Cameron Kaiser <spectre at floodgap.com> wrote:
> What, because they used a *graphical* installer?
No, because they encrypted the ZIPs to make it impossible to bypass said
installer.
MS
I don't remember if this was already reported, but the underground hatch
on tonight's repeat of Lost is apparently controlled by an Apple II (with
an "execute" key).
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>
>Subject: RE: PC Ephemera
> From: Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com>
> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:12:18 -0700 (PDT)
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
>
>On Wed, 26 Oct 2005, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>> Not AFAIK. It was very difficult to buy the "bare" PC retail, what with
>> demand being as strong as it was. Most units were sold with at least one
>> 160K floppy.
>
>prob'ly mostly because they were charging about $500 for a Tandon TM100-1!
>(and a few hundred $ for each row of 16K RAMs)
>
>In fall 1981, I was able to buy a bare 5150, plus FDC and CGA.
>I had plenty of RAM and floppies in stock for TRS-80s.
>
>I wasn't able to get another bare one until summer 1982.
>
>By 1983, the college where I teach was buying that configuration a dozen
>at a time.
>
>> I can recall trying the interface out and saying "yes, it works", but the
>> most useful aspect of it was the motor control relay.
>
>Yep!
>I used it just long enough to confirm that it would not be a good way to
>distribute software.
Harrumph! I'd given up in "audio cassette interface" back in 1976 as
mostly useless. I was rolling on the floor laughing when I got to see
the "PC" and it has the bit bash trash cassette interface. That was a
definate "you gotta be kidding right?" moment.
Why laugh? My desktop had a multibus 8086 system running at 8mhz with
a full megabyte (no rom holes) and four 8" DSDD (NEC!) drives in the
spring of 1982.
Allison
Hey everyone,
I'm in need of one or more sets of support brackets for a BA11-S box
cover...you know, the two black ears that go off the rear of the cover and
mount to the back of the chassis.
Let me know if you have 'em to part with...
Julian
>
>Subject: RE: PC Ephemera
> From: "Richard A. Cini" <rcini at optonline.net>
> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:50:49 -0400
> To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
>
>I actually have one of these. My wife's uncle worked at IBM and bought the
>PC and the expansion unit "way back when". It was a PC case with a backplane
>and the interface card, connected by a 3' shielded cable which IMHO was way
>too stiff for normal use. This unit has a 20mb hard drive in it and the last
>time I used it (3-4 years ago) it worked fine.
>
>If $2850 was the original price, that's a rip off. It's an empty PC case, a
>backplane, power supply and an ISA card. $400 in parts at the most.
Well in 1983 a SA400L was still a 199$ item, The "kit" from intel
(8284A, 8088, 8255, 8253 and 8259) was 12$/Q10,000. DRAMS 64K were still
up the price curve 8$/10,000. Large Eproms 8Kx8 2764 or the big 27128
were not cheap either. The raw 765A was around 5$/Q1000. The board was
covered with TTL and a few PALs. Monitors were over 100$ for monochrome
and color was around 400$.
Yes, they were stinking expensive. Then again at the same time even a
NS* machine loaded (48k two drives, no hard disk) was around 1600$.
Allison
I'd look at Darik's Boot and Nuke (dban.sourceforge.net) Based on Linux which, while not classic, has good support for Alpha AXP, and DBAN has credibility. build one for AXP and use it.
Sadly, being Linux based it won't run on many classic systems (e.g. VAXen, PDPs, . . .) but it's possible that someone could do an xBSD port.
The chat about the FDC reminded me of a data acquisition project I've had
partly completed for a couple of years.
Where is a good source for purchasing small-quantity ICs in the US? In
particular, I'm looking for a few 64Kx9 async FIFOs (e.g. IDT7208 or
CY7C466) in DIP packages (I can find the Cypress part at DigiKey, but only
in QFP).
Suggestions would be welcome.
Cheers,
Chuck
>
>Subject: Re: RL01 drive select plug and power supply questions
> From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at Update.UU.SE>
> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:16:33 +0200 (CEST)
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
>
>On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Allison <ajp166 at bellatlantic.net> wrote:
>
>> >Subject: Re: RL01 drive select plug and power supply questions
>> > From: David Betz <dbetz at xlisper.mv.com>
>> > Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:26:02 -0400
>> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
>> >
>> >Thanks for your reply. I guess I'm okay with power even if I leave in
>> >the DHV11 as it seems my BA11-N has been upgraded to a H7861 power
>>
>> Unless you need the IO I'd pull it anyway. The system will run cooler
>> and I doubt you have need for the lines. DHV11 is a MUX and you need
>> the chassis kit to break out all the serial lines. Most OSs for PDP11
>> don't use it (system build time option) and the DLV11J is easier to use
>> and program. The DHV11 cannot be used for a console either.
>
>I think I'll slightly disagree with you here.
>While all you say is essentially true, the DLV11 is a tremendour burden on
>the system compared to the DHV11. So if you actually want to run serial
>connections to a machine, keep the DHV11, and don't use the console more
>than absolutely neccesary.
>
>Big difference between DMA and interrupts you know...
Yes I do. However for a single user system the load is not an issue.
If your running a timeshare system such as RSTS or RSX with more than one
user then DHV11 sense as well.
For most of my 11s four lines is the limit for what I can seem to keep busy.
Figure a user terminal, LA100 Printer and serial line for modem or data
line to another system. At the extreme I've run two terminals for OSs
that support that but, I can only type on on at any instant. ;)
Allison
I use BG Micro a lot for some older semis, including plain "S" TTL ones and
various SRAMs.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Paul Koning
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 11:31 AM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: US Sources for old ICs
>>>>> "Chuck" == Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> writes:
Chuck> The chat about the FDC reminded me of a data acquisition
Chuck> project I've had partly completed for a couple of years.
Chuck> Where is a good source for purchasing small-quantity ICs in
Chuck> the US? In particular, I'm looking for a few 64Kx9 async
Chuck> FIFOs (e.g. IDT7208 or CY7C466) in DIP packages (I can find
Chuck> the Cypress part at DigiKey, but only in QFP).
Jameco tends to have the older stuff in the older packages. They
still sell 4116s, for example, and 7400 series (plain 7400, not the
74ABCDEF00 newfangled variants).
paul
>
>Subject: Re: US Sources for old ICs
> From: Paul Koning <pkoning at equallogic.com>
> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:43:57 -0400
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
>
>>>>>> "Joe" == Joe R <rigdonj at cfl.rr.com> writes:
>
> Joe> The small surface mount only packages are a BIG problem for
> Joe> individuals that want to build a single circuit. A friend of
> Joe> mine designs and builds a lot of circuits commercailly and he's
> Joe> always raising hell with the IC manufacturers and trying to get
> Joe> them to produce chips in DIP packages. I keep telling him that
> Joe> it's hopeless.
>
>There's at least one company that builds SMT to DIP adapters, so you
>can plug SMT packaged chips into DIP prototyping systems and the like.
>
>Of course manufacturers don't want to use DIPs. They are electrically
>inferior. For that matter, they are also obsolete -- if they made DIP
>packaged chips they would certainly be very low volume products.
>
>I understand the preference for DIPs in amateur work, though SMT isn't
>really all that hard. But I can't imagine any reason for wanting DIPs
>in new commercial designs. They are bigger, slower, not RoHS
>compliant, ...
>
I prefer the larger SMT parts but I don't get worked up if what I get
is what I can get. At upper HF and VHF/UHF SMT is the way to go even
if your doing deadbug (ugly over groundplane).
Allison
