test-drb October 2000

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184 participants
568 discussions

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I was trying to find the order number for the OpenVMS V7.2-1/Alpha update, and came across the following little tidbit. With all the VMS traffic here the last few days I thought a few people might enjoy this. I'm sure a lot of you have seen this before. BTW, does anyone have the order number for the OpenVMS V7.2-1/Alpha update? I still can't find it. Zane You know you're a VMS bigot when: You think case sensitivity is some ones idea of an April Fools joke You keep trying to use the EDT keypad in Word. You know why the SHOW SYSTEM display had to have the "system uptime" field increased beyond 999 days. You have the complete VMS docset on display in your living room. Your mail file doesn't grow to the size of the national debt. You expect upper AND lower case to work the same way You wish your car was as reliable as your computer You keep wanting Digital to produce "Visual DCL" You don't think about the Milky Way when you hear the word "Galaxy" You travel to Nashua twice a year, to get the newest fashion in T-shirts and jackets You know where NT stores its data if they really need it to be saved You know what Wes Melling was talking about, saying: "When you absolutely can't tolerate down-time" If you think that the word "legacy" refers to the next generation of Lego toys that your kids want. You remember the VAXworks group PATCH is your favorite text editor You can cite chapter and verse in the docset You know what the bars on the wall in front of ZKO spell The first thing you think of when you see a dollar sign isn't money You refer to Unix as the only commercially available computer virus When you know that the console sequence to force quorum recalculation without crashing the cluster. When your Exchange mail is set to auto-forward to STAR When you know the boot file sequences to make an efficient TU58 console boot tape. You insist on typing SET DEF [-] at your PC's DOS prompt Your LOGIN.COM exceeds 200 block and is on its thousand-something version Your LOGIN.COM file contains its own debugging language Your LOGIN.COM is written in Macro When you need to discipline the kids at home, you refer to it as CMKRNL time You think that "grep, awk, yacc" sounds like a death rattle When you hear ICBM's you don't think of nuclear warfare You know what happened November 17, 1858 You wonder why folks spend extra for a BACKUP tool You feel like you're using a crayon when you're working on a PC You still have a VAX architecture manual You can retrieve a file from another system with a one-line command instead of running a program, logging into the remote systems, and getting the file. None of your hardware uses PCI You tend to type a dollar sign in front of most verbs You think EXCHANGE is an OpenVMS utility for manipulating mass storage volumes You don't understand why e-mail needs to be in a format that uses half a megabyte of disk space for a one-page document. You maintain OpenVMS accounts on your workstation for coworkers who have migrated to PCs You think a form with one page of information should fit on your screen without scrolling You know what INSQTI means You know that fork queue is not an insult When you type $show dev d at the c:\> prompt and expect it to work You need a mouse with three buttons and the middle button is useful You turn 40 and tell friends that your are 28 hex A normal date is written as dd-mmm-yyyy You never saw the euphemism in "VAX Headroom" You expect all machine instruction to work left to right You can solve any problem with a TECO macro Your favorite "portable" language is TECO You see the movie Spawn and keep thinking about sub-processes You think Carl Sagen was wrong about "Galaxies" The only question about restoring a backup is finding it You believe a computer might handle more than one user at a time You feel Robert Frost was talking about quotas when he said: "Good fences make good neighbors" You presume that calling between languages "just works" You do not expect the previous version of your file to be destroyed by the new one You still measure performance in VUPS You understand that 'open' is a silent prefix You know there is more to bliss than ignorance You know RMS does not mean 'root mean square' The concept of a blue screen of death is foreign to you You think that a command line interface is better than a GUI You're surprised to find out that "cluster" is a new concept You have forgotten how to reboot because your system's been up so long You reboot your desktop station once every 15 months (and only because a tornado caused a city-wide power blackout) You don't have to reboot your workstation daily You know you can find out how to use a command by typing help and get it You use your VMS system to backup important files from your PC You don't need the UNIX for Dummies and Windows for Dummies to perform simple functions You want nothing to do with eunuchs You choke on your coffee when someone tells you Microsoft does clusters You Laugh when someone tells you they are certified for PC systems programming. You use SDA as your CLI Your debuger is Delta or xdelta You have no difficulties with using Debug in six windows on a VT100 You know for sure that you will never meet a TPU macro virus You really can't think of anything Bill Gates actually invented The most useful app on your PC is Telnet. the second most useful app on you PC is the CD player You never thought I was that bright to begin with. You know why the VMS development machine is named STAR You are still seeking "Compose Character" key on your PC keyword You answer 52.444 when someone asks your address You can talk about clusters with over 10 nodes You have to drive your car to ready the other Cluster nodes You have used patch/abs to patch an Alpha image and it worked The Pacific Northwest is still best known for its trees. You know what PMDF stands for You don't exit your editor when you leave for a two week vacation You actually expect your mail to work You don't follow up an email with a phone call and a fax You think that Microsoft is a new type of softserve ice cream You see no reason at all for a _minimum_ password lifetime. You know that the kernel is part of the operating system not Mr. Sanders first name You can use threads for more than sewing You can convert your phone number to hex You can use SDML You know what SDML stands for

23 years, 9 months

Console Servers (was: cluster stuff [was Re: Changing lo)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> >Zane writes: >> Have you looked into doing Reverse LAT with a DECserver? I've heard it's >> possible, but haven't tried. Don't think it's quite what you want anyway. > >I've got several DECserver 200/MC boxes available for sale or trade. No >idea if they do reverse LAT (or, for that matter, normal forward LAT). the do both with the right host software. They were _the_ LAT box for serial lines via Eithernet. Allison

23 years, 9 months

cluster stuff [was Re: Changing logicals on VMS?]

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 1:48 PM Subject: cluster stuff [was Re: Changing logicals on VMS?] >At 11:13 AM 10/3/00 -0700, you wrote: >>Actually this is more or less the solution I was thinking of (using a >>vax) if I couldn't find an off the shelf solution. Is there any console >>server software for VMS? > >There isn't a VMS solution but that other OS (NetBSD) ... Wasnt Unicenter (polycenter?))a vax console product? I know there was a common console product to allow single point management. Allison

23 years, 9 months

You might be a VMS Bigot if.....

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Amusingly, that website of those lawyers currently says "MoFo among Working Mother Top 100" or something like that.. heh Will J _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

23 years, 9 months

OSI model 600 find

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

It's been a while since I have picked-up any _digital_ computers, but I just could not resist this. I found someone selling a Ohio Scientific Model 600 on eBay, and when I went to check was it sold for, I discovered that no one wanted to bid the $20 minimum bid. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=37585 7886 So I asked for a picture of the computer to make sure it wasn't just a baggie full of spare parts. http://www.best.com/~dcoward/osi600.jpg I paid for it and it arrived today. There seems to be only one empty dip socket that looks like it should not be empty. It looks like the key caps for the numbers were removed on purpose. Without taking it apart, I can see one ROM labeled "BASIC 3", and two EPROMS labeled "BASIC 4 modified 12/21/81" and "SYN 600 MOD". I found one web site that also calls this a SuperBoard II. The main board says: "Ohio Scientific Model 600 CPU @1978 Rev B" The large daughter board says: "@1980 AARDVARK". And it contains a MC6821 PIA. The small daughter board contains three 2716s labeled "REV 94 I", "REV 94 II", and "REV 94 III". All in all it looks to be in very good condition, but powering this up is going to have to wait. My wife wants my current projects off the dinner table and the analog flight simulator and the paper tape punches out of the dining room. --Doug =================================================== Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com (work) Sr Software Engineer mranalog(a)home.com (home) Press Start Inc. http://www.pressstart.com Sunnyvale,CA Visit the new Analog Computer Museum and History Center at http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog ===================================================

23 years, 9 months

You might be a VMS Bigot if.....

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Real programmers use DCL and FORTRAN. I used to work for a large engineering firm which used VAXes and VT220's for everything. Mostly we used 11/750's and 11/780's for CAD/CAM. We tried PRO 350's and 380's for engineering applications. I originally programmed structural design of pipe hangers on a PRO 350. For word processing they purchased AT&T 6300's with 10MB HardCards to replace all of the typewriters. All of a sudden everybody could create a document and send it out. File copies were never created or lost. Some people used WordPerfect, MultiMate, WordStar, and IBM DisplayWrite 3. Fonts, margins, and layout all went crazy. How would you like to pay 4 million dollars for a set of Coal fired power plant manuals and end up with a mess? We standardized on IBM DisplayWrite 3 and I was given the task of capturing all of the printing and filing it. We used a MicroVAX II to drive Xerox 2700 laser printers on each floor. Every time you printed we captured and archived a copy. I then created a FORTRAN77 program on the VAX to translate EBCDIC IBM DisplayWrite3 documents to ASCII and then print them. We also included the ability to take HPGL plot files and scale them to fit into an area in a document. We also added special symbols, foreign characters and logos. Engineering companies only believe in FORTRAN. We had a bad experience with a programmer who wrote lots of code in "C" and then left. Most of my support time was spend proving that my software was not at fault when the PC's were not working, the network was hosed or the printer was out of paper. Computer viruses were not a problem, only game players, and wierd spell checkers. I still have my copies of the FORTRAN version of a word processor print spooling application. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

23 years, 9 months

Need a copy of TI TMS320C40 C Compiler

by rmeenaks＠olf.com

Hi, I just received a TI TMS320C40 DSP + Inmos T805 transputer TRAM module. Quite a neat board. Does anyone have a C compiler for it? I havent tried out GCC yet, but according to the manufacturer, it was specifically designed for TI C compiler... Ram

23 years, 9 months

Looking for ASR33 in SoCal

by chris＠routerguy.com

Hello. I need spare parts for my ASR 33 and/or looking for enough to refurb another unit. Preferably one now with the "internal" acoustic coupler modem. If you are in SoCal and have one, let me know. Chris Johnston chris(a)routerguy.com

23 years, 9 months

Apple I Auction

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Does anyone know what the selling price was for the Apple I at VCF4 this past weekend ? John Keys

23 years, 9 months

You might be a VMS Bigot if.....

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Will Jennings <xds_sigma7(a)hotmail.com> >Don't forget the main thing that UNIX needs... >Useful error messages! Ow come on compared to winders they are positively inspired even useful! Allison

23 years, 9 months

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test-drb October 2000