test-drb January 2002

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by CLeyson＠aol.com

On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 tothwolf(a)concentric.net wrote: >I've never seen a lithium battery leak from old age. I have some sitting >around that were made in the mid '80s. I'll make a note to avoid this >particular brand if I can help it. Does the motor still turn? It may just >need to be cleaned up. It think the battery must have gassed as well. There is evidence of bad corrosion to zinc plated parts two to three inches from the battery. Aluminium and copper parts seem to be OK. The head stepper motor still works but is badly corroded on the outside. I will have to remove it to clean it properly and then re-align with a known good floppy. >> Before I get around to cleaning the boards I will need to figure out how to >> disconnect the display. The connecting cables are hardwired to the main >> board :-( >Are they soldered? Do they use flat plastic or standard ribbon cable? Standard twisted pair ribbon cable terminated with a 26 way 0.1in pitch IDC transition connector which is soldered to the board. I will probably cut the cable and remove the connector (one pin at a time) and replace with a standard IDC plug and socket. I can't understand why they didn't do this in the first place, there is enough room to fit both a plug and socket. Also, the display power cable has no connector fitted. BTW, I worked with a guy who accidentally recharged an AA sized Lithium battery. It left shrapnel in the wall and he is still slighty deaf in one ear. Chris It lef

22 years, 11 months

Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainful employment

by Golemancd＠aol.com

sometimes i forget that computer folks r technical people. i come from the arts where the only thing that is needed is understanding. i am on stage sometimes and all the musicians do is just nod or look at each other and everyone understands them. will try and and be more precise. i guess here that is needed. joee

22 years, 11 months

Toshiba T3200SX Question

by CLeyson＠aol.com

On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 tothwolf(a)concentric.net wrote: >> Thanks for the advice. Found the battery, or rather what's left of it. >> Whatever it is that leaks or gasses out of Lithium batteries has eaten >> into most of the steelwork. I will have to replace the floppy drive >> and clean up metalwork. :-( >Are you sure it's a Lithium battery? I think most of these used NiCads, >and recharged them when they were powered. It's definitely Lithium (Eternacell B9632T 3.6V). I think the machine must have been on it's side when the battery leaked. There is a lot a corrosion damage to the FDD mounting hardware and the FDD head stepper motor. Anything zinc plated seems to have been badly corroded. The main board appears to be OK. Two crystal cans are badly corroded (zinc plated) and some of the solder joints in the area are a little "dull". Everything functions normally apart from the erratic FDD. FDD and HDD have non standard 26-way and 40-way connectors respectively. I've found a source for replacement FDD, ecdmagnetics.co.uk. >A number of the boards I repaired after the Houston floods had damage from >the Lithium coin cells around the holders. It was an dark orange-red color >and didn't seem to be highly alkaline or acidic. A thorough cleaning with >baking soda and a plastic brush seemed to get rid of this stuff. Before I get around to cleaning the boards I will need to figure out how to disconnect the display. The connecting cables are hardwired to the main board :-( Thanks for the advice Chris Leyson

22 years, 11 months

Strange and Possibly Wonderful Cable

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>The 2 things I can't really identify are a Panasonic Easa-Phone, >KX-T1225 which seems to be a speed-dialer of some sort. Grey box with 4 columns of buttons (something like 10 or 15 rows), and two RJ jacks at the top (RJ45 and RJ11?). If that is what you have, then it sounds like these old PBX speed dialers I had (probably not, but just in case, here goes)... IIRC mine said Panasonic Easa-Phone on them too. The ones I had, I think could only be plugged into the old Bell PBX they were used with. They didn't work on POTS lines. They had a 50 pin "Blue Ribbon" (WOOHOO... now that I know the name, I can use it correctly) to 5 RJ12 adaptor that was plugged into the 25 pair telco cable. It used an RJ12 to RJ45 adaptor cable to plug into the Telco adaptor. And then the RJ11 jack on the dialer was used to hook up to a speaker/mic box (a la Charlie's Angels desktop speaker phone box) I might still have one kicking around, but I don't think I have any manuals (don't recall ever having manuals). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 11 months

Lazer 128 Apple IIe Clone

by mythtech＠Mac.com

I know there are some Apple ][ clone people on this list, so I thought I would forward this on. I would love the Lazer 128, but can't afford to ship it, and Michigan is too far for me to drive to pick it up... maybe one you would want it: >Subject: [swap] Anyone insterested in Apple IIgs or Lazer 128. >Date: 1/4/02 7:57 PM >Received: 1/4/02 9:42 PM >From: Scott Simons, mrvchung(a)iserv.net >To: LEM Swap List, lem-swap(a)mail.maclaunch.com > >Just like the subject says. Anyone insterested in Apple IIgs or Lazer >128. I'm not all I have because they are in storage, but I will try to >get to them this weekend. I will then have a list of hardware that would >come with them. Local to 49418 or 49345 would be great. > >Scott >GR, MI Reply to him, not me, I don't know anything more than the above listing. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 11 months

Way OT: Frost Heaves (was RE: Crescent wrenches (was: Nomenclatur e (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by mhstein＠usa.net

Oooooohhh.. Groan... GOOD ONE; LOL! Makes all the OT crap worth while. -------------Original Message------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:31:54 -0700 From: "Feldman, Robert" <Robert_Feldman(a)jdedwards.com> Since ee cummings had been disparaged here, one could interpret the term as critical of a certain New England poet ;)

22 years, 11 months

Language and English

by vze2mnvr＠verizon.net

Dick, > Note that this item is NOT published on the mailing list, > since few people will be interested in its content. Note that this item IS published on the mailing list, because quite frankly, Charlotte, I don't give a damn. > see below, plz. Does this portray a laziness on your part that makes the reader have to hunt through a long message to see what you have to say? I had noticed this many times in the past, but previously refrained from mentioning it. I felt that, up to now, I would tolerate your style. > If your message is not germane to that topic, if it contains > no relevant information, or if it reflects no thought, it > should not be there. Can I also hold you to this, or do you succumb to a double standard? I recall so many messages from you, so many of which were off topic, that I thought only someone who had nothing better to do with their time, could have so much time to devote to a "mailing list". Is that better? > If you had attended all your classes, performed all the assigned > reading and writing, and taken the feedback from your teachers > seriously, you'd be able to express yourself precisely and > accurately using the tools the system provided. The fact that you > don't shows that you didn't. I attended enough classes to graduate in the top 1% out of a graduating class of over 700, taking the hardest level of classes available in the advanced placement program, all the while working nearly full time while I was in school. You obviously have me confused with someone else. > If I were you, I'd not start on blaming the educational system > for your own inability to communicate in the prevailing language > in our culture. > Those are things clearly absent from your "stream-of-consciousness" writing style, ... I'd sit down with you anytime and compare literary abilities and writing styles. I might not be world class, but you'll never out perform me when I'm on a project that, to me, is of greater importance than a "mailing list" message. > Did you ever study FORTRAN FORTRAN IV at Old Dominion University when I was 16, back in 1973. I was released from some of my Chemistry classes to simultaneously take that programming class. > not to mention oddly composed, incomprehensibly formatted, and > poorly spelled items, written in poor grammar and with incom- > prehensibly incorrect syntax. Again, you obviously must have me confused with Joee who posted the message that began this thread. > It's not a place for idle chatter, nor is it a place to prattle > on about senseless things, though that happens from time to time. Yes, you do this quite often. > English is a Germanic language, That was my mistake. I have now learned something new, or a misconception of mine has now been corrected. I thank you, it will not be forgotten. http://softrat.home.mindspring.com/germanic.html Now I will have to ponder why there are so many similarities between French and Italian words and their English counterparts, while to me the German language seems so much different. Ian Richard Erlacher wrote: > > Note that this item is NOT published on the mailing list, since few people > will be interested in its content. That is how personalized replies > normally are handled in this environment. > > see below, plz. > > Dick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Koller" <vze2mnvr(a)verizon.net> > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>; "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 10:06 AM > Subject: Re: Language and English > > > > Hello Dick, > > > > I get the impression, which may not be correct, that you > > may be retired, because of the greater amount of time that > > you are able to devote to reading and responding to newsgroup > > messages. > > > Contrary to what you apparently believe, this is not a newsgroup. This is a > mailing list, and one that's privately maintained, funded, and hosted. I'd > suggest you find out what a newsgroup is and then proceed. I'd also > suggest you consider why this list exists. It's a medium for communicating > information and thoughts germane to a specific topic. If your message is > not germane to that topic, if it contains no relevant information, or if it > reflects no thought, it should not be there. > > > > If this is so, that would mean you encountered an educational > > system at a previous date in time that may have been more formal > > than that which I encountered. > > > Nope ... I have two kids in expensive, out-of-state colleges thouseands of > miles away, and that doesn't allow me to sit on my duff and read nonsense, > not to mention oddly composed, incomprehensibly formatted, and poorly > spelled items, written in poor grammar and with incomprehensibly incorrect > syntax. > > If I were you, I'd not start on blaming the educational system for your own > inability to communicate in the prevailing language in our culture. If you > had attended all your classes, performed all the assigned reading and > writing, and taken the feedback from your teachers seriously, you'd be able > to express yourself precisely and accurately using the tools the system > provided. The fact that you don't shows that you didn't. > > I was actively engaged in assisting as well as monitoring the education of > my children as they went through the public education system. From that > experience I learned that one can still get the level of education necessary > to express onesself appropriately and accurately in terms of the common > mathematics and science and with reference to the same historical and > literary background that has traditionally been taught. It is a different > process than it was when I went through it, which I did in grades 6 through > 12, and onward, probably all well before you were born. > > > > Question. Did you ever study Latin? Was Latin offered in your > > school system? It was not offered in mine, but since I recently > > have been in contact with people in France, Italy, Germany, and > > Spain, I believe having studied the root language of all the > > "romance" languages would have proven helpful now. I'll bet that > > when Latin no longer became a requirement in many educational > > programs, there was more than one that must have felt that > > that was a sign of deteriorating standards. > > > No, I didn't study Latin, since people don't use it any longer. I was > studying English, which, as everyone knows, is NOT a romance language. > > Did you ever study FORTRAN (before FTN77) or COBOL? At least those are > still used ... occasionally. > > Latin was taught in order to teach the concept of structure and rigor. > Those are things clearly absent from your "stream-of-consciousness" writing > style, which suggests that, if you did study Latin, you didn't attend all > the classes or perform all the assigned work. > > English is a Germanic language, like, German, which also is not a romance > language, and is my "second" language, German having been the first. That > may explain why my adherence to precise grammar, syntax, and orthography > leans somewhat to the pedantic. > > I'd suggest that you take the extra moment or two to think about what you > need to say in the ClassicCmp mailing list environment BEFORE you say it, in > which case you won't have to defend it afterwards, which really isn't > necessary anyway. I'd also suggest you take time to consider the effect of > what you do to format, punctuate, and capitalize your writing on other > people's ability to read what you transmit. The mailing list isn't a "Chat" > room. It's not a place for idle chatter, nor is it a place to prattle on > about senseless things, though that happens from time to time. > > Oddly formatted messages become nearly unreadable on displays formatted > differently from yours, and there's little you can do about it, since you've > no control over the display system some folks use. Many of the users of > "the list" are in other countries, which means they're using a language with > which they're not familiar. > > The use of colloqialisms, particularly the use of esoteric abbreviations, > can render your messages unintelligible. The reason most of us use > "standard" English is that (1) because it's familiar to us, we can quickly > and easily read it, extracting the content with reasonable reliability, and > (2) because people not so familiar with popular idioms will not have to > spend time deciphering them. It's difficult enough sifting through the > computerese jargon. > > > I take time form my busy day to tell you all this because you may have > something of value to contribute. Learning, first and foremost, requires > exposure to information that one doesn't already have. If there's little of > that, and if your messages are difficult to read, your messages will > ultimately end up in the "kill file" rather than on the list of things > people read. That will, of course be transparent to you, since the listbot > will still distribute the things you transmit. It will just become a waste > of bandwidth, however. > > > > Richard Erlacher wrote: > > > > > > Gee ... judging from the net unwillingness to use normal "adult" > > > punctuation, captitalization, etc, it does look as though you're doing > it > > > just to be "cute." I can't think of a single reason, otherwise, why one > > > would one do that? > > > > > > When I was in the 8th grade, one of the courses we were required to take > was > > > in typing. I've never gotten particularly good at it, but I did learn > that > > > a period at the end of a sentence is followed by two spaces, for > example. > > > In about the first grade, I learned that the first letter in a sentence > is > > > customarily capitalized. Why? I don't know, but it appears to be the > > > custom. As a consequence, the absence of these basic features makes > one's > > > writing harder to read. The odd-length lines of text don't help > > > readability, either. It's also customary to insert a blank line between > > > paragraphs. That, surely, is to enhance readability. If you want > people to > > > read your stuff, you've got to make it easy for them. > > > > > > If you insist on writing in a style reminiscent of E. E. Cummings > poetry, > > > you may find that your messages are read by readers of this forum with > about > > > the same frequency as E.E. Cummings' work, which might be a shame, in > case > > > you really do have something significant to contribute. or in case I'm > the > > > only one who doesn't read much Cummings. > > > > > > Dick > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <Golemancd(a)aol.com> > > > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > > > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 6:13 AM > > > Subject: Re: Language and English > > > > > > > this may help > > > > i am 38 years old, so there is nothing about my typing style > > > > where i am trying to be cute. > > > > i collect any computer i can get my hands on. > > > > i am developing an operating system and a multimedia program > > > > to create movies. > > > > i use a newer computer to produce records. > > > > i am also working out, as i was talking about > > > > in the original thread that got off track, a distributed > > > > os to control robots and also a custom computer > > > > to do the same. > > > > > > > > i guess thats it. > > > > joee > > > > > > > > > > > >

22 years, 11 months

RFD: SPAM

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 4, 17:43, Doc wrote: > On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Tothwolf wrote: > > > Well, about the only thing I've found that seems to deter spammers is > > being aggressive with them. Phone calls and faxes to companies they do > > business with and work for seem to work wonders. > > Well, it looks like the relationship between subscribing to this list > and the wave of spam was simply coincidental. I do use agressive means > to discourage repeat performances, but I'll admit the latest wave of > character-based asian crap has me stumped. I don't know for sure that it's the list, but I only use this email address for private mail and this list. I never use it in other obvious places that would attract spam, such as Usenet, yet I seem to get a little flurry of extra spam every so often, corresponding to shortly after I post something here. I'm convinced there's some relationship. Quite how to reconcile that with the fact that other people who post here never seem to have a problem, I don't know. I've learned to live with it. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 11 months

Language and English

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Unfortunately, todays student doesn't have the tools he needs to cope with a >foreign language if he hasn't been taught basic sentence structure(subject, >verb, predicate nominative, predicate adjective, etc.) , spelling, and >grammar. What the hell is THIS based on? Certainly not reality. Any sentence structure and grammar I learned in English class was actually COUNTER PRODUCTIVE to me when trying to learn French that uses a totally different sentence structure. I was constantly confused when attempting to form a sentence in French, as I tried to speak it in English structure. I would have to conclude, that LACK of basic sentence structure knowledge in English will actually HELP a student learn other languages (including English in the long run, as their brain becomes programmed to a more open thought process towards language). I base this on my own difficulties in learning a foreign language... and on the absolute EASE with which my brother's 3 kids have learned Spanish and English by growing up in a bilingual house hold... as well as my cousin who was speaking fluent Italian and English by 3 (well, as fluent as a 3 yr old speaks any language), since he too grew up in a bilingual household. Add to it that the most common foreign language errors made by people that have basic fluency in multiple languages, is incorrect sentence structure... because they easily mix up what order things should be in for a given language. Nope... in reality, I think the LESS you know of a given language when attempting to learn additional ones, the better chance you have of learning the 2nd (or more) language. And for that reason, I feel foreign languages should be started at the grade school level, and NOT wait until high school (yes, I think learning multiple languages is very important... and should be required schooling, at least in the USA. With a stronger concentration on English since it is the "accepted" language of the USA... in other countries, YMMV, and the "base" language would obviously be the accepted language of the area) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 11 months

DECstation hardware guide

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated Fri, 4 Jan 2002 8:09:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Peter C. Wallace" <pcw(a)mesanet.com> writes: > On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 Colorfulfag(a)aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated Fri, 4 Jan 2002 7:42:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> writes: > > > > > On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > > > > > > > > Anyone got a handful o' ram for it? > > > > > > > > > > Doc > > > > > > > several handfulls, maybe even shovelfulls... > > > > > > > > > > > > 3100's take 12 simms max for 24 M total > > > > > > So what'cha want for it? I got a lot more toys than cash.... Some > > > RS/6000 MCA stuff, some Sparc sbus doohickeys and a mouse or 3, with > > > optical pads, lotsa late-ISA/early-PCI PC stuff. I got 4Mb parity > > > SIMMs, 72-pin, out the wazoo. Or a PowerBook 145B, sans battery, but > > > with charger brick. Or.... > > > > > > Doc > > > > I would love to get some ram for these as well.. I happen to have a > > *few* spare 3100'ds with no ram in them. > > > > -Linc. > > > > > > > How many do you need? > > shipping should be minimal > > Peter Wallace 12, 24, how many do you have / what's the cost / what are you willing to part with :-)

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test-drb January 2002