test-drb January 2002

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by charlesleecourtney＠yahoo.com

Hi all, The thread on cleaning cards by running them through the dishwasher was timely as I am resurrecting an HP3000/XE. The system came from Pacific Pipe in Oakland and is the *filthest* system I have ever seen. The "computer room" on the second floor was left open to the work yard and all matter of dirt, dust, grime etc was sucked into the CPU, disc drive and tape. The CPU boards literally had a layer of grime covering them. Of course since this was an HP box it booted right up even though it was basically "clogged". Many of the HP cards have paper stickers indicating part number, revision, etc. Any thoughts on preserving these through a dishwasher cycle? Or should I just gently hand rinse? THanks! Lee Courtney __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com

22 years, 4 months

OS/2 1.3 EE

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 1/2/2002 8:07:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, jhellige(a)earthlink.net writes: << EE stands for Extended Edition, vice the other version which was Standard Edition, if memory serves correctly. I also believe that it was shortly after the release of 1.2 or 1.3 that MS and IBM went their seperate ways on it, IBM continuing to develope it as OS/2 while MS renamed the shared source code 'Windows NT'. Though the original specs for OS/2 called for at least an 80286, I've never tried running any versions prior to 2.1 (which calls for at least an 80386SX). >> OS/2 v 1.3 runs decent on a PS/2 model 60 286-10 with 3 meg. Too had it doesnt have the WPS though. -- Antique Computer Virtual Museum www.nothingtodo.org

22 years, 4 months

Ultrix 4.4 and VaxStation 3100

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! From: Jochen Kunz [mailto:jkunz@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de] ! ! ! > (assuming X11 worked on ! > the Vaxstation 3100 under Ultrix -- I assume it would.) ! AFAIK the SPX graphics was not supported, only the mono and GPX ! framebuffers. So there is some chance of NetBSD/Xwindows running on my b&w 3100m38? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

22 years, 4 months

OS/2 1.3 EE

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Does anybody have a copy of this? I have MS OS/2 1.3, and I have > TCP/IP for OS/2 1.3 EE, but they don't work together. I'd love to have > EE so I can put TCP/IP on it and install the lot on a 286. Maybe I can > dig up a web server for it. :) > > Thanks! > > --James B. Microsoft OS/2 1.3?!?! It was my understanding at the time that Microsoft had nothing to do with V1.3. For that matter, what does the 'EE' stand for? Zane

22 years, 4 months

Nomenclature (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>You are still missing the point.... No, I'm really not... see below >My complant, yet again, is using the term 'Centronics port' for a SCSI >interface using a 50 pin Blue Ribbon connector. Because that interface >has little in common with the parallel printer interface mentioned above. >And when this SCSI port is on a printer it is very misleading to call it >a Centronics interface. Sorry, Tony, I was never trying to argue this point. I was only trying to point out the irony of using a misnomer to fight a misnomer.... regardless of the validity of either one... I had just found the idea funny. I personally don't disagree with trying to correct names... nor do I disagree with calling things by their "common" name, nor do I disagree with calling things by their WRONG names. As long as the item in question can be successfully communicated... which can sometimes, such as with the miscalling a SCSI-1 "Blue Ribbon" connector, a Centronics port, cause confusion. I understood what was meant, but others, more technically savvy than I may have been confused (in part because to me, a connector similar to that found on a printer, but that contains 50 pins is used for one of two things, SCSI-1, or 25 pair phone cable, and since this was a printer, I ruled out phone cable). To people like yourself, who have more knowledge than I can ever hope to, probably know of dozens more uses, and thus find it a problem to call it the wrong thing. >But this list is made up (at least in part) of technical people for whom >it _does_ matter whether an interface is a parallel printer port or a >SCSI interface. It may not matter to the average user (provided both >machine and printer have the same interface and mating connectors), but >it certainly matters to people here who want to use the printer with >other machines, who want to repair or modify it, and so on. Agreed (see above). For those that this kind of thing can mean something totally different than what was intended, it matters a great deal (like my tape vs film situation... if I had ever told a crew, "lets go down to the courthouse and shoot some film... get a crew together", I would have been in for a rude surprise when they showed up with a 32mm camera and DAT deck... when what I wanted was 2 guys and a BetaCam outfit). But like I said, my intent was never to argue this point at all... it was simply to point out the humor in the one responder's comments regarding a Crescent wrench, when discussing calling things by their correct name. See, I took it along the lines of them saying "Don't call it a Centronics Port, because if you do again, I am going to smack you with my Craftsman Brand Crescent Wrench". Now granted, that isn't what they said, but maybe now some of the irony I originally saw will come thru. They are saying don't call something by the wrong name, because if you do I will hit you with something that I am calling by the wrong name. I found it funny... I guess I am more easily amused than some others on the list (and yes, I am fascinated by shiny objects) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 4 months

Nomenclature (was: Crescent wrenches

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Old Boss of mine called the larger triangular headed > snippers (sim.: Xelite wire cutter) "Dykes". Any word > on this... word. Is this a correct term? Yes, it's a contraction of "DIagonal Cutters". -dq

22 years, 4 months

OT: Older inventory programs for home computers

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 1/2/2002 5:19:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, lgwalker(a)mts.net writes: << Well I have to go with what I have excess in my collection. Since I don't have any MCA SCSI cards much less SCSI drives I can spare I'll go with the ESDE's that came with it. His shop is a large shed he built himself 10 yrs ago, with a little nook he uses for his records and paper work. It might be advisable tho to reverse the fan and rig up a filter of some sort as you point out. This is strictly a gift so I don't want to install stuff which I would pay for out of my limited resources, and I doubt he would have monies available for what might be considered not a priority as compared to a new set of wrenches. Thanks >> If i dont have to pay shipping, I can contribute a SCSI card and maybe drive or two. problem is, you'll need the bracket for mounting 3.5 hard drives in the mod 80. -- Antique Computer Virtual Museum www.nothingtodo.org

22 years, 4 months

Engieers (was: Connectors (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by CLeyson＠aol.com

In replay to my moan about engineers not being able to build Christmas tree lights, Tony Duell writes: > Do you own a suitably large LART? I've given up with the LART, it just doesn't work - re-education is a better approach - but then it doesn't work on the brain dead. > I must have told the story of the 362.8 ohm resistor. In case I haven't, > it goes like this...... I used to own an 8in Shugart drive a long time ago. For some strange reason that I couldn't understand it was stuffed with E96 resisors. Perhaps they were cheaper than E24 ? > I've come to the conclusion that the best (electronic?) engineers and > programmers are all essentially self-taught. It's probably much the same > in all creative subjects. I'd agree > ......You may argue that much of engineering these days is not about making > things, and that engineers rarely need these skills (that is a separate rant)... I'd argue that engineering is all about making things. OK, perhaps engineers don't need practical skills so much these days, but an understanding of other engineering disiplines is essential. You have to be able to understand the "other guy's" point of view, whether it be hardware, software, manufacturing or management. Lawrence Walker wrote: > Well from what I've heard about the "father of electricity" and Henry Ford for > that matter, he would hire a bunch of "promising" engineers like Tesla, > take what they've already discovered, claim them as products of his own > and become a wold-famous inventor. And of course, like Marconi, become the > "inventor of Radio" which we are now celebrating, despite the fact that Tesla > won a court decision in US courts to his primacy with it. History is written by > the Victors. I hope you meant Faraday as the "father of electricity" and not Edison. As for Marconi, I'd say he "pioneered" radio engineering but wouldn't have got very far if it hadn't been for Hertz. I'm not sure how Tesla fits into the picture, he did invent the squirel cage induction motor but I'm not aware of any major contributions he made to radio engineering. Chris

22 years, 4 months

Connectors (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 31, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: > The only place that I have EVER met any people who claimed to be > "engineers" who might "have never heard of Amphenol" would be some > university folk who have never set foot into the real world. Ahh, those "engineers" who don't know which end of a soldering iron gets hot. A fond memory from around 1991, while working for a small defense contractor in NJ, talking with a 2nd-year "summer slave" on loan from MIT (of all places!). I'd assigned him to write some data reduction code in FORTRAN for a remote sensing project, and later wound up having to do it myself: Me: "This program needs a lot of work." Weenie: "Hah! Where did *YOU* go to school? See here:" [weenie scribbles some incomprehensible equation on the whiteboard] Me: "I didn't. But I damn well know a REAL*4 on this VAX won't deal with the IEEE-format floating point numbers from the spectrometer without format conversion, for starters. Weenie: "WHAT?! [horrified look] You actually want to RUN this program?" Me: "Of course. Why the hell do you think I asked you to write it?" Weenie: "Isn't this just an exercise?" Me: "We are a defense contractor. We build machines to kill people. Look at the size of my gut...we NEVER exercise around here." Weenie: "Does this mean I have to type this program in, like on a computer?" Me: "No. You're fired." -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

22 years, 4 months

Try it!!!! (Was - Re: One More PCB Dishwasher Question)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Be sure of the result before you suggest. I used to also handle automotive product so I have a better than average knowledge of the ourcome. Allison From: William Donzelli <aw288(a)osfn.org> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Saturday, December 29, 2001 5:24 PM Subject: Re: Try it!!!! (Was - Re: One More PCB Dishwasher Question) >> But is not that change the same as going from COLD to HOT when you apply >> power to the chip under normal operation of the computer? > >For the big stuff, sure. Not for the small stuff (glue, I/O, memory, and >other stuff that does not suck much power). > >Here is a test. Boil some water in a big pot, as if you were to make >pasta. Turn the gas off, let it cool just a few seconds, then dump all your >favorite chips in. I am sure one will not comeout alive (or maybe crippled). > >William Donzelli >aw288(a)osfn.org

22 years, 4 months

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test-drb January 2002