test-drb June 1998

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Old computer books (was: Re[2]: Quarter classics (was: Big

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

>Now remember the PERQ again, and think back to the start of this (long) >thread. The PERQ happens to be the first commercial machine that would >now be classed as a workstation. For that reason alone it should not be >forgotten. But few people have ever heard of it (OK, not on this list >since I do go on about it :-)), or seen one. Which comes back to the >original point. Where should the average man in the street go to see the >machines that led up to the PC he's now using (I'll assume Windows, if >only because it's the most common OS). There's been a lot of talk of talk recently about preserving ROM images and the like so that the machines will still be usable generations >from now. But isn't the history of these machines and of how they were designed just as important as the computer itself? Who cares how much enjoyable it is to read, just so long as the information exists. Tom Owad (whom luckily, isn't knowledgable enough to write a book about classic computers :-) Sysop of Caesarville Online Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>

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Old computer books (was: Re[2]: Quarter classics (was: Big

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

The problem being that we don't know most of that >But isn't the history of these machines and of how they were >designed just as important as the computer itself? > Who cares how much enjoyable it is to read, just so long as the >information exists. > >Tom Owad (whom luckily, isn't knowledgable enough to write a book about >classic computers :-) > >Sysop of Caesarville Online >Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/> > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Way to identify original IBM-PC?

by manney＠lrbcg.com

>Hi, > >I was wondering if there's a surefire way of telling if an IBM-PC has its >original motherboard, without opening the case. I saw one at the >Salvation Army today and was considering dragging it home (though I >decided to take another machine instead). > >The machine did have a cassette port in the back, with a femal DIN >connector. Is this attached to the motherboard? Yes, it is. > >The machine also had a full complement of cards in its slots, with lots of >ports coming out of it. And a 3.5" drive that was poorly fitted into the >case. The 3.5" drive requires a special controller card that I find rare. Snag it! > >I'm wondering if I should make a trip downtown sometime this weekend, with >the car. > > >Doug Spence >ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca >http://alcor.concordia.ca/~ds_spenc/ > >

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes..

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<competitor. Most Windows CE devices run off of UNIX-style processors, a What's a unix style processor? Allison

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Way to identify original IBM-PC?

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Can't you also tell by the BIOS date?? I seem to remember that the original PC had one of three BIOS dates: 4/24/81, 10/19/81, and 10/27/82. This in combination with looking for a cassette port should be a good way to tell. ================================== Rich Cini/WUGNET - Charter ClubWin! Member (6) - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Collector of classic computers <<========== Reply Separator ==========>>

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes..

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Yep. I knew most of those. And SPARCs, PPC's, and, if you really want to go on a limb, anything that runs Linux. I was talking about processors, generally associated with UNIX, that also run Windows CE devices. Ciao, Tim -----Original Message----- From: Allison J Parent <allisonp(a)world.std.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, June 27, 1998 5:38 PM Subject: Re: OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes.. > ><A processor from a company who's highest-end products are UNIX based, and ><similiar version (IE in the same family, such as Pentium is in the x86 ><family). Most Windows CE devices are based on HP/NEC PA-RISC (IIRC) ><processors, or SGI MIPS processors. > >Then Alpha, ARM, PDP-11, VAX, 680xx and sundry others are also since they >all run unix. > >careful about retrorevisionist terminology... > >Allison >

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Overhyped Innovations (was Re: OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes..

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Wasn't the i960 (the new Fast Ethernet chip) based on 432 archeticture? < Ciao, First of all the I960 is not a new eithernet chip it's off the high end single chip micro end where the 8096 and 80860 lived. 432 based... not even close. The 432 was a data object oriented system with a very unique bus. Aimed at ADA and Pascal type languages. Allison

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OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes..

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<A processor from a company who's highest-end products are UNIX based, and <similiar version (IE in the same family, such as Pentium is in the x86 <family). Most Windows CE devices are based on HP/NEC PA-RISC (IIRC) <processors, or SGI MIPS processors. Then Alpha, ARM, PDP-11, VAX, 680xx and sundry others are also since they all run unix. careful about retrorevisionist terminology... Allison

26 years, 5 months

Overhyped Innovations (was Re: OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes..

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Wasn't the i960 (the new Fast Ethernet chip) based on 432 archeticture? Ciao, Tim -----Original Message----- From: Allison J Parent <allisonp(a)world.std.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, June 27, 1998 4:32 PM Subject: Re: Overhyped Innovations (was Re: OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes.. > ><I remember back in '98 when Doug Yowza wrote: ><> The Z8000. The iAPX432. Parallel processing. Voice recognition. >< ^^^^^^^ ><So you actually posess a 432 based machine? Impressive. I have only ><really heard about them in literature. Always sounded interesting. > >I have Intel docs for them. Old now, like early 80s. > >Allison >

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Info wanted: Digital RZ23 SCSI Drive

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi John, RZ23 = 104 MB RZ23L = 121 MB cheers, emanuel

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