> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:49:00 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Googling and "egg-sucking" (was Re: "Toy" computers...)
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204281433220.29291-100000(a)george.home.org>
>
> --- Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, Peter C. Wallace wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, Doc wrote:
> >
> > > > Dude.
> > > > Fire up your favorite Open Source browser. Go to
> > > > http://www.google.com
> > > > Do a search for this (quotation marks included):
> > > >
> > > > "Teach Grandpa to suck eggs"
> > >
> > > BTW Google doesn't find the quoted string...
>
> I got one hit with this...
> "teaching grandpa to suck eggs"
>
> And a bunch more by using the exact phraseology I heard growing up...
>
> "teach your grandma to suck eggs"
>
> With Google, spelling (and precise word selection) counts.
>
> > Argh.
> > Once again, what I thought was a universal expression turns out to be
> > a Texasism.
>
> I would count it as an American Colloquialism, but I don't think of the
> phrase as uniquely Texan.
Hey, guys. Simplify. A Google search on the phrase "suck eggs" leads
to a clear explanation of the historical use of the phrase, dating
back to the 16th century in English, and older in other languages.
< http://www.quinion.com/words/qa/qa-tea1.htm >
carl
There is someone searching for infos about IMS - hardware.
Can you help ?
Answer only to:
arlen.michaels(a)sympatico.ca
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Just want to thank you for making the old manuals and image files
available on http://oldcomputers.dyndns.org/public/
I found things here (like the IMS information) I have been hunting for
years. I am still looking for documents etc for some other IMS S-100
boards dating from around 1980-84:
- A862 Z80 CPU
- A930 Floppy Controller
- A821 Winchester Controller
- A1100 Winchester Controller
- A1021 64K RAM
You don't by any chance have files for these, do you? :)
Best wishes,
Arlen Michaels
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Greetinggs from
Fritz Chwolka
< collecting old computers yust for fun >
> at www.alterechner.de <
I finally hooked up with an old college buddy of mine who works at
OCLC. We had previously arranged to meet today before I filled up
my car with wads o' DEC stuff. Fortunately there was still room
for the three complete Tektronix 4105 terminals. He caught them
on the way to the dumpster a few years ago, but hasn't done much
with them. They all powered up and worked 4 months ago.
Is anyone interested in one? I do not need three. Make offers
off-list, please, to ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com (if you reply to
this message it will take longer for me to see your message).
Offers exceeding S&H will receive first consideration. Given
their size, I'd prefer pickup or even delivery at Dayton (if you
are going). Packing will be a hassle.
If you act now, you can have a Tek 4695 color printer... I got it at
Dayton because there were Amiga drivers for it. Turns out I wanted a
4696. The 4695 is a messy beast that set back inkjet evolution several
eons. I only mention it because it is specifically mentioned in the
docs as supported as the standard color "Copier" device.
I have offered the printer to the list once. I got no responses. This
time, I will tear it down for interesting tidbits and junk the rest.
It is too cantankerous and the ink is essentially not available, so
as a printer, it's worthless. Its only value is as a decorative
accessory to the terminal in a historical exhibit to show how it would
have been used in period.
Anybody have any interesting data files/software to throw at a Tek
terminal to do cool stuff?
-ethan
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> I would have thought it was an Alpha
> box, but unless the sun was in my eyes, it says "VAX 4000" on one
> name plate on one end, and "Model 710" on a name plate on the other
> end.
I think the sun was in your eyes (or someone has
been playing with labels). It might be a VAX 4000-700A
or a VAX 4000-705A or it might indeed be an Alpha:
a DEC 4000-710 (this was the Fang, a follow on to
the DEC 4000-610, the Cobra). You can add a
second CPU to obtain a 4000-720 (similarly you can
get a 4000-620).
> It's still in the back of my station wagon, so I haven't even
> fired it up. From the stickers on the devices, it's running UNIX
> (/dev/whatever on all the disks and tape drives).
It's almost certainly a DEC 4000-710 (which is
probably a win: they are rarer than VAX 4000-70x
machines IMHO). I don't think Ultrix ever ran
on the VAX 4000 machines.
> I bought it without powering it on because a) I wanted the TSZ07 and
> it was cheaper than the shipping alone, and b) they don't have
> a 20A plug at the surplus barn (the one with the blades like (- |)
> not the usual (| |) for a 15A plug).
Sounds to me like you won big time here :-)
Antonio
There is someone searching for infos about IMS - hardware.
Can you help ?
Answer only to:
arlen.michaels(a)sympatico.ca
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>Return-Path: <arlen.michaels(a)sympatico.ca>
Just want to thank you for making the old manuals and image files
available on http://oldcomputers.dyndns.org/public/
I found things here (like the IMS information) I have been hunting for
years. I am still looking for documents etc for some other IMS S-100
boards dating from around 1980-84:
- A862 Z80 CPU
- A930 Floppy Controller
- A821 Winchester Controller
- A1100 Winchester Controller
- A1021 64K RAM
You don't by any chance have files for these, do you? :)
Best wishes,
Arlen Michaels
arlen.michaels(a)sympatico.ca
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Greetings from
Fritz Chwolka - Duisburg
/ collecting old computers just for fun at www.alterechner.de \
Eric,
Thank you. pkxarc did the job!
>> I picked up a bunch of CPM archives from CPMUG. The files end with the
>> ARK file extension. I've tried the unark16.exe I picked up from the
>> oak.oakland.edu site but I can't seem to get them to unpack.
>
>ARK should be the same as ARC. You could probably use pkxarc if you can
>still find it. I think pkunpack will work as well. Does anyone know if
>WINZIP handles "ARC" type archives?
>
>> What MS-DOS command works on these archives or do I need to fetch a CP/M
>> version and run under a CP/M emulator?
>
>Eric
Oaxton wrote:
>I liked MPM. I am still sitting on a MPM box that supports 4 terminals and
>hope to get it running again some time. Hmm. that reminds me, I am going to
>need a new (used) 10 meg HD for it. It is nice to see the SW for it on the
>Internet.
On what kind of hardware is this MPM (86?) running? Newbies that want to
experiment with MPM, would most likely want an implementation of MPM for
the IBM PC hardware - but is that available somewhere? The downloads that
were mentioned a week ago (mpm8621i.zip etc.) are for some compupro hardware.
Freek.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Antonio Carlini [mailto:Antonio.Carlini@riverstonenet.com]
> > a 20A plug at the surplus barn (the one with the blades like (- |)
> > not the usual (| |) for a 15A plug).
> Sounds to me like you won big time here :-)
Sounds to me like a 16A plug. ;)
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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> OpenVMS? Maybe eventually. When I started really getting into
> computer work, it was as an operator, on an OpenVMS system... But since I
> do have the CDs and docs here for D/UX, I'll give it a whirl, and see if it
> fits my needs.
> Does it allow only one user at a time, without the OSF-BASE PAK?
> This afternoon I'll be firing up my 3000/400 to see what's
> installed, before I try throwing D/UX on it...
Without the PAK you'll be pretty restricted on what you can do, and can
probably only log in on the console. I suspect you can't even bring up
X-Windows.
OpenVMS has the advantage of being cheaper to run for a Hobbyist, but the
Hobbyist PAKs have to be renewed every year (for free). Tru64 costs about
$100 for the hobbyist, but that includes a set of CD's and permanent PAK's.
Personally I prefer OpenVMS on my Alpha's as I can run UNIX faster on x86.
Zane
> The big win, though, was a fully loaded (SCSI drives, 4 x MS440
> and TSZ07) VAX 4000-710. I would have thought it was an Alpha
> box, but unless the sun was in my eyes, it says "VAX 4000" on one
> name plate on one end, and "Model 710" on a name plate on the other
Lucky Bum!!!! That's one of the most powerful VAXen around! OpenVMS/VAX
should rock on that sucker! It's interesting that there is a VAX 4000-710
and a DEC 4000-710 with the DEC being an Alpha.
Zane
