From: R. D. Davis <rdd(a)smart.net>
>work their way up to VMS and eventually be given access to the 'net
>after demonstrating an ability to send e-mail using macro-32.
Back in the dark ages when people could barely say print servers
one of the local characteres took an apple laser writer and put it on
a serial port of the local vax and wrote a DCL script so that you could
either mail or print to the printer. Worked pretty good for VMS-3.6!
>from Macro-32 you have reall power available!
Allison
From: Clint Wolff (VAX collector) <vaxman(a)uswest.net>
>Ahhh, I see... If the cartridge is subjected to excessive shock, the
>disk pops loose from the magnetic holder in the bottom, and rattles
>around. I wish I remember which ones made 'clunking' sounds as I
>unboxed them.
>
>Thanks for all the answers!
Almost but not quite. the hub is a very sturdy bolted up
structure as it has to hod on to a 14" disk spiining at high
speed.
However, The disk is 14" and only 1/8" thick aluminum so a
shock in the wrong direction can warp it just like an only vinyl
record in the sun.
Allison
Hmm..
"You have the complete VMS docset on display in your living room."
Only one docs set? I have 2 complete ones and several incomplete ones...
"You keep wanting Digital to produce "Visual DCL""
Eh? I'd imagine that would look really weird on my LA120...
"You still have a VAX architecture manual"
Which one would you like? 80-81, 82, 86, or the big expanded 8.5" x 11" one?
And which rev of the instruction set reference do you prefer?
"You need a mouse with three buttons and the middle button is useful"
Mouse? Whazzat?
"You believe a computer might handle more than one user at a time"
Maybe, but they have to bring their own chair and their own terminal
"The concept of a blue screen of death is foreign to you"
Well, in theory, I suppose I could make a text page entirely composed of the
word "death" and somehow get a blue ribbon made for the LA120.. but where
does the screen part come in?
"You think that a command line interface is better than a GUI"
A GUI? Was someone drinking pop around the computer again?
"You reboot your desktop station once every 15 months (and only because
a tornado caused a city-wide power blackout)"
Hah, my station is being used *AS* a desktop
"You know you can find out how to use a command by typing help and get
it" I think I'll just look it up in the doc set, that'd be a lot of printing
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Ah, part of the joke is the people that would be most mystified by
VMS is the Winders crowd. Most of them have forgotten what
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Kolb <dankolb(a)ox.compsoc.net>
>> You keep trying to use the EDT keypad in Word.
>
>Oh, please. Word? Surely it should be vi, emacs or Wordstar. :)
See win9x... They meant Word as anyone ued to other real word processors
would be clued and maybe even like LSE or TPU.
>Hmm...one page...that would be, say, 80x25 for a screen, or about 80x65
for
>an A4 page. So that's max. 5k. Why *does* it need half a meg. anyway?
Word
>attachment?
HTML, RTF MIME, anything but plain ascii.
>> You think that a command line interface is better than a GUI
>
>It is, though, isn't it? The only advantage I can (OTTOMH) think of is
that a
>web browser in a GUI displays pictures :-)
So can ghostscript from a command line.
>"apropos <keyword>"?
VMS Help {type, dir, del, set, show, ... or maybe even ?}
>> You really can't think of anything Bill Gates actually invented
>
>Did he invent anything?
Still cant, never did, likely cant.
Allison
From: Clint Wolff (VAX collector) <vaxman(a)uswest.net>
>I haven't looked at these very close yet, but aren't the heads in the
>drive, not the disk pack?
>
>The only damage I can imagine is the bearings and/or races got munged
>up...
>
>clint
The packs consist of a hub assembly (no bearings) that matches up
with the magnetic clutch on the spindle of the drive. The platter being
nearly 14" is susceptable to warping from high shocks.
I'd consider popping it out of the plastic pack and mounting it on a try
spindle and giving it a spin in free air to see if the the platter is
warped.
If the heads make contact it could be catastrophic and a PITA to
mount and align a new set.
Allison
>
>
>On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Daniel T. Burrows wrote:
>
>> >I recently purchased a number of RL02 cartridges. Some are labeled:
>> >RL02K-DC and some RL02K-EF.
>> >
>> >What's the difference between them?
>>
>> The -EF were error free.
>>
>> >
>> >One had one side of the shock indicator set, a second had both set.
>> >
>> >Would it be a really bad idea to use either of these, or just a bad
>> >idea?
>>
>> Depends of how brave you are.:)
>> Clean the heads first anyway.
>> Inspect them closely for any dings. Especially on the edges of the
>> platters. Then be ready to spin the drive down if you hear anything
when it
>> first loads.
>> Then inspect the heads again for oxide whether you heard anything or
not.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: Changing logicals on VMS?
>I got in this mess as follows:
>
>I installed an RF72 drive into my 4000/200 and proceeded to do a 'sho
dev'
>on it. It showed up on the DSSI bus as $24$DIA264:
>
>I then installed VMS 7.2 on to this drive, followed by a bunch of
layered
>products.
>
>Then I read in the KA660 technical manual how to "talk" to the DSSI
drives,
>(which is very arcane using the KFQSA but a snap on the KA640 and KA660)
>and proceeded to tell the drive to call itself node SYSTEM and unit 0.
>
>This worked fine, and I noted that I could now boot the system by
>specifying DIA0: rather than DIA264: (which I never could remember
anyway).
>
>Then I went to install another layered product. That installation failed
>because it couldn't find a file is was expecting in
>SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SY0.SYSTEMP] (or something very similar). So I did a dir
>SYS$SYSDEVICE: and sure enough there was nothing there, then I did a
SHOW
>LOGICALS and from there discovered that SYS$SYSDEVICE: was defined to be
>$24$DIA264: (the original name of the DSSI drive)
Ok, try set(or is it define) sys$sysdevice:[sys0.systemp] == $24$dia264
I may have this off some but it's only a simple necessity in systartup_*
to define the
system logicals for the devices you wish to be default.
>Now I could name it back again. But I'd rather tell VMS where the
SYSDEVICE
>now sits (for all the system, like on a permanent basis). If I 'define'
it,
>it changes for the current process but doesn't change universally and
more
>importantly other things are stuck that way to.
>
>Nothing is SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM defines these so they must be in a
parameter
>database somewhere else. That is where I'm looking now ...
>
check help define logicals.
Allison
I used to have the rackmount version of this system (I don't recall
the /xx number, 41 maybe?)...it was quite a machine. Next to my other
main machines of the day (MicroVAX-II and a few 386 systems, this was
like 1989) it was a VERY fast box. Lack of networking was what killed
it for me. But aside from that, it was a pleasure to use.
-Dave McGuire
On October 3, Joe wrote:
> At 12:10 PM 10/3/00 +0100, Pete wrote:
> >
> >> I now have it here, its a Zilog S8000/32 Model 130, Ser no.
> >> 01871336, sold by Allied Business Systems of Portslade, Sussex.
> >>
> >BTW what, precisely, is it - does anyone on the list know of them. In his
> >original message to me he said that it was big and that it had been used at
> >a local college to teach Unix to students.
> >
> You're in luck. I just happen to have a copy of the '82/'83 Zilog
> catalog handy. It lists the S8000/31. I expect the 32 is similar. Here are
> some of the specs for the 31; 6 MHz Z8001A CPU and Z8010A MMUs as well as 6
> MHz Z80B CPUs. The Z8000 is a 16 bit CPU with 16 general purpose registers
> and an 8 M byte address space and can perform 8, 16 and 32 bit operations.
> The operating system is Zeus, a Zilog enhanced UNIX. It includes a screen
> oriented editor, a symbolic debugger and more than 180 other utilities.
> Other features include a HFS, compatible file, device, and interprocess
> I/O, Separate code and data address space, multiple processes per user,
> user program address space of up to 8 Mb (C, Fortran 77, assembler. Zilog
> offered BASIC, Cobal, C, Fortran 77, Pascal and PLZ/Sys for it. The machine
> has up to 4 Mb of ECC memory (1 Mb minimum) and can support up to 24 users.
> Optional 9 track 1/2" magnetic tape drive. I *think* it does include a tape
> cassette drive as standard. It should have a 3600 RPM 32 Mb hard drive with
> 45 ms access time. The standard unit is 33" high and measures 19" wide by
> 24" deep and weighs ~ 250 pounds. Based on the picture, it appears to be
> made up of four modules stacked on top of each other and has castors
> underneath. The unit is white with a vertical black strip about 6" wide on
> the left side of the front. There are expansion units that can be stacked
> on top of the main unit. Th unit can run off of single phase 100, 117, 220
> or 240 VAC. Maximum current at 220/240 volts is 4 Amps.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
I recently got a PDP-11/34A, with 2 RK05 drives, about 10 packs with RSTS/E and maybe RSX-11M (not sure about what else). The main cabinet is almost completely full of cards that I know almost nothing about. I powered up the CPU, and it appears to work. I have a lot of manuals also. My question is: What should I do first? I have no idea how to clean this stuff. Right now I really want to know what I should do in preperation for setting everything up.
Thanks,
Owen
After last weekend's soaraway success this weekend was a little flat! I
could only get 2 boxed early 80s electronic games - MB Genius and Cue
Ball....red LED snooker anyone? :)
http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk if you fancy a look, now fully (I hope)
netscape compatible!
a
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Ford [mailto:mikeford@socal.rr.com]
> Sent: 29 September 2000 19:02
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Recent finds
>
>
> Sometimes its the little things, sometimes the big ones.
>
> Items bringing me joy this week (something has to since I
> can't go to VCF ;(
>
> I found two Tandy labeled and two Grid labeled AC adapters,
> all with the
> same output plug and 16.5 v something amp ratings.
>
> Later in the week I found a Barco 2846 multidata 28" color monitor
> (supports NTSC/PAL RGB, svga, and mac with switches).
>
>
Dammit - that's too far for me too :o(
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Joules [mailto:pgj@ghrs.co.uk]
> Sent: 03 October 2000 12:43
> To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org'
> Subject: Zilog S8000 available in the UK
>
>
> I had this machine offered to me, but it is too far for me to
> collect it if
> anyone else in the UK wants it. Please contact Mike directly.
>
> BTW what, precisely, is it - does anyone on the list know of
> them. In his
> original message to me he said that it was big and that it
> had been used at
> a local college to teach Unix to students.
>
> --
> Regards
> Pete
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike W [mailto:mike@corn2.freeserve.co.uk]
> > Sent: 03 October 2000 10:57
> > To: Peter Joules
> > Subject: Re: You want old computer stuff?
> >
> >
> > no probs abt the delay in replying Pete, feel free to pass on the
> > details to whoever you wish.
> >
> > I now have it here, its a Zilog S8000/32 Model 130, Ser no.
> > 01871336, sold by Allied Business Systems of Portslade, Sussex.
> >
> > It appears to be functional but as yet I hav'nt connected a
> terminal
> > to it so I can't be certain of this.
> >
> > If you or any of your fellow devotees would like to have it
> > then I'd be
> > only too happy to store it until it can be collected.
> > Catch you later.. Mike W, Redruth, Cornwall
> >
> >
>
