test-drb October 1999

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by lance＠costanzo.net

At 01:00 AM 10/26/1999 -0700, you wrote: >I spent the weekend in San Diego and didn't buy a darn thing. I did see a >couple of interest though. The Ruben H Fleet science center has a room of >"computer history" complete with a 029 keypunch and some pictures on the Wow. I used to punch cards on one of those! :( That was an uptown machine, much better that the 026. I loved the little drum you could configure for tab stops. Lance Costanzo http://www.webhighrise.com System Administrator Website and Virtual Domain Hosting lance(a)costanzo.net starting at $5/month, no setup fees

24 years, 8 months

FW: PDP11 cabnets / Power Supplies available

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Found on Usenet. I would guess that "power supply" in this context refers to either the 861 or 874 series power controllers. So, if you need a pair of racks, please contact gman(a)apocalypse.org ASAP. -=-=- <break> -=-=- On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:06:23 -0400, in alt.sys.pdp11 you wrote: >>From: "Paul Schmitt" <pschmitt(a)cportcorp.com> >>Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp11 >>Subject: PDP11 cabnets / Power Supplies available >>Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:06:23 -0400 >>Lines: 20 >>Message-ID: <7v497k$pdt$1(a)autumn.news.rcn.net> >>X-Trace: np0m9fdKBlu4ZZAXJRM8//nzH+t0Z38Och77TKBATSE= >>X-Complaints-To: abuse(a)rcn.com >>NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Oct 1999 13:10:12 GMT >>X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 >>Path: news1.jps.net!news-west.eli.net!news-chi-1.sprintlink.net!news-central.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail >>Xref: news1.jps.net alt.sys.pdp11:248 >> >>Hi all, >> >>In a quest for PDP8 Cabinets I ran across a couple PDP-LSI-11 type cabinets >>and Power Supplies(kind of like finding 65' thunderbird parts when your >>restoring a 57' Chevy). By LSI-11 I refer to the later vintage white >>cabinets with rounded corners. The cabinets, 1 four foot and 1 six foot are >>in good condition - complete with good working casters, but very few front >>covers. Also included are two like 6" rack power supplies (one still >>brandy-new in the box). These are heavy items, and can be found about 30 >>minutes North of Boston. The owner would be happy to place them with >>someone who could use them. If you are interested send email to Steve Glass >>at gman(a)apocalypse.org. >> >> >>Good Luck. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies -- kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech [dot] com Web: http://www.bluefeathertech.com "...No matter how we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them..."

24 years, 8 months

what is a VXT 2000+

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 10/25/99 6:27:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, healyzh(a)aracnet.com writes: > Right... So, how hard did you laugh at him? Does he realize it's a fixed > freq monitor? > He resells lots of large monitors so he has a good idea of its value. He is bargainable but not arguable. He has sold many of these in the secondary market. It doesn't pay to laugh at scrappers. They like to cut the cords off machines. Paxton Portland, OR

24 years, 8 months

OT: how big would it be?

by donm＠cts.com

It would be really cool if some one were able to scan and make available this data sheet for those who are unable to find it. <If anyone wants to get this data sheet, it's reprinted on page 605 of the <'Student Manual for the Art of Electronics' by Thomas C Hayes and Paul <Horowitz (2nd Edition, ISBN 0-521-37709-9) - don

24 years, 8 months

Definition of Obsolete... (was: Re: gauging interest in VAX 6000-530

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>>Sure, if the old stuff works, why change? (Even if it -is- obsolete!) >>It does indeed make sense. >I can honestly say that is where you and I differ greatly: the definition >of "obsolete." One of my all-time favorite .sig lines (I forget whose it was) said: " Don't think of it as a `new' computer, think of it as `obsolete-ready' " While collectors may argue about "obsolete" - a term, that to my ears, smacks of PC-clone salesman-speak - in the world of business and industrial computing, platforms that are old and well-established are called "legacy systems". It's generally acknowledged that if a system does its job well and reliably, it is "legacy"; the mark of a non-legacy system is that it is under constant development, crashes often, and doesn't fill its design specs. Of course, here I'm talking about more than hardware, and more than hardware+software, but how a system fits into the real world and performs a useful function. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

24 years, 8 months

Definition of Obsolete... (was: Re: gauging interest in VAX 6000-530

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<One of my all-time favorite .sig lines (I forget whose it was) said: < <" Don't think of it as a `new' computer, think of it as `obsolete-ready' " To that I also add: "Stable mature systems we know how to use." Allison

24 years, 8 months

Beautiful U day

by lance＠costanzo.net

>lemay(a)cs.umn.edu writes: >> Well, it looks like the University of Minnesota is having another >> beautiful U day... this is something the latest U president came up with Just grab everything and anything that looks interesting. You can always dispose of it later if its not. Lance Costanzo | Speaker to Animals lance(a)costanzo.net | speaker(a)kzin.com http://www.webhighrise.com | http://www.kzin.com Website and Virtual Domain | PC Resources, Hosting starting at $5/month, | Accoutrements, no setup fees | and other oddities.

24 years, 8 months

Beautiful U day

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 10/25/99 9:32:34 PM US Eastern Standard Time, lemay(a)cs.umn.edu writes: > Well, it looks like the University of Minnesota is having another > beautiful U day... this is something the latest U president came up with > a few years ago, basically instead of departments on campus having to > pay to dispose of old and obsolete equipment, on a Beautiful U day, they > put out tons of bins all over campus, and the departments can toss in all > the old computers and such they want, and the university will pay the > disposal fees (as opposed to the individual departments paying). > > Anyways, this means there may be jems appearing soon. For example, > I just saw a HP 85 out in the hallway, I assume someone is jumping > the gun on cleaning their areas... Is anyone dieing to have a HP 85? > is there anything else I should be looking for? In the past few years, > I usualy have seen at least one Apple ][+, IBM PS/2's, etc. > sure would be nice to have all the memory simms out the PS/2s that get thrown out... Unfortunately, they always seem to command a premium price. if you can't grab entire machines, even cards or memory or even hard drives would be worth getting.

24 years, 8 months

Beautiful U day

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

Well, it looks like the University of Minnesota is having another beautiful U day... this is something the latest U president came up with a few years ago, basically instead of departments on campus having to pay to dispose of old and obsolete equipment, on a Beautiful U day, they put out tons of bins all over campus, and the departments can toss in all the old computers and such they want, and the university will pay the disposal fees (as opposed to the individual departments paying). Anyways, this means there may be jems appearing soon. For example, I just saw a HP 85 out in the hallway, I assume someone is jumping the gun on cleaning their areas... Is anyone dieing to have a HP 85? is there anything else I should be looking for? In the past few years, I usualy have seen at least one Apple ][+, IBM PS/2's, etc. Unfortunately, I'm severely strapped for space, so anything i grab, i would have to dispose of fairly soon. Obviously, if i see anything extremely rare i will grab it, but I dont know about stuff like the HP 85, or calculators, etc. So, I guess i'll just have to see whats available, grab it, and then post it to the list quickly. For those near the U of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, beautiful U day is this Wednesday. I imagine the como recycling lot will fill up with stuff very soon now (thats where I found my PDP 8/e 2 weeks ago). Anyways, just a heads up for those in or near minneapolis, and I guess an offer to trade a HP 85 (i'll ask if they are tossing it tomorrow, i already informed my janitor friends in that area that i want it). -Lawrence LeMay

24 years, 8 months

EISA? (Was: gauging interest in VAX 6000-530

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that Mike Cheponis may have mentioned these words: >(And, of course, most 486dx2/66 machines used at least an EISA bus [2], > running 32 bits at 8.33 MHz x two clock edges = 533 Mbits/sec.) [snip] >[2] Indispensable PC Hardware Book, 3rd edition, p. 552 [for reference inclusion] "Most" 486DX2/66's used EISA??? What's your definition of most? That book of yours has a rather skewed idea of what "most" means. Now, most "Server" 486's did have EISA AFAIK, but the server machines were an _extremely_ small portion of the total number of machines in the real world. (I actually had use of a retired Dell 486DX266 EISA low-end server. [Low-end being defined as: Adaptec 1542 ISA SCSI interface, non-ECC memory...] ) Certainly a nice machine, but by no means the most feature-filled server Dell produced at the time. The company I worked for at the time had roughly 400-500 486's deployed, with 75-100 being DX33 or faster. I think 3 machines there had EISA, and were all servers - not for use as a single-user machine until replaced by a faster server. BTW, those machines worked fairly well servicing around 100 users, but only 10-15% were at their desks at any one time - the rest of the machines were logged in but idle. Of course, with a 400 user 10Mbit (non-switched) ethernet network & 4 of these servers (the 4th was a PCI P60), by the time the servers started doing real work & were slowing down, ethernet collisions pretty much ground everything to a halt. Two more PCI P60 servers replaced the 3 EISA 486's, and my employer allowed me to take one home to work on - to replace the 4Mbyte 386SX16 I was running AutoCad 12 on - and doing renders. Let's just say that 486 was an extreme improvement. ;-) (Oh, and the servers were just file-sharing servers running Netware 3.11, for reference...) Again, just my $0.02 (CDN, this time) and not worth that... Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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test-drb October 1999