test-drb April 2002

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Open source -- non computer topics (Debian)

by nemesis-lists＠icequake.net

Doug: > Never had a problem with Debian, other than its name... > Is it an acronym for something? It's rather lame, but: "Since many people have asked, Debian is pronounced 'deb ee n'. It comes from the names of the creator of Debian, Ian Murdock, and his wife, Debra." <shrug> :) However, you can get Linux-based Debian distributions such as "Corel", "Storm", "Progeny", and such. The Debian package system and architecture is not tied explicitly to the official Debian project (and debatable policies) alone. Chris: > the Debian people have better things to do with their time than debate, > argue about, and perhaps eventually fix it. This is possible, but if you offered a reasonable and serious rebuttal to their policy (or portions thereof), I would doubt that anybody would think twice before taking it into consideration. In other words, if you have something to say, it would help to tell it to the people who can do something about it! :) -- Ryan Underwood, <nemesis at icequake.net>, icq=10317253

22 years, 8 months

AEHD 3.5" External disk drive for Apple

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

This has been spoken for.. -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash > ---------- > From: David Woyciesjes > > This reminds me... I have here an Applied Engineering AEHD 3.5" > External disk drive for Apple Computers. But the machine it's from is long > gone. > Who wants it? Say, $20 for me to pack it and ship it out. > > -- > --- David A Woyciesjes

22 years, 8 months

"Toy" computers (was Re: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com] > They are toys, since they didn't have a disk interface in > them. They, in > fact, if your description is correct, needed a toy interface > to talk to > another toy interface that talked to what was probably a > smarter computer that > had a disk interface in it. That pretty much describes commodore disk drives, yep. The point, though, is that they plug directly into an interface that's already on the machine, so we would get into the sticky discussion of how "directly" a drive must be handled. Require too much of the logic to be in the computer, and suddenly an external IDE disk wouldn't count. As an aside, I've heard of interesting things being done with the disk drive "computers," though I can't think of any off hand. They spoke a pretty simple serial protocol, too, such that you can basically plug them into other systems (Intel Linux machines, at least) and build simple applications to talk to them, and they handled all of the complexities of disk I/O, so that the CPU didn't need to -- so there are good points to them. That being said, if I understand your other post properly, once the drive is there, you would possibly not consider it a toy any more, whether the drive is external or not, and regardless of how it's driven. Or am I way off? Would you also have considered 9-track tape "mass storage" for the time? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

22 years, 8 months

open "dumpster" event in New Haven, CT

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

We're cleaning here, and got some stuff being tossed. Free, Come pick it up... 12 old modems - Gandalf LDS125 (?) about 12 (?) dozen tape reels. 12" diameter. They're in 4 15" monitor boxes... 2 HP LaserJet IID, with duplex 1 HP LaserJet IIID, w/ duplex some long comms(?) cables old Epson line printers old DeskJet printers CSU/DSU more to come... I can hold some of the smaller things, but there is limited space in my garage. E-mail me directly... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

22 years, 8 months

R.I.P. for D.I.Y.

by uban＠ubanproductions.com

Peter, I've had this concern myself and have even made processor choices based on my fear of the hand prototyping of BGA parts. Would you please give us a synopsis of your experience and tips hand assembling BGA parts, including tools, temperatures, etc. ? --tnx --tom At 12:46 PM 4/25/02 -0700, you wrote: >On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Jos Dreesen wrote: > >> Allison wrote: >> > >> >almost impossible for the home builder ... and only the odd few (Tony? :-) >> > >> > Impossible? How? >> > >> Open any GSM phone and look at the components.... >> There is NO WAY a hobbyist (not even Tony ( sorry chap !)) will be able to >> handle 200-300 pin BGA packages, with 0.8 or even 0.5mm pitch. > >Nonsense! I do 388 pin BGAs for protos all the time with nothing but a hot air >gun... > >BGAs are easier than fine pitch QFP to solder (though difficult to salvage if >done wrong...) > >Peter Wallace > > > >

22 years, 8 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 22, Richard Erlacher wrote: > Most of the people I've met who use UNIX/LINUX in their home-computing > pursuits do it because they've nothing better to do. You may not fit that > model, but these guys figure out ways to make their computers more secure, > more complicated to use, and often have to type for several minutes to find > out whether a copy of a file on their local hard drive is available on that > other box down the wire. When my machines are all turned on, I can do that in > less than 15 seconds, and that long only because I can't remember the file > name. This is the one of your trolls that I think I'll ignore. > I just want (1) for my computers to act in concert to present me with a > convenient interface and (2) for them to work as expected. They seem to do > that most of the time. In recent years my cars have been more reliable than > my computers, but that wasn't the case some years back when I used Detroit > iron. When my computers become as reliable as my telephone, which may happen > not because the computers get better but ... then I'll be happy enough, I I suppose I'm more demanding than to accept my computers working as expected "most of the time". My computers are much MORE reliable than my telephone. But then, I don't use PeeCees, and I don't run Windows. I suppose it's just an issue of personal/professional standards and expectations. If I had a hammer that randomly jumped off of my workbench and flew through a window, I'd throw it in the trash and get a better hammer. I did exactly that with my computer a very long time ago. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

22 years, 8 months

Unix versions

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 24, 21:05, Bill Pechter wrote: > Isn't it a bit much to call XXDP+ an OS. > DECX-11 is closer... XXDP's pretty dumb. I've always thought of XXDP as the OS that DECX-11 runs under. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 8 months

R.I.P. for D.I.Y.

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> From: Andy Holt <andyh(a)andyh-rayleigh.freeserve.co.uk> > > Nowadays You typically have to deal with distributors - little > > problem for the experienced, but an obstacle to newcomers > > what about JDR, JAMECO, BG and a long list of suppliers that take > small orders and credit cards? Great for processors, logic gates, linear chips, etc... DigiKey I do lots of business with (well, in the past). But try finding: cross-bar switch telco line interface bond-out version of a processor caller-id decoder and any other number of specialized chips... -dq

22 years, 8 months

.I.P. for D.I.Y.

by Gary.Messick＠itt.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dwight K. Elvey [mailto:dwightk.elvey@amd.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 12:39 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: .I.P. for D.I.Y. > > > I get a kick out of the fact that he made the electrodes > in the shape of the old atom symbol they used to use in > the advertisements. Does anyone remember the name of the > little cartoon character that the GE advertisements had > for the atom? > Dwight > > Reddy Kilowatt! ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. ************************************

22 years, 8 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by alan.pearson＠cramer.com

> From: Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> > : > You're calling the entire DECstation 5000/2xx line "products intended > for the toy market as opposed to one intended to be seen as a computer", > since they have no internal mass storage. I guess he thinks Sun 3/50's are toys too. Sigh. Al.

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