test-drb January 2002

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Crescent wrenches (was: Nomenclature (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by mhstein＠usa.net

Whoa, can't let that one by: we know what a snowmobile is up here (c'mon, fellow Canucks, back me up on this one!); mind you, if you asked ME what a snowmobile is, I would indeed look at ya kind of funny (oops, funnily, for the language police), since apparently YOU don't know what it is or you wouldn't be asking... But a snow sled??? Who calls it that? Sounds like the SkiDoo trailer. Anyway, one of us invented the thing, so we can call it what we like! So there! :) -----------------Original Message------------------ From: Roger Merchberger <zmerch(a)30below.com> [snippage] [more snippage (pronounced snippahdge up here, not snippedge :)] And as it's winter, and we *finally* have snow here, talk to some Western Ontario Canadians and ask them what a "snowmobile" or "snow sled" is - they'll most likely look at you funny, at least for a few seconds until it sinks in. They go "skidooing" in the wintertime.

22 years, 6 months

FreeVMS

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

Replies throughout..... >I have not-too-much experince with VMS, so bear with me, but wouldn't it >be possible to do one of the following options: > >1) Stick an 'emulation' user-mode shell on top of some free *nix > >2) Take a stock free *nix kernel, and modify it to work more like VMS. That was the idea. I thought of taking FreeBSD, and add device drivers for peripherals and filesystems, as well as implementing the "shell". I do have various VAXen to test this on. >Of course, the problem is deciding what ONE kernel to use (prolly BSD or >Linux 2.??), and how to trim down the kernel to a small set of drivers for >testing it. I was thinking about using FreeBSD, simply for the availability of many platform ports, including VAX. - Matt Matthew Sell Programmer On Time Support, Inc. www.ontimesupport.com (281) 296-6066 Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! http://www.ontimesupport.com/cgi-bin/mojo/mojo.cgi "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

22 years, 6 months

Heath/Zenith stuff

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

------Original Message------ From: Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> --- Bill Gunshannon <bill(a)cs.scranton.edu> wrote: > Your thinking of the Heath H11 which was in fact an LSI-11/02. But it had It shipped as an LSI-11/03 CPU and heath made memory and IO. My H-11 came with a KDF-11 CPU (11/23), but I don't know if it was shipped that way or if my boss (who bought it new) upgraded it himself. Yep, never shipped with 11/23 (KDF-11A). It was discontinued by then if anything. I have a couple of the Heath serial cards (one unsoldered!), the H-27 disk controller, the 8" floppies and a pile of misc DEC cards (memory, BDV-11 boot card, etc). The heath seriial card was a fairly flexible card copared to the usual DEC DL-11. to debug the H-27 (he never used it). Except for the monsterous holes he blew in the side to mount additional fans, and the holes in the front he added for external console baud rate switches, it resembles its original form once again. The fans and switches were a common mod and handy too. Allison __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

22 years, 6 months

Drummers and SGI computers

by macrecycle＠earthlink.net

Wait just a cotton-pickin' minute there! What's all this biz about dissin' drummers? I'd have you know, like Buddy Rich said, "I am the band, mister." I figure 40 years of being a Slingerland drummer (www.slingerland.com) and Paiste cymbal player (www.paiste.com) driving swing and jazz (and an occasional rock group, when I'm not critical about the music *8^) earn me that right. And, for your information, drummers don't lose time; they reinterpret the chart, for crying out loud. Sheesh! Now, let's get back to computers. Still looking for SGI Indy at a good price; anybody got any ideas? R. P. Bell My friends call me "RB" ================= Mac Recycle Project Recycled Macintosh Computers and Services for Educational or Non-Profit Enterprises Email macrecycle(a)earthlink.net Internet URL www.networkwise.net (currently under development)

22 years, 6 months

Language and English

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Secondly, anyone with an IQ at or about 75 can >get through the present education system with straight A's if he shows up for >class and does the assigned work. ROFL... sad but true. >What you're saying to the readers of the list is, "You should read what I >have >to say, though I'm not willing to make sure it's clearly or properly >presented." I find it hard to imagine that you could offer content that >would >justify the effort, Chris. Ok... Richard, Dick, whatever you like to call yourself. You sit here claiming to be this great writer and reader... yet it seems you have NO F-ING memory. If you care to go back over the various posts on this thread, you will see that I am NOT the person that was using poor writing skills. Rather, all I said was, to the language die hards, don't forget the possibility that what you got *might* have been the best the person was capable of. I never said the one this was all about (I won't mention names... I'll leave that up to an exercise to your god like reading skills), was writing to the best of HIS ability (he might be, but he seems to have indicated that he writes the way he does by choice... fine by me). But somewhere, you seemed to have translated this into ME be the offender of writing poor emails... despite the fact, that I have tried to point out to you numerous times, that this thread HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ME. (did you get that, or should I print it in another format, one your perfect writing skills would use, so maybe your reading skills can pick it up as well) So... maybe your reading comprehension is bad, maybe you suffer from serious memory deficiencies... I have no idea... but until you can figure out that we are talking CONCEPTUAL here, and NOT ACTUAL... I will cease to discuss the matter with you. Have a nice day :-) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 6 months

DEC bus driver/receiver chips (really VT78 docs)

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com wrote: > > I have a VT78. Is that the one you're thinking of? No. That's three now :-) I was thinking of the one the CCS have: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/CCS/ Antonio

22 years, 6 months

Ultrix 4.4 and VaxStation 3100

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! -----Original Message----- ! From: Clint Wolff (VAX collector) [mailto:vaxman@earthlink.net] ! ! ! The last I heard, NetBSD didn't support any sort of graphics console. ! Not even as a text only console... ! ! Clint ! ! On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, David Woyciesjes wrote: ! ! > ! From: Jochen Kunz [mailto:jkunz@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de] ! > ! ! > ! ! > ! > (assuming X11 worked on ! > ! > the Vaxstation 3100 under Ultrix -- I assume it would.) ! > ! AFAIK the SPX graphics was not supported, only the mono and GPX ! > ! framebuffers. ! > ! > So there is some chance of NetBSD/Xwindows running on my ! > b&w 3100m38? ! > ! > --- David A Woyciesjes So, the monitor and keyboard hooked directly to the back of the VAXStation 3100 M38 is not a text only console? What kind of console is it then? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

22 years, 6 months

HP2000 available for login yet?

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

While we're on the HP 2000 subject: Drug home two more HP1000s (first cousin to the 2000) last wekend. Both systems were mounted in racks and seemed to be fairly complete. The first system was a HP3095 test system. The 3095 series are used in conjunction with a bed-of-nails for the automated testing of boards and assemblys. The system included a HP7914 HD/TAPE combo, 768K of RAM, multiple HPIB interfaces, 8 port TTY card, I/O expansion chassis, misc other I/O cards (unknown). I was hoping that the RTE system was still installed on the disk but, looks like it won't be recoverable. The disk sounded like a coffee grinder when I applied power... Bummer :-( For some reason, the CPU was missing the ROM. I managed to steal the ROM >from another box and now the CPU runs OK. The second system was a vibration analyzer. It included a basic computer, D/A and A/D interfaces, a 8" floppy drive, X/Y display, and system controller. There were no disks with this drive either which leaves me without an OS. If anyone knows where to find DOCs for a "HP5478C system interface" or "HP5477C system controller", I'd appreciate the info. From what I can tell, the system interface is a multiple channel DAC and the controller provides some external switching capability. I'd really like to know more about these. That box has a bad power supply. There's a red indicator on the front of the PS that just stays lit when power is applied. I think this is a fault indicator. There are no voltages on the backplane of that box. I stole the ROM from this box to get the other one going. I know where there is a 1000 crate that's mostly stripped. The panel, and all the cards have been removed but, the PS may be intact. If so, I should be able to liberate the PS. >From what I understand, the ROMS on the 1000 are not easy to dup. They have ID labels over the markings so, I can't even tell what kind of devices they are. Has anyone had experience dupping the ROMs from a 1000? I have tried to download the HP BASIC tapes from Jeff's site but cannot get them to work. The format doesn't look quite right and they fail the checksum test. Has anyone had any luck downloading those tapes and installing on a 1000? So... At this point, I have two working HP1000s, lots of I/O cards, a spare create for parts, and a bunch of other goodies. BTW: I know where there are some more systems. Probably go back this week and get more. See ya, SteveRob >From: "Mike Gortych" <mgortych(a)ntplx.com> >Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Subject: HP2000 available for login yet? >Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:55:34 -0500 > >Saw some posts back in August that Jay got his 2000 up and running, just >wondering if it was available to for a guest to login and reminisce. > >Thanks! >Mike _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

22 years, 6 months

Fwd: those who asked. golemancd pc collection

by Golemancd＠aol.com

22 years, 6 months

Language and English

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Chris, nobody would beat you up for trying to improve himself. Having a few >weaknesses is one thing. Defending them is another. Blaming someone else >for you having them is worse yet. I'm not trying to defend lazy writing skills. I'm not directly trying to blame others either (although, I think a chunk of initial poor writing skills of any kind can be pinned back to improper or poor education. You can't fault the student, if the teachers failed to teach the right thing). >I'll repeat: Make it easy for them to see what you mean in what you write by >taking a little extra care. It's important. Learn to do it well. I agree 100%... but do you mean to say that EVERYONE that uses email has an IQ over 120, and can be expected to master writing skills? Granted, chances are if you are on THIS list, you might be above average, but I am talking more in general (as I am sure some of the correction offenders do this in more places than here) >It's never too late to improve, but YOU have to do it, else it won't happen. No, it isn't too late, but there comes a time when improvement will stop, because a person can do no better. Or, improvement will stop, because the person logically chooses to attempt to do no better, because they have achieved a level that is "good enough", and their time can be better spent on other things. (ie: read Strunk and White, or better your job skills) I am not trying to defend myself, or say that any of this is about me. I want to make that clear... other than poor spelling, I am unaware of any serious language infractions I have ever committed on this list... and when writing anything other than email, I personally rely heavily on spell and grammar checkers... specifically to avoid having my writing make me seem like an ass... I want the honor of making me an ass to be totally on WHAT I write, not HOW I write. I just want some of the hard core language nazi's to realize that sometimes, they should just let it go. If you can't understand what was written, delete it, ignore it, whatever. Friendly constructive criticism is fine... but do it in jest, don't be a dick about it (this isn't saying YOU are a dick about it, no pun intended Richard, just in general, PEOPLE should not make federal crimes out of it... well, at least not until it has spun so badly off topic that it has become interesting and fun in it own right, like this thread). So if you can't understand it because it is so poorly written, you might be better off just ignoring it or deleting it. And if you are the person that wrote that way, and no one responds, maybe you should consider following more traditional writing styles, and check your grammar and spelling. And for those that can't do that (English, or the language of the group, is not their first language, and their skills in general are poor), they should mention that up front. I just don't think highly of people that quote an email specifically to point out writing errors in it. It has never convinced me of anything except that the quote corrector is an arrogant self righteous a-hole. However, if they were to be friendly about it, and do the correction in a tongue in cheek manner, then the original author would get the idea they should be more careful (and probably learn a few things), and the corrector would come off as being more friendly. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 6 months

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test-drb January 2002