial card
Triad Systems PC-IDC-8 8-port ISA Serial Interface
U.S. Digital PC7166 Incremental Encoder Interface
Western Digital WD1003V-MM2 HD/FD Controller (Prototype?)
Supra SupraExpress 33.6i Voice Modem
3Com EtherLink III 3C509B-TPO
Allied Telesis AT-2000T-PNP TP ISA network interface
Advanced Logic Research 16-bit VGA/Parallel
Iwill SIDE VLB SCSI/IDE/FDC/I-O Controller
Adaptec AHA-2940UW Ultra Wide SCSI Controller
Berkshire Products PCI PC Watchdog
BusLogic BT-958 SCSI-3 Adaptor
Network Appliance 110-01579 PCI NVRAM Board
Ocean Optics ADC2000-PCI+ A/D Converter
Philips TV Tuner PCI Board
S&S Research MOTU PCI-324 Audio PCI Interface
Smart Modular Technologies 90079 Modem/Sound Combo Board
ATI Rage IIc AGP Graphics Card
Asus V8170/128M AGP Graphics Card
Matrox G45+ AGP Graphics Card
IBM 2330364 Token Ring Network Adaptor 16/4
SCO Informix v3.11 for the Apple Lisa 2
SCO Lyrix v3.10 for the Apple Lisa 2
SCO MF/SCO Level II COBOL v2.0 High Performance
SCO Multiplan v2.10B for the Apple Lisa 2
SCO Xenix Development System v3.0 for the Apple Lisa 2
SCO Xenix Operating System v3.0 for the Apple Lisa 2
SCO Xenix Text Processing System v3.0 for the Apple Lisa 2
Hands-On BASIC for the IBM PCjr
HP 82901M Flexible Disc Drive
HP 9885M Flexible Disk Drive
HP 10247A Clock Probe
HP 10248B Eight Bit Probe
HP 10248C Eight Bit Probe (Pod 1)
HP 10248C Eight Bit Probe (Pod 2)
HP 10248C Eight Bit Probe (Pod 3)
HP 10248C Eight Bit Probe (Pod 4)
HP 10248C Eight Bit Probe (1610B)
Convergent Technologies NGEN XM-003 Memory Module
Wico Command Control Joystick
Links to the newly listed items can be found in the usual place:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I53wxarLHlNmlPVf_HJ5oMKuab4zrApI_hi…
As always, please contact me directly by e-mail <sellam.ismail at gmail.com>
to inquire about an item.
Thanks!
Sellam
Okay, I'm trying to beat back the hoard in my basement before the rainy season starts here in CA:
I have a couple of NMOS static RAM UNIBUS address spaces that I picked up from CMU sometime back in the mid-'80s once when they were cleaning house. I've been hauling these around for 30+ years, thinking I would use them with the '11/45 that I picked up at the same time, but as previously discussed here I have a much more practical MS11-L working in that system now. So, I'd be more than happy to pass these one to somebody else who could put them to good use?
There are two; they are 5U 19" rack chassis with integrated power supplies and fans. These are card cages with slots for 5 11"x15" cards plugging, into a PCB backplane (big, heavy!)
Each chassis contains four fully-populated MICRORAM 3400N memory cards (at 32K words x 18 bits each, each chassis is a full UNIBUS address space); each of the memory cards caries 144 x socketed 4402ACC, with 1977 date codes.
Each chassis also has a fifth card, a custom UNIBUS interface card that was developed at CMU, which takes the place of the self-test card in the original units.
The units are marked S/N 100001 and 100002, P/N 929331-009A. They are in good shape, but dusty, and with some corrosion evident on the chassis. Have not seen power in several decades, so the power supplies probably need a going over...
I also have full documentation (including schematics), and a folder of schematics and some hand-drawn notes for the CMU interface cards. I have dups of the EMM documentation, so could send it to Al if he is interested?
Anybody out there interested? I am in Oakland, CA. It would be best to pick these up in person, because they'd probably be $$$ to ship.
cheers,
--FritzM.
Greetings all, I?ve now taken over custodianship of the RetroChallenge and
would like to extend an invitation to any who are interested in joining in
this October.
Entry details at:
http://www.retrochallenge.org
Retro COMPUTE ;)
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<http://www.jongleur.co.uk/blogs/>*
*Podcast*: *Retro Computing Roundtable <http://rcrpodcast.com/>* (Co-Host)
I finally managed to get TSS/8 running under SIMH V4... console on the
laptop, a time-sharing line (TTIX port 23) on an ADM-3A (much quieter while
debugging) :)
The interface is the Volpe current-loop to USB board, a small freeware
program "COM By TCP" to allow a TCP port (USB is COM4, TCP is 127.0.0.1 port
23).
So far so good. But I am having connection problems with the data coming
>from SIMH to the terminal.
At 110 baud I only get a few characters before the serial-TCP program hangs
with this write-timeout message:
22:24:11: Socket connected to 127.0.0.1:23
22:24:11: SOCK: Unable to write on COM. The port is CLOSED.. <-- this is
because I didn't "Get COM" first.
22:24:13: COM4 correctly opened!
22:24:24: System.TimeoutException: The write timed out.
at System.IO.Ports.SerialStream.Write(Byte[] array, Int32 offset, Int32
count, Int32 timeout)
at System.IO.Ports.SerialPort.Write(Byte[] buffer, Int32 offset, Int32
count)
at COMbyTCP.Form.sockClient_dataRecived(Byte[] buffer, Int32
bytesRecived)
I tried at 1200 baud and the same problem occurs, I can just get more
characters before the terminal screen freezes.
Nothing's locked up except the downstream SIMH data (i.e. I can hit Return
on the terminal and the TSS/8 dot prompt reappears).
It is repeatable regardless of what I am trying to do on the terminal. Only
very small outputs come through in their entirety without this error
message.
I don't think it's the current-loop board, which has an onboard micro fast
enough to translate Baudot on the fly. And the receive light stops
flickering at the same time the write timeout message pops up.
Does anyone know how I can extend the timeout parameter... is this a Windows
networking problem, or something flaky in the freeware serial-TCP program?
thanks
Charles
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I could use a hint... I have a USB to current-loop (Volpe) interface board,
and Windows 7 on my laptop does recognize it as COM4 at 110 baud.
So far so good. No problem hooking it up to my ASR-33 Teletype.
Now I'd really like to figure out how to set SIMH to use the 33 as the
console, so the TTY will be attached to the virtual PDP-8.
I do have OS/8 and TSS/8 running on SIMH with the laptop as console. Just
don't know how to make it "talk" to the USB serial port instead.
Anything that starts with "set console..." gives a "no settable parameters"
error.
Thanks for any hints.
-Charles
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I got ahead of myself a little bit... forgot I still couldn't connect a
serial port to SIMH.
Turns out my version of SIMH 3.08 was from 2008 or so... I just downloaded
the latest version 4 from GitHub and sure enough it does accept SET CONSOLE
SERIAL.
Now I just have to figure out the port name since it doesn't like COM4:
But I'm almost there :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 6:46 PM
To: J. David Bryan ; cctalk digest
Subject: Re: Connecting SIMH to teletype via USB
Update: got my SIMH (set console telnet:23) talking to PuTTY in another
window, via Telnet 127.0.0.1:23.
So it is possible ;)
Now it's time to hook up the actual TTY to the USB-current loop card and see
what's what!
-----Original Message-----
From: J. David Bryan
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 6:23 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Cc: Charles
Subject: Re: Connecting SIMH to teletype via USB
On Friday, September 13, 2019 at 15:42, Charles via cctalk wrote:
> I could use a hint... I have a USB to current-loop (Volpe) interface
> board, and Windows 7 on my laptop does recognize it as COM4 at 110
> baud. So far so good. No problem hooking it up to my ASR-33 Teletype.
>
> Now I'd really like to figure out how to set SIMH to use the 33 as the
> console, so the TTY will be attached to the virtual PDP-8.
Section 3.14, "Console Options" of the "SIMH Users' Guide V4.0" suggests
that:
set console serial=com4;110-8n2
...should work (though you might need "7e2" or "7o2" instead, depending on
how your Teletype is set up).
> Anything that starts with "set console..." gives a "no settable
> parameters" error.
Does the above also give this error?
-- Dave
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Folks,
I've been made aware by Michael Ross (who for some reason can't join this
list) that there is a System/32 available for not much money in Helsinki.
If you're 100% interested the contact is stidialla at gmail.com
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I just picked up a board set from a Zenith Z-100 (not sure if it was a 110
or 120 model) which had been junked. I threw this out on the sebhc mailing
list too, but perhaps someone here knows:
a) If the machine's keyboard is completely passive (i.e. just a bunch of
switches), or if there's any intelligence to it,
b) If the system will start up with no boards plugged in (other than the
bitmap display PCB) - i.e. no S100 FDC or winchester,
c) If "yes" to the previous, whether the mainboard/bitmap board will
function on just +5V and +/-12V (i.e. without the S100 +8V and +/-16V rails)
Trying to power up what I have might be fun, but I'm really not sure about
the lack-of-keyboard issue - if it's just switches and decoded via the
mainboard then rigging something might be possible, but if there's some
kind of higher level serial protocol involved then maybe it's too much
hassle. I don't have a S100 bus machine kicking around to power things with
at present (but of course rigging something would not be too difficult).
I'm not sure what kind of details the documentation went into, either -
I've got a Z-89 and the docs there are extremely technical, with full
schematics, but I'm not seeing any equivalent online for the Z100 series
(there seems to be very little out there about them at all - came too late
in the S100 era, perhaps?)
cheers
Jules
Has anyone replaced the capacitor in a ferroresonant power supply with much
success? My current understanding is that the capacitor and transformer are
mated as a pair, so replacing just one of them would require careful
consideration.
The PDP-8/I I'm working on has a 704A in it, with a GE 8uF 660V capacitor.
It measures a couple of nF on my capacitor meter, and I was told by the
previous owner that it's dead.
Any advice?
Thanks,
Kyle
>Thanks! Someone else pointed me to Mouser as well. Was hoping to find
something in stock, but I guess I can wait and go with Mouser; after all,
the PDP-8/I has >been waiting well over 30 years for a new capacitor!
>
>Kyle
It looks like Farnell/element14 have a couple in stock ->
https://au.element14.com/search?st=8uf%20660v Element14 Order Number
2668607
Malcolm
Hello,
A few weeks ago I ordered a Sigma 400255 for my H11A LSI-11 computer with
the hopes of getting a 8" floppy hooked up for VCFMW. For the most part,
all the tests I ran from the ODT seemed to be AOK. The one this I couldn't
do it boot RT-11 from my TU58 emulator, as it would crash every time. Every
since I was able to boot RT-11 on my machine it has been unstable and prone
to crashes, but i chalked that up to the TU58 emulator, and not the machine
itself. Since I needed to boot from to TU58 in order to INIT and make a
bootable RT-11 disk for my system, I looked for other causes for the
crashes. I ran the VKAA XXDP test, which passed fine. I then ZKMA test,
which lo and behold listed back there were numerous bad addresses all over
memory. The only memory modules I have are 3 nearly identical 3rd party
32KW memory modules. The one that I have in the system right now came with
it, and is the one with memory errors. The other two are ones I bought on
eBay that are in rather poor condition and currently do not work at all. I
was hoping to transfer some of the 4116 chips from my nonfunctional units
over to my semi-functional unit, but I cannot find schematics for any of
the boards because they don't have any marking identifying marking on them.
If anyone knows where I can find schematics for these boards, that would be
wonderful. I am including a picture of one of these boards below.
https://i.ibb.co/sQwZw0j/32kwram.jpg
Thank You, Gavin Tersteeg
AST-coax, AST-432, AST-SNA, etc. IBM comms products circa late 80s
I'm in the process of pdf-ing the manuals this afternoon.
The only product disk I have is AST-3780
The Vintage Computer Federation is pleased to announce Vintage Computer
Festival Pacific Northwest 2020! We will be at Living
Computers:Museum+Labs in Seattle Washington on Saturday March 21st and
Sunday March 22nd, 2020.
To make this happen we are looking for exhibitors, speakers and
volunteers. Last year we had 28 exhibits and 6 presentations. We had a
great time, we broke the museum attendance record (again), and we are
looking to have a good time again in March.
If you are thinking of traveling from outside of the region there is plenty
to do in Seattle while you are here. Local attractions include the
Connections Museum, the Pacific Science Center, MoPOP, the Boeing factory
tour, Mr. Rainier, etc. Victoria, British Columbia is also a short
distance away. See a more complete list at https://goo.gl/3emMWH .
Details about VCF PNW 2020 can be found at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw . The
exhibitor registration instructions can be found at
http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw/exhibitor-registration . I'm happy to answer
questions by email too.
Regards,
Mike
mbbrutman at brutman.com or michael at vcfed.org
> From: Mister PDP
> listed back there were numerous bad addresses all over memory.
> ...
> I cannot find schematics for any of the boards
You can repair MOS memory boards where the board is basically working, but
just has some failing memory chips, without schematics.
First you need to create a map which translates memory chip # to bits. You
have 32 chips in the array, so there are probably 2 32KB banks, each 16 bits
wide. Pull a chip, and then try and figure out which bit it is; then repeat
with other chips to try and figure out which bits are stored in which
chips. (Unless the designers were insane, each chip will hold the same bit in
all the words in that bank.)
On yours, the memory chips are in sockets, which makes this less painful.
(On boards where the chips are soldered in, a program which loops, storing a
word with a single 1 bit, can be used to the same effect; the chip data sheet
will tell you which pin is the data pin.)
Usually a missing chip results in bits stored in that chip reading as '0', but
it's possible they will read back as 1. Anyway, to test the first possibility,
start by finding a location in the each bank that can be written to all 0's
and all 1's (read back after writing to verify).
Next, pull a chip, and then try writing all 1's to that word in the low bank,
and read it back. If it now has a 0 bit, congratulations i) you've verified
that missing chips read as 0, ii) that chip is part of the low bank, and iii)
the 0 bit tells you which bit that chip is - fill in that entry in your
chip<->bit chart.
If not, try the high bank word, and see if it now has a 0 bit. If not, try
writing 0's to the high and low words, and check for a '1' bit; if so, i)
missing chips read as 1, etc. If neither is true, check back here!
Otherwise, try pulling another chip, and work out which bit that one is, and
add it to the chart. Repeat for all 32 chips - although if you're lucky,
after a couple you might find a pattern, and be able to predict which chips
hold which bits. (But not always; many are random; see e.g.:
http://gunkies.org/wiki/Q-RAM_11http://gunkies.org/wiki/NS23M
for some.) If so, do a few spot tests of your predictions to make sure your
pattern is correct.
With the completed chart in hand, given a failing word (address and bad
data), you can work out which chip is at fault, and replace it. Repeat
for all memory errors.
Noel
Hey Guys,
I recently picked up an MDS 6401 Key-To-Tape unit in NCR guise to park next to my keypunches. It's been in storage for a couple decades and is in pretty decent shape. Even has a tape on it from when the university that had it pulled the plug and sent it off for surplus. Found an internal date code of 1971.
The unit does actually show signs of life, but I suspect a power supply issue. Does anyone have a lead on a schematic?
This here is basically what I'm working with: http://www.thecorememory.com/NCR_C-735_-_MDS_6401_Memories.pdf
Thanks,
Cory
Can anyone here provide a pointer to info on testing vintage power
supplies? Search results on the web may eventually lead to the kind of
info that I am looking for, but I have to get through too many pages of
modern PC power supplies first.
Specifically, I will be testing the power supplies in my Sun 3/260,
which has 24V, 12V and 5V. I am wondering things like what is suitable
loads and do I need to put a load on all three or can I test them one at
a time and what I haven't thought of with regards to testing them.
alan
I've been contemplating a floppy diskette drive emulator with features to make it fit better into systems using 50-pin Shugart style floppy drive interfaces vs. the other emulators already on the market. Studying manuals for various 8" floppy diskette drives, I see that they generally provided a great deal of configurability. There are the myriad of jumper-selectable options which change drive behavior for compatibility with various computers. Then there are features like FM data separators which are present on some, but not all, drives. And then there are many documented "cut this trace, then bodge wire this signal to pin X of the edge connector" options for special purposes such as individual drive motor controls, simultaneous monitoring of all four drive ready signals, etc.
Since fully supporting all of the options I've seen documented would have real hardware cost and add complexity to the design, I'm wondering just how much of that configurability is really necessary. Which non-default options are really needed for system still in use and/or in the hands of collectors? Which were only ever provided for some obscure industrial system manufacturer, with no surviving systems in existence? Which were included just in case somebody might need them, but were never used in practice?
I'd appreciate it if anybody can provide insight into this, such as examples of systems which required non-omnipresent and/or non-default configuration options.
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Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 10:03:54 -0400
From: "Craig M." <cmook1968 at gmail.com>
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: ROLM - Dat general 1602 - AN/UYK-19 computers.
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Good Morning,
Have you ever come across a document called the
"Rolm
I/O Designers Guide?" I am working with some developers trying to
figure
out the data words and how they work on a Navy AN/UYK-19 computer.
I have some sticktime on the Eclipse machines. In going to boot camp
getting my MV4000/DC I ran into some interesting characters. One was
with DG on military sales, was visiting Groton? or another base where a
test was being conducted. The computer was suspended on wires in a
hangar and, while running, was subjected to simultaneous blows from
heavy pendulums on either side. The noise was teriffic and my friend
asked the same question, why on earth, to which the cryptic reply was
two words: Depth Charges.
Probably your USAF machine, corn field kept though it was, was designed
for service in another kind of silo, the missile kind. Those would be
projected to survive near-direct hits from megaton thermonuclear
weapons. Not to mention that no air force property is immune from
attack by all sorts of ordinance, nuclear or otherwise.
Best,
Jeff
Another note, saw an old query on the "Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A,
1602B,
1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)" thread about breaking
down
the military system designations. This website may help if you never
got an
earlier answer:
https://dsm.forecastinternational.com/wordpress/2015/05/27/whats-in-a-name-…
Thank you!
Craig Mook
This is the next list of keyboards I can bring in.
Anybody want some of this?
2 IBM 6052141
IBM 1391401 missing some keycaps
Apple M3501 nice ,no pluggable connect cable
WYSE PCE,p/n 900840-01 Din-5 connector
Data Desk Int,new/unused Din-5
Datatech SBK-100
Cadmus 00185-00 (dark grey) no plug-in connect cable
2 Chicony KB-5311 very nice Din5
Commodore KPR-E9447 unused Din 5
Honeywell 101WN unused Din-5
Keytronic KB101 Plus Din-5
Mitsumi KPQ-EA9YC looks good Din-5
Mitsumi NPQ-E99ZC-13 Din-5
HP C14058
If so, please send price offer for what you want. Shipping will be extra.
Yes, I will ship internationally.
Cindy Croxton
Electronics Plus
1613 Water Street
Kerrville, TX 78028
830-370-3239 cell
sales at elecplus.com
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Hi all --
Been working on an MSCP implementation for Joerg Hoppe's Unibone project,
and it's working well on PDP-11 systems; less well as of late on the VAX.
I've been looking to tidy up a few dark corners in the MSCP spec and one
thing that's left is bus adapter purges -- I have a pretty good grasp of
Unibus mechanics these days but I'm not quite understanding the reasoning
behind this. Here's what the Storage System Unibus Port Description
(AA-L621A-TK) document says:
"To support such higher-level protocol functions as transfer restarts,
compares, etc., the host memory interface must allow repeated access to a
given host memory location for both reads and writes. On purely Unibus
systems such as 11/44, this requirement is trivially met with no
participation by the host CPU.
On systems with bus adapters such as the 11/780, the repeated access
requirement means that the relevant adapter channel may have to be purged,
requiring the active cooperation of the host CPU. The port signals its
desire for an adapter channel purge by interrupting the host. The host
writes zeroes to the SA register to indicate purge completion."
This is also discussed, from the bus adapter point of view, in the
technical documentation for the bus adapter itself. (See
http://www.vaxhaven.com/images/2/29/EK-DW780-TD-001.pdf) It hasn't been
particularly enlightening to me, but I will admit to not having read every
page of this and the DW780 doc -- maybe I missed something :).
I understand the mechanism here; in essence it's:
1) MSCP controller decides a purge is necessary after a DMA transfer and
requests one by setting a value in a reserved slot in the communications
area
2) Host system (MSCP driver) sees the special value, and issues a purge
command to the bus adapter.
3) Host system then clears the value in the communications area
4) MSCP controller continues on its merry way.
What I do not understand is (a) why such purges are necessary, and (b) how
the MSCP controller knows when one should occur. The Port Description doc
hints that it has to do with repeated access to a given area of memory.
The DW780 documentation hints that it needs to happen after *any* block
transfer. (See pg. 2-58 of the document linked above.)
Anyone have any experience with this?
Thanks!
Josh
Good Morning,
Have you ever come across a document called the "Rolm
I/O Designers Guide?" I am working with some developers trying to figure
out the data words and how they work on a Navy AN/UYK-19 computer.
Another note, saw an old query on the "Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B,
1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)" thread about breaking down
the military system designations. This website may help if you never got an
earlier answer:
https://dsm.forecastinternational.com/wordpress/2015/05/27/whats-in-a-name-…
Thank you!
Craig Mook
5287534 "Correcting Crossover Distortion Produced When Analog Signal Thresholds Are Used To Remove Noise From Signal"
It describes the DEC CXM04 board for the DS550 communications server, which inserts itself between an IBM establishment
controller and a control unit (coax) terminal so the CUT can pretend it's a serial terminal to VAXen without dropping
the polled connection to the IBM mainframe.
weird..
Hi,
For historical reasons (I'm starting to plan my VCF East 2020 exhibit) I'd
like to get real ATV Research PXV-2A Pixie-Verter. I know that there were a
lot of other RF modulators out there (I have a SUP "R" MOD II (that I might
trade)) but I want this one in particular. Various S-100 boards and other
vintage computer hardware available for trade or cash if necessary.
Thanks,
Bill Sudbrink
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It is available for free to be collected in north Dublin, 5 miles from
Dublin port.
It is also about to be scrapped, so urgent action is required.
Please contact ronan.scaife at dcu.ie.
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My Sun 3/260 came with a pair of 8-inch SMD disks in a separate cabinet.
1. Anyone have a pointer to docs that describe cabling and configuring
SMD disks? My Google-fu has failed here.
2. The system came with no cables (external cables between cabinets).
Are these standard cables or will they be Sun-specific?
3. The system "ran when parked" about a dozen years ago, but it was left
in an open barn after that. How likely is it that the disks will work
and be readable? One is a Fujitsu M2333; don't recall what they other
one is.
alan