test-drb August 2000

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by healyzh＠aracnet.com

The PDP-8/X http://surfin.spies.com/~dgc/pdp8x/ "The PDP-8/X is a reimplementation of the PDP-8/I, with 32K words of memory (all the memory you can put on a PDP-8/I), an extended memory control, an interface to an RS-232 terminal, and an interface to an IDE disk." Looks kinda cool. He mentions in a posting that he'll post the XILINX code in a few days. Zane

23 years, 11 months

VCF Requests

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Welllll, if I journey out there from CO, I could bring a case or 2 of Mr. Pibb I suppose.... My want list: Minicomputers Mainframes Supercomputers Arcane UNIX boxen Workstations (Apollo, Whitechapel, Three Rivers, Ardent, Stardent, Stellar) Symbolics machines Will J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

23 years, 11 months

Subtle question, only a true collector can answer :-)

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Ok, so over the weekend I picked up a couple of VAXen. They were both in DEC "BA213" enclosures that were mounted to 19" DEC racks. Neither uses disks that are in the racks, although one used a tape drive that is in its rack. Here's the question, lets say I take all of the cards and move them from the BA213 in the rack, into a BA213 that is in one of the roll around pedestals. Is the system still "original" ? Clearly the only way to tell it isn't the same is that the serial number on the chassis has changed, even though the sticker is the same system type. My take on it is that its still the same if it is the same set of parts in the same configuration as I got them, other views? On a semi-related note, I paid $100 for a 4000/VLC on Ebay (I know, over market, but the thing was "new" in the box. I bid on it on a hunch, and my hunch proved to be accurate, in the original documentation are the license PAKs that go with the system, un-opened, never been used, waiting for the system "buyer" to activate/use. Clearly I can use these (LMF will accept them as valid) but what is the legality question here? DEC sold the system with these licenses to be used on it, and I'm planning on doing so. Further the licenses appear to be "generic" in the sense that they aren't addressed to a particular owner. Comments? --Chuck

23 years, 11 months

Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - *

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 8/20/00 9:11:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, foo(a)siconic.com writes: > On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Bill Dawson wrote: > > > Early 128K IBM PS/1 with 5.25" floppy drive and PS/1 power cube, PS1 > > keyboard (not chicklets), separate PS/1 color monitor, 2 PS/1 joysticks, > > and a large box of IBM software (games and educational) in the IBM > > I always wondered what era the IBM PS/1 is from? I've seen PS/1 machines > but they look 90s. And I never heard of them before the PS/2, although it > would seem logical that the PS/1 came first. What's the deal? > > Sellam PS/1s were made from 1990 to 1994. they were consumer models and used everything between 286-10 to 486-66 cpus. PS/2s were commerical desktop machines. Most people recognize the PS/1 as one of the first three models that used 286/386 cpus. they were a proprietary design with small cases and matching monitors. later models were standard LPX designs with power management. very simple and easy to fix. I've two early PS/1s in my collection. david, former PS/1 and Aptiva technical support DB Young ICQ: 29427634 hurry, hurry, step right up! see the computers you used as a kid! -> www.nothingtodo.org

23 years, 11 months

Hidden Treasures and Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - *

by whdawson＠mlynk.com

Second post of correction, since some seem to have missed it: To all, Please note the correction in the description of the one IBM system available below. I meant PC jr, not PS/1. Somehow, I hope this is related to a major blow I received on my head last night in an accident, which cut my scalp about 1.5 across and peeled it back about 2 inches. This would have to be in a place where I had already lost hair. If this isn't related, then it was just a stupid mistake d8^) I guess this an appropriate topic to put out the word about a fairly obscure organization in SW PA that regularly has vintage computers for sale at their Canonsburg location (and now on this list) and my relationship with them. The main organization is called The Washington City Mission, which is a Christian Homeless Rehabilitation Shelter, and they operate five "Hidden Treasures" retail stores in the local area. They also operate the Avis Arbor Women's Shelter. Drop-offs are accepted at all store locations, but they also have several box vans which are out in the community during the weekdays making pickups which are arranged by donors calling in. Quoting from their literature: "Five Hidden Treasures thrift stores in Burgettstown, Canonsburg, Donora, Washington and Waynesburg offer excellent quality used merchandise at affordable prices. Your purchase at one of our stores provides revenue for us to continue our programs. Our stores are a ministry in each community, offering free of reduced cost merchandise to those in need. Whether you are rich or poor, there is something for everyone at Hidden Treasures." I started out as a regular customer at the Canonsburg location, often finding vintage computers and equipment at very reasonable prices. Terry, the manager at the Canonsburg store, informed me they were not picking up a lot of computer equipment because they didn't have anyone to go through it and check it out. He offered me a volunteer position as their "computer man", which I accepted. In return for testing and configuring "newer" PC's for low income families and other needy persons, I get all the vintage equipment that comes in, if I want it. The word is out now, and all computer equipment is accepted. Needless to say the usual things are plentiful, Commodores, Atari's, etc., but it is great to get some systems in that are still new in the box, along with an occasional CP/M system. We will be relocating the store in the future, so I am planning a vintage computer museum section. The difference will be that, unlike Goodwill, everything will be available for very reasonable prices. We are also planning on selling on eBay. Right now we have several complete vintage PC systems for sale, and lots of components. If anyone on this list is interested, contact me off list with a reasonable offer, exclusive of actual shipping costs. I'm not talking anywhere near eBay prices here. Just cover the time needed to pack things for shipping and a reasonable donation. And yes, your donation is tax deductible. Shipping available via UPS Ground and USPS parcel post, USPS Priority for smaller items and if requested. Photos also available upon request. And if you can get to our store, contact me for directions and a meeting time. Current systems and components that need homes: Original IBM 5150 PC, dual floppies, 5153 CGA monitor, IBM PC keyboard and 80 column IBM printer. Great physical and working condition. Early 128K IBM PC jr with 5.25" floppy drive and PC jr power cube, PC jr keyboard (not chicklets), separate PC jr color monitor, 2 PC jr joysticks, and a large box of IBM software (games and educational) in the IBM plastic boxes, 4 are on cartridges, the rest are on floppies, all have manuals. Also includes all the original PC jr manuals and software, IBM DOS 2.X (I think 2.0 or 2.01) with slipcover binder. I can supply a list of the software titles to anyone seriously interested in this package. I also have the IBM 132 column printer that came in with all this. Great physical and working condition. Complete Apple Performa 637CD, Apple 15" Multiple Scan M2943 monitor, Keyboard, Mouse. Great physical and working condition. Early NEC PC, monitor and keyboard. Details if requested. Haven't checked it out yet. IBM PC jr color monitor. (#2) Various EGA and CGA monitors. Apple 15" Multiple Scan M2943 monitor (#2) Lots and lots of PC keyboards. 80 column dot matrix printers, mostly tractor feed. PC power supplies. Various PC network cards, BNC/RJ-45. I pull them from the PC systems that come in. Other items arriving just about every day. I'm going to try to get approval for us to accept large business systems also. We have the storage in Washington, and with the large area that our trucks, with lift gates, cover, some great stuff is bound to turn up eventually. My recent finds: Atari 130XE NIB, C-128 NIB, Commodore 1526 LQ printer, NIB, lots of accessories, and boxes and boxes of manuals and diskettes. If there is interest within this group, more posts will follow and nothing much will end up on eBay. And remember, this endeavor supports a very worthy cause. Bill -> This is a "GOODWILL COMPUTERWORKS". A dedicated computer store. -> -> *ALL THEY SELL* is computers. All the computers donated to Goodwill across -> the state are trucked here, where if possible, they're reassembled into -> working boxes/parts (in the case of PCs), tested, and put out on the -> shelves for people to buy. 99% of the people coming in are looking for -> a PC, Mac, parts for same, or a printer or keyboard, etc; they've just -> recently opened up the "back room" with the old vintage stuff. -> -> People that go to the store *are* interested in the museum; they've -> been doing it to a limited extent for the past 2-3 years (as long as -> I've been going to the store), but have just recently gotten the room -> to expand it. -> -> When I spoke to one of the employees yesterday, he said that they get -> offered TONS more stuff that they simply dont have room for, but would -> love to take. I'm trying to work with them to establish another mailing -> list of collectors for this stuff - so that if GWCW gets offered a piece -> of hardware that they dont have the room for, the people on the list can -> then take a shot at it. -> -> If you want the "normal" GoodWill store, where you can buy clothing, -> coffee pots, old furnitre, etc, the newly expanded and remodeled store -> is about a half mile up the street.

23 years, 11 months

Thoughts on a datascope

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 03:16 PM 8/21/00 -0400, you wrote: >Remove the HD and attached it as the second drive in an >old bootable PC that already has one MFM drive. You'll >need to get the drive parameters for the drive entered >into the CMOS; I think I used to use SpeedStor (?) for >that. Other utilities exist. I imagine the older Linuxes support MFM controllers. Perhaps even the current versions do, too. You could simply 'dd' the drive image to another device. My favorite backup trick recently was getting drive images >from an Amiga 2500 to a PC for use under an emulator. I mounted the PC's drive under NFS, then used a freeware program to copy the drive image to the remote file. - John

23 years, 11 months

VCF Requests

by PasserM＠umkc.edu

I thought that at least the Apple IIe is the higher grade of R@RE, or even L**K U-L-T-R-A R@R3!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Marvin Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 3:13 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: VCF Requests Well, mostly what I am looking for is documentation for S-100 stuff. I have a number of things I am willing to trade: *RARE* Apple IIe w/ Kensington Fan *RARE* Apple II+ w/ Kensington Fan *RARE* Commodore 64 in the box *RARE*? Wang Tower (don't recall model #, and didn't find ebay listing so I am just assuming it is *RARE* :).) For those that question my use of *RARE*, obviously you have not been visiting the ebay listings and I strongly suggest you do to find out that these systems are truly *RARE* :). Along the lines of docs, I have quite a bit of Polymorphic Documentation, and while I won't sell the originals (they look to be the originals used to make copies for distribution), copies are no problem. Just let me know what you are looking for in plenty of time for me to check and make copies. I will use Kinko's to do the copies. I also have quite a bit in the way of Vector Graphic Documentation including system disks. Most of the docs look like Xerox copies in Vector binders. I also have probably about 100 Polymorphic S-100 cards including the CPU, Floppy Disk Card, and Video Card. Most look like they have been partially assembled and most likely would be for someone who knows how to work and troubleshoot S-100 systems. I can also provide a manual with them. Lots of other stuff, but this will do for starters.

23 years, 11 months

Original Apple II (not + or e or other)

by PasserM＠umkc.edu

I'd consider $20 or so--be interesting to see what the consensus is. --Mike

23 years, 11 months

4004 & 4040 Datasheets

by phil＠ultimate.com

> They come from the 1976 Inelco Databook. In future I may also place the > 8080 and the 8008 datasheets here > http://xgistor.ath.cx/files I get redirected to http://reptile.thuis.noordwijk/files/ which doesn't exist! -phil

23 years, 11 months

PDP 11/23 Available

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

I just got a call from a gentleman I spoke to some time back who works at a public television station. They have two PDP 11/23 CPU cards in chassis, plus a full set of peripheral cards (not sure of details), and two RL02 drives, probably with several disk packs. This is basically one operational system plus a spare CPU and chassis. They would like to get them out of there sometime this week. If you're interested, let me know and I'll get you in touch with the right person. Bill Richman bill_r(a)inetnebr.com http://incolor.inetnebr.com Home of Fun with Molten Metal, technological oddities, and the original COSMAC Elf computer simulator!

23 years, 11 months

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