test-drb September 1999

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by owad＠applefritter.com

Prodig be discontinuing thier Prodigy Classic service on October 1. Article at < http://www.pathfinder.com/time/digital/feature/0,2955,30429-1,00.html>

25 years, 3 months

Differentiating chips (Was: Newbie member saying something!!!

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<But does anyone have a good way to differentiate between 386SX and 386DX? < <Possibilities that come to mind include brute force speed comparison? <Compare speed of moving data that is word v doubleword aligned? <SX has 24 bit address bus, DX has 32 bits. Any easy way to test? Isn't there a processor ID register in the 386 and up class? Allison

25 years, 3 months

Speaking of CP/M... (Re: Best CP/M machine?)

by mtapley＠swri.edu

All, Mix software still has a web site at http://www.mixsoftware.com/. I don't know whether they would support CP/M or not. One might ask, and one might also suggest the possibility of classic-comp group buy for the CP/M edition if they could temporarily resurrect it. - Mark

25 years, 3 months

Kaypro 10

by wsmith＠gj.com

>> Do you need a K10-83 or a K10-84? >What is the difference in these two models? (83, 84 -- year of mfg., maybe??) I didn't see a direct answer to this. Does anyone know?

25 years, 3 months

End of Prodigy Classic

by owad＠applefritter.com

>Any idea what they are? I seem to recall that the original Compu$erve ran >on Pr1mes of >some kind, but no idea what Prodigy used. Vaxen? IBM 370's? I sure don't know. To tell you the truth, I never even used Prodigy. Being a Mac user, the service didn't appeal to me - I signed up with AOL around 1990/91. And then I also ran a local BBS of my own for a little over two years. I recall talking to a somewhat distant relative a few years back who was involved with Prodigy. Even then he said how pitifully old systems were. Is the Apple II forum on AOL still around? When I quit the service (I think two years ago - just after the change over to AOL 3.0 and unlimited access) the forum was still around, but the message boards and chat were gone, and the software libraries were decaying. With AOL 3.0, the keyword "Apple II" (or was it "Apple II Forum"?) no longer worked, but instead a very long line of "http://" garbage was required. I was told that the Apple II forum was no longer being "supported" and that when the systems or hard drives died, they were simply thrown out, with no attempts to recover being made, and nothing backed up. This is why Tom Turley and company were making such an effort to back up the file libraries. Of course, this last bit is all according to Mr. Turley. Take it with however much salt you deem appropriate. >I'd have to agree, hopefully they will find an honourable retirement with >someone, >a museum should be interested, given the significance of the service they >ran. I wish I had the space for them. New York's not all that far, for me. :-) Tom Owad ---------------------------Applefritter--------------------------- Apple prototypes, Apple II & early Mac clones, and the Compubrick. ------------------<http://www.applefritter.com/>------------------

25 years, 3 months

End of Prodigy Classic

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 9/7/99 4:41:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, owad(a)applefritter.com writes: > Is the Apple II forum on AOL still around? When I quit the service (I > think two years ago - just after the change over to AOL 3.0 and unlimited > access) the forum was still around, but the message boards and chat were > gone, and the software libraries were decaying. With AOL 3.0, the > keyword "Apple II" (or was it "Apple II Forum"?) no longer worked, but > instead a very long line of "http://" garbage was required. I was told > that the Apple II forum was no longer being "supported" and that when the > systems or hard drives died, they were simply thrown out, with no > attempts to recover being made, and nothing backed up. This is why Tom > Turley and company were making such an effort to back up the file > libraries. Of course, this last bit is all according to Mr. Turley. > Take it with however much salt you deem appropriate. supposedly the apple forums on aol are still accessable via http://something-or-other. you might want to check in comp.sys.apple2 as the address has been posted several times there. d

25 years, 3 months

End of Prodigy Classic

by morrison＠t-iii.com

Compu$erve, now owned by AOL, is making it harder & harder for older owners to find what remains of the forums. You have to know which one you want, search won't find them now. Soon, no more ...... ???? Neil Morrison email:morrison@t-iii.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Owad [SMTP:owad@applefritter.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 2:38 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: End of Prodigy Classic > > >Any idea what they are? I seem to recall that the original Compu$erve > ran > >on Pr1mes of > >some kind, but no idea what Prodigy used. Vaxen? IBM 370's? > > I sure don't know. To tell you the truth, I never even used Prodigy. > Being a Mac user, the service didn't appeal to me - I signed up with AOL > around 1990/91. And then I also ran a local BBS of my own for a little > over two years. I recall talking to a somewhat distant relative a few > years back who was involved with Prodigy. Even then he said how > pitifully old systems were. > > Is the Apple II forum on AOL still around? When I quit the service (I > think two years ago - just after the change over to AOL 3.0 and unlimited > access) the forum was still around, but the message boards and chat were > gone, and the software libraries were decaying. With AOL 3.0, the > keyword "Apple II" (or was it "Apple II Forum"?) no longer worked, but > instead a very long line of "http://" garbage was required. I was told > that the Apple II forum was no longer being "supported" and that when the > systems or hard drives died, they were simply thrown out, with no > attempts to recover being made, and nothing backed up. This is why Tom > Turley and company were making such an effort to back up the file > libraries. Of course, this last bit is all according to Mr. Turley. > Take it with however much salt you deem appropriate. > >

25 years, 3 months

Gem Desktop

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

I was lucky enough to finally find a PCjr. today at the local thrift and picked up also a book of the type I usually disdain, "Introduction to Personal Computers" by Katherine Murray from Que/1990. In looking thru the book which is an excellent primer to newby collectors (it covers basics for DOS, Mac, AppleGS) I was struck again by the similarities of most of the GUIs. It had figs. from Mac, GS, and PCs. I'd never seen before the GS desktop. What struck me is the basic similarity. Having develloped my eye-teeth with Atari STs, altho I had a Pet and PCs before that, I am well acquainted with the GEM desktop. Despite the claims of Apple and the Palo Alto connection and the suit that wound up GEM on PCs and resulted in Windblows, I am unclear as to what the DI relationship was, why Atari was allowed to continue with it's GEM desktop, altho they stopped at GEM II, why GEOS on the C64 (C64 users compare before flaming me) and a multitude of systems and programs such as Ventura Publisher and PC Tools were allowed to continue with this supposed violation of supposed Apple copyright. DI of course continued for years issuing GEM-like GUIs and they are still available. ciao larry BTW Tim Olmsteads Unofficial CP/M home page has a lot of material. lwalker(a)interlog.com Let us know of your upcoming computer events for our Events Page. t3c(a)xoommail.com Vintage Computer Collectors List and info http://members.xoom.com/T3C

25 years, 3 months

VCF Vendor Booths Still Available

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

There are still vendor booths available at the Vintage Computer Festival. If you'd like more information, please visit: http://www.vintage.org/vcf/vendor.htm Only 3 more weeks until VCF 3.0! Got your travel plans in order? Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out. Coming this October 2-3: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0! See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 08/17/99]

25 years, 3 months

Kaypro 10

by Glenatacme＠aol.com

Hello all: I inquired: > How can I transfer CP/M files from my PC to a Kaypro? Fred Cisin replied: > There is software for the [DOUBLE SIDED] Kaypro to read PC 360K diskettes. Cool -- I'm in the process of obtaining a K-10 and I assume it has double-sided drives. > There is software for PC to write Kaypro diskettes. There are many such > programs, some shareware, some commercial. Would you be so kind as to point a Kaypro novice in the direction of these programs? Thanks, Glen Goodwin 0/0

25 years, 3 months

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