test-drb July 2020

test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org

148 participants
104 discussions

by paulkoning＠comcast.net

I recently brought home a VT510 that has been sitting in my office, rescued from a lab from way back when it was a DEC office (ZKO). Unfortunately, when I plug it in and push the power switch, nothing happens. Rather than just open it up and poke, I was hoping others here might have some experience with that model. Are the schematics anywhere? Not on Bitsavers as far as I can see. Are other terminals at all similar? The newest schematic I see is for the VT340. It would be nice to get the terminal working again. Alternatively, a wild idea would be to use the CRT in place of the "screen fungus" infested VR201 CRT I would like to repair. Any chance of that working? paul

4 years

Any interest in "newer" hardware, software?

by boris＠summitclinic.com

Mike: Just looked in more detail at photographs of my notes in drive box and appears I did verify that drive motor worked in 1987. Project to get this drive connected to my C64 got derailed by my being accepted to medical school a couple of months after my last interaction with that drive. Was somewhat surprised to discover that 8" floppy drive as I thought the Vic20 box had my other TI99 computer which might have been lost at some point in last 30 years and multiple moves. Never had a chance to try reading an 8" PDP-11 floppy in it and no longer have any as all of them went to Glen Slick in 2008 when he got my MINC and related hardware. There was an interesting computer surplus store in Seattle that I no longer recall name of, but one of landmarks was a company that sold Buffalo Wipes nearby. Unfortunately places like this no longer exist and remember it being crammed full of various bits of electronics that would have to be lifted out of way to see what was buried underneath. Easy to spend a day in there poking around. Everything was as-is and often just good for parts. Location you've specified as a means of transferring drive a good one and a short drive >from Kamloops and one I like doing but unfortunately limited to Canadian side of border now. Did run across a couple of 80486 boards today and must have played with them as found some 80 Mb HDD's in same box. One was fully loaded with about 8 Mb of RAM! Boris >A lot of the younger collectors are spending >ridiculous amounts of money on 486 & Pentium >class machines on assorted facebook vintage and >retro groups. I don't get it either, but >everyone has their fetishes and I try not to >judge. Parted out you can possibly get a couple >hundred bucks out of a machine if you get lucky. > >I personally might be interested in an 8" floppy >drive, mainly to show my coworkers, some of whom >didn't know such things existed. I'm also >vaguely interested in one of the PDP 11/23s, but >I know it's already been vetoed by my wife >without even asking. ???? Any VT100-compatible >terminals in the stash you'd be willing to part with? > >I'm down in Seattle, and occasionally get up >that way while camping, but this year you might >as well be on the moon. Maybe we could arrange >to meet on the border near Oroville and Osoyoos, >and you can throw them across the border. > >-mike > >-----Original Message----- >From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> On >Behalf Of Boris Gimbarzevsky via cctalk >Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 11:36 PM >To: cctalk at classiccmp.org >Subject: Any interest in "newer" hardware, software? > >Have been going through my shop and storage room >trying to see what can get rid of and wasn't >aware of how much old electronics and computers >have accumulated over last 50 years. Should >note that this process has been at insistance of >my wife as a lot of these boxes just got moved >whenever I moved and much of this stuff haven't looked at for decades. > >Was about to toss a 1987 box containing DOS 3.3 >but then figured someone might want it. Have a >couple of XT systems kicking around somewhere >but in 1987 I'd discovered the Mac and >considered 68000 processor a far superior >architecture as it was an easy transition from >someone who'd spent most of their time >programming on a PDP-11. Also have early Mac >software, hundreds of 3.5" disks which are >primarily taking up space and all of them have >been copied to HDD's and now run my Mac code >under Basilisk2 was faster than it used to run >on my MacIIvx (of which I have a couple). > >Also managed to find, in no particular order, a >couple of C64's, a TI99, ZX81, VIC20 and an 8" >floppy drive with full documentation that I >faintly recall buying at a surplus electronics >place in Seattle. Also found a box of old >Univac cards which appear to be DTL with >individual transistors and then go on to having >DTL IC's as well as some old IBM cards. Used to >pull transistors and diodes off these to build >my own circuits 50 years ago. Now, with storage >being so ridiculously cheap haven't even come >close to making a dent in the capacity of a 256 >Gb SD card in my Samsung S8 handheld >supercomputer of which I'm using the camera >function to create high res images of what I'm going through. > >Also have lots of PC motherboards starting with >XT's and progressing upwards. Never liked 80286 >and so only collected from 80386 and >higher. Seem to have lots of various parallel >port adapters, disk interfaces as well as >parallel and serial port boards. Was planning >on using these as dedicated processors for data >acquisition but found that technology progressed >faster than my getting around to use them and >it's a lot simpler to either use Phidget's SBC >with various sensors for environmental >monitoring or a much less power hungry Parallax >Propellar chip for more demanding data >acquisition applications. (Haven't let my wife >know how many of newer systems I have stashed >away but they take up way less room than old hardware). > >Do also have a couple of PDP 11/23 systems which >I'll probably have to part with as I haven't >used then in last 15 years. Also have a number >of unibus boards which haven't run into yet but >won't be using them. Lots of old computer books >as well which would be nice to keep but likely >have most of documentation in digital form and >usually back up all important pdf files to separate drives. > >The PC stuff is most voluminous and, if there's >any interest, can post images of what I have on >my web site. Only components I've tested are >disk drives of which most work but SCSI drives >are all old and a number of them didn't take >kindly to be powered off after running for years >and being moved from Vancouver to Kamloops. > >Boris Gimbarzevsky

4 years

Adventures online

by 821＠128.ca

Almost all InfoCom adventure games now online running on a mainframe! Telnet to 35.209.67.107 (guest/guest1) and play text mode adventure games on a mainframe https://twitter.com/bmoshix/status/1285905078373814273/photo/1

4 years

Altair 8800 reproduction

by stephen.m.pereira.sr＠gmail.com

I had the same confusion about Mike?s Altair 8800c not being a complete kit, and wondering what it would take to ?upgrade? my Altair 8800 Clone to be a real Altair 8800c a bit more than a year ago. I ended up not finding very much assistance at the time, so I bulled my way through it, and got it done using the info and pointers from Mike?s site. Another time someone asked about this I posted my experience on the VCF. See this: http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?69929-Altair-8800-clone-cost-to-b… <http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?69929-Altair-8800-clone-cost-to-b…> Mike?s original topic on VCF is here: http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?66737-Building-and-Altair-8800-fr… The bottom line is that you *can* get it done with the info and pointers that Mike provides on his site. He is also reachable on the VCF and also by telephone. He is tremendously helpful and will answer any questions that you may have. smp - - - Stephen Pereira Bedford, NH 03110 KB1SXE > On Jul 24, 2020, at 1:00 PM, cctech-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > > > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:15:34 +0800 > From: Tom Hunter <ccth6600 at gmail.com> > To: Greg Beat <gregory.beat at gmail.com> > Cc: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Altair 8800 reproduction > Message-ID: > <CAALEduAsERN897fBN8rDCqt_mN6wHc2J8qSDzYyhfU2CibmiJQ at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi Greg, > > I saw Mike Douglas' Altair 8800c but he writes on his website that this is > not a complete kit. I got the impression that he offers only the front > panel PCBs, FDC and SIO and maybe the S100 motherboard. > > Thank you for the link to the S100computers group. There is a lot of useful > info there. > > I am retired now and always wanted an Altair 8800. It is time to make that > dream reality. The easiest and more affordable path would be the Altair > 8800 clone but somehow I am more attracted to the non-emulated > implementation. > > Thanks again > Tom Hunter > > > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 3:02 AM Greg Beat <gregory.beat at gmail.com> wrote: > >> ?Tom, >> Grant moved shortly after this Kit offering, over a decade ago. >> That kit is OVER (Grant no longer offering). >> >> Participate in the S100computers Group: http://www.s100computers.com/ >> Join the List at Google Group: S100Computers >> https://groups.google.com <https://groups.google.com/my-groups> >> >> Grant special ordered the metal fabrication, at that time, from the >> original metal fabricators (Optima, $$), who have gone thru mergers & >> off-shoring. >> Mike Douglas looked into that chassis possibility ? but was cost >> prohibitive (>$300). >> >> Mike Douglas offers BOTH the Altair Clone (you referenced) AND >> the Altair 8800c Kits (November 2018). This case he had fabricated is a >> close look-a-like, but Lighter in weight. Still the case alone is $300 . >> This case does not have the internal Optima sub chassis (weight) and rails. >> ?https://deramp.com/altair_8800c.html >> >> Suggest you look at Mike?s multiple vintage computer offerings (web site) >> AND >> https://deramp.com/ >> >> His YouTube Videos (deramp5113). Here is the Altair 8800c, shown November >> 2018 >> https://youtu.be/Q5LjkL5b4n8 >> >> greg >> w9gb >> == >> From: Tom Hunter <ccth6600 at gmail.com> >> To: "General Discussion? <cctalk at classiccmp.org> >> Subject: Altair 8800 reproduction >> >> About 10 years ago Grant Stockly in Anchorage Alaska produced high quality >> MITS Altair 8800 reproductions in kit form. The website still exists: >> http://www.altairkit.com/ >> >> I have tried to contact Grant but did not get a reply. Does anyone know if >> these kits are still available? Is Grant on this forum? >> >> Alternatively is somebody else making complete Altair 8800 kits? I have >> found people making individual boards but not a complete kit. >> >> There is also the Altair 8800 clone which is based on a PIC microcontroller >> emulating the entire original Altair 8800. It is cute but not the real >> thing. >> >> Thanks >> Tom Hunter >> >> Sent from iPad Air >>

4 years

IBM 3194 VDU (WTB/pinout).

by andrew＠carrierdetect.com

I have an IBM 3194 base unit and keyboard, but no monitor. Hence would like to try and source a suitable monitor and any suggestions on this front would be appreciated. Failing which, also considering the possibility of using some other non-original monitor, but not sure what the interface (15-pin D type, but standard density) is and pinout etc. Also potentially interested in offers of other 3270 displays (off-list). Cheers, Andrew

4 years

cctalk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 22

by athornton＠gmail.com

If it's actually running on real z hardware Linux is probably already running under z/VM. If it's running on Hercules, then....OK, but the host system could have handled the Infocom games without ever even blinking. But I've been known to do silly emulation tricks too: https://www.fsf.net/~adam/NT-on-390-desktop.png Adam On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:00 AM <cctalk-request at classiccmp.org> wrote: > Send cctalk mailing list submissions to > cctalk at classiccmp.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cctalk-request at classiccmp.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cctalk-owner at classiccmp.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of cctalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: AlphaServer 2100s available (Rob Jarratt) > 2. Re: AlphaServer 2100s available (Antonio Carlini) > 3. Adventures online (821 at 128.ca) > 4. Looking for copy of BASIC ROM for HP 3396B Integrator II > (Martin.Hepperle at dlr.de) > 5. RE: Adventures online (Ali) > 6. Re: Adventures online (Kevin Lee) > 7. RE: Adventures online (Ali) > 8. Re: Adventures online (Kevin Monceaux) > 9. Re: Adventures online (Kevin Lee) > 10. RE: AlphaServer 2100s available (Rob Jarratt) > 11. HP3000 Microcode is in SYSDUMP (backup) for WCS machines > (64,68,70, 37,...) (Rodney Brown) > 12. Re: Adventures online (Doug Jackson) > 13. Re: Adventures online (Chris Zach) > 14. Re: Adventures online (Chuck Guzis) > 15. Re: Getting files off a 7300--Mission accomplished > (David Gesswein) > 16. Re: Getting files off a 7300--Mission accomplished > (David Gesswein) > 17. Re: Getting files off a 7300--Mission accomplished (Chris Zach) > 18. Re: Adventures online (Grant Taylor) > 19. Altair 8800 reproduction (Tom Hunter) > 20. Re: Altair 8800 reproduction (Bill Degnan) > 21. Re: Adventures online (Grant Taylor) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:40:13 +0100 > From: "Rob Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> > To: "'Dave Wade'" <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>, "'General Discussion: > On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>, > <antonio at acarlini.com>, "'Antonio Carlini'" < > a.carlini at ntlworld.com> > Subject: RE: AlphaServer 2100s available > Message-ID: <00c101d66057$89b6fb20$9d24f160$(a)ntlworld.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I would like to come to see it when you get it Dave. I wish I could take > one too, I wonder if I could make room as the dimensions don't seem *that* > huge. > > Regards > > Rob > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> On Behalf Of Dave Wade via > > cctalk > > Sent: 21 July 2020 22:16 > > To: antonio at acarlini.com; 'Antonio Carlini' <a.carlini at ntlworld.com>; > 'General > > Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > > Subject: RE: AlphaServer 2100s available > > > > Antonio, > > Happy to take one. Can collect. Be a nice companion for VAX and IBM P390. > > Keep hearing of Alphas but nothing has appeared. > > Dave > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> On Behalf Of Antonio > > > Carlini via cctalk > > > Sent: 21 July 2020 20:58 > > > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > > > Subject: AlphaServer 2100s available > > > > > > I have three AlphaServer 2100 systems in storage in the UK > (Oxfordshire). > > > The storage, however, is due to be demolished (soon, but no fixed > date). > > > > > > > > > I won't have room to store these three systems, so if anyone would be > > > interested in offering them a home, then please get in touch! > > > > > > > > > I can probably get some pictures in the next day or two. > > > > > > > > > These systems were SMP Alphas and could sport as many as 4 CPUs. I'm > > > not sure of the configuration of these systems but I can probably find > > > that out soon. > > > > > > They have not been run since ~2003 so they may be in need of some TLC. > > > OTOH they are not rusted to death so you have a chance of getting them > > > back to life. > > > > > > > > > Just so you know what you might be dealing with these systems are > about: > > > 700mm H x 430mm W x 810mm L. > > > > > > > > > I can't find the weight in any of my references right now but they are > > > very heavy. Three people can move them up a slight slope with some > > > effort but you would not successfully lift it into a car (assuming > > > that it would fit). I'm planning to dismantle them to move them (i.e. > > > remove PSU/PSUs etc. until they are light enough to move). A tail-lift > > > would probably be the sane way to go (and is, indeed, how they got to > > > their current location. > > > > > > > > > I'm hoping that someone can step forward and offer one or more of > > > these machines a new home. Please contact me off-list (once you're > > > sure you understand what you are getting into :-)). > > > > > > > > > Antonio > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Antonio Carlini > > > antonio at acarlini.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:23:38 +0100 > From: Antonio Carlini <a.carlini at ntlworld.com> > To: rob at jarratt.me.uk, 'Dave Wade' <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>, "'General > Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org > >, > antonio at acarlini.com > Subject: Re: AlphaServer 2100s available > Message-ID: <8eabc8e8-a1d7-c626-e252-7aa7a8f9176a at ntlworld.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > On 22/07/2020 19:40, Rob Jarratt wrote: > > I would like to come to see it when you get it Dave. I wish I could take > one too, I wonder if I could make room as the dimensions don't seem *that* > huge. > > > > Regards > > > Smaller than a VAX-11/780 or? a VAX 6000 or a VAX 7000. So yes, pretty > small :-) > > > The systems are now all provisionally spoken for. I can still try and > get some photos etc. of the various innards. > > > Antonio > > > -- > Antonio Carlini > antonio at acarlini.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 21:52:14 +0200 > From: 821 at 128.ca > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Subject: Adventures online > Message-ID: <89C93C5F-E5DD-448A-80FC-71BA18326F94 at 128.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Almost all InfoCom adventure games now online running on a mainframe! > Telnet to 35.209.67.107 (guest/guest1) and play text mode adventure games > on a mainframe > > https://twitter.com/bmoshix/status/1285905078373814273/photo/1 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 14:19:45 +0000 > From: <Martin.Hepperle at dlr.de> > To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Looking for copy of BASIC ROM for HP 3396B Integrator II > Message-ID: <aa1e9dd115a349459386774e391fca93 at dlr.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Recently, I obtained a HP 3396B Integrator II. > > This is a device for the chemical analysis laboratory. I had hoped that > this device contained a BASIC interpreter, but this was not the case. > > Through the serial interface I can connect a terminal program. Pressing > CTRL+BREAK outputs the sign-on message serial interface: > ~~HP3396,IBLI > > Unfortunately, typing "BX" for "Basic eXternal" on the keyboard tells me: > BASIC NOT INSTALLED > > So I am wondering, whether I can install a BASIC by replacing the ROM with > an EPROM. > > According to the "Installation and Service Manual", the ROM U 110 came in > two versions: > Z-80 Standard-ROM 03396-80012 > Z-80 BASIC-ROM 03396-80032 > This means that the BASIC is NOT in the cradled EPROM but in the ROM in > the lower right corner of the PCB. > My ROM 80013 is probably an revision of 80012. > > So: I need a copy of the 03396-80032 ROM chip. > > > Additionally, if someone has the manual "RS232 Programming Manual", P/N > 03396-90335", for the 3396 integrator. it would be great if he could scan > the document and make the content available. > > [I have the remaining manuals and already sent scans to the HP Museum in > Australia for making them available o their site. > > Main PCB: > +----------------+ +----------------+ > | PPP EPROM | | U 111 | > | 27C011-200V10 | | 27C010-150V10 | > | 03396-80106 | | 03396-80023 | > +----------------+ +----------------+ > > +----------------+ +----------------+ > | U 317 | | U 110 | > | 27128A | | ROM | > | 03396-80043 | | 03396-80013 | > +----------------+ +----------------+ > > Opening the Case > - remove transparent cover from printer compartment by pressing the hinge > flaps inside > - remove 2 screws close to rear edge, from top > - remove 2 screws in printer compartment from top > - remove keyboard: > - keyboard is "hinged" at the front with three rigid noses > - use a pry tool to open the 3 latches at the rear edge of the keyboard > plate > - lift the rear edge and pull the plate back > - if you are careful, the ribbon cable can stay in place, you can thread > the keyboard plate through the case opening > - lift case cover upwards > > > > Thank you for reading, > > Martin > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 13:37:52 -0700 > From: "Ali" <cctalk at ibm51xx.net> > To: <821 at 128.ca>, "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: RE: Adventures online > Message-ID: <005b01d66067$f9b428c0$ed1c7a40$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Almost all InfoCom adventure games now online running on a mainframe! > > Telnet to 35.209.67.107 (guest/guest1) and play text mode adventure > > games on a mainframe > > > > https://twitter.com/bmoshix/status/1285905078373814273/photo/1 > > > Too popular for its own good. Currently failing due to a lack of memory. > > -Ali > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 22:51:02 +0200 > From: Kevin Lee <821 at 128.ca> > To: Ali <cctalk at ibm51xx.net>, "General Discussion: On-Topic and > Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Adventures online > Message-ID: <E6B117CD-3917-4E23-93CF-C1B1E66A8B78 at 128.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Well still glad its getting used :) > cheers > > > > On 22 Jul 2020, at 22:37, Ali via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > >> Almost all InfoCom adventure games now online running on a mainframe! > >> Telnet to 35.209.67.107 (guest/guest1) and play text mode adventure > >> games on a mainframe > >> > >> https://twitter.com/bmoshix/status/1285905078373814273/photo/1 > > > > > > Too popular for its own good. Currently failing due to a lack of memory. > > > > -Ali > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 13:52:10 -0700 > From: "Ali" <cctalk at ibm51xx.net> > To: "'Kevin Lee'" <821 at 128.ca>, "'General Discussion: On-Topic and > Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: RE: Adventures online > Message-ID: <006201d66069$f8bfa4b0$ea3eee10$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Well still glad its getting used :) > > cheers > > > So am I except I want to use it as well LOL! > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 16:15:57 -0500 > From: Kevin Monceaux <Kevin at RawFedDogs.net> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <CCTalk at ClassicCmp.org> > Subject: Re: Adventures online > Message-ID: <20200722211557.GA12684 at RawFedDogs.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 09:52:14PM +0200, 821--- via cctalk wrote: > > > Almost all InfoCom adventure games now online running on a mainframe! > > Telnet to 35.209.67.107 (guest/guest1) and play text mode adventure games > > on a mainframe > > > > https://twitter.com/bmoshix/status/1285905078373814273/photo/1 > > What make/model mainframe are they running on, and what OS is it running? > > > -- > > Kevin > http://www.RawFedDogs.net > http://www.Lassie.xyz > http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org > Bruceville, TX > > What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! > Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 23:50:06 +0200 > From: Kevin Lee <821 at 128.ca> > To: "Kevin at rawfeddogs.net" <Kevin at RawFedDogs.net>, "General > Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Adventures online > Message-ID: <F033CC41-2932-42B8-9549-DF0ADE4B384E at 128.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Ask the tweet included in the initial posting.. > I have nothing to do with it .. cheers > > > > On 22 Jul 2020, at 23:15, Kevin Monceaux via cctalk < > cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 09:52:14PM +0200, 821--- via cctalk wrote: > > > >> Almost all InfoCom adventure games now online running on a mainframe! > >> Telnet to 35.209.67.107 (guest/guest1) and play text mode adventure > games > >> on a mainframe > >> > >> https://twitter.com/bmoshix/status/1285905078373814273/photo/1 > > > > What make/model mainframe are they running on, and what OS is it running? > > > > > > -- > > > > Kevin > > http://www.RawFedDogs.net > > http://www.Lassie.xyz > > http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org > > Bruceville, TX > > > > What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! > > Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 23:34:03 +0100 > From: "Rob Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> > To: <antonio at acarlini.com>, <rob at jarratt.me.uk>, "'Dave Wade'" > <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>, "'General Discussion: On-Topic and > Off-Topic > Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: RE: AlphaServer 2100s available > Message-ID: <00e001d66078$33eeac30$9bcc0490$(a)ntlworld.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Well I suppose the important thing is that they have been spoken for. > Hopefully I will get to see Dave's in action. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Antonio Carlini <a.carlini at ntlworld.com> > > Sent: 22 July 2020 20:24 > > To: rob at jarratt.me.uk; 'Dave Wade' <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>; 'General > > Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' <cctalk at classiccmp.org>; > > antonio at acarlini.com > > Subject: Re: AlphaServer 2100s available > > > > On 22/07/2020 19:40, Rob Jarratt wrote: > > > I would like to come to see it when you get it Dave. I wish I could > take one > > too, I wonder if I could make room as the dimensions don't seem *that* > huge. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Smaller than a VAX-11/780 or a VAX 6000 or a VAX 7000. So yes, pretty > small :- > > ) > > > > > > The systems are now all provisionally spoken for. I can still try and > > get some photos etc. of the various innards. > > > > > > Antonio > > > > > > -- > > Antonio Carlini > > antonio at acarlini.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 09:09:50 +1000 > From: Rodney Brown <rdbrown0au at gmail.com> > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Subject: HP3000 Microcode is in SYSDUMP (backup) for WCS machines > (64,68,70, 37,...) > Message-ID: <d4f4a716-0271-e089-9937-9c52f3a6380f at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > If written on a Series 64, 68 or 70, or on the Series 37 or it's > successors, > the first file on a SYSDUMP (Backup) tape may include the Microcode from > the > WCS (Writeable Control Store). Please collect such files if you have tapes > available that you can read. > > Note that the first file includes a concatenation of system objects, > ending with > (optionally) the directory so that may leak data that should remain > private. > > It's possible that the distribution tape for MPE V Release 3P G.40 that the > HP Computer Museum has http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?sw=442 > might > also include the WCS data. The bootable disc image for the Series 37 and > it's > successors will. The Museum website doesn't mention media for their 68. > > Thanks as always to Al Kossow for his BitSavers work. > > 30140-90045_Series_64_68_70_Microcode_Manual_Oct86.pdf > has a 543 page listing of the microcode assembly output, which should > wait for > better OCR software. > > SYSDUMP Format > > ? |-------------------------| <--- ENTRY POINT #1 (ROM BASED > ? |????? CHECKSUM?????????? | 0??? MACHINES) > ? |? AMIGO CHANNEL PROGRAM? | > --|??? WCS TABLE PRT??????? | 95 > | |-------------------------| 127 > | |--???????????????????? --| > | |--?? AMIGO???????????? --| > | |-------------------------| > ->|???? WCS TABLE?????????? | > | |-------------------------| > > ... > G.01.00 > 16- 10 > > 32033-90010_MPE_V-E_Tables_G.00.00_Sep84.pdf? 16-7? pg 127 in PDF > 32033-90040_MPE_V-E_Tables_G.01.00_Jan85.pdf? 16-10 pg 133 in PDF > 32033-91047_MPE_V_Tables_Manual_Oct1991.pdf?? 16-10 pg 146 in PDF > Descriptions of the WCS Table Format are in 16-13 to 16-15 of the 1991 > edition > Different formats for the Series 6x/70 and the Series 37, 37XP and 37 Micro > > #Capture of Co-Cam's Series 52 final full backup (SYSDUMP @. at .@) in Feb > 1995. > (So no WCS table entry) > # 0 is the first file on the tape, the start of which is documented above > > $ od -Ad --endian=big -tx2 0 | head - 40 > 0000000 e0e0 0000 0009 0813 0909 0301 0003 0000 > 0000016 0400 0e41 0180 0002 0501 0000 0000 fff5 > 0000032 0401 0001 0000 0400 0e43 0200 0000 0501 > 0000048 0000 0000 ffea 0300 007e 0440 8000 0200 > 0000064 0000 0002 0000 fff1 0407 0001 0000 4400 > 0000080 0e43 0302 0002 0000 0400 0e40 0200 0000 > 0000096 0501 0000 f38d ffd1 0000 0000 0000 0000 > 0000112 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 > * > 0000176 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0001 > 0000192 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 > * > 0000256 0000 0000 0009 0813 0909 0301 0003 0000 > 0000272 0400 0201 0180 0002 0401 002e 0001 8800 > 0000288 0204 0f07 0000 0200 0000 0501 0000 0000 > 0000304 ffec 0000 fff1 0401 0001 0000 0400 0203 > 0000320 0200 0000 0501 0000 0000 ffdf 0300 0100 > 0000336 0440 8000 0e40 0000 0002 0000 fff1 0407 > 0000352 0001 0000 4400 0203 0302 0002 0000 0400 > 0000368 0200 0200 0000 0501 0000 0c02 ffc6 0000 > 0000384 0000 002d 0000 0000 0000 002d 0000 0000 > * > 0000416 000a 0000 f000 000c 000b 0016 f000 0017 > 0000432 000b 000b f000 0022 000b 0000 f000 0000 > 0000448 0000 002d 0000 0000 0000 002d 0000 0000 > * > 0000624 0000 002d 0000 0000 0000 002d 0000 3238 > 0000640 3333 4120 2020 0000 1820 0000 1000 15d8 > 0000656 2eb4 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 > 0000672 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 > ... > > $ head -20 blks/0.blks # tape block sizes in bytes > 256 > 126 > 256 * 2 > 8192 * 6 > 256 > 8192 * 2 > 256 > 126 > 256 > 8192 * 10 > 256 > 8192 * 10 > 256 > 8192 * 10 > 256 > 96 > 2910 > 80 > 24 > > $ ls -lh 0 > -r-xr-xr-x 1 rdb rdb 3.5M Dec 12? 2006 0 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 12:35:33 +1000 > From: Doug Jackson <doug at doughq.com> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Adventures online > Message-ID: > <CAM_9E60RKe-D8ynRrNL= > op+HnKvor24cDmtG1JQtn6VSUCGjog at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Sadly, the original tweet doesn't mention what mainframe - Somebody did > ask, and there was no response I could see. > > The error messages suggest it's some sort of Linux system using Docker > containers, so it's not OS/360 :-) > > I suspect given that it's running out of memory, that it's yet another > linux box. > > > > Kindest regards, > > Doug Jackson > > em: doug at doughq.com > ph: 0414 986878 > > Check out my awesome clocks at www.dougswordclocks.com > Follow my amateur radio adventures at vk1zdj.net > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Just like an old fashioned letter, this email and any files transmitted > with it should probably be treated as confidential and intended solely for > your own use. > > Please note that any interesting spelling is usually my own and may have > been caused by fat thumbs on a tiny tiny keyboard. > > Should any part of this message prove to be useful in the event of the > imminent Zombie Apocalypse then the sender bears no personal, legal, or > moral responsibility for any outcome resulting from its usage unless the > result of said usage is the unlikely defeat of the Zombie Hordes in which > case the sender takes full credit without any theoretical or actual legal > liability. :-) > > Be nice to your parents. > > Go outside and do something awesome - Draw, paint, walk, setup a > radio station, go fishing or sailing - just do something that makes you > happy. > > ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G- In more laid back days this line would literally > sing ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G > > > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:50 AM Kevin Lee via cctalk < > cctalk at classiccmp.org> > wrote: > > > Ask the tweet included in the initial posting.. > > I have nothing to do with it .. cheers > > > > > > > On 22 Jul 2020, at 23:15, Kevin Monceaux via cctalk < > > cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 09:52:14PM +0200, 821--- via cctalk wrote: > > > > > >> Almost all InfoCom adventure games now online running on a mainframe! > > >> Telnet to 35.209.67.107 (guest/guest1) and play text mode adventure > > games > > >> on a mainframe > > >> > > >> https://twitter.com/bmoshix/status/1285905078373814273/photo/1 > > > > > > What make/model mainframe are they running on, and what OS is it > running? > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Kevin > > > http://www.RawFedDogs.net > > > http://www.Lassie.xyz > > > http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org > > > Bruceville, TX > > > > > > What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! > > > Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 22:52:14 -0400 > From: Chris Zach <cz at alembic.crystel.com> > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Adventures online > Message-ID: <6ae549f7-011e-8c1b-4858-769d427ba4c8 at alembic.crystel.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Just put up a big pdp11 and be done with it. Hm. Running on Simh a fully > loaded 11 should handle just about anything the internet could toss at > it... > > C > > On 7/22/2020 10:35 PM, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote: > > Sadly, the original tweet doesn't mention what mainframe - Somebody did > > ask, and there was no response I could see. > > > > The error messages suggest it's some sort of Linux system using Docker > > containers, so it's not OS/360 :-) > > > > I suspect given that it's running out of memory, that it's yet another > > linux box. > > > > > > > > Kindest regards, > > > > Doug Jackson > > > > em: doug at doughq.com > > ph: 0414 986878 > > > > Check out my awesome clocks at www.dougswordclocks.com > > Follow my amateur radio adventures at vk1zdj.net > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Just like an old fashioned letter, this email and any files transmitted > > with it should probably be treated as confidential and intended solely > for > > your own use. > > > > Please note that any interesting spelling is usually my own and may have > > been caused by fat thumbs on a tiny tiny keyboard. > > > > Should any part of this message prove to be useful in the event of the > > imminent Zombie Apocalypse then the sender bears no personal, legal, or > > moral responsibility for any outcome resulting from its usage unless the > > result of said usage is the unlikely defeat of the Zombie Hordes in which > > case the sender takes full credit without any theoretical or actual legal > > liability. :-) > > > > Be nice to your parents. > > > > Go outside and do something awesome - Draw, paint, walk, setup a > > radio station, go fishing or sailing - just do something that makes you > > happy. > > > > ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G- In more laid back days this line would literally > > sing ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:50 AM Kevin Lee via cctalk < > cctalk at classiccmp.org> > > wrote: > > > >> Ask the tweet included in the initial posting.. > >> I have nothing to do with it .. cheers > >> > >> > >>> On 22 Jul 2020, at 23:15, Kevin Monceaux via cctalk < > >> cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 09:52:14PM +0200, 821--- via cctalk wrote: > >>> > >>>> Almost all InfoCom adventure games now online running on a mainframe! > >>>> Telnet to 35.209.67.107 (guest/guest1) and play text mode adventure > >> games > >>>> on a mainframe > >>>> > >>>> https://twitter.com/bmoshix/status/1285905078373814273/photo/1 > >>> > >>> What make/model mainframe are they running on, and what OS is it > running? > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> Kevin > >>> http://www.RawFedDogs.net > >>> http://www.Lassie.xyz > >>> http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org > >>> Bruceville, TX > >>> > >>> What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! > >>> Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum. > >> > >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:42:58 -0700 > From: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> > To: Chris Zach via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Adventures online > Message-ID: <5f853e65-1d98-cdca-78c5-1cb9f7c865b2 at sydex.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > On 7/22/20 7:52 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > > Just put up a big pdp11 and be done with it. > > A PDP11 might be a "mainframe" (personally, I'd call it a minicomputer), > but in the world of mainframes, it's hardly "big". > > FWIW, > Chuck > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:38:20 -0400 > From: David Gesswein <djg at pdp8online.com> > To: cctech at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Getting files off a 7300--Mission accomplished > Message-ID: <20200722223820.GA4802 at hugin3> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 05:12:10PM -0400, Chris Zach wrote: > > Working on it. Question: Was the 67mb drive in a 7300/3B1 a miniscribe > 6085? > > > Yes it was. http://www.pdp8online.com/3b1/drive.shtml > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:54:30 -0400 > From: David Gesswein <djg at pdp8online.com> > To: cctech at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Getting files off a 7300--Mission accomplished > Message-ID: <20200722225430.GB4802 at hugin3> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 11:58:01AM -0700, Ian Finder wrote: > > I may be able to track down floppies for 7300 TCP, if we can confirm it > is > > extinct in the wild... > > > It may exist but is wounded. > > https://archives.loomcom.com/retrocomputing/UnixPC/Install/standardized/eth… > > All the 10S disks seem to have been read in a way that only got 9 sectors > per track so are no good. The ethernet_hardware_diag.dd is bad. The files > are in multiple locations on this site but any 10S image thats not 404480 > is > bad. > > Manual is here > https://archives.loomcom.com/retrocomputing/UnixPC/3B1_Docs/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:22:12 -0400 > From: Chris Zach <cz at alembic.crystel.com> > To: cctech at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Getting files off a 7300--Mission accomplished > Message-ID: <fa6e0648-a9a6-8dd6-36af-42dc43e5d98b at alembic.crystel.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hm. Then I have a dillema. When I popped in the Miniscribe and tried > booting it started reading the disk then popped out a boot error. > Possibly a bad sector, but how can I read this disk to find the rest of > the data? > > Hm.... Anyone got one of those Beaglebone/RPI to MFM readers I could > borrow for a bit to slurp this drive? > > C > > On 7/22/2020 6:38 PM, David Gesswein via cctech wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 05:12:10PM -0400, Chris Zach wrote: > >> Working on it. Question: Was the 67mb drive in a 7300/3B1 a miniscribe > 6085? > >> > > Yes it was. http://www.pdp8online.com/3b1/drive.shtml > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 23:32:41 -0600 > From: Grant Taylor <cctalk at gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net> > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Adventures online > Message-ID: > <35e88690-9ada-e57b-281e-cbfdbfc54d71 at gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > On 7/22/20 8:35 PM, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote: > > Sadly, the original tweet doesn't mention what mainframe - Somebody > > did ask, and there was no response I could see. > > I asked @bmoshix what the system was. I've not gotten a reply yet. > > > The error messages suggest it's some sort of Linux system using Docker > > containers, so it's not OS/360 :-) > > I half way expect that it's Docker running on z/OS. > > > I suspect given that it's running out of memory, that it's yet another > > linux box. > > It could be Docker on Linux on Z, but I'd be mildly surprised by that. > I doubt it's Linux on a more typical system. Though the following file > name in the dump makes me think it's AMD-64 architecture. > > /usr/local/go/src/runtime/asm_amd64.s > > > > -- > Grant. . . . > unix || die > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 22:39:20 +0800 > From: Tom Hunter <ccth6600 at gmail.com> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Altair 8800 reproduction > Message-ID: > <CAALEduAgZnPn=1ebHadg3vyTW486= > woRiQxEvZUwG4NYUm7n7Q at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > About 10 years ago Grant Stockly in Anchorage Alaska produced high quality > MITS Altair 8800 reproductions in kit form. The website still exists: > http://www.altairkit.com/ > > I have tried to contact Grant but did not get a reply. Does anyone know if > these kits are still available? Is Grant on this forum? > > Alternatively is somebody else making complete Altair 8800 kits? I have > found people making individual boards but not a complete kit. > > There is also the Altair 8800 clone which is based on a PIC microcontroller > emulating the entire original Altair 8800. It is cute but not the real > thing. > > Thanks > Tom Hunter > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 11:09:14 -0400 > From: Bill Degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com> > To: Tom Hunter <ccth6600 at gmail.com>, "General Discussion: On-Topic > and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Altair 8800 reproduction > Message-ID: > <CABGJBueOtGo6+CGCx0_xC6oe+uMO= > z2VK7q0+XRghfod8h-t6Q at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > This comes up from time to time, I don't believe he is making any more > kits. I have not heard from him for a while. > Bill > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:39 AM Tom Hunter via cctalk < > cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > About 10 years ago Grant Stockly in Anchorage Alaska produced high > quality > > MITS Altair 8800 reproductions in kit form. The website still exists: > > http://www.altairkit.com/ > > > > I have tried to contact Grant but did not get a reply. Does anyone know > if > > these kits are still available? Is Grant on this forum? > > > > Alternatively is somebody else making complete Altair 8800 kits? I have > > found people making individual boards but not a complete kit. > > > > There is also the Altair 8800 clone which is based on a PIC > microcontroller > > emulating the entire original Altair 8800. It is cute but not the real > > thing. > > > > Thanks > > Tom Hunter > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 10:32:42 -0600 > From: Grant Taylor <cctalk at gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net> > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Adventures online > Message-ID: > <edc2ecdd-4165-9e36-0e14-4fc3346cc12b at gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > On 7/22/20 11:32 PM, Grant Taylor wrote: > > I asked @bmoshix what the system was.? I've not gotten a reply yet. > > @bmoshix replied that it's Linux running on a mainframe. > > > I half way expect that it's Docker running on z/OS. > > So, apparently not Docker running on z/OS. > > > It could be Docker on Linux on Z, but I'd be mildly surprised by that. > > I'm mildly surprised. > > > I doubt it's Linux on a more typical system. Though the following > > file name in the dump makes me think it's AMD-64 architecture. > > > > /usr/local/go/src/runtime/asm_amd64.s > > Now I'm more confused as to why asm_amd64.s, something I assume is > related to x86_64 ~> PC (compatible) is being used. > > I wonder if the copies of the games that @bmoshix is running were > written for a mainframe or a PC (compatible). The latter makes more > sense with the asm_amd64.s and comments about installing these games on > a PC. > > > > -- > Grant. . . . > unix || die > > > End of cctalk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 22 > ************************************** >

4 years

Altair 8800 reproduction

by ccth6600＠gmail.com

About 10 years ago Grant Stockly in Anchorage Alaska produced high quality MITS Altair 8800 reproductions in kit form. The website still exists: http://www.altairkit.com/ I have tried to contact Grant but did not get a reply. Does anyone know if these kits are still available? Is Grant on this forum? Alternatively is somebody else making complete Altair 8800 kits? I have found people making individual boards but not a complete kit. There is also the Altair 8800 clone which is based on a PIC microcontroller emulating the entire original Altair 8800. It is cute but not the real thing. Thanks Tom Hunter

4 years

Getting files off a 7300

by cz＠alembic.crystel.com

Anyone know the best way to get files off an AT&T 7300/3B1 computer? This one has a lot of Perq stuff in a directory as well as hilarious things you can do with RP06 disk platters (ah, when we were young...) It does have an AUI Ethernet port on the back, but doesn't appear to have TCP/IP installed. Maybe I can install TCP and find my old Synoptics 10bt to AUI adapter? CZ

4 years

HP3000 Microcode is in SYSDUMP (backup) for WCS machines (64,68,70, 37,...)

by rdbrown0au＠gmail.com

If written on a Series 64, 68 or 70, or on the Series 37 or it's successors, the first file on a SYSDUMP (Backup) tape may include the Microcode from the WCS (Writeable Control Store). Please collect such files if you have tapes available that you can read. Note that the first file includes a concatenation of system objects, ending with (optionally) the directory so that may leak data that should remain private. It's possible that the distribution tape for MPE V Release 3P G.40 that the HP Computer Museum has http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?sw=442 might also include the WCS data. The bootable disc image for the Series 37 and it's successors will. The Museum website doesn't mention media for their 68. Thanks as always to Al Kossow for his BitSavers work. 30140-90045_Series_64_68_70_Microcode_Manual_Oct86.pdf has a 543 page listing of the microcode assembly output, which should wait for better OCR software. SYSDUMP Format ? |-------------------------| <--- ENTRY POINT #1 (ROM BASED ? |????? CHECKSUM?????????? | 0??? MACHINES) ? |? AMIGO CHANNEL PROGRAM? | --|??? WCS TABLE PRT??????? | 95 | |-------------------------| 127 | |--???????????????????? --| | |--?? AMIGO???????????? --| | |-------------------------| ->|???? WCS TABLE?????????? | | |-------------------------| ... G.01.00 16- 10 32033-90010_MPE_V-E_Tables_G.00.00_Sep84.pdf? 16-7? pg 127 in PDF 32033-90040_MPE_V-E_Tables_G.01.00_Jan85.pdf? 16-10 pg 133 in PDF 32033-91047_MPE_V_Tables_Manual_Oct1991.pdf?? 16-10 pg 146 in PDF Descriptions of the WCS Table Format are in 16-13 to 16-15 of the 1991 edition Different formats for the Series 6x/70 and the Series 37, 37XP and 37 Micro #Capture of Co-Cam's Series 52 final full backup (SYSDUMP @. at .@) in Feb 1995. (So no WCS table entry) # 0 is the first file on the tape, the start of which is documented above $ od -Ad --endian=big -tx2 0 | head - 40 0000000 e0e0 0000 0009 0813 0909 0301 0003 0000 0000016 0400 0e41 0180 0002 0501 0000 0000 fff5 0000032 0401 0001 0000 0400 0e43 0200 0000 0501 0000048 0000 0000 ffea 0300 007e 0440 8000 0200 0000064 0000 0002 0000 fff1 0407 0001 0000 4400 0000080 0e43 0302 0002 0000 0400 0e40 0200 0000 0000096 0501 0000 f38d ffd1 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000112 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 * 0000176 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0001 0000192 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 * 0000256 0000 0000 0009 0813 0909 0301 0003 0000 0000272 0400 0201 0180 0002 0401 002e 0001 8800 0000288 0204 0f07 0000 0200 0000 0501 0000 0000 0000304 ffec 0000 fff1 0401 0001 0000 0400 0203 0000320 0200 0000 0501 0000 0000 ffdf 0300 0100 0000336 0440 8000 0e40 0000 0002 0000 fff1 0407 0000352 0001 0000 4400 0203 0302 0002 0000 0400 0000368 0200 0200 0000 0501 0000 0c02 ffc6 0000 0000384 0000 002d 0000 0000 0000 002d 0000 0000 * 0000416 000a 0000 f000 000c 000b 0016 f000 0017 0000432 000b 000b f000 0022 000b 0000 f000 0000 0000448 0000 002d 0000 0000 0000 002d 0000 0000 * 0000624 0000 002d 0000 0000 0000 002d 0000 3238 0000640 3333 4120 2020 0000 1820 0000 1000 15d8 0000656 2eb4 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000672 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 ... $ head -20 blks/0.blks # tape block sizes in bytes 256 126 256 * 2 8192 * 6 256 8192 * 2 256 126 256 8192 * 10 256 8192 * 10 256 8192 * 10 256 96 2910 80 24 $ ls -lh 0 -r-xr-xr-x 1 rdb rdb 3.5M Dec 12? 2006 0

4 years

Looking for copy of BASIC ROM for HP 3396B Integrator II

by Martin.Hepperle＠dlr.de

Recently, I obtained a HP 3396B Integrator II. This is a device for the chemical analysis laboratory. I had hoped that this device contained a BASIC interpreter, but this was not the case. Through the serial interface I can connect a terminal program. Pressing CTRL+BREAK outputs the sign-on message serial interface: ~~HP3396,IBLI Unfortunately, typing "BX" for "Basic eXternal" on the keyboard tells me: BASIC NOT INSTALLED So I am wondering, whether I can install a BASIC by replacing the ROM with an EPROM. According to the "Installation and Service Manual", the ROM U 110 came in two versions: Z-80 Standard-ROM 03396-80012 Z-80 BASIC-ROM 03396-80032 This means that the BASIC is NOT in the cradled EPROM but in the ROM in the lower right corner of the PCB. My ROM 80013 is probably an revision of 80012. So: I need a copy of the 03396-80032 ROM chip. Additionally, if someone has the manual "RS232 Programming Manual", P/N 03396-90335", for the 3396 integrator. it would be great if he could scan the document and make the content available. [I have the remaining manuals and already sent scans to the HP Museum in Australia for making them available o their site. Main PCB: +----------------+ +----------------+ | PPP EPROM | | U 111 | | 27C011-200V10 | | 27C010-150V10 | | 03396-80106 | | 03396-80023 | +----------------+ +----------------+ +----------------+ +----------------+ | U 317 | | U 110 | | 27128A | | ROM | | 03396-80043 | | 03396-80013 | +----------------+ +----------------+ Opening the Case - remove transparent cover from printer compartment by pressing the hinge flaps inside - remove 2 screws close to rear edge, from top - remove 2 screws in printer compartment from top - remove keyboard: - keyboard is "hinged" at the front with three rigid noses - use a pry tool to open the 3 latches at the rear edge of the keyboard plate - lift the rear edge and pull the plate back - if you are careful, the ribbon cable can stay in place, you can thread the keyboard plate through the case opening - lift case cover upwards Thank you for reading, Martin

4 years

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