True Basic is the name of the version of the language published by Professor's
Kemeny and Kurtz, the inventors of the language. As far as I know the Basic
language has not been standardized by ANSI, ISO, or any other standards
organization. Can you provide more information?
Bob
> On 21 Sep 98, at 9:55, Dominique Cormann wrote:
>
> > Did they ever create a standard version of Basic like there is for C
> > (ansi c)?
>
> Yes, there is an ANSI BASIC standard. There is a version out for
> the PC (and the Mac I believe) called True BASIC which is ANSI
> standard. I'm sure there were others too.
>
>
> -----
> David Williams - Computer Packrat
> dlw(a)trailingedge.com
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I believe you can download the 80286 (AT) setup program from IBM's web
site. Last year I downloaded the POS setup diskette for the PS/2 60.
Marty
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Subject: Re: Help: IBM 5170
Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
Date: 9/19/98 8:13 PM
>
> Recently I bought 2 IBM 5170's (PC/AT) for 6 bucks. I bought these
> machines to add to my collection. Both of them say this when I boot up:
> "162 - System Options Not Set - (Run SETUP)"
That normally means that something has changed since the CMOS RAM was
configured.
> Both of them have a 512k System board. One only shows 256K of memory
> during memory test and the other one shows 512K but has a parity error.
Which version of the system board do you have? The older one has 36 RAM
chips, each one being a 128K*1 device (actually made from 2 DIPs soldered
together). The later one has 18 256K*1 bit devices on it. I have
schematics, etc for both boards.
The partiy error sounds like a RAM chip failing. Try reseating them, and
if it's the later version, try replacing the RAMs one at a time with
known-good ones. 256K*1 DRAMs are pretty easy to get, and the ones on the
system board are socketed.
> Is there any dip switches on the motherboard, and is SETUP a software
There are 2 switch-things on the system board (unless you count the
little 8-pin DIP postion behind the expansion slots that can be used to
fiddle with the ROM addressing).
One is a slide switch next to the power connector. In one position the
board is set up for an MDA display. The other way for a CGA one. I can't
remember which is which, but if you get it wrong, all that happens is
that it fails the POST and beeps. Flip the switch and try again.
The other is a jumper (J18) to the left of the speaker connector at the
front). This selects between 256K and 512K for RAM on the system board.
Check this is set the same way on both your boards.
> program?
Yes, SETUP is the program used to load the parameters into the CMOS RAM.
Unlike most modern PCs, this is not in ROM, but has to be loaded from
disk. There's a free clone (with source, I think) on Simtel somewhere. If
the parameters have got scrambled, then about the only thing it can boot
from is a 5.25" drive as A:
-tony
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> classic -- please give us examples of '86 boxen that _can't_ run an
> MS OS. And tell us how those are more "classic" than an XT.
Many of the 8088/8086 and x86 powered s100 crate were not native MSdos.
Many of them were CPM or Turbodos.
Allison
Anyone have the docs for the Dynabyte 16K Static RAM handy? I need to
know what each switch in the configuration blocks are for. I might be
able to figure it out from the system I have set up but it'd be nice to
know exactly what they all do.
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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Ever onward.
September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0
See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details!
[Last web site update: 09/12/98]
sleeeping.....sleeeping... sleeping in a Jar
(the Jar is under the bed)
[sorry... had a Zappa flashback just then. Please disregard.]
Ahem.
Encouraged by the success of my more recent uVAX resurrection, I
this evening powered up another one I have had for some time. It
doesn't do much. So I have some questions re: uVAX autism.
First off.. am I making a semantic error? The exact wording on
the badgeplate of the 'good' machine reads 'VAXSTATION II/RC' and
the dead one reads just 'VAXSTATION II'... all this time I have
been refering to them as 'MicroVaxes'. Dumb? Irrelevant? Crucial?
The VMS manual that I have (Thank you Bruce L. !!) seems to
correspond with the sofware as extant on GoodMachine.
DeadMachine is configured (externally) just the same as GM, ie.
all the switches and controls are at the same settings. I am using a
Decwriter III as the console, to have hardcopy.
Upon power-up, the LED display on the back shows 'A'. The fixed
disk, a Micropolis RD53-A, spins up and coasts down continuously.
Cycling 'HALT' on the front panel causes the usual 'break' monitor
printout and the pc state. The LED displays '8' and that's it... I
have let it go for 10 minutes....
I have checked the power supply voltages.. all nominal. I have
power-cycled the unit a few times.. same behavior. I have re-seated
the CPU and MEM cards.. no change.
In the absense of the System User Guides / Operating Manual /
Processor Handbooks.. I am stuck here. I remember a thread on the
disk drive's spin up/down routine, but I forgot the cause.
I will gladly pay for some more docs for these machines.. any
spare MicroVax Orange Notebooks out there??
Thanks in advance for any Info...
Cheers
John
> Can I recomend that you grab the parallel port FAQ off the web. Those
> printer ports are really 12 output lines and 4 input lines each. You can
> do all sorts of neat stuff with those. Like _directly_ control the
> stepper motors (or use some simple stepper control ICs). Hook up
> switches/sensors. You can do that from BASIC, but I think you have to be
> running MS-DOS and not Windows (cetainly not 95 or NT), since that tends
> to get in the way of direct port access.
>
That's not a problem. I'm using a Tandy 1000TX running DOS 3.2, and
GW-BASIC 3.11
> Using the electronics from the printer, faking it so it thinks it's still
> connected to a printer, and the using the motors seems a rather complex
> way to do it, actually.
Maybe. I'm just trying to get something to work, first, then I'll improve
it and make it easier to use after it works.
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
Yup. Can't read my own scrawly handwriting.
EDSAC Simulator: www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~edsac
Possible Bart Simpson blackboard punishment writing:
I will not post screwed-up URLs
I will not post screwed-up URLs
I will not post screwed-up URLs
I will not.......
Again... my apologies to those who got treated to error messages
when all they wanted was some antique Fun.
Sheeeshhhh!!
John
< That means I could run it on my IBM PC Convertible. Is this true?
<
< Megan
Yes it would. You do need a hard disk as the install kit is some 5 disks.
plus dos.
Allison
