Hey all --
Picked up an HP Integral PC. Probably paid too much for it but
something about a luggable HP machine with a plasma display running
HP-UX from ROM seemed irresistible. But I digress.
Has anyone archived the manuals for this thing? I've been unable to
find anything in my searches on the internet. Found some software
archives (and after lubricating the floppy mechanism I've been able to
make use of it...) but not much documentation. Docs for the HP BASIC
for this machine would be nice, too.
I've only played with it for a little while, but it seems like a really
neat machine. (Though it seems like this thing is just begging for some
sort of mass-storage other than the internal floppy and RAM. Anyone
have an HPIB hard disk for sale? :)
Thanks,
Josh
Al Kossow wrote:
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> I annouced a few months ago that the agreement had been signed.
>
> I'm attaching a pdf. If the attachement gets eaten, i'll put it
> on bitsavers under http://bitsavers.org/bits/HP/
>
Looks like the message was eaten.
The pdf is on bitsavers for you to take a look at.
CHM hasn't issued a press release about it since we're still doing things
like trying to convert the interleaf formatted manuals to pdfs and are organizing
what we have.
What HP actually donated was materal from about the last 10 years of the product's
life (RTE-A, mostly). The earlier code is coming from other holdings.
Back in 1998 (actually more like from summer 1997 until summer 1998,
i.e., the 1997-98 school year), before I started Quasijarus Project,
I was searching the World high and low for a copy of the 4.3BSD tape
set. That was before PUPS got its momentum with getting the $100
"Ancient UNIX" license deal from SCO, and more importantly, getting
people interested in preserving and working with Original UNIX, and
at that time the entire world was basically in a conspiracy of
anathema against original Bell/Berkeley UNIX, everyone just wanted
it to stay buried in its grave and not come up.
Getting a copy of the 4.3BSD tape set seemed next to impossible.
www.berkeley.edu was shockingly silent about the fact that Berkeley
UNIX aka BSD, UC Berkeley's greatest accomplishment in all of its
history, ever existed, much less saying how to order a tape. Finally
I found a phone number and a couple of E-mail addresses for some
office at UCB that was apparently kept for sending out tapes after
CSRG itself was gutted. The office was basically a voice mailbox and
a couple of E-mail addresses, with the two people who were actually
supposed to get those E-mail and voice messages being away somewhere
in San Francisco and taking a few weeks to answer inquiries.
Finally they got back to me and told me to send a check for $2400 for
4.4BSD and $1000 for 4.3BSD. Ouch! And of course some murky business
about licenses.
At that time, however, I attended Case Western Reserve University (CWRU)
and had a semi-staff relationship with their computer science department.
I realised that the university must have had a UNIX source license from
back in The Days, and most probably had the actual 4.3BSD tapes at some
point as well, especially given that the old-timers told me that they
were indeed running 11/780s before. But again the conspiracy of anathema
was working: everyone had completely forgotten about it, and no one on
the entire campus even knew that the university had a UNIX source license
(and old-timers confirmed that indeed there was one).
When spring 1998 came around, PUPS was making its debut with the $100
license deal from SCO. I didn't care so much about license stuff, but
it meant a resurgence of interest in Original UNIX and a community of
people involved with it, something that was completely lacking only a
few months prior. I wanted access to the PUPS archive, and I wanted to
use the university's license rather than fork over $100 for a personal
one. The only issue was *finding* that license. Then I got a bright
idea: since the license agreement was between CWRU and AT&T, there must
have been copies of it on both sides. If CWRU had chosen to forget
about the license they once paid big money for, how about if I dig up a
copy of the license agreement from AT&T side? So I asked SCO's Dion
Johnson about it, and lo and behold, a few days later a copy of CWRU's
original UNIX license agreement shows up in my box in the computer science
department mail room! Warren Toomey got another copy and soon I got an
overseas fax from him with passwords for his PUPS Archive! Whoo-hoo!
But I still needed 4.3BSD. It wasn't in Warren's archive since they
were still PDP-only at that time, and me holding a copy of my school's
AT&T UNIX license agreement didn't help convince anyone I knew who
might have had 4.3BSD tapes to share them with me.
In late 1997 I got myself an office at CWRU, it was the CES department's
computer junkyard room. I was quite happy, a room full of classic
computers was the best office I could get. It was actually two rooms,
411 and 412. Only 411 was accessible from the hallway, the entrance to
412 was inside 411. Both rooms were filled with classic computer gear,
but 411 was a little less full and actually had some room for a desk and
was usable as an office. 412, on the other hand, was *completely* filled
with classic computer gear (mostly Sun 3) and it was difficult for a
person to make it through to the end of the room. At the very end of
room 412 (the end opposite the entrance door from 411) there was
something that looked like a plastic curtain or plastic window blinds.
The architecture of that building was really intriguing, the kind one
finds only on good old university campuses, and I couldn't really tell
if there was supposed to be a window there or not. I just never gave
it much thought, and it was too difficult to climb over all that Sun 3
gear in the way to see exactly what it was.
On a shelf in room 411 there were some magtape reels, and I thought
that if they ever had 4.3BSD tapes, they ought to be there. But I
looked through all the tapes I could see and 4.3BSD wasn't there. Bummer.
Then one day in summer 1998 I came to work in the morning, went up
the stairs to my beloved Computer Engineering and Science department
4th floor, went to the end of the hallway to my office, and got in.
I turned on the lights and per my usual habit, peeked all over the
room to make sure all the fun classic computers were still there.
And lo and behold, at the very end of room 412, where I previously
saw those plastic curtains or window blinds or whatever, I now saw
two racks full of magtapes! It turned out that the plastic "curtains"
were actually vertically sliding doors (kinda like garage doors) of
two huge magtape cabinets! Another staff member must have had a need
to get some old magtape and didn't close the cabinet after he was done.
With trembling hands, I raced there and started looking through all
the tapes. And sure enough, in a few minutes I found all 3 tapes of
the 4.3BSD 1600 BPI distribution.
I spent pretty much the whole year prior to that moment searching the
World high and low for 4.3BSD tapes when they were sitting the whole
time in my own office! Now that's a "Duh!" moment.
MS
Hi,
I haven't got ULTRIX/VAX V3.0C, but:
V2.0
V3.1 (disk image only)
V4.2
V4.4
V4.5
I'd like to have the missing versions, too.
More ULTRIX-Manuals would be VERY interesting as well.
(I scanned the ones at bitsavers.com)
What type of VAX do you want to run ULTRIX on?
Regards,
Ulli
Yes, you read that correctly.
I have in my possession a TK-50 tape for the PDP-11 system which contains none other than
OS/2 operating system.
Many people have claimed this never existed. But I have the tape!
I had done a directory dump of it and can supply it.
One other person who's checked the directory listing has said it is authentic.
I'm not sure what to do with it, and I believe IBM made OS/2 open source, so technically it should be "free"
of it's chains
maybe someone can turn it into something useful, or just run it and have the most unique PDP on the planet, I don't know... whatever :)
anyhow, it's a really weird bit of computing history, and I'd hate for it to be lost. it should be in a museum :)
Dan.
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A few weeks ago, some people in here were talking about putting network
cards in IBM PCs or XTs or something...
As it happens, I ran across a box of 3com 3c503 network cards (AUI and
10BaseT ports, 8 bit ISA card).
If anyone wants one, lemme know, I'm asking $5+shipping, and I'll have
the box with me at Dayton if you want to harass me about them, then.
Pat
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Hi,
I'm looking for Software & Manuals for any of the MUMPS implementations for the PDP-11,
e.g. MUMPS-11, DSM-11 or M/11+.
Can anybody help?
Regards,
Ulli
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Hi, all,
I was staring at an SBC I have here with a 6MHz Z-80, some ROM, some RAM,
and a 26-pin off-board bus for some Z80-PIO boards (this thing was built
as a multi-parallel-printer switcher). I've been musing about what it
would take to boot CP/M up on this.
For user I/O, I was planning on a console serial port and a
terminal/terminal
emulator. I have IM6402s on hand, but I'd be interested in hearing if
certain other chips are preferred, based on what BIOS code is floating
around out there. I also have a 16550, but I don't think I have any
Z80-SIO chips handy.
For mass storage, I was planning on either Compact Flash or an SD card.
I think I've seen both as I googled around for modern SBCs. Any of the
media I have lying around is plenty large enough (I even have some 4MB
CFs and a 2.5MB full-sized PCMCIA flash card on hand).
I am a little unclear, though, about how traditional CP/M systems
were set up for ROM and RAM. Was it common to use a "shadow ROM"
in low mem at reset, then have the BIOS live at the top of memory?
How did 64K RAM CP/M machines handle the BIOS? Did they temporarily
ghost the ROM on top of RAM until some bit of code could read ROM
and write RAM then bank out the ROM? Since I think I "need" at
least 48K of RAM, I was planning on a pair of 62256s. I could easily
do 56K of RAM low and 8K of ROM high, I think, unless there's some
other arrangement that's obvious to try for a simple design.
I've never tried writing a BIOS for a CP/M machine, but my understanding
is that things are modular enough that once you know what I/O chips
you have and at what I/O addresses, for a straightforward, non-clever
design, the coding is equally straightforward and non-clever (but please
feel free to enlighten me if otherwise).
Thanks for any tips, especially from anyone on the list who has ever
rolled their own CP/M machine.
-ethan
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Hi Ethan,
Funny you should mention the subject, I am working on a very similar
project.
Last year, I made a completely home brew Z80 computer with prototype boards.
It is a fun project and you can definitely build your own CP/M computer from
scratch. It really is not that hard.
This year, I am remaking the design using manufactured PCBs.
I recently got my first batch of prototype PCBs and have been building up
and testing them.
So far, I have gotten the CPU, ROM, RAM, UART, and most of the glue logic
working and tested.
It is not complete yet as I still need to wring out much of the hardware and
have not even started on the PPI or RTC.
However, last year I was able to boot the previous system into its monitor
and even boot CP/M.
CP/M used a 32K ROM drive for drive A:, a 448K RAM drive for drive B:. I
implemented an IDE port and a hard disk for drive C:.
Those all worked pretty good. I built but never tested a floppy drive
interface.
The whole system is pretty simple, uses plain 74LSxxx chips, no programmable
parts (except the EPROM) or hard to get parts.
No SMT or funky technologies, just plain through hole DIP chips.
I have all the software and am presently going through the library
reinstalling it on the new system.
So far, I have most of the easy stuff working. I do have the RAMless
monitor working and next will be the regular monitor.
Finally it will be the CP/M system and the RTC software.
Anyway, if your interested, I am keeping a small Google group of files and
photos at:
http://groups.google.com/group/n8vem
Thanks!
Andrew Lynch
