> From: Chris
>
> >Apple Computer Co. always impressed me as being
> >entirely too willing to compromise the quality of MY hardware/software,
> and
> >the security of my data, in favor of their profits.
>
> WOAH?!? That's just a shot from the dark... Apple is known for how good
> their quality IS... sure they had a few flops, but most of their hardware
> is built well, and built to last. And security? Um... compared to what?
> Windows? BWAA HAA HAA HAA HAA!!!
>
> -chris
>
Really Chris? Then why was I very busy making good money doing
Apple/Mac support at Electric Boat up here? ;)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: tim lindner [mailto:tlindner@ix.netcom.com]
> PhontNet is also a cabling system.
It's worth mentioning that the difference between phonenet and
localtalk is all in the cable ends. There's really no difference
at all.
Chris
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com]
> One thing that I've wondered is how one gets an old MAC to talk on the
> Ethernet when it's a mixed environment with Netware and
> Windows NT servers. I
> know Netware has a provision for MAC namespace, but I've only seen one
> ethernet-capable MAC, which leaves me wondering how folks who
> use MACs install
> an ethernet interface.
If you can't get an ethernet board for the machine, you can get a Kayman
Gatorbox. It's an Appletalk <-> Ethernet router kind of setup. It will
also do protocol translation to an extent, and most Mac IP stacks will use
it. (I think. :)
Chris
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See below, plz.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Finnegan" <pat(a)purdueriots.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: APPLEVISION Monitor
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote:
>
> > The baseband frequency, BTW doesn't impact the CPU, at least not on the
> > systems I'm familiar with, since the NIC recognizes traffic for the local
> > address and only that has to be dealt with. That's done at the CPU's
> > pleasure.
>
> Yeah, but 1) there's no way you'd come close to saturating a 1Gbit pipe
> with your Performa and 2) it makes more sense to use a network switch that
> can deal with different speeds than a single backbone of 'excessive'
> speed. In fact, to use junky old Ethernet's CSMA/CD collision detection
> on a 'bus' version that fast would require a VERY short bus length,
> negating any advantages I could see for using such a fast networking
> topology.
>
First of all, it's not necessary that the MAC be capable of the highest
bandwidth. I was just curious what's out there. Secondly, for a 5-6 staton
LAN, including servers, it makes little sense to have lots of
switching/routing hardware and a complex topology. Right now, what's active
is one of two servers and a single station (this one). I get inquiries about
the 10Gb and faster hardware from time to time, and, having not even ventured,
in any sense, into the 1 Gb stuff, I'm just looking around.
>
> Still, I guess it would be a very interesting sight.
>
> > So, if I want to put standard ethernet on this Performa, how does that
work?
>
> 1) Insert NIC into LC PDS slot
> 2) Turn on mac, connect ethernet cable, and configure the 'AppleTalk'
> control panel to use Ethernet instead of the modem or printer port.
>
... and what's an LC PDS slot? What's a suitable NIC that's common enough I
might see one?
>
> > What do I have to beg, borrow, steal? If the NT server, as I'm told it
can,
> > talks AppleTalk, does it do that over ethernet?
>
> Yes. It's possible to get a Localtalk card (for connection over the slow
> 230Kbit apple networking), but they're few and far between (besides, I'm
> not sure what OS's they actually work with). However, AppleTalk will run
> 'out of the box' over ethernet on NT. My high school used a couple NT
> servers for all of their Mac systems, so it's definitely doable.
>
> OK, now I really need to try and get some work done.
>
> -- Pat
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris [mailto:mythtech@mac.com]
> >I'm still trying to figure out what to do with a MAC once
> it's running.
> replace your normal everyday use computer... and finally be
> able to relax?
Well, that got a laugh from me. Some of us who don't use Macs
every day can already relax. :)
Chris
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com]
> I'm still trying to figure out what to do with a MAC once
> it's running. I
> have a walkman, and several CD players, so I don't need it
> for that ...
Do you like programming in Pascal? :)
Chris
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com]
> What's Appletalk, ... I mean REALLY ... What's Appletalk?
Funny networking protocol, I think over top of RS-422 or the
like. Sometimes they tunnel it over ethernet too. The
serial port that the Macs have built in is generally called
the "localtalk" port, and also used for printers, which speak
some subset of this strange protocol, AFAIR.
Chris
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> From: Chris
>
> >I'm still trying to figure out what to do with a MAC once it's running.
>
> replace your normal everyday use computer... and finally be able to relax?
>
> -chris
>
*sigh* Chris, the evangelist...
Someone gimme a rock, to knock him off his soapbox...
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>I don't remember seeing any slots for "cards" of any sort when I had the box
>open.
It has a Comm Slot 1 and an LC PDS slot, both right on the slide out
motherboard. The Comm Slot looks a bit like a PCI slot, and the LC slot
looks more like that NuBus slot (long retange with rows of pin holes).
There is also a video in/out slot, that will look like a tiny card edge
connector slot.
>I just discarded a MAC (Nubus)
>ethernet card. I figured I'd come to regret it, though I'm not sure it would
>have made any difference.
Nope, couldn't have used that on the 630 anyway.
>the video card, which, I think, is a pretty typical MAC
>video board.
>From a IIx, if it was color, probably the 8*24GC, fairly standard card
for the day.
>It's a serious security problem to use TCP/IP on a lan if one has an internet
>connection. My LAN uses Netbeui and IPX/SPX. There's got to be a way ...
If you are doing file/print sharing, I would use AppleTalk if possible.
The key is can any of the servers you are running speak appletalk. (NT4,
Win2k, Netware...). AppleTalk isn't the most secure protocol as far as
packet sniffing is concerned... but very few internet routers will route
it, so it is a fairly safe bet that the traffic will not go beyond your
lan (as your internet router box will most likely ignore the packets and
not pass them along).
Appletalk has the added advantage of just working. It finds its own node
address, and sniffs out the network by itself. Pretty much turn it on,
and it works. It doesn't get much easier than AppleTalk.
Downside is, it tends to be a bit chatty, and it isn't real fast (usually
about 4Mb/s on a 10Mb network is the best you will get. AppleTalk of
TCP/IP is much faster, but then you run the same risks you do for any
TCP/IP traffic)
>Is there a "slick" way to exploit hardware that's already in the Performa
>630CD?
Eh... not really. There are software things you can run to route
Localtalk (built in to all macs since the 512kE IIRC, definitly since the
Plus) to Ethernet... but somewhere you will still need the hardware
connection to go to Ethernet.
But you should be able to lay your hands on an LC Ethernet card for the
630 with ease, and fairly cheap. Worst case, if you don't find one local,
let me know, I can probably turn up a spare and let you have it for a
song (read: probably free + shipping depending on how fast you need it,
my time schedule, and how many I have kicking around)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
> > > > (For those not in the know, the Commodore Indus GT drive has a
> > > > drive 1 [LOAD"$1",8] with DOS Wedge, a fast loader and some other
> > > > utilities permanently in drive ROM that can
> > > > just be loaded out of the drive instantaneously.)
>
> That's interesting. I did not know that. Are there any details
> published anywhere about how they did it? How large is the "ROM
> Disk"? Does it work by having an emulated filesystem, or does
> it "cheat"? I wonder how hard it would be to slap some ROM on the
> side of a 1541 and add "unit 1 support" (and I wonder if that would
> fix or aggravate the save-and-replace bug).
I strongly think it cheats. It does have what looks like a real filesystem,
but I doubt the illusion goes further than skin-deep :-)
It is one of the GT's most interesting features, but since it works just
fine with Epyx FastLoad, I don't use it often. More to the point, the GT's
in-ROM fast loader doesn't work with any other drive but a GT, and most
utility cartridges have some kind of DOS wedge, so the files aren't called
for much now. Still a neat idea.
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