test-drb October 1999

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216 participants
748 discussions

by bkennedy＠kcp.com

I found your newsgroup in a search for "RL02" on the internet. You probably think I am nuts. But, the real nuts are those at our company that refused to upgrade their older RT-11 operating systems and disk drivers years ago. So, I am looking for the DL.SYS system file for RT-11 version 3B. They are having to upgrade their Plesy RK05 disk drives to RL02s due to lack of replacement parts (they've used old systems to cabbage parts, but there are no more!). We programmers told them this would happen 10 years ago, but No ..o..o, they wouldn't listen. Most of us upgraded our PDP-11 systems to RT-11 Version 5.n many years ago, too. If you know another place to look for this, let me know. Thanks, Bev Kennedy, bkennedy(a)kcp.com ************************************************************ AlliedSignal Federal Manufacturing & Technologies This e-mail message has been scanned. ************************************************************

25 years, 1 month

Definition of Obsolete... (was: Re: gauging interest in VAX 6000-530

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>I still think people are bringing too much emotional baggage with the >word obsolete. If I tell you your PDP-11 is obsolete, I am not insulting >you or the computer. But I've got PDP-11 CPU's that were produced in the last 6 months, using very current technology. (In particular, see the Mentec M1 and M11 descriptions at http://www.mentec.com/, and see the QED 993 description at http://www.quickware.com/ ). -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

25 years, 1 month

FW: FS: Vintage ALTOS Mod. 5-15AD

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Anyone want an Altos? If so, respond to the folks below... -=-=- <snip> -=-=- On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:58:45 GMT, in seattle.forsale.computers you wrote: >>From: "vaklov" <vaklov(a)infomagic.com> >>Newsgroups: seattle.forsale.computers >>Subject: FS: Vintage ALTOS Mod. 5-15AD >>Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:58:45 GMT >>Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com >>Lines: 5 >>Message-ID: <01bf200d$d14e5a60$9ec571a5@default> >>X-Complaints-To: newsabuse(a)supernews.com >>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 >>Path: news1.jps.net!news-west.eli.net!news-chi-1.sprintlink.net!news-central.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!netnews.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail >>Xref: news1.jps.net seattle.forsale.computers:1124 >> >>First commercial minicomputer, working, Ser#50-31343. Make offer. >>-- >>James & Kathy Deaver >>Flagstaff, AZ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies -- kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech [dot] com Web: http://www.bluefeathertech.com "...No matter how we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them..."

25 years, 1 month

3rd MSCP disk controller?

by cmcmanis＠freegate.com

Anyone know the "default" CSR for the 3rd MSCP disk controller? (or have the CONFIGURE command handy?) --Chuck

25 years, 1 month

3rd MSCP disk controller?

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Anyone know the "default" CSR for the 3rd MSCP disk controller? (or have >the CONFIGURE command handy?) $ mcr sysgen config DEVICE> kda50 3 %SYSGEN-I-EQV_NOTICE, equivalent name - device KDA50 will be output as UDA DEVICE> Exit Device: UDA Name: PUA CSR: 772150 Vector: 154 Support: yes Device: UDA Name: PUB CSR: 760334* Vector: 300* Support: yes Device: UDA Name: PUC CSR: 760340* Vector: 304* Support: yes Note that the presence of a serial multiplexer will change things around a lot - for example: $ mcr sysgen config DEVICE> kda50 3 %SYSGEN-I-EQV_NOTICE, equivalent name - device KDA50 will be output as UDA DEVICE> dz11 1 DEVICE> Exit Device: UDA Name: PUA CSR: 772150 Vector: 154 Support: yes Device: DZ11 Name: TTA CSR: 760100* Vector: 300* Support: yes Device: UDA Name: PUB CSR: 760354* Vector: 310* Support: yes Device: UDA Name: PUC CSR: 760360* Vector: 314* Support: yes If you don't have a machine with CONFIGURE available, you can read Alan Frisbie's very excellent DECUS presentation on this subject at ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/hardware… -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

25 years, 1 month

Definition of Obsolete... (was: Re: gauging interest in VAX 6000-530

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that Mike Cheponis may have mentioned these words: >Sure, if the old stuff works, why change? (Even if it -is- obsolete!) >It does indeed make sense. I can honestly say that is where you and I differ greatly: the definition of "obsolete." My CoCo3 is *not* obsolete. It plays Rogue wonderfully (the PC port sucked canal water), keeps track of my coin collection (Dynacalc is a wonderful thing) and other tasks. My Atari ST isn't obsolete, either. I have a geneology program that works wonderfully, and I use it to print mailing lists - you don't need a PentiumIII to print mailing labels on a 24-pin... (Why don't I use my 15-year-old Epson LX-80? It didn't have tractor-feed... :-( ) Neither has a hard drive... they don't need one for the tasks which I find useful on them. Web browsing on either? I may be crazy, but I'm not stupid. ;-) They weren't designed for that, no more than a Hyundai was designed to pull a 32-foot travel trailer... [[BTW, just to clear things up - in a previous post you mentioned "and why more and more L2 cache is onboad the PIII modules." Hate to tell you this, but the PII & PIII's *never* changed their cache size or (relative) speed. 512K Level2 Cache, running at 1/2 clock speed of the processor. The Xeon processors (both PII & PIII versions) come in 512K, 1M & 2M cache sizes that run at the processor clock speed.]] Obviously, my definition is: If it still works, it's not obsolete. Just my $0.0000000000002 (USD), Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

25 years, 1 month

Production RT-11 3B user seeks DL.sys

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

I got a message from someone who tracked me down via some kind of web search looking for RL02 info. Please contact her directly if anyone can help. I don't have RT-11 v3B, so I can't check to see if there even _is_ an RL02 driver for it. -ethan ------- From: bkennedy(a)kcp.com | Block address To: "Ethan Dicks" Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:42:50 -0500 Subject: RT11 Version 3B RL02 system file I found your newsgroup in a search for "RL02" on the internet. You probably think I am nuts. But, the real nuts are those at our company that refused to upgrade their older RT-11 operating systems and disk drivers years ago. So, I am looking for the DL.SYS system file for RT-11 version 3B. They are having to upgrade their Plesy RK05 disk drives to RL02s due to lack of replacement parts (they've used old systems to cabbage parts, but there are no more!). We programmers told them this would happen 10 years ago, but No ..o..o, they wouldn't listen. Most of us upgraded our PDP-11 systems to RT-11 Version 5.n many years ago, too. If you know another place to look for this, let me know. Thanks, Bev Kennedy, bkennedy(a)kcp.com ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

25 years, 1 month

4K paper tape Basic for PDP 8 - I found out it does exist.

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 12:15 PM Subject: Re: 4K paper tape Basic for PDP 8 - I found out it does exist. >I've got a copy of the Edusystem BASIC tape. I'll see if I can read it in >from the teletype and upload it somewhere. That would gr8 chuck. Please email me with what kind of systems you have and a wish list. john (new email address) >--Chuck > >At 07:26 PM 10/25/99 -0400, you wrote: >>DEC released a 4K core paper tape basic for the edusystem. Does anyone have >>this basic program and can I get a copy of it or trade a copy for something? >

25 years, 1 month

compaq luggable available (fwd)

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Anyone need a Compaq luggable to round out their collection? Please reply directly to the original sender. Reply-to: kenmor(a)svpal.org ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:59:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken Morley <kenmor(a)svpal.org> Subject: compaq luggable I have what appears to be a Compaq 'lugable' that has a sick hard disk. It was used until 2 months ago to print labels for a mailing job, so all was fine. The disk may only need to be reformated, but I dont have the diskettes needed and just wanted a newer machine ( which we have managed find). It is yours if you want it. I dont want to throw it away. Ken Morley 2342 Lida Dr. Mtn. View, CA 94043-4210 kenmor(a)svpal.org Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out. VCF East? VCF Europe!? YOU BETCHA!! Stay tuned for more information or contact me to find out how you can participate http://www.vintage.org

25 years, 1 month

Amstrad 8256 available for donation (fwd)

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Anyone interested in an interesting CP/M compatible import from the UK? Please reply directly to the sender. Reply-to: kgsniagfalls(a)hotmail.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:35:47 PDT From: Kelly Smith <kgsniagfalls(a)hotmail.com> Subject: Amstrad 8256 available for donation 2740 Woodlawn Avenue Niagara Falls, NY 14301-1448 October 21, 1999 VCF 4275 Rosewood Dr. #29-161 Pleasanton, CA 94588 I found out about your web-site from the PBS show Net Cafe. I understand you take donations and I wonder if you'd be interested in an Amstrad PCW 8256 that uses the old 3-inch CF2 disks. I have everything that came with it originally -- printer, both manuals, 2 program disks (4 sides) -- Word Processor LocaScript on side 1, System/Utilities/Basic CP/M Plus on side 2, CP/M Plus Programming Utilities on side 3, and CP/M Plus Dr. Logo & Help on side 4. In addition, after using it for several years I had a 3 1/2 inch floppy drive added to it as drive B, which made it possible for me to transfer ASCII files created in the LocaScript program to 720 KB MF-2DD disks in DOS format so I could use them when I switched to a regular IBM compatible computer. If you're interested, the software I used for this is also available -- it's PCW 2-in-1, version 2.20, by Moonstone Computing of Glasgow U.K. The program is on one 3 inch CF2 disk and there's also a manual. It worked perfectly and although I knew very little about computers I found it easy to use. The Amstrad was in perfect working order the last time I used it, but that was six years ago. I turned it on yesterday and though the monitor came on I wasn't able to get it to boot up -- there was a different sound coming >from the old CF2 drive -- instead of the usual soft whirring there was a louder grinding sound. Other than being dusty I can't think what's wrong with it. It hasn't been moved or subjected to any extremes of temperature or humidity. Anyway, let me know if you're interested, and if so, can you tell me if you pay any of the shipping costs? I doubt very much that I'd be able to sell it, but it seems a shame to just throw it out in the trash. I think you're undertaking a very worthwhile project. Working in a library, I'm aware of the problem of not being able to access stranded information in obsolete formats and disk types. We must be able to preserve and access data, statistics, and scholarly research stored in these mediums -- otherwise we lose part of our history and the chance to build on the knowledge of our predecessors. If you can keep older equipment operational you'll provide a great service. Most sincerely, Kelly G. Smith Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out. VCF East? VCF Europe!? YOU BETCHA!! Stay tuned for more information or contact me to find out how you can participate http://www.vintage.org

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test-drb October 1999