On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, H?lscher wrote:
WANTED - Early Versions of:
- MicroVMS V1.0 (later renamed to V4.0) V4.1, V4.1M, V4.2
- VWS (VAX/VMS Workstation Software) V1.1, V2.0, V3.0
Help please, I want to run my MicroVAX I/IIs on contemporary software!
Any media (TK50 tape cartridge, RX50 floppies, 9-track tape, ...) , any
condition (Installation media, BACKUP Save Sets, Disk/Tape Images, ...)
This actually brings up an interesting question with regards to the VMS
Hobbyist License. ?The Hobbyist License allows for the use of at least the
OS (I am not sure about VWS). ?However, the license keys from the Hobbyist
License won't be valid prior to VAX/VMS V5 will they? ?I believe V4.x and
prior use a different licensing scheme and the licenses were on TK50's or
other distribution media.
Somewhere up in storage I have a dead RD53 with VMS 4.x on it, it died
before I could make a backup. :-( ?One of these years I want to try to
revive the drive and get a backup of it.
I'd love to get VAX/VMS V4.x running on a MicroVAX II, but realistically
V5.5-2 is far more practical and useable.
We ran MicroVMS 1.0 and VMS 4.1 and 4.2 on our MicroVAXen at Software
Results (we bought the machines as soon as they were orderable) and
used them for Qbus product development and testing. You mentioning
the keys and such reminds me that I have at least one RD52 that I
should image. I don't remember exactly what version is on it, but we
used that machine for final acceptance testing, so there's some handy
stuff on there. It's a MicroVAX-I w/4MB, an RQDX1 or RQDX2
(definitely *not* an RQDX3), and I don't know if a uVAX-I can keep a
TK50 busy, but I do have a drive and controller I could try to get
working on it. I think we used to mostly back it up with an RLV12 and
RL02 or via RX50 or little stuff via Kermit. I have a "final backup"
of our MicroVAX-II as tape images, but that's almost certainly some
variant of VMS5. ISTR I used a 3rd-party tape controller and a TU80
tape drive for that one. It was a long time ago and the details are
Speaking of fuzzy details, my recollection of the "key" process was
that it only mattered for DECnet, and you got an
install-medium-compatible "key". For our uVAX-I, it was definitely an
RX50. For the uVAX-II, I *think* it was a TK50 tape. Once you
"installed the key" it was in there for good; no expiration possible
like with LMF. I don't know that we ever had a full key for DECnet
for MicroVMS; we probably only had an 'end node' license. Even to the
last days of the company, we never installed a single inch of Ethernet
- all comms were serial, either sync serial (DDCMP, HASP, 3780...) or
async serial (Kermit, BLAST, async DECnet). For stuff that took too
long to move around via serial wires, we had RL02 controllers and
packs for most of our machines.
But as for VMS4 install kits, there should be some variety of
standalone backup, some variety of the base VMS install, a "MUP"
Mandatory Update, and probably a single (not shipped with every
release) DECnet key. I don't think those keys were tied to anything
specific (like a system serial number, which was identical for
MicroVAXen anyway), so one copy would physically suffice for any
machines you'd be setting up.
All that having been said, I think I have a pile of install floppies
from those days, but at 25 years old, I'm not going
to guarantee that
every sector of every disk will read. I might have some time in a
weeks to start going through those boxes - at least I know exactly
where they are (and what's in them since I *did* label them!)