On August 21, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
> > Not ten year old yet but urgent...
> > Seens like Apple is actively trying to eradicate the powerbooks 5300 and
> > 190.
>
> What CPU does the 5300/190 have in it? What were the issues?
My 5300c has a PPC603e/100. It has no issues that I'm aware of.
Not sure what others have experienced.
-Dave McGuire
In a message dated Mon, 21 Aug 2000 1:26:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu> writes:
<< > Anybody in the SF bay area who would like some PCJrs? PS/2s? Don't make
> me bring a big pile of stuff to VCF!
I have a copy of the original King's Quest here that's dying for a PCjr
to run on, but I don't know too much about them to be a good PCjr shepherd.
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I wouldnt mind another pcjr if it was the standard model. the enhanced model had the disk drive, and the standard model only had 64k and the two cart ports. I've got a good stash of pcjr stuff myself, including one equipped with a hard drive and 640k.
If you are planning to exhibit at VCF 4.0, now is the time to register!
There's only a little over a month left to plan your exhibit.
Please register at the following address:
http://www.vintage.org/2000/exhibit.html
Exhibitors receive a free special edition Exhibitor t-shirt with their
paid admission.
Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger
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Looking for a six in a pile of nines...
VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1
San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California
See http://www.vintage.org for details!
I'm guessing from the original poster's address that it may be somewhere in
Nebraska...
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> From: John Foust[SMTP:jfoust@threedee.com]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 12:22 PM
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: PDP 11/23 Available
>
> At 10:14 AM 8/21/00 -0500, Bill Richman wrote:
> >I just got a call from a gentleman I spoke to some time back who works
> >at a public television station.
>
> Location, location, location!
>
> - John
>
At 11:38 AM 8/21/00 -0400, Douglas Quebbeman wrote:
>The development OS was called either "REO" or "RIO", IIRC. I used to
>work for a firm that had one plus all the docs. They're still in
>business, they may still have the stuff. I'll check when I can.
I've got a similar paint-scheme but different box
Zilog MCZ Z-80 development system, and it runs RIO.
- John
>> >> What a stupid concept!
>> >
>> >Almost as stupid as sending a check, ... or a money order, ... or a
>> >cashiers check. Hey, why buy anything since there are always risks
>> >involved.
>>
>> Yes, but unlike paypal, you can still dispute a payment using the
>> other methods and still be able to use them. What paypal does with
>> that requirement is remove any recourse a person has...
>
> Paypal is a means of payment just like a money order or cashiers check. It
> is not in the business of arbitration. The means of payment is separate from
> the transaction itself ... as it should be. This type of transaction gone
> bad is probably something Yahoo should get involved with. If you mail off a
> check to someone and it appears that fraud is involved, you don't really
> think the bank will get involved do you?
On the contrary, if I say to the bank, "I think that cheque number 1203 was
cashed fraudulently", I expect them to dig out the cheque and find out what
account it was paid into, and if it is not in the name of the person I wrote on
the cheque, to find out by whose signature it was endorsed, and help me
determine whether the payee really was the person who endorsed it. Etc. This
is at least equivalent to Paypal's new terms as posted by Sellam. It also
covers the Paypal scam that was described earlier in this thread, even if not
the Sorceror scam.
The business of contesting payments on other grounds was introduced for credit
cards, I think because they are so easy to misuse. I do not like the idea of a
service like Paypal tayking away these additional rights (or forbidding you to
exercise them, which is essentially the same thing) - on the Net, credit cards
are even easier to misuse...
That said, if you have been defrauded on a credit card transaction, the credit
card company is jointly liable with the seller, and ought to help you recover
the money.
OK, that's my bit. I'll shut up now...
Philip.
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> A few systems they asked me to find out more details on:
>
> http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-008F.JPG
>
> "Zilog Z-80 Computer System" (or maybe it said "Development System") -
> anybody know any more details about this box? The guy @ GWCW said all
> he could find was references to the chip itself.
The development OS was called either "REO" or "RIO", IIRC. I used to
work for a firm that had one plus all the docs. They're still in
business, they may still have the stuff. I'll check when I can.
-dq
Interestingly enough I was one of the bidders for the Sorcerer who lost out
to Jim (I was on vacation and didn't have my "regular" access to eBay,
etc.), so there but for the grace of God go I.... (and I only lost out by a
few bucks, too!)
On 8-11 I won a bid for a used HP 360lx (payment was paypal only - in
retrospect, the first clue. The second was that this was an eBay newbie
with 0 feedback). Since I had been monitoring the bid closely I knew I had
won and did not wait for the email from eBay stating "Congrats ... contact
each other, etc.") The seller's id was an obvious email address
(jl_06_02(a)yahoo.com) and I went directly to paypal, found that the seller
did have that email address registered with them, so I sent off the winning
bid plus the requested $5 shipping. The paypal account was an "unverified"
account (i.e., paypal had not yet received a bank account number for direct
deposit, rather they would issue a paypal check to the account holder). As
I usually do, I then verified by looking at the history that (1)indeed my
credit card had been charged, and that (2) notification of payment had been
sent to jl_06_02(a)yahoo.com. Fine, so far.
Later the next day I received from paypal a "request for payment" from jl;
the amount was just for the winning bid and did not include the $5 shipping.
I figured that ol' jl hadn't read his email yet to see the confirmation from
paypal that I had already paid. So I therefore replied to jl with a cut n'
pasted copy of the duplicate confirmation I had received via email from
paypal which stated that the amount of the bid plus $5 had been paid. I
also went to paypal.com and saw his request in my account, so I cancelled
it; my original payment transactions were still there.
Later I received an email from jl (same email address as we had started off
with) saying "What? You were supposed to pay my request." I then emailed a
reply back explaining more clearly what had happened, and requesting that jl
check again with paypal and he would see that the transaction had already
gone through, and to get back to me if there were any problems.
On 8-14 I emailed jl again, requesting an update on what had happened: did
he get the money, was he shipping the package, etc. Later in the day I get
a message back from the yahoo email server stating that the message could
not be delivered. Now I began to get worried. I logged into yahoo and did
a search for jl_06_02 - the search came back empty. I logged onto eBay
into their dispute resolution section, and giving my logon and pwd and the
item # (404256646 for those nosey enough to look for themselves), I was able
to obtain the "real" name, address, and phone # of jl_06_02(a)yahoo.com with
instructions to contact the person directly before claiming fraud.
I placed a phone call to said # and eventually spoke to a nice lady who
denied offering the item for bid, and stated that she indeed had just
recently become an ebay member but that her email address was different, but
that her street address, name (was Jxxx Lxxxxx) and phone number were
correct. She also became concerned that someone was using her name and #
this way, and denied being contacted by paypal.
I also went back to paypal to review my history again. The first item - the
charge to my credit card was still there and complete (and I also verified
with my cc company that a charge had been made), but the other two
transactions - the receipt of payment to jl and the cancellation of jl's
request - no longer had valid links to the information. Instead I got an
error message "internal server error" rather than the confirmations I had
seen a day or two previously!
Oh what a tangle web we weave....
I both emailed and called paypal who told me that their fraud unit would
contact me. I emailed both eBay and yahoo - neither of which has responded
yet (other than ebay keeping track of the dispute resolution process). I
just asked yahoo to confirm that they recently had a member with that email
address, though I did also explain the entire situation.
I now send out a call for rank amateur speculation from the members of this
list. My current theory is that someone at paypal, acting alone or in
concert with someone at eBay may be trying some fraudulent scheme - that is
based solely on the "internal server error" because immediately after the
transaction, the information was there. Who would have a better chance of
access to PayPal transactions other than someone at PayPal? Either someone
at eBay or one of the real Jxxx Lxxxxx's 3 previous ebay transactions would
have access to her real name, address and phone number - the same way I did.
Anyone wishing to posit a more benign explanation is free to do so. (One of
my favorite sayings, however, is "never attribute to malice that which can
be explained by incompetence.")
(BTW, I am on digest, so I won't see any responses until after the next
digest unless you cc me.)
Bob Stek
Saver of Lost Sols
> [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...]
> > Not ten year old yet but urgent...
> > Seens like Apple is actively trying to eradicate the powerbooks 5300 and
> > 190.
>
> What CPU does the 5300/190 have in it? What were the issues?
The 190 is a 68040; the 5300 is a PowerPC (601) chip.
-dq