Hmmmm... seems to me, running Pine as I do, that the "reply to"
issue, in my particular case, breaks down to laziness on my part:
Two keystrokes to set up a reply vs. replacing the Original Sender's
name with the list name. And I'm sure I could automate it but... why?
If I had my druthers, I'd vote for the "old" way, however it's
almost a non-issue with me, and it even provides for a little
'breathing room' right before I blast off a piquant reply that, in
the fulness of time, may or may not have been a little rash.
NOW, FURTHERMORE:
In all this discussion of the New Classiccmp regime... I would
like to weigh in with Allison on the issue of HTML and Binary
attachments propagated to this List.
I belong to 6 other lists besides this one, and four have some kind
of HTML filtering and binaries-rejectors. I dislike, and delete
unread, HTML stuff, because this is an ASCII list and I engage it
with an ASCII mailreader. Yes, I have PPP accounts and Netscrape and
all the rest, but my central (and voluminous) corespondence is
carried on Pine under a Unix shell account, and I ain't changin' it.
[I offer Kevin Murrel's post above as a non-rancorous example]
IMHO, it does little or no good to try and 'police' the issue
case-by-case, due to the influx of new members and existing members
forgetting or not caring. Most folk here are pretty sensitive to
this, I have found, once made aware that HTML is displayed in it's
raw state for many of Us. And I think it's much prettier cooked. It
does seem to be a losing battle in the long run.
If this instance of majordomo has such filters, I, for one, would
like to see them energized....
Cheers
John
I received a number of private emails regarding the plans for the Simon
relay computer, and I have sent out a couple of CDs with the scans of the
article. Thanks to those of you who had suggestions for shringing down the
file size. The total size runs about 270Mb on the TIFF scans sent out on CD
(tranlates to about 8 MB per page.) I don't have software tools to try out
some of the compression schemes so I will leave them as is for now. At this
point, I am slowly looking for and acquiring the parts to build the thing.
It looks like it would be a real trip to build and operate a computer
capable of handling a 5 bit number :).
I, too, dislike HTML and RTF mail. I usually read all of
my e-mail lists in digest form (which I am waiting to have
activated for this list...), which means HTML letters cannot
easily be deleted (a small price to pay). Most lists I am on
filter those out at the server end. At the same time, any time
you get a new user, you usually have to be patient and tell them
how to turn off that feature if they are Netscape or IE user.
But that isn't the only issue....
More serious, however, is that user may not be in full control
over the turning off of that feature. The ISP and/or the
organzation you work for may have control over the form that
mail goes out onto the Internet. A good instance is the
college I work for, and others that depend upon Microsoft
Exchange Servers (regardless of the client end). Normally in
X.400 protocol, when mail does go out the SMTP pipeline (such as
to this list) the mail still goes out in HTML. My computer center
apparently doesn't know how to turn that off (or will not do it),
although I've asked them many times. They, like Microsoft, are
counting on the users at the other end being individuals using
either a browser interface or an Exchange-compatible client,
both which will know how to deal with non-text files.
So it becomes an institutional problem, out of control of the
user. I get around it because I also have access to a Unix box,
which is what I use for all e-mail list interactions. Expect this
type of problem to happen more and more into the future
as more users come online with non-Text based e-mail clients.
Me and you folks will be unfortunately the exception.
As a sidebar, I can take the "reply to" feature either way -- as
a digest user for all my e-mail lists, I always have to cut-and-
paste my address and subject lines (or retype them), as a reply
would go only to the list (and never to the user), plus the subject
line would be all wrong (Re: Digest 1002...; not to forget that I
will have Mbytes of reply text to edit each time) My recommendation
would be to follow whatever the current RFC standard is -- after all, the
Internet functions only because people have adopted protocols.
My two cents worth...
Regards, Kevin Anderson
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Kevin L. Anderson Ph.D., Geography Department, Augustana College
Rock Island, Illinois 61201-2296, USA phone: (309) 794-7325
e-mail: kla(a)helios.augustana.edu -or- gganderson(a)augustana.edu
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Opinions expressed here are my own and do not represent
the administration of Augustana College.
Rats...just been caught by the new reply mechanism. Grrr
"Zane H. Healy" wrote:
>
> >And while we are on the topic of the list server, is it possible to have a
> >common date stamp put on all messages that are sent out from the listserver?
> >One of the major pains I have is when messages come in from different time
> >zones, and this ^%$^&$ software (Netscape Mail) sorts the damn stuff by date
> >without the option of not sorting. Among other reasons, a common date stamp
> >makes it FAR easier to keep track of who might be responding to something
> >first.
>
> Oh, now that would be SERIOUSLY COOL! I'm using Eudora and sort stuff by
> date also. Drives me crazy when people have the clock on their computer
> *seriously* off.
>
> Although, thankfully doesn't sound like I've as much trouble as Netscape
> Mail causes.
I'd be surprised if Eudora used a different method of determining the
date and time for sorting purposes than Netscape does. Your message,
for example, was apparently sent at 00:44:48 -0800, and displays on my
screen as 08:44, because I'm on GMT (and using Netscape Messenger). So,
we're both reliant on senders having their clocks and timezones set
correctly.
I'd object to some central server forging the best indication you've got
of how far along a conversation had got at the time I replied.
Ok, Hans Franke informs me that VCF Europe in Munich, Germany, is set for
April 29th and 30th!
More details to follow as I get them. The VCF website will be updated
as time permits.
A VCF Los Angeles is being considered, as well as a VCF East. And as
always, VCF 4.0 will be held somewhere in the Silicon Valley sometime in
the Fall.
VCF: Coming to a town near you! It's like the circus, but better (we
don't have any stupid clowns).
Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Looking for a six in a pile of nines...
VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany
VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*)
VCF East: Planning in Progress
See http://www.vintage.org for details!
> I'm not saying any of this to say how it should be set up. That's not my
> call. I'm just saying what I've typically seen on other lists. If Derek
> wants it changed to the old method, he can do it or he can call me to do it.
>
> I personally prefer the new way, but my vote doesn't count! :)
>
> Jay West
I personally vote for the old way! I'm on quite a few different ML's and
only the DECnet/Linux one does it this way. It's more of a pain to have to
get the correct TO: with it set this way that the old way! Especially if
I'm using 'elm', like right now, since I either have to forward it to the
ML, or remember to chage the TO: after I'm done typing the message.
Zane
Tracked it down; Wayne is no longer with them. They are going to
double-check, but it sounds like I may be driving up there to get it this
weekend.. ;-) Thanks! (On a sad note, the engineer said they "threw away
an Altair" before he found out about it. I was ready to go excavate in the
dump, but he said that was like 10 years ago. *sigh)
>I was advised by a non-classiccmp'er yesterday that a PDP-11 type system in
>some kind of rack is being decomissioned and is available.
>
>Contact Wayne Nelson of SDPTV in Vermillion, South Dakota - quickly
>
>That's all the contact info I currently have.
>
>Regards,
>
>Jay West
>
>
Bill Richman
incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r
(Home of the COSMAC Elf
microcomputer simulator!)
I was advised by a non-classiccmp'er yesterday that a PDP-11 type system in
some kind of rack is being decomissioned and is available.
Contact Wayne Nelson of SDPTV in Vermillion, South Dakota - quickly
That's all the contact info I currently have.
Regards,
Jay West
Nice to have the list back. I have to use the reply to all and edit the
individual out of the send to box but I don't mind.
I know the list doesn't like ePay so I hope I don't start a flame war.
I'm dumping S100 cards and HP 98XX interfaces there now. Not all the time do
things bring high prices. I just sold a HP 9820 interface for under $10. Most
of the interfaces and cards are running between $10 and $15 including an
original Cromemco HD. This is much easier for me than having to haggle over
prices.
If you are interested my sellers name is 'innfosale'. Use ebay's seller
search to find my items. Most are in vintage computer hardware with some in
mainframes. There will be more in the future.
I have been suffering withdrawals over not having the list also.
Many thanks for the list and ALL who comment.
Paxton
Portland, OR, USA
PS It is a lot of fun to be on late at night and see comments come in from
around the world.
