test-drb September 1999

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by Innfogra＠aol.com

I think this is a real Apple 1 sale, and in my own backyard. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=162334931 Less than 2 days to go. Paxton

24 years, 10 months

FW: INFO-PDP11 mailing list needs to move soon!

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

If any of you have a full-time domain under your control, and could consider hosting the INFO-PDP11 mailing list server, please contact Pat Barron as noted in the attached message. Thanks. Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:29:53 -0400 (EDT), in vmsnet.pdp-11 you wrote: >>From: Pat Barron <pat(a)transarc.com> >>Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11 >>Subject: INFO-PDP11 mailing list needs to move soon! >>Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990914180619.11989A-100000(a)smithfield.transarc.ibm.com> >>Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:29:53 -0400 (EDT) >>Organization: Info-Pdp11<==>Vmsnet.Pdp-11 Gateway >>X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List >>Lines: 19 >>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Path: news1.jps.net!news-west.eli.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.globix.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!mvb.saic.com!info-pdp11 >>Xref: news1.jps.net vmsnet.pdp-11:71 >> >>Due to some logistical changes at work, it appears that I will not be >>able to host the INFO-PDP11 mailing list here for much longer. I am >>currently seeking a volunteer to take over the care and feeding of this >>mailing list. The ideal candidate should have a mail server under his/her >>direct control, with good Internet connectivity. If you use an >>automated list maintenance package like Majordomo, the actual time >>required for list administration is not substantial. If you might >>be willing to take on this task, please drop me a note and let me know. >> >>I have maintained this list for the last 11 years or so, and I've been >>very glad over that time to take care of this discussion list. The PDP-11 >>was the first "real" computer I ever used, and it was where I got all of >>my early experience with Unix kernel hacking, so it still holds a special >>place in my heart. However, for good or bad, it appears that I will >>[finally! ;-)] need to move on to other things - though even if/when the >>list does move, I'll still be a reader! >> >>--Pat. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies -- kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech [dot] com Web: http://www.bluefeathertech.com "...No matter how we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them..."

24 years, 10 months

Intel OS DOC and SOURCE

by edick＠idcomm.com

Well, I like my scanner because it has a sheetfeeder and because it's legal size, but, alas, it's only capable of a limited range of formats. After all, I've had the thing for nearly ten years. Now, if you have a way to massage the old style TIFF (targa) files into something better, perhaps that would be the thing to do. A lot depends on what requirements the TBD web host will have, and I'll perhaps hold off until a site is found. OTOH, I did sort of allow that since Hans Franke is going to be at the VCF, though I'm not, I can arrange to get this stuff hauled out there for him by someone from here who's going. I will have to see whether he's willing to get this stuff scanned and appropriately compressed, then made available via the web. Wait and see . . . Dick -----Original Message----- From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 6:57 PM Subject: Re: Intel OS DOC and SOURCE >"Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> wrote: >> If there were a web site which would accomodate the many thousands of pages >> involved here I'd consider scanning the stuff and forwarding the bitmaps to >> whoever wants them. Now, keep in mind that a typical TIFF of a printed page >> in single-bit format is about 1 MB in size, and we're looking at a 1-2'-high >> stack of paper with both sides printed in most cases. LEt's see. . . a ream >> is about 1-3/4" = 500 sheets . . . let's say 10 reams . . . so we're looking >> at 10 GB, right (GAWD! . . . I hope I've miscalculated!) > >No, for text and line art, just use TIFF Class F Group 4 compression. >It's lossless, and for typical pages at 300 DPI it's only about 50K. >Intricate pages somtimes wind up around 100K-120K. > >And although not all software can deal with that format, the Group 4 >fax compression is one of the native formats for PDF, so I now supply >all of my scanned documents as PDF files. For a few examples, see: > http://www.36bit.org/dec/ > >Yes, I know that some people hate PDF format, and that you can't read >them on a Commodore 64 or PDP-11/05. To which I say, too bad. I got >many more complaints about other formats. Some people even wanted text >pages in JPEG format, which is just about the worst conceivable format >for them, since JPEG is a lossy format designed for continuous tone >images. > >I've hacked a version of the imagepdf program from Thomas Metz's PDFLIB >to directly import TIFF Class F Group 4 files into PDF files without >decompressing them, so that it's not necessary to buy the $300 Acrobat >program from Adobe. > >Eric

24 years, 10 months

eBay auction rules for ending

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 9/17/99 11:33:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fpp(a)concentric.net writes: > eBay does not allow bidding on one's own auctions. > well of course! that's just being a shill which they've really tried to crack down on. -->this message printed on recycled disk space. visit the computers of yesteryear at: http://members.aol.com/suprdave/classiccmp/museum.htm

24 years, 10 months

eBay auction rules for ending

by fpp＠concentric.net

eBay does not allow bidding on one's own auctions.

24 years, 10 months

TRS-80 stash available for best offer

by siconic＠jasmine.psyber.com

Shelton Caruthers <SCaruthers(a)compuserve.com> has a pile of some neat TRS-80 stuff that he's wanting to sell for the best offer. Please discuss details with Shelton. I am just passing this message along. I think he will sell items separately but you have to discuss it with him. Please reply directly to Shelton. Reply-to: SCaruthers(a)compuserve.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:56:46 -0400 From: "Shelton D. Caruthers" <SCaruthers(a)compuserve.com> The following is a somewhat-complete list of the items: HARDWARE (with all manuals): TRS-80 Model 4 (working) with 128K RAM, 2 internal 5.25 drives 2 external 5.25 drives TRS-80 Line Printer VIII Modem II (300 b) Orch-90 Music Synthesizer TRS-80 Pocket Computer (with slight LCD damage) PC printer/cassett interface (ie, docking station w/printer) "Leather" case Realistic cassette player TRS-80 Pocket Computer Model 2 (with manuals) additional 8K RAM module "Leather" case Color Plotter/cassett interface RS-232 interface TRS-80 Modem I SOFTWARE (with manuals): TRS-DOS v6 (pre year 1986 bug fix) Profile 4 Plus Deskmate (for later Tandy PC) Microcom for Model III Model 4 Hi Res Graphics Utilities Super Scripsit (w/ audio tape training course) Super Scripsit Dictionary TRS-80 Disk Mailing List (Model I) Series I Editor/Assembler (Model I/III) TRS-80 Videotex/Compuserve Information Manager (Model I) Other misc. games and utilities... Pocket Computer Software: Personal Finance Games (multiple versions) Statistics Banners Other... Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)verio.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Puttin' the smack down on the man! Coming this October 2-3: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0! See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details [Last web site update: 09/17/99]

24 years, 10 months

Intel OS DOC and SOURCE

by edick＠idcomm.com

There are three interest areas potentiallyh addressed by these documents and files. First of all, there are doc's relating to ISIS-II which (IIRC) was the 8-bit development environment of the very early '80's. Secondly, there are doc's relating to iRMX-86, and some source files. Thirdly, there are doc's and ostensibly source files relating to iAPX, which was another OS they were pushing for the 8x86/87/88/89 family. Some of the documents are assembler, debugger, compiler, etc. documents for PL/M-80 and PL/M 86, PASCAL 86, the various macro assemblers and cross-assemblers (in this case, for 8x86/88 family parts on their 8080/8085 platforms) and stuff like that. There are also some manuals relating to the console hardware, etc, and the MDS-80, among other things. There's even some hardware doc, though it's user manual stuff. If there were a web site which would accomodate the many thousands of pages involved here I'd consider scanning the stuff and forwarding the bitmaps to whoever wants them. Now, keep in mind that a typical TIFF of a printed page in single-bit format is about 1 MB in size, and we're looking at a 1-2'-high stack of paper with both sides printed in most cases. LEt's see. . . a ream is about 1-3/4" = 500 sheets . . . let's say 10 reams . . . so we're looking at 10 GB, right (GAWD! . . . I hope I've miscalculated!) Well . . . It could be sent as PCX files, only about 1/4 the size, and capable of being compressed as well . . . but it would still take a number of hours of transfer time unless I go to the POP to do it. There I have 44 Mb/sec . . . Now, who's got that much space at their ISP? Dick -----Original Message----- From: Christian Fandt <cfandt(a)netsync.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 3:40 PM Subject: Re: Find of the day >Upon the date 03:05 PM 9/17/99 -0600, Richard Erlacher said something like: >>Yesterday or the day before, I posted that I had found a number of Intel >>ISIS-II, iAPX, and iRMX-86 manuals. Is there a website where these could be >>made available to whoever wants access? >> >>Likewise, I posted that I have about 20 diskettes in a case (not yet >>examined in detail) clearly marked iAPX Sources. Before I send these off to >>one fellow who wants them, perhaps they should be made available to the >>public at large. I'd be willing to send them to an appropriate web site if >>someone will recommend one. >> > >Hi Dick, > >There are members on here, like myself, who are into the VME- and >Multibus-based industrial/embedded systems. I have several Multibus-I >boards and a couple of crates that I want to someday get running. iRMX-80 >and -86 would indeed be of use in my attempts at this and any help such as >you're offering will be appreciated. Docs are just as important too. > >Thanks much! --Chris >-- -- >Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian >Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net > Member of Antique Wireless Association > URL: http://www.antiquewireless.org/

24 years, 10 months

Intel OS DOC and SOURCES (was) Re: Find of the day

by edick＠idcomm.com

sorry about forgetting to change the subject . . . it was sort of a find, though. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 3:12 PM Subject: Re: Find of the day >Yesterday or the day before, I posted that I had found a number of Intel >ISIS-II, iAPX, and iRMX-86 manuals. Is there a website where these could be >made available to whoever wants access? > >Likewise, I posted that I have about 20 diskettes in a case (not yet >examined in detail) clearly marked iAPX Sources. Before I send these off to >one fellow who wants them, perhaps they should be made available to the >public at large. I'd be willing to send them to an appropriate web site if >someone will recommend one. > >Dick > > >

24 years, 10 months

Find of the day

by edick＠idcomm.com

Yesterday or the day before, I posted that I had found a number of Intel ISIS-II, iAPX, and iRMX-86 manuals. Is there a website where these could be made available to whoever wants access? Likewise, I posted that I have about 20 diskettes in a case (not yet examined in detail) clearly marked iAPX Sources. Before I send these off to one fellow who wants them, perhaps they should be made available to the public at large. I'd be willing to send them to an appropriate web site if someone will recommend one. Dick

24 years, 10 months

Xerox Star buyer?

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Since the Star came from upstate NY and went to Chicago I bet it was a real sale. I bet the largest collection of computers in the world (http://www.vintagecomputers.com) didn't have an original star and was willing to meet a reserve price of $7500. I look forward to the web site when they get it done. Paxton

24 years, 10 months

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