test-drb February 2000

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by west＠tseinc.com

And - just so folks know... I didn't intentionally change the way the reply-to address works, even though I prefer the new method. When I set up the list I just installed a separate copy of majordomo "straight out of the box". We host all our customer lists with majordomo, primarily because majordomo is virtually the de-facto standard for internet mailing lists world-wide. Yes, there are other mailing list server packages, but none seem to have the installed base of majordomo. The default installation of majordomo does what - you guessed it - reply-to is NOT munged. Gee - I wonder why the author of majordomo did that. Hum... I installed the standard default configuration, did some testing, and started it back up. I'm so used to mailing lists having the reply-to set to the original poster it really didn't dawn on me that classiccmp was set differently although I knew that full well. The change was not intentional. After the first post or two I saw about this topic I was going to change it to work like the old list because obviously that's how it WAS set up. Then I saw the lively discussion and thought perhaps its better to have everyone get their opinions in and let any changes be determined without me. As you might infer from previous posts, I don't want to be making any changes on my own.... Regards, Jay West

24 years, 5 months

regarding the reply address on the list....INTERESTING

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

First of all, "Thanks!" to Jay for getting the list going again. The withdrawal symptoms are beginning to wear off now :-) On Feb 2, 23:56, DASTAR COM wrote: > On Wed, 2 Feb 2000, Jay West wrote: > > > I've always wondered why the list was set up the way it was. > Because: > > b) who the hell wants to have to read the same message TWICE? (once from > the list and once from the replier) Sellam has a point here; it is considered bad netiquette to do that, and that's why newsreaders, for example, won't get the GNSA if they allow a followup posting to also be emailed to the author automatically. However, this isn't usenet, and it's easy in most mailers to remove the extra address. I hope people do so, and I hope they'll also forgive me when I forget :-) > c) it's an incredible pain in the ass having to edit the reply-to > addresses for every damn message you reply to Virtually all mailers have a "reply all" function. I can think of just one exception, and that's a mailer intended as a local delivery agent, not a mail user agent. > Besides, despite what the aforementioned article says, the previous list > reply-to mechanism was working, and working well. The article is just a > masturbatory entreaty for one persons personal preferences, and does not > really take into account convenience for the overall list. No, it isn't. There are good reasons for the "Reply-to:" header to override the "From:" address, where the "From:" address is not valid or correct for incoming mail. That's more common than many people think. If you use "Reply-to:" for list redirection, that breaks, and irrevocably removes the correct address for replies to the author. Although old habits die hard, and it will take a little getting used to, I prefer the new method. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

24 years, 5 months

FW: AS/400 questions...

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

OK, welcome back everyone.... I'm not sure if this email made it to the old list before it was stopped, so I'm resending (in other words, sorry if you've seen it twice!!) >Technically this shouldn't quite make the list (the machine's of 1991 vintage >apparently), but my work's throwing out an old AS/400 - I know nothing at all >about these machines but if it's getting slung then I may as well grab it and >take a look at the thing... > >Model number is 9404, big tower-style case, 8" floppy and (I believe) 150MB >QIC tape drive. > >It's got a console/terminal of some sort which is apparently dead (I haven't >looked at the cabling - can I wire up just about anything as a console or do >they use some strange protocol / signal levels?). Nobody knows how much disk >or memory it has in it and it hasn't been powered up in years. There's a box >of assorted junk with it, cables, keyboard etc. and someone said there's a >load of tapes for it too... > >So, initial questions: > >Does anyone have any handy web links to AS/400 stuff so I can get some more >information on this thing? (and AS/400s in general) > And does anyone know how hard OS install media is to get hold of from >IBM? It may be that someone here has the tapes (or whatever) but I'm not sure >(I'll try to hunt them out later). I don't know if I can be bothered >transporting it home when I don't even know if it works and possibly don't >have installation media if the system needs rebuilding!! > >cheers > >Jules >

24 years, 5 months

Major gripe

by dastar＠siconic.com

Ok, major gripe. With the old software, I could stay subscribed to the list to send messages, but could SET POSTPONE CLASSICCMP to effectively turn the messages off. There doesn't seem to be a way to do this with majordomo. I'll stay subscribed for now (so I can get some replies on this) but if I have to unsubscribe then I hope there is an easy mechanism for me to continue to post messages to the list without having to be subscribed. If not, I don't think I'll be passing on any messages from people coming to me with old hardware wanting to find new homes for it. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF East? VCF Europe!? YOU BETCHA!! Stay tuned for more information or contact me to find out how you can participate http://www.vintage.org

24 years, 5 months

regarding the reply address on the list....INTERESTING

by mbg＠world.std.com

>a) it makes it more of a BBS, with all messages being contributed to the > public good by default instead of private threads being spawned off Which is still accomplished when someone replies to all >b) who the hell wants to have to read the same message TWICE? (once from > the list and once from the replier) Hey, these are computers! Certainly there has to be some way of telling it to send to the list rather than the list *and* the author (who is on the list). >c) it's an incredible pain in the ass having to edit the reply-to > addresses for every damn message you reply to And it is more of a pain having to find the author name and then do cut and paste to send to them specifically... some of us don't have mail readers which even allow us to change the To: or CC: field (or anything other than the message) once we're typing the message... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

24 years, 5 months

PDP8/S then GRI-909 and the perhaps a british machine called the Molecular?

by kevinm＠xpuppy.freeserve.co.uk

Many years ago I worked on a minicomputer range manufactured in the UK. The series was the Molecular 18 sold by BCL Ltd. Having an interest in this machine, and in PDP8 machines, I have been looking for links between the two. (The two machines have quite a few similarities) In an interview, Saul Dinman (who designed the PDP8/S) talks about a later design called the GRI-909. Saul had left DEC at this stage I believe. The company that manufactured the early Molecular 18 machines in the UK was Allied Business Computers, who also produced a machine called the GRI-99. This all may be coincidence and fanciful, but does any one have any information of the GRI range of machines? (For more info on the Molecular 18, see www.classiccomputing.co.uk) Kevin Murrell UK

24 years, 5 months

regarding the reply address on the list.... (fwd)

by mbg＠world.std.com

I vote for the new way as well... it is now trivial for me to respond to either the author of a message or the list itself. Before, I had to do a cut and paste of the author's name in order to send mail to them... Yes, there will be occasions in which people send to an author when they meant the list, but heck, we've already had that in reverse... and for some messages it is most definitely more embarrassing to have them go to the list... So please keep it the new way... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

24 years, 5 months

Yeah Baby! VAX 4000/300 questions

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Boy, is it glad to have this resource back! I received a VAX 4000/300 and have been integrating it into my VAX herd but it has the annoying tendency to _always_ ask for my language preference on power on. I've done the 'set language' and I've tried the dial selector in all three positions but no joy. The other thing this VAX came with was a "remote service console" or some such. It looks like a powered A/B switch except that you switch it with the VAX key, it has two sets of three push buttons and four DB25 connectors on the back. Can anyone tell me how to use this thing? --Chuck

24 years, 5 months

regarding the reply address on the list.... (fwd)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- "David C. Jenner" <djenner(a)halcyon.com> wrote: > I vote for the new way. It's now trivial to > reply either to the sender alone, the sender > and the list, or the list alone. > > With a decent mailer each of these options is > now one click. I don't mind the new way (I use a web-based mail interface due to all the attachments I get from another list and can click "Reply" or "Reply All"), but how are the posters of articles going to feel about receiving a response twice to their postings, once direct and once via the list? If people don't mind, I don't mind either. It was always extra work to reply to an individual with the old scheme. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

24 years, 5 months

Welcome Back! and Pro 350's

by jpl15＠netcom.com

Very Big Welcome Back to the List... I was just starting to not be able to control my withdrawal symptoms. Many Many thanks to Jay and Derek for keeping this alive! While the List was sleeping, I was given two DEC Pro 350's, with a huge box of software and docs. I have one up and running now, using a VR241 RGB color display. (I have yet to try the other unit.) I have about 20 grey DEC slipcover-type software packages, with 14 or so being the communications set, but I also have the Install and Maintenance, both Disk systems, Basic, Prose, and a third-party database application builder called RDM by Interactive Technology Inc. (2 copies of this). All of the slipcases contain diskettes, and most are still unopened internally. Also in the load was the Technical manual and the engineering printsets. Additionally there is a Floating Point adapter in it's box... the maintenance program informs me that the unit I have running contains one already, and 768 KW of RAM to go with the 5-meg Hard Drive. I have no idea what this model must have cost in 1982 when it was new, with 8-of-256 colors and as slow as it is... but it sure is fascinating to see how far we've come. Cheers John

24 years, 5 months

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test-drb February 2000