Quite all wrong.
PS/1 was the ISA-16 (AT bus) repsonse to the PS/2s lack of interest
due to it's MCA bus. It was designed to be low cost and compatable.
I have a PS/1 Consultant (486sx/25) here. Nice generic box not unlike
the
DELL 4xx series.
Allison
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From: Charles P. Hobbs (SoCalTip) <transit(a)lerctr.org>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Sunday, August 20, 2000 10:39 PM
Subject: RE: Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - *
>
>
>On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Sellam Ismail wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Bill Dawson wrote:
>>
>> > Early 128K IBM PS/1 with 5.25" floppy drive and PS/1 power cube, PS1
>> > keyboard (not chicklets), separate PS/1 color monitor, 2 PS/1
joysticks,
>> > and a large box of IBM software (games and educational) in the IBM
>>
>> I always wondered what era the IBM PS/1 is from? I've seen PS/1
machines
>> but they look 90s. And I never heard of them before the PS/2,
although it
>> would seem logical that the PS/1 came first. What's the deal?
>
>PS/1 came out a bit after the PS/2, if I recall correctly. It was
>a "cut-down" version of the PS/2 for home use. It lacked some things
>that the PS/2 had, but I forget what. (Shades of the PCjr)
>
To all,
Please note the correction in the description of the one IBM system
available below. I meant PC jr, not PS/1. Somehow, I hope this is
related to a major blow I received on my head last night in an accident,
which cut my scalp about 1.5 across and peeled it back about 2 inches.
This would have to be in a place where I had already lost hair. If this
isn't related, then it was just a stupid mistake d8^)
I guess this an appropriate topic to put out the word about a fairly
obscure organization in SW PA that regularly has vintage computers for
sale at their Canonsburg location (and now on this list) and my
relationship with them. The main organization is called The Washington
City Mission, which is a Christian Homeless Rehabilitation Shelter, and
they operate five "Hidden Treasures" retail stores in the local area.
They also operate the Avis Arbor Women's Shelter.
Drop-offs are accepted at all store locations, but they also have
several box vans which are out in the community during the weekdays
making pickups which are arranged by donors calling in.
Quoting from their literature:
"Five Hidden Treasures thrift stores in Burgettstown, Canonsburg,
Donora, Washington and Waynesburg offer excellent quality used
merchandise at affordable prices.
Your purchase at one of our stores provides revenue for us to continue
our programs.
Our stores are a ministry in each community, offering free of reduced
cost merchandise to those in need. Whether you are rich or poor, there
is something for everyone at Hidden Treasures."
I started out as a regular customer at the Canonsburg location, often
finding vintage computers and equipment at very reasonable prices.
Terry, the manager at the Canonsburg store, informed me they were not
picking up a lot of computer equipment because they didn't have anyone
to go through it and check it out. He offered me a volunteer position
as their "computer man", which I accepted. In return for testing and
configuring "newer" PC's for low income families and other needy
persons, I get all the vintage equipment that comes in, if I want it.
The word is out now, and all computer equipment is accepted. Needless
to say the usual things are plentiful, Commodores, Atari's, etc., but it
is great to get some systems in that are still new in the box, along
with an occasional CP/M system. We will be relocating the store in the
future, so I am planning a vintage computer museum section. The
difference will be that everything will be available for very reasonable
prices. We are also planning on selling on eBay.
Right now we have several complete vintage PC systems for sale, and lots
of components. If anyone on this list is interested, contact me off
list with a reasonable offer, exclusive of actual shipping costs. I'm
not talking anywhere near eBay prices here. Just cover the time needed
to pack things for shipping and a reasonable donation. And yes, your
donation is tax deductible. Shipping available via UPS Ground and USPS
parcel post, USPS Priority for smaller items and if requested. Photos
also available upon request. And if you can get to our store, contact
me for directions and a meeting time.
Current systems and components that need homes:
Original IBM 5150 PC, dual floppies, 5153 CGA monitor, IBM PC keyboard
and 80 column IBM printer. Great physical and working condition.
Early 128K IBM PC jr with 5.25" floppy drive and PC jr power cube, PC jr
keyboard (not chicklets), separate PC jr color monitor, 2 PC jr
joysticks, and a large box of IBM software (games and educational) in
the IBM plastic boxes, 4 are on cartridges, the rest are on floppies,
all have manuals. Also includes all the original PC jr manuals and
software, IBM DOS 2.X (I think 2.0 or 2.01) with slipcover binder. I
can supply a list of the software titles to anyone seriously interested
in this package. I also have the IBM 132 column printer that came in
with all this. Great physical and working condition.
Complete Apple Performa 637CD, Apple 15" Multiple Scan M2943 monitor,
Keyboard, Mouse. Great physical and working condition.
Early NEC PC, monitor and keyboard. Details if requested. Haven't
checked it out yet.
IBM PC jr color monitor. (#2)
Various EGA and CGA monitors.
Apple 15" Multiple Scan M2943 monitor (#2)
Lots and lots of PC keyboards.
80 column dot matrix printers, mostly tractor feed.
PC power supplies.
Various PC network cards, BNC/RJ-45. I pull them all from the PC
systems that come in.
Other items arriving just about every day. I'm going to try to get
approval for us to accept large business systems also. We have the
storage in Washington, and with the large area that our trucks cover,
some great stuff is bound to turn up eventually.
My recent finds: Atari 130XE NIB, C-128 NIB, Commodore 1526 LQ printer,
NIB, lots of accessories, and boxes and boxes of manuals and diskettes.
If there is interest within this group, more posts will follow and
nothing much will end up on eBay. And remember, this endeavor supports a
very worthy cause.
Bill
-> This is a "GOODWILL COMPUTERWORKS". A dedicated computer store.
->
-> *ALL THEY SELL* is computers. All the computers donated to Goodwill
across
-> the state are trucked here, where if possible, they're reassembled
into
-> working boxes/parts (in the case of PCs), tested, and put out on the
-> shelves for people to buy. 99% of the people coming in are looking
for
-> a PC, Mac, parts for same, or a printer or keyboard, etc; they've
just
-> recently opened up the "back room" with the old vintage stuff.
->
-> People that go to the store *are* interested in the museum; they've
-> been doing it to a limited extent for the past 2-3 years (as long as
-> I've been going to the store), but have just recently gotten the room
-> to expand it.
->
-> When I spoke to one of the employees yesterday, he said that they get
-> offered TONS more stuff that they simply dont have room for, but
would
-> love to take. I'm trying to work with them to establish another
mailing
-> list of collectors for this stuff - so that if GWCW gets offered a
piece
-> of hardware that they dont have the room for, the people on the list
can
-> then take a shot at it.
->
-> If you want the "normal" GoodWill store, where you can buy clothing,
-> coffee pots, old furnitre, etc, the newly expanded and remodeled
store
-> is about a half mile up the street.
A few month ago a promised to make a scan of the INTEL 4004 and 4040
datasheets aviable to the mebers of this list. I now have a place to put
these files so take a look if you are so inclined.
They come from the 1976 Inelco Databook. In future I may also place the
8080 and the 8008 datasheets here
http://xgistor.ath.cx/files
I e-mailed some guy at Intel and he told me that placing these scans would
not infringe any copyright because Intel provided the information to
dealers with the intent of publishing it in their publications.
Anyway they'll be aviable until sombody legal asks me to pull them from this
site
Sipke de Wal
I thought I'd forward this along since it explains PayPal's policies and
is timely. It doesn't address Jim's dilemma, but it's worth a read. It
has some HTML so beware.
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Date: 20 Aug 2000 08:01:27 -0000
From: PayPal Business Account Verification <busacctverification(a)x.com>
To: vcf(a)vintage.org
Subject: PayPal's New Fraud Protection Policy
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Looking for a six in a pile of nines...
VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1
San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California
See http://www.vintage.org for details!
I've just put up two SCSI 9-track tape drives (front autoloaders) on
Haggle under 'Drives.' The first one is a SCSI-SE M4 Data 9914 at:
http://www.haggle.com/cgi/getitem.cgi?id=202390084
The second is a SCSI-DIFF interface HP 88780 (Tandem 5190 badged) at:
http://www.haggle.com/cgi/getitem.cgi?id=202390090
The 9914 is known to be working, if a bit dinged cosmetically. The 88780
is unknown condition at this time, but it was pulled out of a working
system. I may be able to do a basic power-on test for it in the near future.
FWIW, the M4 drive is still a current/supported product. The 88780 may or
may not be.
I'm -really- reluctant to ship these because of size/weight. With either
unit, you'd be looking at shipping costs of around $170 ($100 for a custom
box, another $70 or so for ground shipping and insurance).
So, unless you're not local to the area and are REALLY desperate for a
SCSI 9-tracker, I'd prefer local pickup. Thanks much.
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Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies
http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com
Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K)
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our
own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
On August 18, Bill Bradford wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 09:06:04PM -0600, Reuben Reyes wrote:
> > If you are ever in Austin Texas you may want to check this out.
> > RR
>
> I'll be taking pictures of it tomorrow with my digital camera.
>
> I want their EL94. 8-)
That kinda bothers me...Sure, an EL is no spring chicken, but it's
still quite a useful (and easily runnable) machine. It shouldn't be
rotting away in a museum. 1s and XMPs should be in museums...not ELs.
Grr.
-Dave McGuire
...with an EL94 on the way
I'm looking for a small air-cooled Cray system to complete my
collection - anybody know where I can find an EL92, EL94, or J90?
(a local place has an EL94 in their "not for sale - museum", and
they wont sell it at any price.. 8-( )
Bill
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Yes, hard-sectored would be nice... preferably 32 sectors.. But that's just
because both my Wang 2200MVP and my Burroughs B80 take hard-sectored 8"
floppies... Could also use some TEAC 60MB cassette-type tapes, umm
something-or-other 300 maybe? They fit this weird SCSI drive I have, they
are *not* audio cassettes though...
Will J
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Whilst shopping for chair mats, my wife stumbled across an office supply web
site which, among other things, sells 8 inch floppies, ds-dd 5.25 inch floppies
, 5.25 inch hd floppies, and 3.5 inch ds-dd floppies.
The site is:
http://www.atyouroffice.com
Thought y'all might want to know.
--
Jim Strickland
jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com
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Well, last weekend I rescued a "Telecompaq"... I've been able to learn next
to nothing other than that A) it was a flop B) it's a pc with integrated
telephony stuff (the keyboard even has an "email" key) C) it dates to about
1985 D) AT&T sold it as the Watson, and E) there is zippo info on the net..
Altavista gave me a whopping 5 hits!
Will J
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