> From: Zane H. Healy
>
> > I've got here the Digital UNIX (a.k.a. D/UX, right?) v3.2F CD box
> >here. The way the docs read, without an OSF-BASE license PAK, I can have
> >only 1 user logged in at a time, not counting root. the OSF-BASE PAK will
> >let me have 2 simultaneous users, and anything higher needs an
> appropriate
> >OSF-USER PAK, right?
> > Either way, I'm hoping to get my hands on a OSF-BASE PAK, at least.
>
> You might just want to buy the Tru64 V5.1 Hobbyist Kit. It's about $100,
> and it includes PAK's. Or better yet, put OpenVMS on the system :^)
>
> Zane
> --
>
OpenVMS? Maybe eventually. When I started really getting into
computer work, it was as an operator, on an OpenVMS system... But since I
do have the CDs and docs here for D/UX, I'll give it a whirl, and see if it
fits my needs.
Does it allow only one user at a time, without the OSF-BASE PAK?
This afternoon I'll be firing up my 3000/400 to see what's
installed, before I try throwing D/UX on it...
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Dan Wright <dtwright(a)uiuc.edu> wrote:
>Tarsi said:
>
>Though, I think any machines that are truly on-topic wouldn't be able to run
>IRIX 6.5 anyway ;)
>
>- Dan Wright
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>
I've successfully installed 6.5 on an Indy with a 2 Gig drive. Barebones with only 2 Gig, but it runs:)
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> From: Chris
>
> > And Chris, couldn't you tell I' was breaking your stones? C'mon,
> >you've seen my basement... :)
>
> Yes... but your statement was still correct. I implied that Apple was far
> better than it really is when compared to things outside the wintel
> world. I was simply wrong in that respect.
>
> Besides, how could you be anything but pro-Mac... you proudly display
> your OS X uptime in your sig
>
> -chris
>
Well, I'm not sure if it's really pro-Mac, but more of pro-OS X, or
is it pro-*BSD, and a bit of 'about time someone took it to the masses'.
And I should fix my sig, it's now 10.1.4...
[~] dwoycies% uname -a
Darwin dwoyciesjes-g4.unipress.yale.edu 5.4 Darwin Kernel Version 5.4: Wed
Apr 10 09:27:47 PDT 2002; root:xnu/xnu-201.19.3.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC Power
Macintosh powerpc
And I should clarify, the only reason this machine has been rebooted
since I loaded OS X back on 1/22/2002 is because Apple hasn't figured out
how to update the system without a reboot... So that's only 3 reboots, all
by choice, not crashes.
So, technically the "Running without a crash" isn't really wrong.
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>You mean it'll work with the older mac's? It has a "normal" (for MAC's)
>video
>cable, and its model number is 1710AV.
I just checked the tech manual for the 1710AV, it indeed has the standard
RGB plug, so you should be good to go with just about any mac that has an
RGB port. Some of the older ones will only be able to display in 640x480
resolution, but the Q650 you are looking into will do higher.
If you want the PDF of the manual, let me know, I'll send it to you
offlist. It's about 3.6MB, has some interesting notes about repair
problems with that model (Apple even has/had a repair extension program
in place for some of it)
>It has what appears to be
>pass-through's for the mouse and for a mike, that funny thing that looks like
>the USB symbol but isn't
That's the ADB port. Predates USB by some time. The idea was you could
run one cable bundle from the screen to the Mac, and then be able to plug
the keyboard and mic into the screen (mouse would be connected to the
keyboard's ADB port).
>but it's only a 16"
>diagonal visible (not viewable) screen so I don't think it's supposed to be a
>17", though you never know these days.
It is listed as a 17" with 16.1" viewable image size. Although, it was
made back in the day when apple was a little less than honest with their
screen sizes (before they were sued over it), so who knows what it really
has.
>I saw a
>Quadra 650 or something on that order for $5 earlier today. It had a part of
>the front face missing, else I'd have probably looked inside.
Probably missing the CD bezel. Most likely it was stripped of the CD
before being junked. If the CD is missing, verify that the rest of the
system is there, who knows what else was pulled.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Yep, this is about 4 years shy of being on topic, but I know I can
find help here...
I've got here the Digital UNIX (a.k.a. D/UX, right?) v3.2F CD box
here. The way the docs read, without an OSF-BASE license PAK, I can have
only 1 user logged in at a time, not counting root. the OSF-BASE PAK will
let me have 2 simultaneous users, and anything higher needs an appropriate
OSF-USER PAK, right?
Either way, I'm hoping to get my hands on a OSF-BASE PAK, at least.
The DEC 3000/400 that this will be installed on, I have never seen
what OS is on there now. Maybe I'll get lucky and there will be a valid
OSF-BASE PAK there already? Nah, doubt it. Not my luck. I think the previous
owner said something about NetBSD on it...
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>Now there's one of the problems with Apple's approach ... My old (1993-94)
>'486 setups support PCI, (some of 'em ... the ones I use) while these old
>MAC's don't because Apple was slow to adopt PCI.
Not slow to adopt... too arrogant to get with the program and stop using
their own standards.
The first PCI based macs showed up in 1995
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
> And Chris, couldn't you tell I' was breaking your stones? C'mon,
>you've seen my basement... :)
Yes... but your statement was still correct. I implied that Apple was far
better than it really is when compared to things outside the wintel
world. I was simply wrong in that respect.
Besides, how could you be anything but pro-Mac... you proudly display
your OS X uptime in your sig
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
> >Now there's one of the problems with Apple's approach ... My old (1993-94)
> >'486 setups support PCI, (some of 'em ... the ones I use) while these old
> >MAC's don't because Apple was slow to adopt PCI.
>
> Not slow to adopt... too arrogant to get with the program and stop using
> their own standards.
I've always thought of apple as the Sony of Computing...
there may be fans of the memory stick here, but Sony was
slow to come out with high-density versions... hell, in
the CompactFlash format, I can eschew solid state for a
tiny 1-inch IBM 1GB hard drive... now *that's* density!
-dq
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris [mailto:mythtech@mac.com]
> specifying that on this list, I opened the comment to compare
> them to a
> slew of machines that would blow Apple out of the water.
I imagined you would be comparing them directly to peesees, but
I couldn't pass that up.
> Sorry it was my
> Mac Evangelist side popping out too quickly.
That's ok. I like to evangelize VMS once in a while.
> Ok... I was thinking security as in how often we loose or
> destroy your
> files. Not how often we let someone steal your files. No
That's different. I've seen it happen, of course, but I'd
rather handle the MacOS "corrupt preferences" problem that is
so common than the windows "I just stomped on the wrong DLL"
counterpart. :)
> Apple doesn't
> excel at keeping the files intact, but they are no worse than
> many others.
I often think that windows machines should come with a VAX/PDP-like
"Write protect fixed disk 0" button. :)
> In terms of allowing someone to steal or alter your files, I
> agree, short
> of encrypting the files, there is nothing acceptable on the
> Mac pre-OS X
Of course, PGP is fine for that, but I wasn't counting it since
it's third-party.
> I have seen few even half way decent security systems to keep
> people off
> your Mac. And even the half way decent ones tend to be easy
> to bypass if
> you have sufficient access to the machine (ie: steal it and take your
> time)
Even if not, I've seen far too many that can be disabled by hitting "shift"
during boot-up.
> Although, in the Mac's defense, in terms of "hacker" access
> from over the
> internet, I will trust my Mac running any pre-OS X version of the OS
> before I will trust ANY other OS (even well configured Unix). In that
Are you certain? If the Mac was running the same network services as
that Unix box, I'd bet your chances of a problem are even -- if not
worse on the Mac, due to their popularity among "home users," which
unix isn't...
> line, then I stand by my overly stated statement saying that
> the Mac has
> far better security.
I think that the closer-to-default Mac configuration is better by virtue
of it's not running unnecessary network services. The Unix one needs a
lot of help in that respect. Now, if a given system must run these
services, or if you want to compare a Unix set up to be "Mac like" in
this respect to a Mac, it's a whole different thing.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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'
> From: Chris
>
> >> WOAH?!? That's just a shot from the dark... Apple is known for how good
>
> >> their quality IS... sure they had a few flops, but most of their
> hardware
> >> is built well, and built to last. And security? Um... compared to what?
>
> >> Windows? BWAA HAA HAA HAA HAA!!!
> >>
> >> -chris
> >>
> > Really Chris? Then why was I very busy making good money doing
> >Apple/Mac support at Electric Boat up here? ;)
>
> Sorry, that was a poorly worded direct comparison to the PC WinTel world.
> Having done Mac and PC hardware repair for the last don't know how long,
> I can tell you that PCs break down 10x more often than a Mac. Hardware
> wise that is. Software wise, well, that isn't fair... Windows just isn't
> up to the task of being compared to anything.
>
> Alas, I forgot what list I was on, and many (if not most) of the
> computers applicable to this list would blow Apple stuff out of the water
> in terms of reliability in hardware AND software.
>
- Hmmm, actually, compared to x86/Win stuff, Apple is generally
better, so your comment isn't that far off.
And Chris, couldn't you tell I' was breaking your stones? C'mon,
you've seen my basement... :)
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