test-drb August 2000

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 21, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > > Not ten year old yet but urgent... > > Seens like Apple is actively trying to eradicate the powerbooks 5300 and > > 190. > > What CPU does the 5300/190 have in it? What were the issues? My 5300c has a PPC603e/100. It has no issues that I'm aware of. Not sure what others have experienced. -Dave McGuire

23 years, 11 months

Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - *

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated Mon, 21 Aug 2000 1:26:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu> writes: << > Anybody in the SF bay area who would like some PCJrs? PS/2s? Don't make > me bring a big pile of stuff to VCF! I have a copy of the original King's Quest here that's dying for a PCjr to run on, but I don't know too much about them to be a good PCjr shepherd. -- ------- I wouldnt mind another pcjr if it was the standard model. the enhanced model had the disk drive, and the standard model only had 64k and the two cart ports. I've got a good stash of pcjr stuff myself, including one equipped with a hard drive and 640k.

23 years, 11 months

A Call for Exhibitor's at VCF 4.0!

by vcf＠siconic.com

If you are planning to exhibit at VCF 4.0, now is the time to register! There's only a little over a month left to plan your exhibit. Please register at the following address: http://www.vintage.org/2000/exhibit.html Exhibitors receive a free special edition Exhibitor t-shirt with their paid admission. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

23 years, 11 months

PDP 11/23 Available

by Anthony.Eros＠compaq.com

I'm guessing from the original poster's address that it may be somewhere in Nebraska... > ---------- > From: John Foust[SMTP:jfoust@threedee.com] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 12:22 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: PDP 11/23 Available > > At 10:14 AM 8/21/00 -0500, Bill Richman wrote: > >I just got a call from a gentleman I spoke to some time back who works > >at a public television station. > > Location, location, location! > > - John >

23 years, 11 months

Goodwill Computerworks Museum Pictures

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 11:38 AM 8/21/00 -0400, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: >The development OS was called either "REO" or "RIO", IIRC. I used to >work for a firm that had one plus all the docs. They're still in >business, they may still have the stuff. I'll check when I can. I've got a similar paint-scheme but different box Zilog MCZ Z-80 development system, and it runs RIO. - John

23 years, 11 months

sad auction story

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

>> >> What a stupid concept! >> > >> >Almost as stupid as sending a check, ... or a money order, ... or a >> >cashiers check. Hey, why buy anything since there are always risks >> >involved. >> >> Yes, but unlike paypal, you can still dispute a payment using the >> other methods and still be able to use them. What paypal does with >> that requirement is remove any recourse a person has... > > Paypal is a means of payment just like a money order or cashiers check. It > is not in the business of arbitration. The means of payment is separate from > the transaction itself ... as it should be. This type of transaction gone > bad is probably something Yahoo should get involved with. If you mail off a > check to someone and it appears that fraud is involved, you don't really > think the bank will get involved do you? On the contrary, if I say to the bank, "I think that cheque number 1203 was cashed fraudulently", I expect them to dig out the cheque and find out what account it was paid into, and if it is not in the name of the person I wrote on the cheque, to find out by whose signature it was endorsed, and help me determine whether the payee really was the person who endorsed it. Etc. This is at least equivalent to Paypal's new terms as posted by Sellam. It also covers the Paypal scam that was described earlier in this thread, even if not the Sorceror scam. The business of contesting payments on other grounds was introduced for credit cards, I think because they are so easy to misuse. I do not like the idea of a service like Paypal tayking away these additional rights (or forbidding you to exercise them, which is essentially the same thing) - on the Net, credit cards are even easier to misuse... That said, if you have been defrauded on a credit card transaction, the credit card company is jointly liable with the seller, and ought to help you recover the money. OK, that's my bit. I'll shut up now... Philip. ********************************************************************** This message and any attachments are confidential and should only be read by those to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact us, delete the message from your computer and destroy any copies. Any distribution or copying without our prior permission is prohibited. Internet communications are not always secure and therefore the PowerGen Group does not accept legal responsibility for this message. The recipient is responsible for verifying its authenticity before acting on the contents. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the PowerGen Group. Power Technology: Telephone +44 (0) 115 936 2000 Fax +44 (0) 115 936 2711 E-mail techinfo(a)powertech.co.uk www http://www.powertech.co.uk PowerGen UK plc Registered Office: 53 New Broad Street London EC2M 1SL Registered in England and Wales No: 2366970 **********************************************************************

23 years, 11 months

Goodwill Computerworks Museum Pictures

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> A few systems they asked me to find out more details on: > > http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-008F.JPG > > "Zilog Z-80 Computer System" (or maybe it said "Development System") - > anybody know any more details about this box? The guy @ GWCW said all > he could find was references to the chip itself. The development OS was called either "REO" or "RIO", IIRC. I used to work for a firm that had one plus all the docs. They're still in business, they may still have the stuff. I'll check when I can. -dq

23 years, 11 months

Goodwill Computerworks Museum Pictures

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I just got back from the Goodwill Computerworks mentioned a couple of posts ago (its only about 1.5 miles from my house), and I took four disks full of pictures of the "Museum" with my FD-51 Mavica digital cam. Not the GREATEST pics (they're only 640x480), but you can see whats there. They wont sell the EL94 to me for any price; I offered them $1K cash on the spot. 8-( So, my search goes on. The Cray: http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-001F.JPG http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-002F.JPG http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-003F.JPG http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-004F.JPG http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-005F.JPG Unfortunately, the front cover plate wasnt donated with the machine, what they got was what you see here. A few systems they asked me to find out more details on: http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-008F.JPG "Zilog Z-80 Computer System" (or maybe it said "Development System") - anybody know any more details about this box? The guy @ GWCW said all he could find was references to the chip itself. http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-013F.JPG and http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-014F.JPG System labeled "ibex" ? They've got 2 or 3 of these, a couple still in the original boxes. The other coolest thing I saw (other than the Cray): http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk2/MVC-027F.JPG http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk2/MVC-028F.JPG A Sega Saturn *development system*. Oooh. Anyway, enjoy. Bill -- +-------------------\ /-----------------+ | Bill Bradford | www.sunhelp.org | | mrbill(a)mrbill.net | www.decvax.org | | Austin, Texas USA | www.pdp11.org | +-------------------/ \-----------------+

23 years, 11 months

sad auction story AND On being ripped off AND sad auction story #2

by r.stek＠snet.net

Interestingly enough I was one of the bidders for the Sorcerer who lost out to Jim (I was on vacation and didn't have my "regular" access to eBay, etc.), so there but for the grace of God go I.... (and I only lost out by a few bucks, too!) On 8-11 I won a bid for a used HP 360lx (payment was paypal only - in retrospect, the first clue. The second was that this was an eBay newbie with 0 feedback). Since I had been monitoring the bid closely I knew I had won and did not wait for the email from eBay stating "Congrats ... contact each other, etc.") The seller's id was an obvious email address (jl_06_02(a)yahoo.com) and I went directly to paypal, found that the seller did have that email address registered with them, so I sent off the winning bid plus the requested $5 shipping. The paypal account was an "unverified" account (i.e., paypal had not yet received a bank account number for direct deposit, rather they would issue a paypal check to the account holder). As I usually do, I then verified by looking at the history that (1)indeed my credit card had been charged, and that (2) notification of payment had been sent to jl_06_02(a)yahoo.com. Fine, so far. Later the next day I received from paypal a "request for payment" from jl; the amount was just for the winning bid and did not include the $5 shipping. I figured that ol' jl hadn't read his email yet to see the confirmation from paypal that I had already paid. So I therefore replied to jl with a cut n' pasted copy of the duplicate confirmation I had received via email from paypal which stated that the amount of the bid plus $5 had been paid. I also went to paypal.com and saw his request in my account, so I cancelled it; my original payment transactions were still there. Later I received an email from jl (same email address as we had started off with) saying "What? You were supposed to pay my request." I then emailed a reply back explaining more clearly what had happened, and requesting that jl check again with paypal and he would see that the transaction had already gone through, and to get back to me if there were any problems. On 8-14 I emailed jl again, requesting an update on what had happened: did he get the money, was he shipping the package, etc. Later in the day I get a message back from the yahoo email server stating that the message could not be delivered. Now I began to get worried. I logged into yahoo and did a search for jl_06_02 - the search came back empty. I logged onto eBay into their dispute resolution section, and giving my logon and pwd and the item # (404256646 for those nosey enough to look for themselves), I was able to obtain the "real" name, address, and phone # of jl_06_02(a)yahoo.com with instructions to contact the person directly before claiming fraud. I placed a phone call to said # and eventually spoke to a nice lady who denied offering the item for bid, and stated that she indeed had just recently become an ebay member but that her email address was different, but that her street address, name (was Jxxx Lxxxxx) and phone number were correct. She also became concerned that someone was using her name and # this way, and denied being contacted by paypal. I also went back to paypal to review my history again. The first item - the charge to my credit card was still there and complete (and I also verified with my cc company that a charge had been made), but the other two transactions - the receipt of payment to jl and the cancellation of jl's request - no longer had valid links to the information. Instead I got an error message "internal server error" rather than the confirmations I had seen a day or two previously! Oh what a tangle web we weave.... I both emailed and called paypal who told me that their fraud unit would contact me. I emailed both eBay and yahoo - neither of which has responded yet (other than ebay keeping track of the dispute resolution process). I just asked yahoo to confirm that they recently had a member with that email address, though I did also explain the entire situation. I now send out a call for rank amateur speculation from the members of this list. My current theory is that someone at paypal, acting alone or in concert with someone at eBay may be trying some fraudulent scheme - that is based solely on the "internal server error" because immediately after the transaction, the information was there. Who would have a better chance of access to PayPal transactions other than someone at PayPal? Either someone at eBay or one of the real Jxxx Lxxxxx's 3 previous ebay transactions would have access to her real name, address and phone number - the same way I did. Anyone wishing to posit a more benign explanation is free to do so. (One of my favorite sayings, however, is "never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.") (BTW, I am on digest, so I won't see any responses until after the next digest unless you cc me.) Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

23 years, 11 months

Apple Recall of powerbooks

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > > Not ten year old yet but urgent... > > Seens like Apple is actively trying to eradicate the powerbooks 5300 and > > 190. > > What CPU does the 5300/190 have in it? What were the issues? The 190 is a 68040; the 5300 is a PowerPC (601) chip. -dq

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