November 2007 - test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org

by vcf＠siconic.com

I have a monitor for a Stardent workstation. It's a re-badge Sony, model number 130-0001-01. Free for pickup, or 1.2 * cost of shipping to recoup time and trouble if you want it shipped. Please respond soon if you are interested as it will be going off for scrap in a week if there are no takers. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

10 years, 8 months

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VT-180 (Robin) EPROM images?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: VT-180 (Robin) EPROM images? > From: "Robert Armstrong" <bob at jfcl.com> > Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:23:04 -0800 > To: <cctech at classiccmp.org> > > Does anybody have images of the v2.1 Z-80 firmware for the VT-180 (aka >Robin) ? At least, I think 2.1 was the last version ever released. They >should be DEC part numbers 23-017E3-00 and 23-021E3-00. > >Thanks, >Bob Armstrong I have enough of them laying around I could supply the actual roms. I've never imaged them as It's easier to replace the code outright. Curious why are you looking for them? Allison

11 years, 3 months

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Compaq SLT/286

by aw288＠osfn.org

Like the Sanyo just yesterday, I have a Compaq SLT/286 portable computer taking up space. Very nice condition, with power unit, dock, and bag. Any interest CHEAP? I am located in New York, zip 10512. Unlike the Sanyo, if there is no interest, I suppose I will just chop this up. I am desperately trying to clear out a bedroom to work on it - the bedroom that ends up being the junk overflow containment chamber. It would actually be nice to sleep in it sometime. William Donzelli aw288 at osfn.org

11 years, 8 months

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FDOS for Fluke 1720A

by geoffb＠vigilan.com

Does anyone have the O/S, Applications, and Diagnostice disks for this ancient IEEE 488 bus controller (Fluke 1720A)? It used a TI 9900 processor if I remember correctly. The operating system was called FDOS- a custom effort too I think, distributed on three 5 1/4" floppies. This is no longer available from anywhere or anyone, including Fluke. Thanks for any help and/or leads. Geoff

11 years, 11 months

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Wait! There's more including MS-DOS 1.25!!!! was Sanyo MBC-550 (Yuck!) software available

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I'm still digging. I found more 550 stuff. I think this is everything that came with the 550. Here's a chance for you 550 owner's to get the whole set at one shot! Original DS-DOS box and invoice. Original Sanyo Easywriter ver 1.3 disk Original Sanyo disk box with 550 dos ver 2.11 and BASIC 1.25, two original Sanyo disk for InfoStar (set B disk 2 and 3 of 4; disks 1 and 4 are below), original Sanyo disk for DOS 1.25 and BASIC ver 1.1 Original Sanyo disk box with all three original disk of set A, WordStar and CalcStar and a backup copy of DS-DOS. Two card board dummy disks used to protect the floppy drives duing shipment. Joe > >A few weeks ago we were talking about the Sanyo 550 series and someone mentioned one of the alternates operating systems that supported 80 track drives in the 550. I said that was DS-DOS by Michtron. > > Today I found an old Sanyo disk package with four disks for the 550. One of them is DS DOS 2.11, one is InfoStar, one is MailMerge/SpellStar and the other is a disk of misc utilities. The first three are original disks. In additon, the InfoStar, MailMerge/SpellStar are Sanyo labeled disks that came with the 550. If anyone wants them, trade me something I can use and they're all your's. > > Joe

12 years, 3 months

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Gooey TU58 rollers

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: Re: Gooey TU58 rollers > From: "Ethan Dicks" <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> > Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:39:20 -0500 > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > >On 8/27/07, B M <iamvirtual at gmail.com> wrote: >> I am trying to get a Vax-11/750 machine up and running. It looks like the TU58 drive >> is suffering from the 'gooey roller syndrome'. > >Unsurprising. > >> I see that people have successfully used 1/2 inch (ID) Tygon tubing to replace the >> goo. Is there any specific type of Tygon tubing (eg. R3603, R2000, etc.) that is used? > >I don't know the particular variety I used in mine - I just went to >the Lowe's down the street and bought a foot of 1/2" ID tubing - >whatever they had on the shelf. I was unaware of a large amount of >varieties of tubing, so I just used what they had in stock, and it >worked perfectly. > >-ethan I started that many years ago like 1995ish. I spec'd Tygon (brnad name) as that was available to me. Most any generic Vinyl tubing works so long as it fits tight and has enough wall thickness. After about 10 years it tends to get hard, the fix is obvious. Allison

12 years, 5 months

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Texas Instruments 960B

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> does anybody have bits for the TI 960B (not 960A) minicomputer, e.g. > software, schematics etc. ? I have some additional material on the 960 that isn't up yet on bitsavers. The 960 and 980 share some peripheral interfaces. Did you end up with the 990 system as well?

12 years, 7 months

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NEC Spinwriter 5525 available

by iamvirtual＠gmail.com

[I hope this is on-topic; I believe the machine is at least 20 years old] I have a NEC Spinwriter 5525 printer that is available for the cost of shipping (free if you pick it up). The printer is a wide carriage and appears to have a RS232 serial interface. I do not know if the printer works or not. The machine is located in Langdon Alberta Canada (postal code is T0J 1X1) which is approximately 10 minutes east of Calgary. The machine is rather heavy. I estimate 50 pounds or more. If there is no interest, the machine is headed to the e-waste recycling. I can send pictures upon request. Contact by e mail: i a m v i rt ihatespam u al @ @ @ g ma il . c om <-- remove spaces and ihatespam Thanks! --barry

12 years, 9 months

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Has anyone ever heard of theProtec Microsystems PRO-83?

by rdcoll＠hotmail.com

Hello everyone, I just joined this mailing list today on the advice of more than one vintage computing contact. I was wondering if anyone could tell me anything about the Protec Microsystems PRO-83 Z80 Single-Board Computer. I have conducted an exhaustive search of the Internet and found only two sites (one from a surplus store and a picture of it from a museum). I would appreciate any information available, especially information regarding the power supply and peripheral devices. Thank you very much. Rob _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

12 years, 10 months

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HPIB cables

by donm＠cts.com

I have a couple of HPIB cables available at $15 the pair, shipped. They are: 1 HP10833A ~42" 1 HP92220R ~12" The 92220R has a right-angle connector at one end and the usual straight connector at the other. (I wonder if the 'R' indicates a right hand connector?) First come, first served. - don

12 years, 11 months

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Century Data T2000 exerciser

by nasim786＠earthlink.net

Hi, This is a belated response to a post you made here: http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2003-February/010641.html I happened upon it while doing a 'for fun' search on the net for anything doing with good ol' Century Data, my employer when I was young. Couldn't resist responding to the post, even if it was half a year late! The exerciser that you have is/was for the Trident series of hard disk drives (predecessor to the Marksman). I was the main (in fact, pretty much the ONLY) technician at Century Data/Calcomp, for these exercisers back from the late 1970's to the mid 1980's, when they were phased out. I retired in 1985. Have fun! (BTW, where'd you find one of these dinosaurs??) Take care, Nasim

12 years, 11 months

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Tiny BASIC Extended available

by eds_2＠yahoo.com

Every so often, a discussion of Tiny BASIC appears around here. I was curious about one of the very first versions of Tiny BASIC, the 8080 implementation done by Whipple and Arnold, as documented in the Vol. 1 No. 1 (Jan 1976) issue of Dr. Dobb's Journal (of Tiny BASIC Calisthenics and Orthodontia) This issue contains an octal listing of a Tiny BASIC interpreter for the 8080, and I couldn't find this version available for download anywhere. So... I typed it in, and it works! I documented my work, which is available at http://oss.readytalk.com/tb/tinybasic.tar.gz (Note - this location is temporary - I need a home for this if anyone is interested) Included are the text file for the octal listing, a binary which can be loaded into memory, an attempt to extract the IL from the binary, and some instructions on bringing up Tiny BASIC. I was able to run some simple programs with a Z80 simulator that I've been running, and it appears to work correctly. I found the PDF of the listing in the ACM digital library: http://doi.acm.org/10.1145/987491.987494 Typing in octal listings is error-prone enough, and typing them in from bad PDF scans of bad photocopies is even trickier. I have corrected many errors, but I'm sure there are more. If any kind soul would be willing to proofread / correct the listing, it would be **GREATLY** appreciated. I hope this is of interest to people. I'm very interested in other versions of Tiny BASIC out there, if someone has ever typed this listing before, etc. I'm familiar with Tom Pittman's work, but other resources would be greatly appreciated. -Eric ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html

12 years, 11 months

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VAX/PDP docs. received

by jwillis＠arielusa.com

Received from a former DEC service rep.: If anyone wants scans of a specific piece, I will probably arrange it. This accounts for only the miniscule portion I've managed to sort and catalog in the past 3 hours (about 1/8 of the total number of documentation pieces I received): Communications Options Minireference Manual, vols. 1-7 LSI-11 Systems Service Manual, Vols. 1-3 VAX 8600/8650 System Diagnostics User's Guide Communications Options Minireference Manual VAX/VMS Internals and Data Structures Cartridge Tape Service Documentation TK50 Tape Drive Subsystem Owner's Manual TK50 Tape Drive Subsystem User's Guide TK70 Streaming Tape Drive Owner's Manual TK70 Streaming Tape Drive Subsystem Service Manual (MicroVAX II sys.) ThinWire Ethernet COAXIAL CABLE CONNECTOR INSTALLATION CARD H4000 DIGITAL Ethernet Transceiver Installation Manual Fiber Optic Attenuator Installation/Configuration Reference Card LA120 Series Pocket Service Guide LA10X-EJ/EL Tractor Option Installation Guide DECWRITER III LA120 Operator Reference Card LCG01 Color Printer System Pocket Service Guide MicroVAX 3600/VAXserver 3600/3602 Operation KA650 CPU System Maintenance MicroVAX 3600/VAXserver 3600/3602 Technical Information ULTRIX-32 Guide to the Error Logger System LJ250/LJ252 Companion Color Printer Pocket Service Guide LN03 Pocket Service Guide RF-LN03 Pocket Service Guide VAX 6200 Options and Maintenance VAX 6200/6300, VAXserver 6200/6230 Owner's Manual VAXstation 2000 Workstations and MicroVAX 2000 Network Guide ULTRIX-32 Basic Installation Guide for the VAXserver 2000 DECstation 2100/3100 Maintenance Guide MicroVAX 2000 Installation MicroVAX 2000 Operation Addendum: VAXserver 2000 MicroVAX 2000 Operation MicroVAX 2000 Troubleshooting MicroVAX 2000 Technical Information MicroVAX 2000 Customer Services VAXstation 2000 and MicroVAX 2000 Maintenance Guide VAXstation 3100 Maintenance Information VAXstation 3100 Illustrated Parts Breakdown VAXstation 2000 Hardware Information VAXstation 2000 System Guide VAXstation 2000 Network Guide VAX 6000-400 Options and Maintenance VT100 Series Pocket Service Guide VT180 Series Pocket Service Guide VT320 Pocket Service Guide VT330 Pocket Service Guide VT340 Pocket Service Guide VAXcluster Service Reference Manual VAXcluster Service Reference Set VAX 8530/8550/8700/8800/8820/8830/8840 System Maint. Guide 8800 8700 8550 8500 Console User's Guide B213F Expander Installation R215F Expander Maintenance KA655 CPU System Maintenance VAX Architecture Reference Manual CI750 User's Guide BA11-A Mounting Box and Power System Tech. Manual VAX-11/750 Diag. System Overview Manual VAX-11/750 Level 1 Student Workbook (Digital Internal Use Only) VAX-11/750 UNIBUS Interface Technical Description VAX-11/751 User's Guide DELUA User's Guide MicroVAX 2000 Hardware Information MicroVAX VAX 8200/50, 8500/50 The Digital Dictionary, Second Edition VAX Maintenance Handbook (VAX Systems) VAX Maintenance Handbook (VAX-11/780) VAX Maintenance Handbook (VAX-11/750) VAX-11/750 Mini Diag. Ref. Guide RM05 Disk Subsystem Service Manual RM05 Disk Subsystem Student Guide (Digital Internal Use Only) RM03 Disk Drive Maint. Print Set RP04/05/06 Field Maint. Print Set Symptom Directed Diagnosis Tool Kit Installation Guide VAXsimPLUS Field Service Manual Getting Started with VAXsimPLUS VAXsimPLUS User Guide Model 733 DEC Disk Storage Drive Parts Catalog, Jan. 1976 RP04-TC Part II RP04, RP05, RP06 Field Svc. Handbook HSC50 Service Manual HSC Installation Manual VAX 86XX System Maint. Guide RP05/RP06 Field Handbook -Company Confidential- RP05/06 677-01/51 Disc Drive Illustrated Parts Catalog Model 677-01/51 RP05/06 DEC DISC MAINTENANCE Guide (Educ. Svcs.) Digital Education and Training: UNIX Utils & Cmds. Student Guide

13 years, 6 months

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Looking for : Sharp PC-1405

by mhstein＠canada.com

--------------Original Message------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:27:36 -0500 (EST) From: liste(a)artware.qc.ca Subject: Looking for : Sharp PC-1405 Or equiv (Tandy had them as PC-2 or something, iirc). The goal of my classic collection is to get one of every computer I've programmed over the years. One of the first computers I programmed was a PC-1405 (actually, I can't remember the exact model). I found one of these in a pawn shop. By brother "stole" it. I found another. This was my one classic computer that was helluva useful. So useful I took it with my places. And, well, I've just lost it. I've checked eBay and there are a few Sharp Pocket Computers, but W@W L@@K @ T3H PR1C3Z! Buy it now for "only" 300 USD! http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3000156764&category=15030 So, does anyone here have one they don't need and/or would be willing to let go for a reasonable price? -Philip -------------------------------------- I've got a PC-1421 Financial Computer if you (or anybody) are interested: 76 character keyboard 16 character display 40K ROM Basic 4.2 Kb RAM Interface for optional CE-126 Printer/Cassette (don't have) 6 modes: Normal calculator Financial calculator Statistical calculator Basic program mode Basic run mode Almost new, in box with cover & 280P manual. Make me an offer (less than US$ 300, or even CDN$ 300 :). mike

13 years, 6 months

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8/L has been sold. Have ADM-3A for sale.

by charlesmorris＠direcway.com

The 8/L, ASR33, DF32 disk emulator project has been sold. Thanks for all your interest (and offers). Anyone who wants the DF32 emulator schematic and artwork, I can email you a copy. I hope someone can take my "first draft" and make a useful unit for those who are interested. I have a working ADM-3A that I may want to sell also. It has a homebrewed lower-case 2716 ROM (thanks Steve Loboyko for the font files). I installed the "optional" parts for current loop on the main PCB, and used it with the 8/L. The only thing that's missing is the little aluminum panel covering the dip switches. Any interest? Same deal as before, please email offers, "sealed bids". thanks Charles

13 years, 8 months

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Perkin Elmer 7300 Pro System Museum Quality!

by mail.list＠analog-and-digital-solutions.com

Here's one some of you might like. Perkin Elmer 7300 Pro System Museum Quality! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2738081449 Current bid US $9.99

13 years, 11 months

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Stag PPZ EPROM programmer

by coredump＠gifford.co.uk

I have a fine old Stag PPZ modular EPROM programmer: http://www.gifford.co.uk/~coredump/inst.htm#PPZ It takes plug-in EPROM (model Zm2000) and PAL (Zm2200) modules, called Z-modules by Stag. I've recently acquired a new module, Zm3000, which looks like a more recent EPROM module. The chips in the Zm3000 are date coded in 1993, whereas the Zm2000 is nearer 1988. The PPZ main unit contains a 6809 CPU and a small CRT display. Does anyone know anything about this system? What about other Z-module types? In particular, should the Zm3000 work with the PPZ, because I currently get an error message "Incorrect Mainframe"? Thanks in advance for any clues! (Virtually all I get from Google is a link back to my own web page!) -- John Honniball coredump(a)gifford.co.uk

14 years

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IBM PC Convertible Speech Module.

by netsurfer_x1＠fastmailbox.net

Anyone here have the speech module for an IBM PC Convertible they want to get rid of? I just got one of these laptops & was hoping to score one. David M. Vohs Digital Archaeologist & Computer Historian Computer Collection: "Triumph": Commodore 64, 1802, 1541, Indus GT, FDD-1, GeoRAM 512, MPS-801. "Leela": Original Apple Macintosh, Imagewriter II. "Delorean": TI-99/4A, TI Speech Synthesizer. "Spectrum": Tandy Color Computer III. "Monolith": Apple Macintosh Portable. "Boombox": Sharp PC-7000. "Butterfly": Tandy 200, PDD-2. "Shapeshifter": Epson QX-10, Comrex HDD, Titan graphics/MS-DOS board. "Scout": Otrona Attache. (prospective) "Pioneer": Apple LISA II. "TMA-1": Atari Portfolio, Memory Expander + "Centaur": Commodore Amiga 2000. "Neon": Zenith Minisport.

14 years, 1 month

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Reading NorthStar Horizon hard sector disks on PC

by marvin＠west.net

> From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> > Not all Northstar diskettes are HS. One of the models (Advantage?) > isn't--and it's that format that the Microsolutions MatchPoint will > read, not the others. It's been too long since I've seen the darned > things... I think the machine you are thinking of might be the N* Dimension. The Advantage still uses 10-sector floppies. I've never seen the Dimension but vintagemicros on Ebay was selling one a while back and had a picture of it. Apparently it was MS-DOS compatible.

14 years, 10 months

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I'm so stupid...

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Back in 1998 (actually more like from summer 1997 until summer 1998, i.e., the 1997-98 school year), before I started Quasijarus Project, I was searching the World high and low for a copy of the 4.3BSD tape set. That was before PUPS got its momentum with getting the $100 "Ancient UNIX" license deal from SCO, and more importantly, getting people interested in preserving and working with Original UNIX, and at that time the entire world was basically in a conspiracy of anathema against original Bell/Berkeley UNIX, everyone just wanted it to stay buried in its grave and not come up. Getting a copy of the 4.3BSD tape set seemed next to impossible. www.berkeley.edu was shockingly silent about the fact that Berkeley UNIX aka BSD, UC Berkeley's greatest accomplishment in all of its history, ever existed, much less saying how to order a tape. Finally I found a phone number and a couple of E-mail addresses for some office at UCB that was apparently kept for sending out tapes after CSRG itself was gutted. The office was basically a voice mailbox and a couple of E-mail addresses, with the two people who were actually supposed to get those E-mail and voice messages being away somewhere in San Francisco and taking a few weeks to answer inquiries. Finally they got back to me and told me to send a check for $2400 for 4.4BSD and $1000 for 4.3BSD. Ouch! And of course some murky business about licenses. At that time, however, I attended Case Western Reserve University (CWRU) and had a semi-staff relationship with their computer science department. I realised that the university must have had a UNIX source license from back in The Days, and most probably had the actual 4.3BSD tapes at some point as well, especially given that the old-timers told me that they were indeed running 11/780s before. But again the conspiracy of anathema was working: everyone had completely forgotten about it, and no one on the entire campus even knew that the university had a UNIX source license (and old-timers confirmed that indeed there was one). When spring 1998 came around, PUPS was making its debut with the $100 license deal from SCO. I didn't care so much about license stuff, but it meant a resurgence of interest in Original UNIX and a community of people involved with it, something that was completely lacking only a few months prior. I wanted access to the PUPS archive, and I wanted to use the university's license rather than fork over $100 for a personal one. The only issue was *finding* that license. Then I got a bright idea: since the license agreement was between CWRU and AT&T, there must have been copies of it on both sides. If CWRU had chosen to forget about the license they once paid big money for, how about if I dig up a copy of the license agreement from AT&T side? So I asked SCO's Dion Johnson about it, and lo and behold, a few days later a copy of CWRU's original UNIX license agreement shows up in my box in the computer science department mail room! Warren Toomey got another copy and soon I got an overseas fax from him with passwords for his PUPS Archive! Whoo-hoo! But I still needed 4.3BSD. It wasn't in Warren's archive since they were still PDP-only at that time, and me holding a copy of my school's AT&T UNIX license agreement didn't help convince anyone I knew who might have had 4.3BSD tapes to share them with me. In late 1997 I got myself an office at CWRU, it was the CES department's computer junkyard room. I was quite happy, a room full of classic computers was the best office I could get. It was actually two rooms, 411 and 412. Only 411 was accessible from the hallway, the entrance to 412 was inside 411. Both rooms were filled with classic computer gear, but 411 was a little less full and actually had some room for a desk and was usable as an office. 412, on the other hand, was *completely* filled with classic computer gear (mostly Sun 3) and it was difficult for a person to make it through to the end of the room. At the very end of room 412 (the end opposite the entrance door from 411) there was something that looked like a plastic curtain or plastic window blinds. The architecture of that building was really intriguing, the kind one finds only on good old university campuses, and I couldn't really tell if there was supposed to be a window there or not. I just never gave it much thought, and it was too difficult to climb over all that Sun 3 gear in the way to see exactly what it was. On a shelf in room 411 there were some magtape reels, and I thought that if they ever had 4.3BSD tapes, they ought to be there. But I looked through all the tapes I could see and 4.3BSD wasn't there. Bummer. Then one day in summer 1998 I came to work in the morning, went up the stairs to my beloved Computer Engineering and Science department 4th floor, went to the end of the hallway to my office, and got in. I turned on the lights and per my usual habit, peeked all over the room to make sure all the fun classic computers were still there. And lo and behold, at the very end of room 412, where I previously saw those plastic curtains or window blinds or whatever, I now saw two racks full of magtapes! It turned out that the plastic "curtains" were actually vertically sliding doors (kinda like garage doors) of two huge magtape cabinets! Another staff member must have had a need to get some old magtape and didn't close the cabinet after he was done. With trembling hands, I raced there and started looking through all the tapes. And sure enough, in a few minutes I found all 3 tapes of the 4.3BSD 1600 BPI distribution. I spent pretty much the whole year prior to that moment searching the World high and low for 4.3BSD tapes when they were sitting the whole time in my own office! Now that's a "Duh!" moment. MS

15 years, 7 months

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Wanted: VAX Ultrix 3.0C

by hoelscher-kirchbrak＠freenet.de

Hi, I haven't got ULTRIX/VAX V3.0C, but: V2.0 V3.1 (disk image only) V4.2 V4.4 V4.5 I'd like to have the missing versions, too. More ULTRIX-Manuals would be VERY interesting as well. (I scanned the ones at bitsavers.com) What type of VAX do you want to run ULTRIX on? Regards, Ulli

16 years, 1 month

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8-bit ISA ethernet cards

by pat＠computer-refuge.org

A few weeks ago, some people in here were talking about putting network cards in IBM PCs or XTs or something... As it happens, I ran across a box of 3com 3c503 network cards (AUI and 10BaseT ports, 8 bit ISA card). If anyone wants one, lemme know, I'm asking $5+shipping, and I'll have the box with me at Dayton if you want to harass me about them, then. Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCAC --- http://www.rcac.purdue.edu/ The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org

16 years, 4 months

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Help with PDP-11 Unibus Map Hardware / Software under RT-11

by jhfinedp3k＠compsys.to

Hopefully, this request is clear enough to be understood. Both the software and the hardware portion of the questions are independently important, so please answer one aspect even if you can't help with the other. Over the past 30 years of using PDP-11 software (RT-11 over 95%) and hardware, I have never had occasion to use a Unibus system with more than 256 KB of memory (such as a PDP-11/34). I would appreciate help in understanding the Unibus Map hardware which (if I understand its purpose correctly) is to convert 18 bit addresses given to a Unibus controller into 22 bit addresses for real physical memory for systems like a PDP-11/84 and perform DMA from / to the hard drive. Also helpful would be an explanation of the related software used under RT-11 along with exactly where the Unibus Map hardware is located on a real DEC system (on the CPU board I presume) since the identical CPU board is used for both the Qbus and the Unibus with both the PDP-11/84 and the PDP-11/94. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- DO NOT READ THE FOLLOWING if you don't use RT-11!!!!!!! By way of context, I have successfully modified the HD0: device driver originally written by John Wilson which obviously executes ONLY under E11. Last week, John mentioned in a private e-mail that it is possible to direct the HD0: "controller" (all references to hardware in quotes refers to E11 software) to ignore the "Unibus Map hardware". Since I execute under E11 using Qbus emulation in order to stay totally compatible with the real DEC PDP-11/23, PDP-11/73 and PDP-11/83 systems (all Qbus and all with 4 MB of physical memory) which I have available for comparison testing, user buffers in physical memory above 256 KB are often a situation which can't be avoided. Consequently, it had always been a high priority to have a 22 bit device driver for HD0: under E11 BECAUSE HD0: is TWICE as fast as MSCP (DUX.SYS device driver). In addition, I have also been able to write code that avoids the overhead of using the HD0: device driver which makes HD0: FOUR times as fast as MSCP and also allows for direct access of 2 TB of disk space via a 32 bit block number. Since I have an immediate application for a data base of 32 GB (I have a disk drive of 160 GB, so 32 GB is only 20% of its capacity - although under RT-11 15 years ago in 1992, 32 GB would have been only a dream), the code which I have written will actually be used quite soon. However, I would very much like the HD0: device driver to be able to execute under both "Qbus" and "Unibus" hardware. And while I can test the code for a "Qbus" and for a "Unibus" without a "Unibus Map", I am not clear about what is required for a "Unibus" with a "Unibus Map" such as a PDP-11/84 running under RT-11. Megan are you still watching the list? Allison, if you can't answer, can anyone but Megan help? Is anyone else familiar enough with the "Unibus Map" that you can suggest what RT-11 actually needs to do with the "Unibus Map"? A solution is to check the "hardware" configuration and refuse to allow the HD0: device driver to LOAD or .Fetch if the modified version is not executing under "Qbus hardware". By the way, if anyone who is thinking of a controller for the Qbus which is able to use SATA drives, I would be happy to modify an RT-11 device driver to an HD0: type device that is able to handle drives up to 2 TB in the same manner that DU(X).SYS can handle drives up to 8 GB. Anyone interested?? Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine -- If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the 'at' with the four digits of the current year.

16 years, 6 months

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Making an RT-11 boot disk

by dbetz＠xlisper.com

I'm trying to use simh to create an RT-11 bootable RX50 disk and am following some instructions posted by Megan Gentry a while ago. I've created the disk image but am having trouble making it bootable. The copy/boot command claims it can't find the RT-11 image but it is clearly on the floppy (du0). Any idea what's going wrong? .dir du0: 10-Apr-99 RT11XM.SYS 106P 20-Dec-85 DU .SYS 8P 20-Dec-85 TT .SYS 2P 20-Dec-85 PIP .SAV 30P 20-Dec-85 DUP .SAV 47P 20-Dec-85 DIR .SAV 19P 20-Dec-85 RESORC.SAV 25P 20-Dec-85 EDIT .SAV 19P 20-Dec-85 MACRO .SAV 61P 20-Dec-85 CREF .SAV 6P 20-Dec-85 LINK .SAV 49P 20-Dec-85 LIBR .SAV 24P 20-Dec-85 FILEX .SAV 22P 20-Dec-85 HELP .SAV 132P 20-Dec-85 BATCH .SAV 26P 20-Dec-85 FORMAT.SAV 24P 20-Dec-85 SETUP .SAV 41P 20-Dec-85 SPEED .SAV 4P 20-Dec-85 DATIME.SAV 4P 20-Dec-85 LET .SAV 5P 20-Dec-85 SPLIT .SAV 3P 20-Dec-85 CONFIG.SAV 7P 20-Dec-85 SWAP .SYS 27P 20-Dec-85 23 Files, 691 Blocks 95 Free blocks .copy/boot du0:rt11xm.sys du0: ?DUP-F-File not found DU0:RT11XM.SYS

16 years, 6 months

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TU-58s (was Re: Some progress with my PDP-11/73 system)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: TU-58s (was Re: Some progress with my PDP-11/73 system) > From: "Ethan Dicks" <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> > Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:54:24 -0500 > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > >On 4/11/07, Jerome H. Fine <jhfinedp3k at compsys.to> wrote: >> But I once had a project that >> used a real DEC TU-58. Not the fastest "random" >> access device!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >They work better as "sequential" access devices - being long and thin >and travelling in one dimension, go figure. We used to optimize file >order on our console TU58s to speed up the boot times on our 11/725s >and 11/730s. Since the file order doesn't change, one just builds a >TU58 with EXCHANGE with each file following the other. The console's >8-bit-micro must cache the directory block, since the tape didn't whip >back to the start between each file. > >Using unaltered console tapes from DEC resulted in, IIRC, about 15 >minutes from turning the key to booting the hard disk. Replacing that >tape with one of our own devising shortened that pre-boot time to well >under 3 minutes. > >I'd hate to rely on a TU-58 and no other block-addressable media on a >PDP-11, though. I survived a PDP-8 with a TD8E and TU56, but it was >somewhat tedious (cool to watch, though). TU-58s weren't as cool, >IMHO. So happens one of my "small" pdp-11s uses a Tu58. the system is a BA-11V with an 11/23 256k of ram, DLV11J and MRV11 rom(boot). Takes 10 minutes to boot, setup VM: then copy key files to and reboot. After that it's pretty decent even if I have to access a file on tape. Everytime I runs it with a bunch of kids of the current PC generations they go gaga and comment on how slow then I explain the amount of ram and storage then they are amazed it can be a functional machine with so little. They can't imagine a useful machine with 32kW of ram and 256kb of storage. On the flip side I've used that same Tu58 to bring up iron that had no removable storage. It's slow but very dependable. Allison

16 years, 6 months

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lead-free solder (was: Setting up a VAXstation)

by halarewich＠gmail.com

heres a link to some lead solder http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1290635&cp=2568443.2… Chris On 10/2/07, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote: > > At 11:37 PM +0100 10/1/07, Tony Duell wrote: > >For the first part, I'd offer to do it for you, but it would be illegal > >to do so. Owing to our totally daft laws, (a) I'd have to use lead-free > >solder, which I don't have, don't trust, and am not set up to use and > > How hard is it to work with lead-free solder, and is it becoming a > problem to get traditional solder in the US? I've been meaning to > pick up a few rolls. As I'm still using a roll purchased in the 80's > from Rat Shack for building a couple things for my VIC-20, I haven't > been going through it that fast. Though I seem to be using it more > often now than. > > >(b) > >it has been said that if an enthusiast (specifically a model engineer, > >but it would apply here too) does jobs for others, then his workshop > >becomes a workplace and is covered by all the daft health-and-safety > >rules that I have no desire to get involved with, and which quite > >honestly, would stop me from getting on with things. > > Does it count as a job if you don't take payment? > > Zane > > > -- > | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | > | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | > | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | > +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ > | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | > | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | > | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | >

16 years, 7 months

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Where to find memory ICs?

by trixter＠oldskool.org

Have a working Intel Above Board Plus 8 with 2MB RAM and would like to populate it to the full 8MB. It will take 120ns or faster 1mbit chips -- but where can one find that kind of thing nowadays? Are those still commercially available or am I going to have to scavenge them from somewhere else? Manual lists acceptable part numbers like: Fujitsu MB81C1000P-xx Hitachi HM511000P-xxS Mitsubishi M5M41000AP-xx Motorola M5M511000P-xx NEC UPD421000C-xx NMB AAA1M100-xx OKI M511000RS-xx Samsung KM41C1000P-xx TI TMS4C1024-xx Toshiba TC511000P-xx ...etc but google searches haven't been very fruitful (that is, the pages returned when I search for IC part numbers don't return vendors with plain pricing/availability info). I just want a few tubes of these to populate the board, I'm not looking for a box of 'em :-) Any pointers? -- Jim Leonard (trixter at oldskool.org) http://www.oldskool.org/ Help our electronic games project: http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ A child borne of the home computer wars: http://trixter.wordpress.com/

16 years, 8 months

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Bernoulli/Syquest carts available

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I've more of these than anyone will need and they're all brand new. 3 packs of Bernoulli 5.25 44meg disks KAO 5.25 88meg syquest disks. The label inside says they are formatted for Macs but includes software for wintel machines also. $1 each plus whatever for shipping and they're yours. Just say how many you want. -- I am not willing to give up my privacy for the false promise of 'security'

16 years, 9 months

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Group buy of 1541-III PCB's?

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I know there was some interest in 1541-III PCB's recently. Vincent Slyngstad and I have been discussing this since that time, and he has done up schematic in Eagle CAD and has the initial board layout done (actually three different versions using different SD Sockets). The big difference between this and the original design is that it uses through the hole parts wherever possible rather than surface mount parts. I'm trying to find out if anyone here will be interested in boards. I have a design question or two for anyone that is interested. Additionally, I'm looking for anyone familiar with SD Sockets, as neither Vince nor I are, and a couple questions have come up on the socket placement. Information on the 1541-III can be found at the creator, Jan Derogee's website http://jderogee.tripod.com/ Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

17 years, 1 month

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How not to fix a classic mac (or: fried logic boards)

by trag＠io.com

>Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:17:41 -0600 (CST) >From: "Jeff Walther" <trag at io.com> >Subject: Re: How not to fix a classic mac (or: fried logic boards) >To: cctech at classiccmp.org >Message-ID: <12318.209.163.133.242.1194974261.squirrel at webmail.io.com> >Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > >> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:45:09 -0800 >> From: Josh Dersch <derschjo at msu.edu> >> First point of business, I discharged the CRT. >> To the main chassis. This, as I have now discovered, is not what you >> are supposed to do to discharge the CRT unless you want to destroy the >> logic board. >That particular failure is documented in Larry Pina's "Macintosh Repair >and Upgrade Secrets" and probably in "The Dead Mac Scrolls" as well. I'd >look it up for you, but I don't have my books with me here. Okay, I'm home, I have my books. It says on page 98 that discharging the CRT without a big honking resistor may blow a 74LS38N (U2) on the analog board and the LAG chip on the logic board. The former sounds like it might be fairly standard. The latter sounds like it may be one of the custom programmed PALs or GALs or whatever that Tony was writing about. I wouldn't be surprised if folks had already figured out all the internal logic for the various Mac 128/512/Plus chips though. Finding it might be a bit of a challenge. OTOH, the LAG chip may be fine and it could be U2 on the analog board that has the problem. Jeff Walther

17 years, 2 months

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2.11BSD Patch 445; FPSIM fixed; 211bsd runs on systems without FPP

by W.F.J.Mueller＠gsi.de

A note to all 2.11bsd users: Some time ago I looked into running 2.11bsd on systems without floating point unit. The release notes state that this is untested and unsupported, and indeed it didn't work. Robin Birch some time ago fixed part of the issues, see patch 434, but still the kernel paniced when the very first program was started. I managed to localize and fix the problem in sys/pdp/mch_fpsim.s. Steven Schultz right away issued 2.11BSD patch #445. All patches up to and including 445 are provided by Steven under ftp://sg-1.ims.ideas.gd-ais.com/pub/2.11BSD A patch level 445 system will now boot on simh for example on a set cpu 11/70 nofpp 4m configuration and work just fine, albeit a little slower. It should thus also work on a real 11/70 without FPP. I heard of some 11/70 with non-working FPP's, so this maybe good news for the owners. With best regards, Walter Mueller -- Dr. Walter F.J. M?ller Mail: W.F.J.Mueller at gsi.de GSI, Abteilung KP3 Phone: +49-6159-71-2766 D-64291 Darmstadt FAX: +49-6159-71-3762 URL: http://www-linux.gsi.de/~mueller/

17 years, 2 months

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1000+ old computer in Canada, for sale

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

"Rawn's Buy & Sell Network" in Burnaby BC (Canada), says he has a warehouse fill of old computers to hopefully sell as a lot. Consists of mostly 80s and 90s systems, like Apple, Macs, IBMs, Next, Commodore, Atari, Tandy, Hyperion, etc. as well as tons of software. Here are some pics he sent me: http://members.cox.net/oldcomputerads/oldpics/old.html Do not contact me, please contact: rawnsbuysell at lightspeed.ca Enjoy! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121

17 years, 4 months

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xt/370 e-mail problem and stacked memory chips illustrated

by michaelryan＠mindspring.com

I have added a few new pictures to the xt/370 web site showing the stacked (and non-stacked) versions of the MCM66128L20, as well as two other examples of IBM engineering that employed stacked chips (AT motherboard and PC memory card) in the early 1980's. There are 36 pairs on the AT board to get 512K and 18 pairs on the memory card to get 64K. Obviously, these chips have different pinouts (at least select). The url is:- www.xt370.net click on the link to the left, 'Memory Technology' The question a data sheet might answer is:- does one of the new MCM66128L20 parts replace one of the old stacked pairs? --- also: -- >Subject: Re: Someone in search of XT/370 software >To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org> >He's on the list. I have at least some of VM/PC, but when I tried to >email him to let him know, I got an autoresponse from a white-list >agent, which sent me to an unresponsive URL. It was sufficiently >irritating that I figured it wasn't worth pursuing further. >Seriously, folks, if you're going to ask for help, don't make it >impossible for people to give. >ok >bear Bear's criticism is well-founded. I believe I have corrected the problem; I did receive the e-mails and have responded off-list. At any rate, I greatly appreciate the interest and am sorry for the inconvenience. Mike

17 years, 4 months

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4004 and IC history / was Re: Vintage computer photogallery

by RodSmallwood＠mail.ediconsulting.co.uk

My memory may be at fault here but that sounds like it. A quad board ... I can't recall any yellow handles. It did have the standard DEC 20mA ASR 33 conector on a bit of short grey cable hanging off the top of the board. Other early sightings at DEC VT100 prototype . Wire wrap board mounted on a piece of thick plywood. Another similar bit of plywood on top with the monitor out of a VT52 perched on it. A third bit of plywood held the keyboard. A PSU (I know not whence that came) and an Intel MDS. (8 inch Floppy based in a blue box.) So I asked the inevitable 'Why all the wood' 'It doesn't short anything out came the reply' The design of the VT100 was done by one engineer who I met but I cannot recall his name. The case was the work of an industrial designer. We all thought the case was really smart LA36 prototype another wirewrap wonder with the print mech screwed to a board. LA180 prototype as LA-36 but with the wooden board clamped to the bench to stop it leaping about. Rod Smallwood -----Original Message----- From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of William Donzelli Sent: 18 October 2007 04:12 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: 4004 and IC history / was Re: Vintage computer photogallery > I'm sure I saw a development system at DEC for the 4004 running on a PDP-8 circa 1975. I think in its collection, RCS has a DEC Y187 card (the only yellow handled Flip Chip I have ever seen) that has a 4004 on it. -- Will

17 years, 4 months

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SEBHC has moved to Google groups

by jack.rubin＠ameritech.net

SEBHC - the Society of Eight-Bit Heath Computerists - has become a Google group. If you are interested in the H8, the H89, the better half of the H/Z100, or the ETxx trainers, please come join us. We maintain an extensive archive of Heath 8-bit software, both HDOS and CP/M, as well as a large collection of hardware and software documentation. This is a great group which includes several ex-Heath employees as well as others deeply versed in the workings of these computers. The group is closed in the interests of sanity and to protect the archive; if you're interested come to http://groups.google.com/group/sebhc?lnk=gschg and request membership. Jack No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.9/1155 - Release Date: 11/27/2007 8:30 PM

17 years, 4 months

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[lisaem] LisaEm 1.2.0 - No ROMs? No problem!

by ray＠arachelian.com

LisaEm 1.2.0 is available for download right now, from the usual place: http://lisaem.sunder.net/downloads.html Many LisaEm users have complained that ROMs are too difficult to extract. The new version of LisaEm solves this by allowing you to run with out a ROM. If you wanted to try LisaEm, but couldn't because you didn't have ROMs for it, now you can! It emulates the functions of the Lisa Boot ROM as well as the Dual Parallel Card without requiring a ROM, and allows you to boot into Lisa Office System. If you've felt limited by only having a single emulated Profile hard drive because you didn't have the Dual Parallel ROM, the new version also emulates these, without requiring a ROM. All you need is Lisa Office System and LisaEm. As this is the first release of this feature, don't be surprised if you encounter bugs. Please report any unexpected behavior so that I can fix it. :-) Additionally, I've added two movies that show how to install Lisa Office System and MacWorks. (MacWorks still doesn't work properly on LisaEm however.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lisa Emulator Change History http://lisaem.sunder.net/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2007.09.19 - fixed romless floppy boot to always boot from floppy and not switch to Profile. 2007.09.15 - debugging ROMless boot. new bug: when trying to boot from floppy, if a profile exists and is bootable, LOS starts up from the Profile instead of the floppy. 2007.09.09 - David Cecchin's XPM icon in unix 2007.09.07 - added Save/Load PRAM to Preferences - Quit now closes any open Preference window as well 2007.08.29 - libdc42 macbinii encoded dart to dc42 conversion bugfix 2007.08.16 - added LOS error codes to ROMless error handler - fix raw screenshot crash 2007.08.13 - got both ROMless boot and ROMless dual parallel card to work 2007.08.06 - individual profile power controls + create new profile inside a new menu named profile. 2007.07.28 - replaced all exit() and EXIT() calls with messages before quitting emulator so at least we know what crashed. 2007.07.27 - ROMless works with both profile and floppy now. - Fixed a bug with configuration saving. 2007.07.26 - Tracelog checkmark correction 2007.07.25 - added Zap PRAM button in main Preferences panel 2007.07.23 - ROMLess booting - floppy works 2007.07.19 - ROMLess booting start 2007.07.12 - RESET opcode supervisor mode bug fix. 2007.07.10 - CPU core tests If you'd like to support this project, you can do so by sending me something from my Amazon wish list. (Used books and DVD's are perfectly fine with me.) The trains are for my kid. :) http://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/wishlist/14EOBF86ARMDT/ref=wl_web/

17 years, 4 months

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Symbolics XL400/1200

by davis＠saw.net

The machine is available in Portland Or or preferably, up the gorge in Goldendale Wa. which is located about 100 miles east of Portland. The machine could be shipped, but it would require a pallet for the case, foam for the monitor and separate packing for the drive and boards. I'm not sure how much it's worth. I have had an offer for $370. So I guess thats a start. The system includes the mono hi-res graphics monitor, space cadet keyboard, full document (user) set, but no hardware prints (sorry) and a frame tosser board. I'll throw in a couple bus mice, but they will need to be rewired. I'll fire it up and verify that it still boots. (it did 6 months ago) If you pick it up in goldendale, I'll let you dig around in my shed for other goodies. The machine is badged as a XL400 but boot reports a XL1200. I assume it's the extra memory and possibly software upgrades. It has been stored inside, in a clean dry environment since I picked it up about 7 years ago. Jim Davis.

17 years, 4 months

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Mike Quinn Electronics -- one last chance

by brian＠quarterbyte.com

Hi Folks, As many of you know, the venerable Mike Quinn Electronics in San Leandro, CA (down by the Oakland Airport) closed last Saturday with virtually no advance notice. If you're in the San Francisco Bay Area, you know Mike Quinn is the one of the very last of the nitty gritty electronics salvage shops left, with an emphasis on gritty. I stopped by today, and mentioned to Maurice, the owner, that a lot of people would have liked to have had one last shot at a visit. So, he has extented an invitation to y'all to visit next week, Tuesday through Friday February 7-10, 2006, during normal business hours, for one last shopping spree. He is trying to find a buyer for the stock in the store. This is almost certainly the last chance to visit. If you can, it's worth doing whatever you have to do to make the pilgrimage. Buy some stuff to thank Maurice for keeping it going all this time. There are zillions of connectors and components, heaps of transformers and power supplies, scads of cables and keyboards and monitors and other PC junk, a jet fighter console or two, a couple of early 80's HP desktop computers (the ones with built-in BASIC, can't recall the model numbers), lots of relays, and much more, all arranged in an archaeologically interesting and un-seismically-safe way. If you need it, they have it, and they might even be able to find it. Mike Quinn Electronics 401 McCormick Street (at the corner of Adams and McCormick) San Leandro, CA 94577 Brian

17 years, 4 months

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free SGI Origin 2000

by ingrammp＠earthlink.net

Well, they may not be exactly "classic" but they were interesting machines in their time... I have two (2) SGI Origin 2000 systems.... It's an 8 node, 195Mhz R10000, 512Mbyte, CD, 4Gbyte disk.. Has two HVD (high voltage differential as opposed to the current LVD ).. interfaces on each... and a PCI card adapter.. and a bunch of cables for connecting external disks and whatnot. Both are free for the taking and are located in Tucson..., and both were working when last turned off... stored in an air-conditioned corporate office. I'll help you load one or both onto your truck !! Mike

17 years, 4 months

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Teaching kids about computers...

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

So the boy (9yr. old) was asking last night about how computers work... any recommendations for good books for learning the basics from? I think I started out with a Sinclair Spectrum and its BASIC manual, but I really don't recall now where I found out about the fundamental building blocks of [typical] computers and how a CPU worked. There must be a good 'classic' "how computers work" type of book which avoids going on about PCs and Xboxen... I figure I should find him one of those kids electronics projects kits too (I think that was where I got my first exposure to logic gates from at about the same age) and also some old 8-bit machine to play with. I can get a Spectrum / BBC micro shipped over in a few months, but something US-built might be better; any thoughts? I did wonder about a C64, but maybe it'd be better to start with something a bit more simple? i.e. probably something Z80 or 6502-based (just because there's more resources devoted to them), generic cassette data storage, basic video abilities etc. (You know, I don't recall seeing a 'how to introduce kids to vintage computing' thread on here before :-) cheers Jules

17 years, 4 months

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Old laptop hard drive "goo"

by mikelee＠tdh.com

I just received an old-ish (1990) Toshiba T1000LE laptop and it wouldn't boot, so I took a look at the hard drive and there seems to be some type of goo oozing out of it. It's a Conner hard drive, nothing too abnormal. I didn't think a hard drive contained anything that could ooze out. Any idea what it could be and does that mean the drive is pretty much toast? Let the magic goo out?

17 years, 4 months

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these RTL or what?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: Re: these RTL or what? > From: "Roy J. Tellason" <rtellason at verizon.net> > Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 01:38:08 -0400 > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > >On Tuesday 02 October 2007 09:56, Allison wrote: >> >Subject: these RTL or what? >> > From: "Roy J. Tellason" <rtellason at verizon.net> >> > Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 02:01:29 -0400 >> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" >> > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> >> > >> >I ran across some data in the pile of what I've been collecting, and >> > there's some stuff there apparently by Signetics (?) referring to what >> > they're calling "Utilogic II" -- is this stuff RTL or what? It doesn't >> > say. Dates are in the late 1960s, and it looks like it, but I figured >> > I'd ask in here... >> >> There are many early families of saturated logic RTL is the oldest, > >Which explains why I was seeing it first, and hobby-type projects based on it >back when. The big thing of DTL was to add diodes to the input of the basic RTL structure for increased (noise immunity) input thresholds for better noise immunity. Both families were easily wired OR and systems built around it usually exploited that feature. >> DTL and it's kin "utilogic" where the intermediate sorta TTL like >> and later TTL( H,LS,S,F,AS,C,HC,HCT flavors). > >My first TTL book (which I still have) was a TI book that covered the >standard, H, and L varieties. LS and S I can understand, F and AS still >confuse me a bit, I'm not quite sure where they fit in. Then there are all >those CMOS variants. C parts are pretty uncommon these days, and I'm not >real clear on the distinction between HC and AC (I know about the ones with T >in there, just shifted thresholds on the inputs and I have a pile of 'em.) > >> In the middle of all that was ECL (also about three or four generations) a >> fast non saturating logic. > >I've read some ECL data, but have never done a darn thing with it, nor even >seen much of anything that used it. From what I understand it had some weird >packaging sometimes, very tight board layout requirements (I was mostly >thinking of wire-wrapping stuff), and was very power-hungry. I guess if I >ever want a prescaler for a counter to get *way* up there or maybe one or two >other apps I can think of I might eventually have to go there, depending on >what parts I can find. But I'm in no hurry. :-) VAX9000 built of ECL100K, fastest of the fast. The second most common use of TTL was in very high speed instrumentation and specifically frequency counters and UHF PLLs. >> What amazing is when people say "60s" you must do so with care as >> 1960 was basically germainium transistors but by 1964 silicon >> transistors are about and ICs were already appearing. Most >> integrated circuit logic was post '65 and even then from that >> point speeds went from about 3mhz to 30mhz and RTL was replaced >> by TTL by 1970. > >I did say "late 1960s" up there. :-) Even then.. ;) It's hard to imagine the rate of change. An example, Apollo Guidance Computer. The AGC was designed too be built of RTL, by time it actually flew to the moon is was actually a generation behind as TTL existed by then. Of course that really was becase of development time being so long and space systems having to be man rated (reliability assured). It was a case then of if it was out the door likely a whole new generation and technology was already in design. Where commercial computers went from transistors (1965ish PDP-5) to DTL and early TTL (1967ish PDP-8) in that same time window. Computer design and packaging underwent significant change and not all of it was grossly obvious. >> The evoloutionary scale was very steep from the mid 50s to the mid 70s. >> That 20 years window we went from computers with tubes to microprocessors, >> delays lines or other serial storage to semiconductor RAM. > >I remember seeing some of the boards from the tube stuff for sale in various >electronic junk places around. I may have even got one or two for parts, >though there was nothing to be done with those backplane connectors. I >remember one set of 9-pin sockets for which it was apparent to me that they >were using something like a 12AU7, because of the center-tapped heater >connections. :-) Yep, back then those were good sources of parts for building radios. Most however were noncomputer pulled from things like old instruments and the like. Allison

17 years, 4 months

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VAX 11/750 power supply fault

by technobug＠comcast.net

On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:02:05 -0700, J Blaser <oldcpu2 at rogerwilco.org>wrote: > In fact, a > couple of the PS PCBs went through the dishwasher to clean up the > remains to 'rodent residue'. On the whole, it seems that I got them > back together properly! ;) If there are any potentiometers on the boards that you washed, you might want to ensure that the wipers are making contact. Generally, pots are installed after a board wash unless they are sealed. An open wiper will cause many of the symptoms you are describing. An easy method is to measure the resistance across the pot and then the resistance from each leg to the wiper. The sum of the wiper to legs should equal the resistance across the pot. If the wiper appears to be disconnected, mark its position and then rotate the wiper through its travel and then back to the mark. If this fails to restore contact or the wiper contact is intermittent, replace the pot - it's not worth the effort trying to save a failing potentiometer. CRC

17 years, 4 months

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VT100 Character ROM image

by derschjo＠msu.edu

Anyone out there have a dump of the VT100 character ROM? (This is the ROM located at E4 on the VT100 PCB, labeled as 23-018E2-00) Over the upcoming holiday break I'm planning to work on my VT100 emulator (that is, an emulation of the VT100 hardware) when I'm not spending time with the folks; I have all the other ROM images but I'm missing this one. Thanks! Josh

17 years, 4 months

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Bought a 4GB USB stick today, and guess what...

by jos.mar＠bluewin.ch

.. the ( single) flash chip in it is a "HY27UV08" Either someone at Hynix has a sense of humour, or they have run right out of IC codes and have come full circle to 2708 again. Jos

17 years, 4 months

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Amiga 1000

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

does anyone operate one of these? That is does anyone favor this machine over any of the later models? Commercially ISTR it being a flop, so that might seem like a strange question, but there is no lack of strange birds on this list. If you know what I mean LOL LOL! Hey maybe I'm stranger then the rest of you birds LOL LOL LOL! anyhow interested in the thoughts that find this unit particularly enjoyable. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ

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How easy is it to damage an IBM CGA display?

by mbbrutman-cctalk＠brutman.com

I'm having a bad day here .. I mistook an IBM Industrial CGA display for a monochrome display, and plugged it into a monochrome display adapter port. There was no smoke or funny noises, but it definitely did not work. I've heard stories about the IBM monochrome displays being fragile when mishandled like this. Were the IBM CGA displays also this fragile? (I won't be able to test it until I dig out a CGA card. And now of course I'm just paranoid and hoping that I didn't hurt it.) Mike

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DoveBid Phoenix, AZ (4x) PDP 11/04 $1700, Ends Thursday 11/29/07 10:36 AM PST

by glen.slick＠gmail.com

http://www.dovebid.com/assets/display.asp?ItemID=swp1466 DEC MODEL PDP11/04 COMPUTER 4 EACH Ends Thursday 11/29/07 10:36 AM PST Phoenix, AZ Opening Bid: US$ 1,700.00 BIN: $ 2,700.00 More than I would want to pay, but someone might want these....

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New thread - Unwanted / Available parts

by mike＠brickfieldspark.org

I'd recently come across a few Ic's that I have spare and rather than bin them would prefer to pass them on. Next idea was what about a central point for members/people to look and see who has what. So I came up with this -> www.soemtron.org/partsavailable/index.html <- its an idea, would it be usefull ?, or not. There are possibly better ways. Comments please, I'd be happy to run it, but am also prepared to be shot down in flames if it already exists or is not wanted. The emails on those pages are live. Many thanks, Mike

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Does anyone have an EagleCAD library with the TIL-311 hex display?

by ethan.dicks＠usap.gov

Hi, all, I am starting a new project and was disappointed to find that the default EagleCAD libraries don't have the TIL-311 hex display already entered (or at least not that I can find). If anyone happens to have that part in a library already, it would save me entering it in. Also... if you've read this far, does anyone know off the top of their head what the TIL part number is for the *decimal* version of the TIL-311 as well as any version with an embedded counter (TIL-307? TIL-309?) I remember these parts were discussed on the list sometime back, but the specific part numbers escape me at the moment. I know I can get TIL-311s new for about $15 each, and NOS and pulls for $2-$3 each. I'm curious about the other versions in the hopes that with lower demand comes lower prices on the used market. I have enough TIL-311s on hand to do what I want, but that doesn't leave me many spares. Thanks, -ethan -- Ethan Dicks, A-333-S Current South Pole Weather at 25-Nov-2007 at 03:00 Z South Pole Station PSC 468 Box 400 Temp -32.6 F (-35.9 C) Windchill -32.6 F (-35.9 C) APO AP 96598 Wind 0.0 kts Grid 171 Barometer 678.8 mb (10674 ft) Ethan.Dicks at usap.gov http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html

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