If any of you have a full-time domain under your control, and could
consider hosting the INFO-PDP11 mailing list server, please contact Pat
Barron as noted in the attached message.
Thanks. Attachment follows.
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On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:29:53 -0400 (EDT), in vmsnet.pdp-11 you wrote:
>>From: Pat Barron <pat(a)transarc.com>
>>Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11
>>Subject: INFO-PDP11 mailing list needs to move soon!
>>Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990914180619.11989A-100000(a)smithfield.transarc.ibm.com>
>>Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:29:53 -0400 (EDT)
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>>Due to some logistical changes at work, it appears that I will not be
>>able to host the INFO-PDP11 mailing list here for much longer. I am
>>currently seeking a volunteer to take over the care and feeding of this
>>mailing list. The ideal candidate should have a mail server under his/her
>>direct control, with good Internet connectivity. If you use an
>>automated list maintenance package like Majordomo, the actual time
>>required for list administration is not substantial. If you might
>>be willing to take on this task, please drop me a note and let me know.
>>
>>I have maintained this list for the last 11 years or so, and I've been
>>very glad over that time to take care of this discussion list. The PDP-11
>>was the first "real" computer I ever used, and it was where I got all of
>>my early experience with Unix kernel hacking, so it still holds a special
>>place in my heart. However, for good or bad, it appears that I will
>>[finally! ;-)] need to move on to other things - though even if/when the
>>list does move, I'll still be a reader!
>>
>>--Pat.
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Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho,
Blue Feather Technologies -- kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech [dot] com
Web: http://www.bluefeathertech.com
"...No matter how we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object,
event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them..."
Well, I like my scanner because it has a sheetfeeder and because it's legal
size, but, alas, it's only capable of a limited range of formats. After
all, I've had the thing for nearly ten years. Now, if you have a way to
massage the old style TIFF (targa) files into something better, perhaps that
would be the thing to do.
A lot depends on what requirements the TBD web host will have, and I'll
perhaps hold off until a site is found.
OTOH, I did sort of allow that since Hans Franke is going to be at the VCF,
though I'm not, I can arrange to get this stuff hauled out there for him by
someone from here who's going. I will have to see whether he's willing to
get this stuff scanned and appropriately compressed, then made available via
the web.
Wait and see . . .
Dick
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: Intel OS DOC and SOURCE
>"Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> wrote:
>> If there were a web site which would accomodate the many thousands of
pages
>> involved here I'd consider scanning the stuff and forwarding the bitmaps
to
>> whoever wants them. Now, keep in mind that a typical TIFF of a printed
page
>> in single-bit format is about 1 MB in size, and we're looking at a
1-2'-high
>> stack of paper with both sides printed in most cases. LEt's see. . . a
ream
>> is about 1-3/4" = 500 sheets . . . let's say 10 reams . . . so we're
looking
>> at 10 GB, right (GAWD! . . . I hope I've miscalculated!)
>
>No, for text and line art, just use TIFF Class F Group 4 compression.
>It's lossless, and for typical pages at 300 DPI it's only about 50K.
>Intricate pages somtimes wind up around 100K-120K.
>
>And although not all software can deal with that format, the Group 4
>fax compression is one of the native formats for PDF, so I now supply
>all of my scanned documents as PDF files. For a few examples, see:
> http://www.36bit.org/dec/
>
>Yes, I know that some people hate PDF format, and that you can't read
>them on a Commodore 64 or PDP-11/05. To which I say, too bad. I got
>many more complaints about other formats. Some people even wanted text
>pages in JPEG format, which is just about the worst conceivable format
>for them, since JPEG is a lossy format designed for continuous tone
>images.
>
>I've hacked a version of the imagepdf program from Thomas Metz's PDFLIB
>to directly import TIFF Class F Group 4 files into PDF files without
>decompressing them, so that it's not necessary to buy the $300 Acrobat
>program from Adobe.
>
>Eric
In a message dated 9/17/99 11:33:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
fpp(a)concentric.net writes:
> eBay does not allow bidding on one's own auctions.
>
well of course! that's just being a shill which they've really tried to crack
down on.
-->this message printed on recycled disk space.
visit the computers of yesteryear at:
http://members.aol.com/suprdave/classiccmp/museum.htm
Shelton Caruthers <SCaruthers(a)compuserve.com> has a pile of some neat
TRS-80 stuff that he's wanting to sell for the best offer. Please discuss
details with Shelton. I am just passing this message along. I think he
will sell items separately but you have to discuss it with him.
Please reply directly to Shelton.
Reply-to: SCaruthers(a)compuserve.com
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:56:46 -0400
From: "Shelton D. Caruthers" <SCaruthers(a)compuserve.com>
The following is a somewhat-complete list of the items:
HARDWARE (with all manuals):
TRS-80 Model 4 (working) with 128K RAM,
2 internal 5.25 drives
2 external 5.25 drives
TRS-80 Line Printer VIII
Modem II (300 b)
Orch-90 Music Synthesizer
TRS-80 Pocket Computer (with slight LCD damage)
PC printer/cassett interface (ie, docking station w/printer)
"Leather" case
Realistic cassette player
TRS-80 Pocket Computer Model 2 (with manuals)
additional 8K RAM module
"Leather" case
Color Plotter/cassett interface
RS-232 interface
TRS-80 Modem I
SOFTWARE (with manuals):
TRS-DOS v6 (pre year 1986 bug fix)
Profile 4 Plus
Deskmate (for later Tandy PC)
Microcom for Model III
Model 4 Hi Res Graphics Utilities
Super Scripsit (w/ audio tape training course)
Super Scripsit Dictionary
TRS-80 Disk Mailing List (Model I)
Series I Editor/Assembler (Model I/III)
TRS-80 Videotex/Compuserve Information Manager (Model I)
Other misc. games and utilities...
Pocket Computer Software:
Personal Finance
Games (multiple versions)
Statistics
Banners
Other...
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)verio.com
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Puttin' the smack down on the man!
Coming this October 2-3: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0!
See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details
[Last web site update: 09/17/99]
There are three interest areas potentiallyh addressed by these documents and
files.
First of all, there are doc's relating to ISIS-II which (IIRC) was the 8-bit
development environment of the very early '80's. Secondly, there are doc's
relating to iRMX-86, and some source files. Thirdly, there are doc's and
ostensibly source files relating to iAPX, which was another OS they were
pushing for the 8x86/87/88/89 family.
Some of the documents are assembler, debugger, compiler, etc. documents for
PL/M-80 and PL/M 86, PASCAL 86, the various macro assemblers and
cross-assemblers (in this case, for 8x86/88 family parts on their 8080/8085
platforms) and stuff like that.
There are also some manuals relating to the console hardware, etc, and the
MDS-80, among other things. There's even some hardware doc, though it's
user manual stuff.
If there were a web site which would accomodate the many thousands of pages
involved here I'd consider scanning the stuff and forwarding the bitmaps to
whoever wants them. Now, keep in mind that a typical TIFF of a printed page
in single-bit format is about 1 MB in size, and we're looking at a 1-2'-high
stack of paper with both sides printed in most cases. LEt's see. . . a ream
is about 1-3/4" = 500 sheets . . . let's say 10 reams . . . so we're looking
at 10 GB, right (GAWD! . . . I hope I've miscalculated!)
Well . . . It could be sent as PCX files, only about 1/4 the size, and
capable of being compressed as well . . . but it would still take a number
of hours of transfer time unless I go to the POP to do it. There I have 44
Mb/sec . . . Now, who's got that much space at their ISP?
Dick
-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Fandt <cfandt(a)netsync.net>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: Find of the day
>Upon the date 03:05 PM 9/17/99 -0600, Richard Erlacher said something like:
>>Yesterday or the day before, I posted that I had found a number of Intel
>>ISIS-II, iAPX, and iRMX-86 manuals. Is there a website where these could
be
>>made available to whoever wants access?
>>
>>Likewise, I posted that I have about 20 diskettes in a case (not yet
>>examined in detail) clearly marked iAPX Sources. Before I send these off
to
>>one fellow who wants them, perhaps they should be made available to the
>>public at large. I'd be willing to send them to an appropriate web site
if
>>someone will recommend one.
>>
>
>Hi Dick,
>
>There are members on here, like myself, who are into the VME- and
>Multibus-based industrial/embedded systems. I have several Multibus-I
>boards and a couple of crates that I want to someday get running. iRMX-80
>and -86 would indeed be of use in my attempts at this and any help such as
>you're offering will be appreciated. Docs are just as important too.
>
>Thanks much! --Chris
>-- --
>Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian
>Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net
> Member of Antique Wireless Association
> URL: http://www.antiquewireless.org/
sorry about forgetting to change the subject . . . it was sort of a find,
though.
Dick
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: Find of the day
>Yesterday or the day before, I posted that I had found a number of Intel
>ISIS-II, iAPX, and iRMX-86 manuals. Is there a website where these could
be
>made available to whoever wants access?
>
>Likewise, I posted that I have about 20 diskettes in a case (not yet
>examined in detail) clearly marked iAPX Sources. Before I send these off
to
>one fellow who wants them, perhaps they should be made available to the
>public at large. I'd be willing to send them to an appropriate web site if
>someone will recommend one.
>
>Dick
>
>
>
Yesterday or the day before, I posted that I had found a number of Intel
ISIS-II, iAPX, and iRMX-86 manuals. Is there a website where these could be
made available to whoever wants access?
Likewise, I posted that I have about 20 diskettes in a case (not yet
examined in detail) clearly marked iAPX Sources. Before I send these off to
one fellow who wants them, perhaps they should be made available to the
public at large. I'd be willing to send them to an appropriate web site if
someone will recommend one.
Dick
Since the Star came from upstate NY and went to Chicago I bet it was a real
sale. I bet the largest collection of computers in the world
(http://www.vintagecomputers.com) didn't have an original star and was
willing to meet a reserve price of $7500.
I look forward to the web site when they get it done.
Paxton
