>Is it possible to make a bootable TK50 with RT-11, that can then be used to
>install RT-11 if something happens to the Hard Drive? I know there is a
>script that makes a RT-11 install tape, but is that tape bootable?
Sure, just assign BIN to the disk with the completem set of distribution files,
assign KIT to the tape drive (MU0), and do a @MUB. The resulting tape
will be bootable into MDUP.MU (a simple utility that lets you initialize
a disk and copy the tape files to it, and then boots the disk.) The
MDUP instructions are in the RT-11 Installation manual - ask if you
don't have the book and need help.
TK50 tapes are also bootable into MDUP.AI, the "auto-install" version.
An auto-install from TK50 takes hours, but it does work if your hardware
meets the AI requirements.
Note that the MUB.COM build file will expect every file that comes on
an official RT-11 distribution to be present on BIN:. You better have
every file, and ideally they'd be those from a "virgin" system. Things
like driver SET commands may make your particular install be "non-virgin".
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Hmm, I guess I'll post this on here, too...
On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Jacob Ritorto wrote:
> does anyone recall exactly what must be done to make 2.9BSD work with
> fuji160s? I'm only getting about 30MB out of them, but I haven't really
> tried anything yet. I have no tape drive, but instead (4) rl02 packs with
> the /usr fs broken up about equally between them in tar format. The sc21s
> I have available are SC2110201-BMG and SC2110201/V1E.
>
> BTW, what are the real capability differences in these boards?
>
>
> TIA
>
> jake
>
>
To all you clever people out there who post E-Bay references with
no accompanying text on just what it is you're sniggering about:
Not everyone on this List reads It in the context of a web-browser.
And speaking strictly for myself, while I am curious to know what it
is generating the excitement, I am *not* curious enough to shut down
the shell account, redial the PPP number and launch Netscape, go to
E-Bay, turn down a jarfull of goddam cookies, see what ludicrous
price some nitwit has paid for XXX that we all have a dozen of, then
reverse the whole process and get back to the list again. Copying
the said (or any) URL for me, means pencil and paper... not bloody
likely as far as E-Bay is concerned.
I do not like nor will I participate in E-bay, but that is my own
opinion on the matter and I respect and honor differing views. Good
old-fashioned Netiquette is the topic of this rant, however.
Thanks
John
Is it possible to make a bootable TK50 with RT-11, that can then be used to
install RT-11 if something happens to the Hard Drive? I know there is a
script that makes a RT-11 install tape, but is that tape bootable?
Zane
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Currently on eBay,
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=127334243
I'm happy to consider prior sale/trade offers for this desirable (boxed SYM single board computer, fine condition). About to return from holiday, this must stay behind.
Looking for Russian calculators, computers, rare old game machines and cartridges.
Thanks
A
<I agree. I use PINE, and I've always used PINE. I used Nutscrap mail for
I use pine via Telnet from work... slow but works.
The home system runs RDFmail and that uses a no slip or ppp interface so
going from mail to Nyetscrap is a whole change of enviroment in W3.1.
A brief one liner so we know if it's worth the effort is not much to ask.
<Oh, and I use flwm now... (based on wm2) not totally perfect, but small
<and fast, plus I have the source and am working on my own version of it..
I'm trying out Caldara2.2 with KDE, interesting compared to slackware 3!
Allison
Greetings:
I have a Kennedy 9600 tape drive (cream and black, horizontal loading) on an
11/23 via a third party card. I have always used the 1600bpi setting, but
now have reason to read some old 800bpi tapes. The operating system is RT-11
v5.04, FB. I'm not sure if the drive supports 800bpi as alas I have no docs
for it at all. My crude test was going to be a backup of du1 (the floppy) to
ms0 (the kennedy) at PE setting and see how long it took and count the tape
forward movements. Then do the same with the drive set for NRZI and see if
it takes longer and generates more tape forward movements.
A "backup/dev du1: ms0:" set at PE works fine. The same command with a /ver
option also works fine. However, when I set NRZI, it looks like its backing
up, the tape cycles much more slowly forward, but eventually I get an RT-11
"output error". If the drive really doesn't support 800bpi, I would think it
wouldn't even try writing NRZI. So - my question is (given the above info) -
is the drive broke but only for 800bpi or am I doing something silly?
Thanks in advance!
jay West
Hey Mike:
In a message dated 7/5/99 12:44:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mikeford(a)netwiz.net writes:
> >For laughs I took a pair of the so called 60W per speakers, opened them
> >and put them on a 50w dummyload and measured them. They did 12W RMS at
>
> Fry me in butter if I'm wrong, but I think the FTC (Federal Trade
> Commission, the agency in the USA that enforces truth in advertising etc.)
> is pretty sick of these 500 watt wall wart powered speakers and plans to
> apply the same requirements on powered speakers as they do now for
> amplifiers.
Pardon my asking, but where did you hear this? It's just a little hard to
believe, since MS has lied, and lied, and lied about Windows 9x . . . and the
FTC doesn't bother them. Have you ever installed Win 95 or 98 (any release)
and read the "informative notes" which are displayed while the (seemingly)
endless file-copy is in progress?
"Windows 9x makes your computer more reliable"
"Windows 9x makes your computer easier to use"
"DOS programs run faster and more reliable"
"Windows 9x provides the features you want" (sure, Blue Screen of Death)
For a real laugh, "Windows is now (mis) configuring your hardware and any
Plug and Play (Pray) devices you may have"
If the FTC wants to go after an easy target re truth in advertising, they
need look no further than Redmond. IMHO, the claims MS makes are even more
outrageous than those of the Taiwanese speaker guys.
Glen Goodwin
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I grabbed the Consumer Price Index history off the web, pasted into Excel,
and applied the percentage changes cumulative from 1975.
One 1998 dollar = $2.95 in 1975 dollars (ouch, those Carter administration
years! Thank goodness for Greenspan)
Therefore, an assembled Altair 8800 with 4x2K static RAM, serial, parallel,
cassette, and bus expansion, $1880 in 1975 dollars, would be the equivalent
of $5546 today.
An Apple Lisa base configuration ($9995 in 1983 dollars) would be $16,169
today.
Kai
-----Original Message-----
From: John Foust [mailto:jfoust@threedee.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 10:45 AM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Re: State of the Hobby
At 11:02 AM 7/1/99 -0600, you wrote:
>
>In a recent auction on eBay, a MITS Floppy Disk Drive was auctioned off at
>$565. "WOW!" you may say, but that unit cost $1300 when new, and that was
>in dollars that were a DOLLAR, and not just the price of a candy bar.
I suppose there must be a web site, somewhere, that would let you enter
a date and a US dollar amount, and would show you the equivalent value
in today's dollars, accounting for actual inflation, etc. in the
intervening years.
Which reminds me, when I was in high school, we sold candy bars to
fund the purchase of a few K of RAM for the IMSAI as well as a floppy drive.
>I'm presently in the process of selling off excess 8" floppy drives for $5
each,
Similarly, you'd think there would be a web site somewhere to
remind people of the rapid devaluation of the value of computer
equipment - say, perhaps the flip side of Moore's Law, that shows
how simply purchasing and opening the box of a new computer causes
a significant drop in value, followed by subsequent halvings of
resale value every six months, until it quickly reaches the
"nuisance fee" level mentioned above, where the cost of shipping
and packing seems to exceed the street price.
- John
