test-drb January 2002

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by spedraja＠ono.com

Congratulations for your advance. I have one PDP/11-23 PLUS with 128 Kwords of memory. I don't tried to boot it because I need to take my own RL02 from Germany where it's actually. But I use to startup this V6 distribution under Bob Supnik's SIMH v2.8-5. I've detected the panic problem in multiuser mode some months ago in my private hackings. I should agree to know all your advances and hacks in this aspect, please. Thanks and Greetings Sergio -----Mensaje original----- De: Kevin McQuiggin <mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca> Para: info-pdp11(a)village.org <info-pdp11(a)village.org> Fecha: domingo, 06 de enero de 2002 10:30 Asunto: Unix v6 and 11/23 - Success! >Hi All: > >Thanks for the assistance today. Thoughts about the DEC firmware wanting >a NOP in early bytes of sector 0 must have been correct. I was able to >get to ODT via the HALT button, and entered a 4 instruction bootstrap >(basically, read current sector into memory starting at 0 and wait), >halted the machine, entered "0G" via ODT, and watched with glee as Unix >came up. > >Some confusion ensued when I couldn't get it to work a second time, but >then I realized that due to the simplicity of the bootstrap, the heads >would have to be over sector 0 for this to work. Unloading and reloading >the pack reset the heads to sector zero, and the boot process is now >easily repeatable. A better bootstrap would help in the longer run. > >Single user mode comes up fine, I get a panic while trying to get it to >come up in multi-user, but it's great progress for the day. > >Thanks to all on the list who replied with suggestions. > >Kevin > > > >-- >Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD >mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca >---------- >To unsubscribe (or subscribe) from (to) this list, send a message to >info-pdp11-request(a)village.org, with the first line of the message >body being "unsubscribe" or "subscribe", respectively (without the quotes).

22 years, 11 months

Language and English

by mhstein＠usa.net

Well, I've only been on this list since October, but I think I've gotten a pretty good feel for the style and flavour in that short time, and all in all it's a great resource, informative (although, like you, I spend a lot of time scrolling through the DEC stuff :), and often a lot of fun to read. Actually Sellam is one of my favourite posters; his comments are usually quite appropriate and I really appreciate his often acerbic, no BS style; he apparently values his time (and mine, as the reader), whereas a number of people on this list apparently have a great deal more time available than I do (and that's not a criticism; in fact I envy them). No problem with the 'A' word either, especially when used self-deprecatingly or as a warning to me that if I say something foolish I might not be treated with gentle understanding and kindness; I am surprised though, that people as intelligent as everyone on this list seems to be would not find a more sophisticated way to show their contempt for someone else's opinions than to just call them names (and seriously mean it as far as I can tell). Just my C$.02 worth; as a newbie here I've got no business judging anybody. But as a newbie, I do want to add something FWIW: The original replies to Joee made the point that his way of expressing himself might backfire, in that someone who might have something useful (to Joee) to contribute might either just skip over his posts or judge that he wasn't 'worthy' of their help. Then the replies to those replies suggested that if we alienate Joee we might lose out on something _he_ might have to contribute. Well, speaking for myself, although I too was mildly annoyed by Joee's style and _apparent_ attitude, I wasted more time on and was more annoyed by the subsequent squabbling, although the _serious_ discussions of language were interesting for the most part. Joee himself must be rolling on the floor laughing over what he stirred up; reminds me of the story of the person who was incorrectly diagnosed as retarded for 2 years ("And they called ME retarded!") I do love the irony that while there's lengthy discussion over whether it's appropriate to type without caps, there's little interest in whether it's appropriate to call someone an asshole - style over content, sign of the times... My point (at last!) is this: When I first started looking around for a place to find takers for the 30 year accumulation of hardware, software and documentation I am getting rid of, this list stood out among the many others as an intelligent and fairly (but not too) serious and intelligent place; if I'd run across it a few days ago, I would have passed it by as just another list where people spend more time yakking and flaming each other than discussing computers and helping each other, because the people who have relevant things to contribute either remain quiet and invisible, or their posts are buried among the other stuff. Maybe, just maybe, there are other people who could make substantial contributions to this list and vintage computer collecting in general who'd feel the same way, despair of finding a suitable place to post, and move on or just toss out their stuff and whatever resources or expertise they may have. I like your idea of separate lists, in fact I am on a list that does just that; one list for the actual purpose of the list, and another for OT threads, rambling, ranting and raving. Works very well for me; I have a choice whether to just quickly read the important stuff in case there's something urgent to reply to, or grab a cuppa and 'socialize' for a while. Oops, this rant's getting longer than even Richard's recent ones; just wanted to say that while we're certainly going to yak among old friends and ramble OT occasionally, maybe we should try to stand out among all the other lists and stop short of the point where someone new with something to contribute will pass us by and write us off as just another bunch of assholes... mike Incidentally, Lawrence, I haven't gotten any replies to my off-list messages to you about the books & NetCommander; are you getting them or is there a problem? -----------------------Original Message------------------------- From: "Lawrence Walker" <lgwalker(a)mts.net> Subject: Re: Language and English As a fellow Canjen. Welcome to the classiccomp mailing list. Hey if you want nit-picking and flames look back in the archives a couple of years ago. At that time Sellam was known as Sam and his sig included the disclaimer "occasional asshole" which I seem to have, in my own mind, at least, inherited. Cmon Sellam tell me to F.O.. If this happens I promise to nevemore trangress the OT rule. Unless neccessary. Lawrence

22 years, 11 months

Toshiba T3200SX Question

by mhstein＠usa.net

I've got a T3100e, so this may be irrelevant, but FWIW: Just had to replace the Li battery in mine; cost $15 the last time, $25 today. Since there was just enough room in there for 2 alkaline AAs in a holder, I thought I'd give that a try; seems to be working fine so far, despite being only 3V instead of 3.6V. Re the HD: when mine failed a few years back, I heard lots of info that it was an ST-512 drive with a special connector. Apparently not; installed a standard 80Mb (MB? mb? mB? :) IDE drive, Disk Manager to get around the fixed drive type, and Bob's your uncle. Good luck with the cleanup. mike

22 years, 11 months

Compenents Source?

by mhstein＠usa.net

As mentioned elsewhere, I'd recommend a cheap pair of computer speakers as well; trouble is, all the ones I've seen split the batteries between the two speakers, so it's tough to just use one. But if you're still looking & don't want to rebuild a portable radio (hard to find one with a speaker these days), I've got one or two of those RS powered speakers somewhere that you could have for next to nothing, depending on shipping cost. mike -----------------Original Message--------------- From: Kent Borg <kentborg(a)borg.org> Subject: Compenents Source? In olden days I would go to Radio Shack, but that doesn't work anymore, so I though I would ask here. Anyone know where I could find a small, cheap, low power, amplified, battery powered speaker? Back when I would have bought a "telephone amplifier", but in 2002 I can't immedaitely find such a thing. Thanks,

22 years, 11 months

Movie making and distributed robotics

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>The effects 1) Mat backgrounds 2) CG effects 3)anamatronic are so >good you can't see any flaws when they switch shots between formats. >In the version narrated by the special effects people you get all the >details. Cool... I will have to check it out. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 11 months

PS/2 Memory

by ajwotherspoon＠shaw.ca

Two sticks of memory pulled from a dead IBM PS2/57: One piece, with 9 chips per side, is from IBM and is labelled: UY IBM091 8M 70NS P P/N 71F7011 FRU 64F3606 Two of the chips are covered with paper labels; the other 16 chips are all marked (very faintly): IBM 0169216 53 70 Q 312145800 The other piece, with 12 chips per side, is marked: Front: PIICEON SR8192PS Back: GTS12 94V0 16 (8 on each side) of the chips are Micron Technology 4C4001JDJ-7. 8 (4 on each side) of the chips are Motorola MCM511000AJ70. Pictures of both pieces, front and back, are at http://members.shaw.ca/ajwotherspoon/ps2. Each of the two images is 0.5mb. Unable to test. Therefore AS IS. Yours for US$10 (or offer) for the pair plus the shipping cost (Canada Post or courier service) (and insurance if desired) from Victoria, BC, Canada. Alex

22 years, 11 months

Crescent wrenches (was: Nomenclature (was: NEXT Color Printerfind

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> > > > Heh. Mexican speed wrench... > > > > Funny, I've always heard it referred to as a *Kentucky* speed > > wrench ;>) > > I like that even better! But down yonder, they have > to be carefull with them, after all, they *really* > hurt when they're dropped on bare feet... Same thing in KY ;>) Glen 0/0

22 years, 11 months

Movie making and distributed robotics

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>> > Watching Jurassic Park 3, A 10,000 HP 43 foot long robot dinosaur >> > does a lot of damage just by walking not to mention its bite. >> > Who needs weapons :) Movie studios don't generally make any "puppets" that are THAT big. If it is entirely anamatronic, then it is probably done on scale. Something of that size would be limited to basic movements, and probably not for a movie prop. They would just build dinosaur "parts" (sets and props are never made to more than what the camera sees anyway). >Watch the movie Jurassic park #3, the T-rex had his head chewed >off by the new 'king' of the dinosaurs. The special effects >people put in some REALLY big beasts. But by #3 were these still anamatronic, or entirely CG? (even #1 was a good chunk CG, but I haven't seen #2 or #3, so I can't give my opinions on the "look" of it). I would think by the 3rd, the only scenes that still had "real" dinosaurs would be close ups of the actors interacting directly with the beast. However, these kinds of things ARE built for outside of the movie industry. Ever been to Disney's Animal Kingdom? They have a "Dinosaur Adventure" ride (or some name to that effect). That has a few "full size" dinosaurs in it, and they do some basic movements. (Although, if you ever get to walk the track, I would think you will find they are not truly life size, but rather use forced perspective to make them look bigger than they really are). They are probably fairly fragile as far as the skin is concerned... but I wouldn't want to get caught up in their skeleton while it is operating... I'm sure it could take a limb off with ease. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 11 months

Movie making and distributed robotics

by Golemancd＠aol.com

the idea is to have the robot take care of itself. just refer to the master os for references and instructions. master os will be used like a server. server of info, directions, traffic directions , scripts, etc. like a co-ordinator. to direct everything that is going on. for example like a forman on a building site. the forman gives everyone their job and they go to it. if there are any questions you refer back to him. or when you are finished your job, you refer to him and he gives you another one. and the forman monitors everything in progress. if he sees something that isnt going correctly, he may step in and give other instructions. joee

22 years, 11 months

Some pointers needed on a 11/70

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 4, 15:40, The Wanderer wrote: > > There are various things done by the power-up bootstrap diagnostic > True, I have re-read the M9312, and at address 777644 is the diagnostics > rom start > address. When I load this address and then set 012 in the switch reg, > for some > moments it is blinking leds, and then lets the pause light on. There is > no sensible > address/error code shown at the console which should indicate a diag > failure. Are you sure about that address? According to my M9312 manual (microfiche), the correct start address for 11/70 diagnostics (23-616F1 PROM) is 765744. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 11 months

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test-drb January 2002