test-drb October 2000

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by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

Hehe - I've got another version of this on my wall behind me ATM and it has these extra lines: When you hear the word 'runoff' you don't think of water Your first reaction to a supposed problem is not to reboot the system You can complete a 10-hour EDT session without looking at the keypad but stare at the telephone to dial a number You don't think 'fubar' is obscene To you, the phrase 'NT CLUSTER' is humorous You kow that there's something fishy in the Pacific North-West AND IT SURE AIN'T SALMON. > -----Original Message----- > From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com [mailto:healyzh@aracnet.com] > Sent: 03 October 2000 21:36 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: You might be a VMS Bigot if..... > > > I was trying to find the order number for the OpenVMS > V7.2-1/Alpha update, > and came across the following little tidbit. With all the > VMS traffic here > the last few days I thought a few people might enjoy this. > I'm sure a lot > of you have seen this before.

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OFF-TOPIC Re: Re[4]: You might be a VMS Bigot if.....

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > The lack of so-called "vulgar" language in one's vocabulary demonstrates a > > fundamental lack of maturity. > > I would say that depends very heavily upon one's definition of the word > "mature". I can report, without regret, that I'm unlikely ever to be > "mature" by that definition - and I was born in 1962. > > (I will admit the caveat that a fear of using "vulgar" language, in the > *very rare* situations where it really is appropriate, is also not > necessarily healthy.) In both speech and writing, we're taught that we can use transitional phrases to help the flow. "Alternatively,", "On the other hand,", "As you might expect,", and so on.... Kind funny, Dad seemed to pick up that G-D this and M-F that were transitional phrases, rather than adjectives. This would have been understandable had he been a sailor, but he was an M.P. in the Army. As a small consolation, I always preferred to think that he was reaching for words when he was p-o'd instead of reaching for a club or a gun. Such language is referred to as "intemperate." But at what point does a lack of temper leave off, and righteous indignation begin? Now, without a doubt, when he was p-o'd at my brother and I, this was intemperate, as we could *never* have been guilty of anything that would lead him to "righteous indignation"... ;-) -dq

23 years, 9 months

Ziatech

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

Did these single board computers run some flavour of u**x? I was putting in a big Alpha Cluster at a very large aluminium manufacturer from Canada's local plant around 3 years ago and I'm sure they were using Ziatech kit to run the monitoring probes on all the potlines....they'll be pleased to hear they've gone bust! > -----Original Message----- > From: Marvin [mailto:marvin@rain.org] > Sent: 06 October 2000 16:45 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Ziatech > > > > Anyone familiar with Ziatech? I was just checking some back > email and found > a liquidation sale going on last May. They were located in > San Luis Obispo, > CA and IIRC made single board computers. >

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test message - please ignore

by jwest＠mppw.com

Test on new mail server. Please ignore (classiccmp) Jay West

23 years, 9 months

mac serial pinouts

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

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23 years, 9 months

VCF 4.0

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 THETechnoid(a)home.com wrote: > > > How can I get the VCF to hold it's event a bit closer to the East Coast > > than California? I wanted to go, but a 3500mile trek was out of the > > question. How about Montana or the Dakotas? > > Keep making noise. We started looking in to doing a VCF East this year > and it's been on my mind for the past couple years, but it's a lot of work > as you may imagine, and now that VCF Europe is in the Spring we have to > plan it either right after or right before (when the weather isn't too > terrible). > > Once I'm fully recovered from VCF 4.0 and have my day job project well > under way, then I'll start giving serious consideration to a VCF East. I > think 2001 will almost certainly see some sort of east coast VCF event. Cool! Hopefully further East Coast than St. Louis, tho... :-) -dq

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You might be a VMS Bigot if.....

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

Not round the dinner table with your parents it might not be (apart from my gf's :) but round here in the office we'd have to use a 5-cab PDP 11/35 as a swear box. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Ford [mailto:mikeford@socal.rr.com] > Sent: 06 October 2000 08:37 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Re[4]: You might be a VMS Bigot if..... > > > >The way I see it, it's supposedly an "adult" word. So if > you're an adult > >and don't use it on at least a regular basis, you have some > growing up to > >do. > > I don't want to shock you with an alien concept, but use of > vulgar language > isn't polite. > >

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OT : What is this Monitor

by lgwalker＠look.ca

Don't quite know where else to ask this, my apologies for the OT. I recently acquired an EZC m. sm483c monitor with a DB-9 socket ( sorry I've forgotten Tony D.'s correct designation) Since it was manufactured in Jun 98 it's unlikely to be an EGA. The company seems to be no longer in business and I could find little on it. EZC appears to be a company that made items for the vision- impaired so I expect this is some kind of high-definition monitor. It powers up OK but I don't want to try it on one of my EGA cards or similar 9-pin boxes lest the magic smoke escapes. Anyone with any info/suggestions ? ciao larry Reply to: lgwalker(a)look.ca

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VCF 4.0 Dr. Dobb's Vintage Computer Exhibition Awards

by vcf＠siconic.com

Here are the results of the 4th Annual Vintage Computer Festival Exhibition (sponsored by Dr. Dobb's Journal, http://www.ddj.com). Home-brew, Kit or Educational Computer 1st: Jim Willing, HERO Robot 2nd: Cameron Kaiser, Tomy Tutor 3rd: Larry Pezzolo, Lawrence Livermore Labs Microprocessor Trainer Manufactured Personal Computer - Pre-1981 1st: Wayne Smith, "Pre-PC IBM Desktop" 2nd: Jordan Ruderman, SOL-20 3rd: David Kavanaugh, IMSAI 8080 Manufactured Personal Computer - 1981 or After 1st: Simon Favre, IBM 3270 AT/GX 2nd: Rick Lehrbaum, Ampro Z-80 3rd: Pete Johnson, HP Integral PC Mini-computer or Larger System 1st: Dwight Elvey, Nicolet 1080 2nd: Chuck McManis, "Qbus VAXen" 3rd: Not Awarded :( Open Class 1st: Derek Peschel, Marchant ACR8M Electromechanical Calculator 2nd: David Weil, "Before There Were Computers" 3rd: Cole Erskine, Friden EC-130 Electronic Calculator Special Awards Best Presentation - Research Dwight Elvey, Nicolet 1080 Best Presentation - Completeness Simon Favre, IBM 3270 AT/GX Best Presentation - Display Curt Vendel, "Atari Historical Society" Best Presentation - Creative Integration with Contemporary Technology Jordan Ruderman, SOL-20 (used a CD player to store Cassette-based programs) Best Preservation - Original Condition Rick Lehrbaum, Ampro Z-80 Best Preservation - Restoration Dwight Elvey, Nicolet 1080 Best Preservation - Recreation Not Awarded :( Best Preservation - Simulation Cameron Kaiser, Commodore 64 Tomy Tutor Emulator Best Preservation - Obscurity Hans Franke, Juku (Estonian computer) Best Technology - Analog David Weil, "Before There Were Computers Best Technology - Non-Electronic Derek Peschel, Marchant ACR8M Electromechanical Calculator People's Choice Award Dale Luck, "Lorraine - The First Amiga and Her Sisters Daphne, Agnus, and Portia" (Original Amiga Prototype) Best of Show Simon Favre, IBM 3270 AT/GX Congratulations to Simon Favre and Dwight Elvey who both came away in a tie of the ribbon count with 3 ribbons each!! Start thinking about what YOU could exhibit at VCF 5.0! The rules for the exhibition can be found at: http://www.vintage.org/2000/exhibit.html Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

23 years, 9 months

CP/M BIOS setup

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Richard Erlacher <richard(a)idcomm.com> >For some time, I've pondered what it might take to divine the various format >features from a CP/M boot disk. It seems to me that if one has a bootable >disk, it has to have sufficient information on the boot tracks to allow one >to find a copy of the BDOS, which, so long as it's the right version of >CP/M, should disclose the details of what formatting has been used for those The bdos can't tell you much other than it's version. >tracks. What's more, given that one can find the BDOS, byte for byte, one >should also be able to find enough of a BIOS to make it possible to extract >the necessary disk parameters used to boot the system. If a second-tier >system is loade, one should be able to find that by examining the autcmd. >That should then yield the data necessary to read the diskette in its >entirety. the key parameters are the DPH, DPB and SKEW... also you need to know how big the sector is and if there is embedded skew within the sector. Then you need to know the disk layout, things like what side/sector numbering was used. For example I've seen two sided media where sector one occured on both sides and where identically formatted, also I've seen side one as 1 thru 9 and side two as 10 through 17... It is possible to devine all that from a bootable disk (I have a few that would never give you that as the core bios is not on the disk at all) but it's a lot of processing and at last count there were some 80 formats for 5.25media alone. >Have you ever run into a utility that handles this? I'd think someone would >have done this by now. Yes, Media Master, Uniform, Multidisk, Eset are a few I use and they all work from tables and have expectations of a bios having a standard configureation so they can "drive" the bios. I also use a modular bios that runs on a slave cpu for the S100 crate and dropping in different drive parameters is straightforward. I tend to treat devices as interchangeable peices by using a abstraction layer. To me the BDOS calls the BIOS and the BIOS if it needs to calls a device driver. One common misconception is the BDOS calls a FDC (simplification). It doesnt and that why the BDOS called the jump table at the start of the BIOS. >Another item I've wanted for some time to automate is the setup of a hard >disk BIOS. Since it's dependent not so much on CP/M quirks but often more >on decisions made on the basis of folklore, I thought it might be >interesting to examine the process as a candidate for automation. The answer is yes it;s doable and it's not worth it from where I sit. One reason, I have the tools needed and there are plenty of freeware out there if I dont. Me, I use my kaypro and my s100 crate (3.5, 5.25 and 8") for this and a copy of multidisk (table driven) and a version of Eset, used to hand feed parameters to the parameters for oddballs. In the general scale of things these do the job well and are more than enough. Some things deserve a simple solution. Allison

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test-drb October 2000