ELKS worked more or less last time I checked it. I think Minix is a
lot better for the purpose, though.
I've seen several attempts at UNIX for the Commodore, but never tried
them. are they anything like UNIX, or just demo UNIX look-alikes?
(The difference is that when you type ls on one, it executes assembly
or C code, and when you do it on the other, it has a bit of code:
300 IF A$ = "ls" THEN LOAD "$",8,1 )
>On this list, "classic" means 10 years old or older, for the most part.
>The 386 already qualifies. However, there is a project (stalled?) to
get
>Linux running on some older 8-bitters:
> http://www.linux.org.uk/ELKS-Home/index.html
>
>-- Doug
>
>
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At 01:16 21-09-98 -0400, you wrote:
>> Anybody know where I can get an IBM 360/30?
>
>No. And I would _seriously_ drive across the country to get any S/360 or
>370. Maybe even for an S/3 or S/7.
Can't agree more with you on that William!
>
>> It would be fun to port Linux
>> to that, although the lack of paging would be a bit of a problem. One of
>> the cool things about the 360/30 is that you can alter the microcode using
>> a standard keypuch machine.
>
>A real problem, I would say. The Model 30s were just about the runts of
>the family, and could only have 8 to 64 K of storage.
>
>I would think that putting Linux on an S/370 would be just a bit easier,
>but still cool enough to matter (circa 1974!). But I think there are less
>S/370s out there than S/360s (I know of _one_ S/370, and it belongs to
>IBM. S/360s, at least, number more than 10, probably).
Less S/370s out there? I would think, since they are more recent vintage,
there would be more. Any reason why? I'll keep my eyes peeled for you though.
>
>And by S/370, I mean _real_ S/370, with the cool panels. Not the beige
>boxes IBM made in late 1970s, dropping the S/370 name.
Yeah, even my beige box 9370 is boring as heck to look at :-( (It's a CMOS
version of the S/370 from 1987/88.) No interesting front panels, can't
tinker with hardware much at all, etc. Pah!
Later this winter, William, I'll be trying to get the bugs worked out of
that thing as to IPL failures. I still have to move it over from the old
house to its new home in a nicely remodeled basement workarea. It'll set
beside the PDP-11 racks I still need to haul outta the garage before
winter. All this stuff is _heavy_. Oh, my sore back!
Anyway, O Honorable Listmembers, stand by for a request from me for VSE OS
documentation of any sort and perhaps some IPL troubleshooting.
--Chris
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Dominique Cormann wrote:
>William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net> wrote:
>> > BASIC RULES!
>>
>> What are the BASIC rules?
>Did they ever create a standard version of Basic like there is for C
>(ansi c)?
Yes, there are at least two ANSI standards, and one maybe-never-quite-
adopted ANSI working committee standard:
ANSI X3.60-1978, _American National Standard for the Programming Language
Minimal Basic_. This is a *very* minimal basic, lacking things like
strings and files.
ANSI X3J2 working committee BASIC. AFAIK this was never officially
adopted as an ANSI standard, despite the fact that the committee must've
worked on it for over a decade. In _BYTE_ 1982:6 p182, you'll find
Thomas Kurtz (yes, *the* Kurtz of Dartmouth) describing the draft
standard as it then existed, and he actually sold a working version of
this called "True BASIC". It does things in very different ways from
just about every other BASIC (the string syntax is entirely different,
looking more like Fortran-77 style character-addressable strings, and
the math is actually *decimal* math!)
ANSI X3.113-1987 "Full BASIC". I believe this to be the standard that
the X3J2 committee eventually settled on. Penware's NKR BASIC claims to be
an implementation of this standard, though I've never actually seen
it in use.
Bywater BASIC (by Ted Campbell, and often implemented on Unix-type
machines by the executable "bwbasic") claims to be a superset of X3.60-1978
and a subset of X3.113-1987. It's available under the terms of the Gnu
Public License.
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< As a software geek, C is quite portable, as long as you keep several
< things in mind, like shorts are at least 16 bits, longs are at least 32
< bits, ints are at least 16 bits and can't be longer than a long, and don
< use functions not defined in the Standard C library (or stuff you've
< written).
Those things are or should be a given for any language. The problem in
all cases is when you talk to hardware, soon as you do that portability
is likely broken. This has always been true and until hardware is reduced
to one uniform platform (gag!). That is unlikely.
< > It's almost as bad as those web pages that come up
< > and *insist* that you change your graphics mode to 640x480 or
< > some other particular size - why do folks insist on starting with a
< > nice general information-based document standard and then turn it int
< > a nonportable one???!!!
See hardware and portability.
Allison
At 09:32 PM 9/18/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>I thought of doing two of those, put wheels on the steppers, use two to
>push it around in various directions, mount a pair plastic replicas of
>table-saw blades on the drive motors
Sounds like my friends who build robots for the Bay area "robot wars"
competitions. They do incorporate truly deadly weapons in their
remote-control 'bots, including spinning saw blades.
- John
Gang, some jerk is trying to use my site as a spam relay. If you get
ANYTHING coming from litterbox.com that looks like a sex add please
let me know and accept my humble apology. We've found where the attack
is coming from and have sent e-mail to their hostmaster.
--
Jim Strickland
jim(a)calico.litterbox.com
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At 05:01 PM 9/19/98 -0700, Sam wrote:
>
>Rumor has it that Chuck Peddle of 6502 and Commodore PET fame will be
>found walking the halls of VCF 2.0.
So you found him? Who won your contest for the VCF lifetime pass?
- John
All,
Another announcement of possibly useful stuff on
comp.sys.dec.micro. Contact him not me and I can't vouch for him.
- Mark
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Anyone interested in unused(shrinkwrapped) ultrix manuals - 4.6 I
believe.. let me know before I dump them... also some uniplex manuals.
Complete set of both .....
Don
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