>
>Subject: Re: Good haul of old pc stuph
> From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com>
> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:43:05 -0800
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
>
>On 12/15/2005 at 9:52 AM Allison wrote:
>
>>All it took was a 8bit/16bit trnaslation usinga pair of latches
>>and some buffers. the only part of IDE thats actually 16bits
>>wide is data transfers, the registers are bytes. The MFM
>>controllers of the time had the same register layout. The
>>WD1003 was likely the best known ISA16 (WD1002 was the ISA8
>>version) controller for MFM and it's just like talking to
>>an IDE drive.
>
>Quite a number of the early IDE drives would also support 8 bit data
>transfers if IOCS16- wasn't pulled low. Somewhere on the web, there's a
>site from someone who's compiled a list of these. Many early sound cards
>included an extra IDE port for the purpose of hooking up a CD drive.
List them, please. I've found only two flavors of 3.5" IDE from WD and
thats it. Best I've seen is it was spec'd in but almost never implmented.
I have a large (n>20) selection of 500mb and smaller down to 20mb IDE
drives and it's amazing so few that support 8bit data.
Allison
Hi List,
Sorry for the long post. My insurance settlement (from a basement flood) is FINALLY settled and I'm having a massive pre-Christmas inventory reduction. I have a whole bunch of HP64000 Logic Development System parts that need new homes (see lists below). No hard drive, thoguh -- which is why I'm getting rid of the system. It's all from the early/mid 1980s and was pretty cool at the time. Actually, some of it still is!!! I belileve that it's all in good working condition (at least there were no problems last time it was used -- though that was a couple of years ago for most of it. No guarantees, though.). There are also a couple of bags of miscellaneous cables etc. and a few boxes of floppies available to whoever wants most of the hardware.
I'm located in Saskatoon, SK, Canada so shipping on the mainframes (or massive boxes of manuals) might get expensive. I'm willing to crate and ship if required -- though it might take a few days...
Any and all offers (of $$$ or just good homes) would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Pat
Manuals
Owner's Manual 7941 and 7945 Disc Drive -- September 1984 (07940-90901)
Site Environmental Requirements for Disk/Tape Drives -- August 1983 (5955-3456)
Model 64100A Mainframe Service Manual -- February 1983 (64100-90910) - 2 copies
Model 64151A Emulation Memory Controller -- May 1982 (64151-90901)
Model 64155A Wide Address Memory Controller -- June 1981 (64155-90901)
Model 64161A/126A/163A Emulation Memory -- July 1983 (64161-90901)
Model 64161A/126A/163A Emulation Memory -- January 1984 (64161-90901)
Model 64191A 6805 Emulator Controller -- January 1983 (64191-90901)
Model 64192A 6804 R/U Emulator Pod -- January 1983 (64192-90901)
Emulator/Analyzer 6805P -- April 1983 (64193-90903)
Model 64200A Emulator/Analyzer 8080/8085 -- April 1983 (64200-90908)
Model 64201A 8080/85 Emulator Control Board -- July 1983 (64200-90909)
Model 64203A 8085 Emulation Pod -- May 1982 (64203-90902)
Model 64214A 6809 Emulator Control Board -- March 1983 (64214-90901)
Model 64215/64216 Emulator/Analyzer 6809/6809E -- September 1982 (64215-90903)
Model 64215A 6809 Emulator Pod -- July 1983 (64215-90902)
Model 64261A 8048 Emulator Controller -- August 1982 (64261-90901)
Model 64261A Emulator /Analyzer 8048 -- July 1983 (64261-90903)
Model 64262A 8048 Emulator Pod -- December 1981 (64262-90901)
Model 64263A 8951 Emulator Control Card -- April 1984 (64263-90901)
Model 64264A 8051 Emulator/Analyzer Reference Manual -- May 1984 (64264-09091)
Model 64264A 8051 Emulator Pod -- April 1984 (64264-90902)
Model 64302A Wide Logic Analyzer -- May 1982 (64302-90902) - 2 copies
Model 64304A Emulation Bus Preprocessor -- October 1983 (64304-90902)
Model 64310A Software Performance Analyzer -- March 1983 (64310-90901)
Software Performance Analyzer -- April 1983 (64310-90902)
Model 64620A Logic State/Software Analyzer Reference Manual November 1983 (64620-90903)
Model 64621A State Analysis Control Board -- June 1983 (64621-90903)
Model 64622A 40 Channel State Acquisition Board -- August 1983 (64622-90902)
Model 64304A Emulation Bus Preprocessor -- October 1983 (64304-90902)
PROM Programmer Reference Manual -- August 1982 (64500-90909)
Model 64500S Positive PROM Programmer -- October 1982 (64500-90910)
Model 64601A Timing Analysis Control Board -- October 1982 (64601-90904)
Model 64601A Logic Timing Analyzer Reference Manual -- July 1983 (64601-90905) - 2 copies
Model 64602A Timing Acquisition Board -- November 1982 (64602-90902)
Model 64502A Positive PROM Programmer Module -- January 1981 (64502-90903)
Model 64604A Timing Analysis Probe -- October 1982 (64604-90902)
Model 64515C PROM Programmer Module -- July 1983 (64515-90903)
Model 64620S Logic State/Software Analyzer Reference Manual -- March 1984 (64620-90905)
Model 64650A General Purpose Preprocessor -- October 1983 (64650-90902) - 2 copies
Model 64941A Flexible Disk (Floppy) Drive Controller -- April 1983 (64941-90902) - 2 copies
Flexible Disk Drive Reference Manual -- January 1983 (64941-90905)
C/64000 Compiler Reference Manual -- February 1983 (64800-90907)
Pascal/64000 Compiler Reference Manual -- June 1982 (64800-90908) - 2 copies
Pascal/64000 Reference Manual -- January 1894 (64800-90909)
Model 64810A Pascal/64000 Compiler Supplement 8085 -- October 1983 (64810-90902)
Pascal/64000 Compiler Supplement 6809 -- February 1983 (64813-90903)
Model 64822AF/AT C/64000 Compiler Supplement 6809 Family -- May 1985 (64822-90901)
Assembler Supplement 6805 / 6809 -- July 1983 (64844-09094) - 2 copies
Model 64845A Assembler Supplement MC68000 -- February 1983 (64845-90903)
Model 64855A Assembler Supplement 8051 -- December 1980 (64855-90902)
Model 64941A Flexible Disk Drive Reference Manual -- January 1984 (64941-90906)
Model 64100AF/AT System Overview -- February 1982 (64980-90912) - 2 copies
Measurement System Reference Manual -- May 1982 (64980-90922)
Model 64100AF/AT Measurement System Reference Manual -- July 1985 (64980-90922)
System Software Reference Manual -- January 1983 (64980-90928)
Installation and Configuration Reference Manual -- July 1983 (64980-90929) - 2 copies
Editor Manual -- January 1984 (64980-90930)
Editor Manual -- March 1985 (64980-90930)
File Format Reference Manual -- May 1985 (64980-90933)
System Software Reference Manual -- May 1985 (64980-90934)
Terminal Mode Operating Manual -- January 1985 (64980-90935)
Emulator / Internal Analysis 8-bit Reference Manual -- September 1981 (64980-90996)
Assembler/Linker Reference Manual -- July 1983 (64980-90997) - 3 copies
Assembler Supplement 8048 Series -- April 1980 (no P/N - photocopy of manual)
Software (5-1/4 floppies)
64100-12036 REV 2346A DISK FORMAT, FIX, TEST (1 OF 3)
OPERATING SYSTEM (2 OF 3)
OPERATING SYSTEM (3 OF 3)
64192-12002 REV 2309A 6805 R/U&P Emulation (1 disk)
64215-12006 REV 2316A 6809 EMULATION
64262-12003 REV 2320 33283 8048 EMULATION (1 disk)
64264-12000 REV 2417A 8051 EMULATOR (1 disk)
64304-12001 REV 2350A EBPP PV & INVERSE ASMBS (1 disk)
64304-12002 REV 2420A EBPP PV (1 disk)
64500-12003 REV 2329 33383 PROM PROGRAMMER (1 disk)
64600-12003 REV 2326A TIMING (2 disks)
64620-12005 REV 2350A STATE (2 disks)
64620-12006 REV 2421A STATE (2 disks)
64810-12009 REV 2420A PASCAL COMP 8080/8085 (2 disks)
64813-12007 REV 2419A PASC_COMP_6809 (2 disks)
64822-12005 REV 1.05 6809 C COMPILER (2 disks)
64840-12009 REV 2234A 8080/5 ASSEMBLER/LINKER (1 disk)
64844-12009 REV 2315A 6805/9 ASSEMBLER/LINKER (1 disk)
64846-12005 REV 2219 28782 8048 FAMILY ASSEMBLER (1 disk)
64855-12003 REV 2234A 8051 ASSEMBLER/LINKER (1 disk)
8085 Software for 64K (handwritten label -- copy of original disk???)
All software also recorded on tape cartridge for 7912 disk/tape drive
Hardware
64100A Mainframe w/ 400W Power Supply S/N 2336A 04994
64100A Mainframe w/ 400W Power Supply S/N 2336A 06404
Boards
64151A Static RAM Control Board (2 boards)
64155A Wide Memory Address Control Board
64162A 64K RAM Board (2 boards)
64191A 6805 Emulator Control Board
64201A 8080/8085 Emulator Control Board
64214A 6809 Emulator Control Board
64261A 8048 Control and Emulator Boards (2 board set)
64263A 8051 Emulator Control Board
64302A WD Anzlyzer Board (2 boards)
64304A Emulation Bus Preprocessor Board
64310A Software Performance Analyzer Board
64501A PROM Programmer Board
64601A Timing Analyzer Control Board
64602A Timing Analyzer Board
64621A State Analyzer Control Board
64633A State Analyzer 40 Channel Board
64941A Floppy Disk Control Board (2 boards)
Pods etc,
64192A 6805 Emulator Probe
64203A 8085 Emulator Probe
64215A 6809 Emulator Probe
64262A 8048 Emulator Probe
64264A 8051 Emulator Probe
64502A PROM Prog Module (Intel 2716, 2758. TI 2516, 2532)
64509A PROM Prog Module (Intel 2732, 2732A)
64515C PROM Prog Module (Intel 2764, 27128, 27256. TI 2564)
64604A 8 Channel Timing Pod (with 7 leads)
>
>Subject: Re: CUBIX/6809 updates
> From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell)
> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:35:50 +0000 (GMT)
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
>
>> >Or do like I did in the original portable unit - put on a 6845 and do your
>> >own video display.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> No way that would work, as I don't have a TTL level monitor here, or a
>> real keyboard...
>
>Well, you could make them!. For the monitor, convert a portable TV (I
>wonder if those little 5" B&W TVs that seem to be available everwhere can
>be turned into something useful. I can't believe they're that complicated
>inside...). For the keyboard, either pull apart a PC keyboard and use the
>swithc matrix, or make an interface between the PC keyboard (PS/2 type
>port, I guess) and the rest of the system
You can find PC keyboards with 8048/9 or 8051 and put a reporgramed MPU
in. The reprogram can be done one of two ways, disable the internal rom
and piggy back a LS373 and 2716 or use the 87xx eprom part.
An those small B&W TVs are very modifyable, though at 5" 80char lines are
going to be tiny. There's at least one person out there that did it.
Or find a old HERC compatable (9pin) monochrome PC display even when
not working they are easy to fix.
Allison
>
>Subject: Re: Data seps for FDC
> From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com>
> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:54:41 -0800
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
>
>On 12/15/2005 at 8:33 AM Allison wrote:
>
>>Anyone that needs info on how to build a data sep for the 765 for any
>>data rate let me know direct. I have scanned relevent parts of two NEC
>>Apnotes with the info needed. I do not have a web site where I can
>>post them. They are fairly large .JPG.
>
>Are WD9216's that hard to come by? 8 pins, no waiting.
>
>Cheers,
>Chuck
Generally yes. there is some NOS around. For those that can't find it
or don't want it there are many ways arount it.
Me I ahve a few 9229s that do all clock generation and a few custom
gate arrays that do 9229 plus all the decode and drive interface for
765. So it's not an issue for me.
Allison
Hi,
I would like to find a good home for a Molecular M200 multicomputer. This is a multiuser system from the late 70s early 80s, and I understand it was based on Z80 cards dedicated to each user, sharing via a bus a hard drive and floppy drive for data and program storage. It is roughly 70cm tall, 30cm wide and 60cm deep and weighs about 60kg. This relic doesn't work, and it is likely that the hard drive has failed.
If you are within the area north of the M25, East of the M1 and south of Peterborough (preferably Hertfordshire, Bedfordshire, Cambridgeshire, Essex or Suffolk) and can give this box some TLC please e-mail me.
Regards,
John
Anyone that needs info on how to build a data sep for the 765 for any
data rate let me know direct. I have scanned relevent parts of two NEC
Apnotes with the info needed. I do not have a web site where I can
post them. They are fairly large .JPG.
Allison
WordPerfect used a separate program called Convert.exe to translate other
formats. The version with WP 5.1 can translate to WP from:
Revisable-Form-Text (IBM DCA)
Final-Form-Text (IBM DCA)
Navy DIF
WordStar 3.3
Multimate Advantage II
Seven-bit Transfer
WordPerfect 4.2
Mail Merge to WP Secondary Merge
Word 4.0
DisplayWrite
It can also translate from WP to:
Revisable-Form-Text (IBM DCA)
Final-Form-Text (IBM DCA)
Navy DIF
WordStar 3.3
Multimate Advantage II
Seven-bit Transfer
ASCII text
WP Secondary merge to Spreadsheet DIF
Bob
Message: 13
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:42:43 -0500
From: "Curt @ Atari Museum" <curt at atarimuseum.com>
Subject: Re: WordPerfect for DOS 5.1
To: General at smtp3.suscom.net, "Discussion at smtp3.suscom.net":On-Topic
and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
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I was told that Wordperfect can import and read Dec Word-11 and WPS All
in One files, is this true????
Curt
I remember when I first used this piece of low-budget software 12 years
ago that it had some interesting bugs, most of which surfaced when you
used 'clever' features of C++, such as pure virtuals, destructors, etc.
I've been using it to do a small TCP/IP implementation for a PCjr and
have been sticking to vanilla C. After a few weeks of coding I've hit a
bug that has just bewildered me.
Take the following code:
#include <stdio.h>
#include "IP.h"
IpAddr_t MyIpAddr;
char *Ip::formatAddress( const IpAddr_t a, char *buffer ) {
char bogus[] = "";
sprintf( buffer, "%d.%d.%d.%d", a[0], a[1], a[2], a[3] );
return buffer;
}
If I *dont* have the 'char bogus[]' line in there, the call to sprintf
always returns zero. If I have that extra line in there, the call to
sprintf works as expected.
Another work-around is to not use the 'char bogus[]' trick, and just
repeat the call to sprintf. The second one will work.
Yet another trick is to move the function to the end of the file ...
After a few hours of wrestling with this I am fairly sure it is a bug in
the linker, and it has to do with the string constant on the sprintf.
If it is the first string constant in the file, it doesn't work. If I
do anything that adds another string constant before that one, it works,
even if the other string constant is never referenced or used.
Has anybody run into something similar to this? I'm using tdump
(supplied with the compiler), the linker's map file, and debug to try to
figure out the code gen and the suspected fixup error, but I can't see
anything obviously wrong. Hints on tracking this would be appreciated.
Mike
