At 08:30 PM 11/8/98 -0800, you wrote:
> I couldn't get a Lisa for under $2000, but I could find a D-machine for
> less than a tenth of that.
If you hear of a d-machine for sale, *please* let me know. I, and several
others around here, would definitely like to get ours up and running, and I
need (at the least) a hard drive and cables.
(But man, am I *stoked* about having it! 8^)
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San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
I've found a cache of Syquest 88mb cartridges... rather than
throw them out, I'd like to try to use them. Anyone have an
88mb drive they are otherwise discarding, or one they are
planning on selling? Please contact me...
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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< I've even gotten a Zip drive to work with a Tandy 1000 by making an
< adapter for the edge card printer connector on that machine. If I
< was a _real programmer_ myself, I guess I'd have figured out how to
< connect it to my Tandy Z-80 and 68000 equipment.
The Syquest I have is a parallel port version but the drive internal is
IDE. I'd love to figure out how to do parallel port driver for CPM
hardware (I'd create a Bidirectional port as it's simple). The laternat
is a IDE interface as that's been done and is relatively easy other than
writing the bios.
Allison
< Another project in the tapes is an 'OS' based on a Byte book called
< 'Threaded Interpretive Languages' - just curious what opionions
< are out there about FORTH as an 8-bit os. It seemed like just
< the right balance of control - not as terse as assembly, and
< not as handcuff'd as BASIC.
Forth is a good language for 8bit cpus. It also suffers from a
love/hate thing. People either love it or hate it. The Walnut Creek
CDrom had several versions of Forth on it including FIG Forth.
< APL? Is there a Tiny-C available somewhere?
I have Tiny-c Interpreter manual and listings for both PDP-11 and 8080.
You would ahve to resolve copyright issues as it's not public domain.
It was inexpensive and sources provided but otherwise standard copyright.
FYI: it was supplied in many formats
Another language was BASEX and that was also a Paperbytes book. It was a
cross between asm and basic. It's features were compiled, fast, compact
and sources provided. The version I have ran under NS*dos.
Allison
Here's a stretch. Is there anyone on the list that has a Mini Moog or
other vintage analogue synthesizer they would like to trade or sell?
If so or if you just want to rant at me for this OT post, please email
me privately.
Thanks,
Marty
email marty(a)itgonline.com
At 09:31 AM 11/11/98 -0800, you wrote:
>I frequently get given 286 and 386 computers as well as hearing about people
[...]
>A couple of places I have found: people who need word processing, but can't
>afford a computer; elementary school classrooms where the district either
>won't or can't buy computers for them; some "rescue mission" type places
The problem with these solutions is either that you need to take the time
to set them up and test them and do some training, or the organization
does. If they have such system in place, then great. If they have a
techie that volunteers, wonderful, but to just dump a bunch of '286's on a
school or shelter will only serve to eat up needed storage space.
I work with my girlfriend's school to keep a bunch of older macs running
and usable. Every summer, I lug them home so they don't get stolen, and
every fall I lug them back, test them, and get them set up. If you have
an older Mac (or even a newer mac!) that you want to get rid of, by all
means, let me know.
But we're not set up to handle PC's at the moment -- I don't have the time
to set them up/test them/train the teachers, we don't have software for
them, and there's no one else at the school who could do anything with them.
So, while I'm all in favor of the concept, I have to say that in practice,
it doesn't always work out as it should. You may find yourself doing a lot
of work that you don't have time for, or the organization may thank you
profusely as they shove them out the back door into the dumpster.
Old tech is very useful, if you know what to do with it. The mainstream
computer industry (ChumpUSA, TV Shows, AOL, etc.) does not provide that
support. Without it, old tech is worthless.
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
Ok, the customized 4K Altair BASIC lives as a 3 minute track on
an audio CD (still trying to make a backup of the original cassette
format to go with the short boot loader - that's trickier), and
working on getting an 8K Altair BASIC on fresh media (need that
to run a REAL Startrek).
Another project in the tapes is an 'OS' based on a Byte book called
'Threaded Interpretive Languages' - just curious what opionions
are out there about FORTH as an 8-bit os. It seemed like just
the right balance of control - not as terse as assembly, and
not as handcuff'd as BASIC.
What other 8-bit languages/os's were there? What ever happened to
APL? Is there a Tiny-C available somewhere?
Chuck
cswiger(a)widomaker.com
At 12:36 PM 11/11/98 PST, you wrote:
>Word processing is best. I really don't recommend giving computers to
>schools because the teachers are often incompetent, and the computers
>will often sit doing nothing. A better solution is to give them to
Not incompetent. Untrained. You try getting 30 kids to sit quietly, let
alone teach them to read, and see how well you do. Try managing a class so
that the kids don't go wild when one of the kids pukes or wets his pants,
and so that a kid with a speech impediment or burn scars isn't made fun of.
Try teaching kids that violence is not a solution and selling drugs is not
a viable career path, when they routinely see people killed and their whole
family lives in a one room apartment.
I've tried it, I've seen it done, and believe you me, anything you can do
with a computer is a *piece of cake* compared to teaching.
Teachers are not incompetent. They may be untrained in the use of older
computers, but they are not incompetent. Why not take some time and teach
them how to use them? Dig up some software that will run on them that they
can use in the classroom. Volunteer to help set up their classrooms or
type up lesson plans, so they have the *time* to learn how to work an
antiquated computer. Show up at 7am and leave at 6pm like they do and see
how much energy you have for playing with computers.
For the last 8 or 9 years, I have been dating a woman who is probably the
best educator in the bay area, if not the state. I have seen the hoops
teachers have to go through, the work they do, and the abuse they take so
that they can help the kids that are entrusted to them. I have seen
parents who beat their kids, who write, in big red letters on the kid's
homework, that they are not the kid's teacher and that the work is too hard
for their kid, who don't bother showing up to care for their kids, let
alone get them to school.
Teachers are not incompetent. They may be overworked, underpaid, looked
down upon, subject to ridiculous expectations, forced to conform to a rigid
system when dealing with individual children with separate and distinct
needs, but they are not incompetent.
Max, I hate to put it this way, but you're a kid. You don't know what
you're talking about. Generally, it's not a problem, but in this case,
you've said something that is not only blatently untrue, but very hurtful
as well.
Perhaps you have had problems with your teachers -- How much of that was
your fault? Perhaps the teachers haven't been able to focus solely on what
you want to learn -- you're not the only kid in the class, and the other
kids have just as much right to be there as you do. Perhaps you think the
teachers haven't done enough for you -- but have you stopped to see how
much they really do? (Including the hours they put in at school and
elsewhere, and how much of their personal money they spend on you?)
Sorry for the EduRant, but too often, teachers are blamed for the problems
we as a society create, and it pisses me off.
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
At 09:42 AM 11/12/98 -0500, cswiger wrote:
>
>Another project in the tapes is an 'OS' based on a Byte book called
>'Threaded Interpretive Languages' - just curious what opionions
>are out there about FORTH as an 8-bit os. It seemed like just
>the right balance of control - not as terse as assembly, and
>not as handcuff'd as BASIC.
I've got that book, and once used it to write a TIL for the C-64.
- John
Phil,
Where are you located? How much did they want for it?
Thanks,
Jon
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>Saw the most bazare IBM Electronic Wordprocessor/Typewriter at a local Thrift
>today.
>A Big Electronic IBM Typewriter (Ball Type), attached to a Hugh Mag Card
>reader, its
>a floor unit that must weigh 100lbs.. Apparently stores letters in its memory
>and then can store
>it contents on on some sort of magnetic striped card.. This thing is large
>enough to house a
>minicomputer in it, but is nothing but is nothing more than a memory storage
>device..
>The cable that attaches the two units (Typewriter & Floor unit) must be 1 inch
>thick and
>about 10 foot long... Must be one of the first electronic typewriters IBM
>produced with
>actual storage.. Anyone want it ? A real collectors item...
>
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