I have chapter two of the 21MX E-Series Computer Technical Reference
Handbook scanned on my web site here:
http://www.dvq.com/docs/hp/21mx_trh_ch2.pdf
Might help.
Bob
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>Message: 3
>Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:10:13 +0100
>From: "Gooijen, Henk" <henk.gooijen at oce.com>
>Subject: looking for user manual of HP2113E or HP2117F
>To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
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> Hi,
>I am looking for the user manual (console operations) of the HP 2113E and / or HP 2117F.
>Anybody know a download site ?
>
>Reason: I won those two blinkenlight panels on eBay a few weeks ago, and want to add
>the blinkenlight RealConsole with SIMH to demonstrate the ease with which you can make
>your own "old big iron" system *if* you do not have the space or AC power to run such a
>beast. I will always admit that nothing beats the real thing though!
>
>I checked bitsavers, but as far as I can see the specific versions I am looking for are not
>there, and it is not clever to download some 10 Mb just to find out it's the wrong manual ...
>
>I know, I have way too much projects going, but hey, it beats hanging in the pub :-)
>
>- Henk, PA8PDP
>
>BTW. if I have the HP 211x panel wired, I will probably have questions about HP software
>like which OS, etc. I am reaaly totally blank on HP. I was only an end-user on HP64000
>systems as a software engineer using editor, assembler, compiler, emulator and state
>analyser IIRC, with 8085 (yuck), 6801 (ahh) and 68000 (yes!) pods). I still love the way
>the HP64000 screen used the soft key concept.
>
>
>
>
>
>Subject: Re: CUBIX/6809 updates
> From: "Dave Dunfield" <dave04a at dunfield.com>
> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:47:20 +0000
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
>
>
>> A workaround for the floppy dataseparator would be very nice...
>
>Are they that hard to find? -- I've got a little stash of them, because I find them
>all over the place (found quite a few at the local recyclers just by going through
>their bin of scrap boards) I think they were quite popular at one time. They were
>not uncommon on XT floppy controllers.
>
>I haven't build it, but I'm pretty sure I have a data-separator design from a NEC
>application note or some such kicking around - I can see if I can dig it up.
>
>Regards,
>Dave
Yes, the 9216 and friends are scarce.
If I end up scanning the apnote I'll send it to you as I dont hold a
web site.
There are two ways in TTL both work and are fairly simple. I have the
apnotes.
Allison
To bring it down to a pragmatic level - 2 possibilities
(1) for purposes of the OEM license Microsoft considers a "PC" to be almost any piece of hardware internal to a CPU. This would seem to have possibilities- maintain one piece common to a "known licensed" machine and then it should work, provided the other PC is not currently using the license.
(2) for a while anyway, if I recall correctly, MSFT policy was that a current product license would allow you to install previous versions in lieu of it on a licensed machine. If this is still true, you could aquire something along the lines of Windows 95 and install DOS 3.3 (as a prior product) instead of the Windows 95. You could not, of course, then install the 95 on another machine. MSFT was strangely quiet about *how* you would get the prior versions if you didn't have media, but as far as I can see the license is the important part.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Feldman [mailto:r_a_feldman at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:30 PM
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: 8-bit 1.44 Drive Controller (Was: Fancy Font?)
>
>
> You can buy these new from JDR Microdevices for $28.88. You
> have to use this
> one as the primary disk controller, but it supports up to
> four 360kB, 720kB,
> 1.2MB or 1.44MB floppy drives.
>
> http://www.jdr.com/interact/item.asp?itemno=MCT-FDC-HD4
>
Anyone know if these can be made to work as 4 drive controllers in Linux?
Kelly
Hi,
I am looking for the user manual (console operations) of the HP 2113E and / or HP 2117F.
Anybody know a download site ?
Reason: I won those two blinkenlight panels on eBay a few weeks ago, and want to add
the blinkenlight RealConsole with SIMH to demonstrate the ease with which you can make
your own "old big iron" system *if* you do not have the space or AC power to run such a
beast. I will always admit that nothing beats the real thing though!
I checked bitsavers, but as far as I can see the specific versions I am looking for are not
there, and it is not clever to download some 10 Mb just to find out it's the wrong manual ...
I know, I have way too much projects going, but hey, it beats hanging in the pub :-)
- Henk, PA8PDP
BTW. if I have the HP 211x panel wired, I will probably have questions about HP software
like which OS, etc. I am reaaly totally blank on HP. I was only an end-user on HP64000
systems as a software engineer using editor, assembler, compiler, emulator and state
analyser IIRC, with 8085 (yuck), 6801 (ahh) and 68000 (yes!) pods). I still love the way
the HP64000 screen used the soft key concept.
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Well, IMHO, Win95 was rather close to a real multitasking system, at
least for Win32 programs. Maybe not as good as Linux or even NT, but
it got the job done and got it done significantly better than 3.x
And before people go bashing 95 anymore, I want to go on record as
saying it's one of the few M$ products I actually like. It runs well
on even a 486 with only 8 MB of RAM (already an almost obsolete config
by the time Win95 came out) and has one of the cleanest, nicest GUIs
around (bested at the time only by NeXT and OS/2 WPS)
For those who've not seen it on the comp.os.cpm newsgroup, here's part
of a message posted by Craig Landrum:
> After quite a saga, I've been successful in resurrecting my
> copy of Cromemco's MCB-216 3K Control Basic and Monitor for
> the Cromemco Single Card Computer. In the next couple of days
> I will be moving the .HEX file from my CP/M machine to my Mac
> G5 and can then provide it to anyone that needs it. I don't
> have a website so perhaps Mr. Harte or another volunteer could
> post the .HEX files to their sites if I email it to them. Let
> me know if you want the files. I also have the 3K control
> Basic doc and the Z-80 monitor doc, but that's available
> elsewhere online. FYI, there are two .HEX files - one for
> each of the 2716 EPROMs in the MCB-216 set, and they are short
> - about 4K apiece (duh).
Craig has promised me a copy of the EPROM image files, possibly at the
weekend, and I'll put them on my website somewhere, possibly along with
the docs. He gave his consent to tell the list, and also said that
listmembers can email him directly: "craigl" <craigl AT removethis DOT
mindwrap DOT com>
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
On 12/13/05, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
>
> At 4:36 PM -0500 12/13/05, Bryan Pope wrote:
> >Speaking of GUIs for older IBMs I also remember one called GEM. Does
> >anyone know who developed it?
>
> Wasn't that "Digital Research", the same people that did CP/M?
>
Yep. It's now available under open source licensing and still works under
most DOS versions. While GEM is a GUI, it's not multitasking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeGEM
Message: 11
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:45:42 -0600
From: "Wolfe, Julian " <ISC277 at CLCILLINOIS.EDU>
Subject: Anyone interested in a group purchase of
MCM68766 chips?
To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic
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I would be interested in 8 to 16 of them for upgrading
a Tektronix 4052 computer.
Bob
Hey everyone,
Are any of you interested in a group purchase of
MCM68766 EPROM chips?
These are used in M8189s and possibly in some other
DEC equipment. I'm
looking to upgrade my M8189 to a -BJ with these chips.
Unfortunately the places that sell them are asking for
a $150-200
minimum
order.
If you're interested, let me know.
Julian
>
>Subject: Re: Copyright -- was PC-DOS 3.3
> From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com>
> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:42:13 -0800
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
>
>On 12/13/2005 at 12:24 AM 9000 VAX wrote:
>
>>One question. I often can find old abandoned PC's. Most of them are
>>with software. Am I authorized to use the software I found? One step
>>further, could I copy them to my own PC and use them? Examples are MKS
>>tool kit, MS C 6.0, several versions of DOS, Qedit, PC tools. I admit
>>that I am not bothered by this issue. I am just curious about the
>>'main stream' opinion.
>
>I suppose that would depend on the EULA, wouldn't it? Some permit transfer
>of license with or without charge, others don't.
>
The MS EULA is simple. If the machine dies and you pitch it you supposed
to buy everything new. You may however repair it, for whatever that really
amounts to. They want you to spend, spend, spend.
Allison
