Pioneer's engineering for their digital products was in Torrance I think.? We dealt with a rep and I ended up with one of their 3 x 6 pack 18 disc changer boxes.? But they would not part with anything at all useful.? The only document I ever pried out of them was how to make my fancy SCSI digital player play audio disks.? Which is mostly what I used it for. The 18 disk changer had all sorts of fancy commands, but only one engineering release of drivers in the 98 (I think) days.? They had no use for SCO Unix and considered any other such later systems as toys or not worth their time. Needless to say telling them and having their Rep who was a friend pound on them about the attitude went nowhere as did the product. The typical management most places other than Tandberg and to some extent Teac was that such outcomes were due to lack of marketing interest, despite a number of people saying they were interested if they could get info and write drivers. None of the information would have enabled any competitor to discern any secrets, and would have helped were they all to standardize their tricks. FWIW IIRC the drivers and software for windows that was release only allowed you to automate playing songs from disks thru the audio out on the deck.? They had the capability to rip or read and play thru windows or stream (were someone to get to more than one cd) at the time, but the powers that be didn't care. I have 2 of the 6 channel internal ones, one of the single 6 pack units and one of the 3 x 6 pack units.? I think NEC made the one which stores the cds internally and spits them out.? Pioneer had the 6 pack gizmo. thanks Jim On 9/28/2019 6:43 AM, Adrian Stoness via cctech wrote: