YAY!!!!! I found a local wholesaler that offered to sample me out 2 of the
chips I need :)
I will definately be buying repair componants for systems from them from
now on :) I LOVE a company that goes out of their way to provide customer
service :)
I also found a source for 11 of them in a tube for $12.00 plus
shipping, he ahs 7 tubes :) i think I'll be getting a few of these since
sparc 2's, ipc's ipx's and Sparc 10's all use those for their ROMs...
Does anyone have any contact information for Les Solomon of Popular
Electronics fame?
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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Here's a boxed Atari 520ST with all the trimmings. Looking for a new
home. Please reply to the original sender.
Reply-to: <fmstef(a)earthlink.net>
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:31:54 -0400
From: Frederick Steffens <fmstef(a)earthlink.net>
Subject: Atari 520ST
Hi:
I have an Atari 520ST with software, a color monitor and original packing.
Also included is manuals and other software, mostly games.
I would like to give this computer to a good home, rather than trashing it.
Let me know if you have an interest.
Thanks,
Fred Steffens
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Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
Rumor has it that THETechnoid(a)home.com may have mentioned these words:
>MIght try www.atari.org. They have links to the common suppliers of
>obsolecent Atari gear. Including development boards and the like.
>
>Wish I could remember all of them, but:
>
>BravoSierra is one, B&C Computervisions is another, and there are a couple
>of others that escape my perforated memory. Acid is not a good thing for
>your long-term memory....
>
>Regards,
>
>Jeff
Those are good suggestions, but IMHO the atari dealers get kinda
expensive... the 44-pin slots were actually quite standard, and are
available from www.jameco.com & *prolly* (but don't quote me) from
www.bgmicro.com. Jameco also has the 44-pin edge proto boards, which might
be handy if you like to do homebrew electronics.
These guys carry a lot of older things, but they don't (usually) want an
arm & leg from you...
Another good place to try is www.mouser.com - I'm not affiliated with them
other than a very satisfied customer...
Jameco wants a $5.00 "processing fee" for orders under $50.00, so you might
want to browse the catalog for other stuff they carry...
HTH,
Roger "Merch" Merberger
(Oh, Jeff - I did get your email, but things have been crazy over the
winter - I have quaffed a few ales with your brother (and he likes my
homebrew... ;-), he only lives a few miles from me.)
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers
Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
From: Chris Kennedy <chris(a)mainecoon.com>
>
>You screwed up the attribution. This wasn't me -- I did the wing
loading
>calcs to refute it :-)
>
Sorry, too many layers of indirection.
Allison
Does anyone out there have a copy of this? I remember using it all the time
when my school had a nice, respectable computer network and not the Windows
NT garbage they have now. I loved the interface, not the best looking thing
around but real user friendly and all. If anyone has a copy, let me know.
-Lanny
From: Chris Kennedy <chris(a)mainecoon.com>
>
>> Since the US plane is larger and slower than the Chinese fighters it
>> would be effected more by the turbulence.
The effect of turbulence is based on wing loading and wingspan. the
E-3 having greater wingspan is less impacted as the figher wake
is more localized.
Further international flight rules stipulate that the faster and more
maneuverable plane (fighter) MUST give way to the slower (E-3).
>There's a bunch of problems with the Chinese claim that the EP-3
>made a sudden roll and thus caused the contact:
Even if that were the case the fighers position was such that he
would be invisible to the larger E-3.
>- The photo evidence of the damage isn't consistent with running
> into another airplane. The prop tips are munched, but the props
> are still attached to the gearboxes and the gearboxes and engines
> didn't depart the airframe. The damage is more consistent with
> colliding with birds -- or debris.
It was a close miss, likely the props did some nasty chewing on the
fighter.
Those mounts and gearboxes are very robust on that bird.
>- The radome is missing. I'm at a loss to explain how the radome
> got ripped off the aircraft by contact on the wing -- especially
> given that the fuselage forward of the wing root doesn't appear
> damaged.
Flying peices from the contact could be a factor.
>It looks more like the Fishbed was trying to bump the Aries (which
>essentially consists of passing under the Aires with a delta of
>about +200 knots and pulling vertical) and wasn't up to the task.
>The empennage collided with the radome, peeled the radome and part of
>the empennage off and the Aires in turn plowed through the debris field.
Likely. One common maneuver to rattle the slower bird is pass from the
low and behind and pull up and infront crossing the path of the slower
aircraft. Mistiming can be very bad.
>Like saying that _he_ gave the downed pilot permission to bail out?
>Since when does wing give lead permission to do anything (the usual
>job of wing is to tuck in tight, shut up and listen to guard) -- or
>was the surviving pilot lead, in which case what was the wingman doing
>in a position where the only way he could collide with the Aires
>would have been if the Aires went into Beta thrust?
Exactly. Inconsistant stories. Add to that the chinese pilots do
not get the air time the US pilots do and have less proficientcy.
Allison
From: THETechnoid(a)home.com <THETechnoid(a)home.com>
>The operable variables are: Method of Propulsion - wind power stays on
>course, motors maneuver. Size: The smaller vessel is generally the more
>maneuverable and is obliged to do so.
Very so for aircraft. it has more depth as there are blimps, choppers,
sailplanes but the rule is basically the same everywhere.
>There are other rules as well, but these two suit this situation very
>nicely. Fast, jet powered fighter aircraft can and should avoid
colliding
>with butt slow prop-driven piglike aircraft. Really, that is the first
>duty of any fighter pilot after taking off and before landing. The rest
>is trying to SHOOT down the bad guys. Ramming them is not nearly so
>effective, as our Chinese friends have learned.
It's a result of serious pilot error on the part of the figher pilot.
Allison
>From: "Eric J. Korpela" <korpela(a)ellie.ssl.berkeley.edu>
>To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
>Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:48 AM
>Subject: Re: Way OT (was RE: OT somewhat. China, our aircraft, delays.)
>
>
>> > - The radome is missing. I'm at a loss to explain how the radome
>> > got ripped off the aircraft by contact on the wing -- especially
>> > given that the fuselage forward of the wing root doesn't appear
>> > damaged.
>>
>> I've assumed that the missing radome was part of the "landing
>>preparations" if you know what I mean.
Far from likely, the dome it self is just a RF transparent window and
all the goodies, radar antenna and bits, are mounted to the aircraft.
The seperation like for a contact would be clean as the dome is
removeable with ease for maintenace on the equipment behind it.
Besides the dome leaving would likely contact other parts of the
plane on the way past doing significant damage.
What I can't figure is why the figher pilot didn't punch out unless
his path was such that his canopy was scraped off taking him
with it.
Allison
I've not been active on this list, but circumstances force my hand and I must
depart. I also want to clear my rooms of stuff that's filling my place.
I have a Tektronix 4012 terminal (vaguelly working - the screen lights up)
to anyone who wants it and can pick it up. I'm in Canberra, Australia.
I've got a few other items around that might be of interest to people.
Some Xterminals (not actually 10 years old, but still older than most people
want to know about) and WYSE terminals. (one that works, one that is probably
fixable, and one that probably isn't)
You'll have to email me directly if you're interested. <nemo(a)net.house.cx>
cheers...
.../Nemo
