test-drb November 1998

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185 participants
940 discussions

by franke＠sbs.de

>> But these are prety tough compared to traditional magnetig >> medias (and after All, a Zip is just a high class diskette). > >>> Air filters? Ha! They have nothing but a shutter on the cartridge and a door >>> flap on the drive. Absolute rubbish. It's miraculous that they work even for >>> a few weeks. >> Same has been said on 8" FD: These will be damaged within hours >> when the head engraves any particle ... But they worked well >> and all FD technologies thereafter. >> And on the other hand - in what way poor iomega could >> gain this amount of money, other than selling cheap >> tech at monopol prices. > I've had good results from Iomega hardware and media ever since the > days of the 10 Mb 8" drives that backed up the data on a Tandy 6000 > Xenix system. I remember these - nice piece of HW, I had two running without any problem on an IBM-XT. > The decision to go with the Zip over the Syquest > EZ135 wasn't much of a contest. [1] A lot of my customers at the > end of the Eighties had serious problems with their Syquest drives Never had these - since the 44MB drives for the Atari I've been using syquests all the time without any hassle or breakdown. I had almost any type they offered. > and [2] somebody wrote a device driver for the parallel Zip-100 for > Linux and I felt no need to add a SCSI interface to my notebooks. :) I use SCSI on all my computers (if possible) starting >from my Apple ][+ in 1984, so this is no issue at all. > I've even gotten a Zip drive to work with a Tandy 1000 by making an > adapter for the edge card printer connector on that machine. If I > was a _real programmer_ myself, I guess I'd have figured out how to > connect it to my Tandy Z-80 and 68000 equipment. Nice idea - Has anyone a (generic) ATA implementation for the Z80 and drivers for MS-DOS filesystem under CP/M ? This could be worth do develop. Gruss hans -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

25 years, 8 months

Updates to Secret Weapons of Commodore

by ckaiser＠oa.ptloma.edu

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25 years, 8 months

Old, but not "Classic"

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< I believe Allison has a model 50Z (a 286 also) running Windows for her s < The PC/XT class may be junkers for them though. It does run win3.1 just fine and 3.11 as well but, Netscape is out of the question. The problem is with only 1mb of ram you swap like mad for some apps and others can't load enough of their resident portion to execute. My machine only has 1mb of ram. While 2mb would help it would still fall short in the ram derby as most apps want 4-8mb at least. I'd advise that anything 386/8mb and above would be the minima for being able to run most desireable packages. Even a lowly 386sx/16 would be faster than any 286 and adding memory is a lot easier. It has more to do with expandability and availability. Oh, I've seen a 386DX/33 with 64k cache, 16mb ram running W95 and it's slow but very useable. More ram is needed to avoid slow swapping. It sounds wacky but with 386s around here bing free or nearly so they are a resource that is underrated. FYI: a 386 runs linux very well but for educational use (computer science type stuff) MINIX is desireable as it's smaller and runs real well in 2-4mb on small (40mb) hard disks using any system from 8088 and up. It's loadable from a dozen floppies. Using even a lowly 386sx/16 it seems to fly. I have not had success using it on a 286(most any) but it's supposed to work so likely my lack of expertize with the OS is more the problem. It's really a compatability and availability thing. Most XT class machines are really most useful for control apps and simple programing. The ISA-8 bit bus and their low cost make them good for hacking. The 286 class machines are good for cusp apps where in the right use they may fit in a modern network. Generally both suffer from lack of speed, not enough ram (286s) and sometimes lack the ubiquious 3.5"/1.44 floppy. The very early 386s suffer from incompatability by using SIPPs for ram or other oddities and bizzare BIOSs. Still they may be usable. I've found that 386 machines that use SIMMs (most are 30 pin), 3.5" drives and IDE (or adaptable for same) with VGA or bettter to be generally useful where a PII or 486 would fit with allowance for speed. The latter is good as here I'm inclined to swap around IDE hard drives and if it boots/ runs on a 486 I've never had trouble with it booting/running on a 386 system. The latter being important in a classroom enviornment where you want every one to be able to do the same thing the same way(and get the results at the same time!). Allison

25 years, 8 months

Clear calculators was Re: Deja Vu Again (was Re: Hayes S100 modem

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

If you're interested in that kind of thing, there were three clear TI calculators that just sold on E-OverPay. Joe At 02:20 PM 11/9/98 -0600, you wrote: >On Mon, 9 Nov 1998, Hans Franke wrote: > >> > 4) clear pilot >> >> Huh ? never heared of. > >Some Pilot aficionado recently told me that Palm also made a clear version >which I think they sold to developers at a developers conference. (There >are a lot of ex-Newton guys at Palm; maybe it was their idea :-) Anyway, >take a popular machine and make a "special issue", and you've got an >instant collecible. > >> (And add the REX) > >I only listed machines which I thought would become very collectible. The >REX will be collectible by niche collectors like me and you, but it >doesn't have enough popular mythology behind it to ever bring big bucks. >(Yes, I have one.) > >-- Doug > >

25 years, 8 months

CompuCorp "Micro Computer"

by Marty＠itgonline.com

Thanks Alex. I have one of these calculators and have been looking for info on it. Marty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: CompuCorp "Micro Computer" Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 11/12/98 4:54 PM Hey List, I just put a short article with some photographs of the guts of a couple of CompuCorp "Micro Computer" (at least that's what _they_ called them) calculators on my web site. They might weigh 3 1/2 pounds but some folks call them pocket calculators. There's a 4-chip processor boards inside, along with Intel 2102 RAM, and 24K bits of ROM. Late 1972-early 1973 vintage. The article is linked off of both my "desktop" and "pocket" calculator pages on my web site. Alex Knight Calculator History & Technology Archive Web Page http://aknight.home.mindspring.com/calc.htm ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Nov12.165451.1767.77342; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:54:52 -0500 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id NAA21673; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:52:30 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id NAA33488 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:52:10 -0800 Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA26 484 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:52:09 -0800 Received: from nrtpq79.rtp.bnr.ca (user-38ldb79.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.172.233]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA17110 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:52:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19981112163603.00697a14(a)mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:36:03 -0500 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Alex Knight <aknight(a)mindspring.com> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: CompuCorp "Micro Computer" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: aknight(a)mindspring.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

25 years, 8 months

CompuCorp "Micro Computer"

by aknight＠mindspring.com

Hey List, I just put a short article with some photographs of the guts of a couple of CompuCorp "Micro Computer" (at least that's what _they_ called them) calculators on my web site. They might weigh 3 1/2 pounds but some folks call them pocket calculators. There's a 4-chip processor boards inside, along with Intel 2102 RAM, and 24K bits of ROM. Late 1972-early 1973 vintage. The article is linked off of both my "desktop" and "pocket" calculator pages on my web site. Alex Knight Calculator History & Technology Archive Web Page http://aknight.home.mindspring.com/calc.htm

25 years, 8 months

Xerox 8010 Star Hard Drives

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Can anyone tell me if the 8010 Stars used Quantum 2080 8" hard drives. I have been sorting the whse and ran across 3 of these. My memory says they were removed from working 8010s but at my age I find my memory is faulty. Paxton

25 years, 8 months

This is totally off topic

by Marty＠itgonline.com

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: This is totally off topic Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 11/12/98 2:37 PM > On 9 Nov 98 at 22:09, Bob Wood wrote: > > > Only because of his post to this list and > > with only an email address to go on I was able to > > make contact with the owner of these macines. [...] > > To make a long story short, I was able to purchase > > seven of the thirteen machines at a fraction of their > > value. > >>Great ! I'm glad you're still here despite the puritanical critics. I > >>>consider you a resource like so many others on this remarkable > >>mail-list. If I ever get down to Fla. I'd love to see your > >>collection even if all your Altairs are sold. :^)) > I second Larry's opinion. Good for you Bob. You get a lead and follow > it up, do some leg work and get rewarded. That's how I've picked up > much of the equipment I have. >>Hear! Hear! Not only is this list good for information, but it can be >>exploited for profit too! I think your'e jealous of Bob. I am too. I wish I had found all those Altairs. Hey! A vintage arcade game would be nice also. >>I'm sure that Bob's revelation that he was able to use information from >>this list to find items "at a fraction of their value" couldn't >>possibly have a chilling effect on the free flow of information here. >>It's not like we assume that we're among like-minded collectors or >>anything. One man's trash is another's treasure. The seller got rid of 'junk' taking up space then got money, Bob got some great additions to his collection and makes a profit to boot. Sounds like a great ending to me. I see nothing wrong with making money while furthering your hobby. >>BTW, anybody know where there might be a dusty Picaso lying around >>someplace? Try the Louvre in Paris, I'm certain you'll find several works by Piccaso. Marty -- Doug ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Nov12.143712.1767.77301; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:37:16 -0500 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id LAA26157; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:35:07 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id LAA20574 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:34:59 -0800 Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA13 702 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:34:54 -0800 Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA10717 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:34:50 -0600 Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.3.95.981112132256.5800B-100000(a)behemoth.host4u.net> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:34:47 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: This is totally off topic In-Reply-To: <1998Nov12.085653.1767.158865(a)smtp.itgonline.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> X-Sender: yowza(a)behemoth.host4u.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

25 years, 8 months

Have cartridges, need drive...

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

I think my wife was planning on selling her 200mb drive, which is capable of reading 88 and 44mb carts as well. -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist MS Age of Empires & Age of Empires ][ > -----Original Message----- > From: mbg(a)world.std.com [SMTP:mbg@world.std.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 1998 11:53 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Have cartridges, need drive... > > > I've found a cache of Syquest 88mb cartridges... rather than > throw them out, I'd like to try to use them. Anyone have an > 88mb drive they are otherwise discarding, or one they are > planning on selling? Please contact me... > > Megan Gentry > Former RT-11 Developer > > +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ > | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | > | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | > | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | > | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | > | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | > | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | > +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

25 years, 8 months

This is totally off topic

by Marty＠itgonline.com

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: This is totally off topic Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 11/12/98 5:10 AM On 9 Nov 98 at 22:09, Bob Wood wrote: > Yes it is totally off topic but I would be remiss > if I did not say THANK YOU to whoever it was who > posted. > > Three weeks ago a post came across this list which > which stated that someone was wanting to sell thirteen > old arcade machines. The poster further stated that > he was posting this message only because he thought > these might be computer games. > > Only because of his post to this list and > with only an email address to go on I was able to > make contact with the owner of these macines. > > I learned that these were all priceless turn of the > century era penny arcade machines that had been > used at Disneyland in Anaheim and later at Disney World > in Orlando. I further learned that > they were going to be sold in an obscure auction in > Florida (I am in Florida) three days later. > > To make a long story short, I was able to purchase > seven of the thirteen machines at a fraction of their > value. > > The surfacing of these thirteen pieces is one of > the most significant finds of this type item in the > last ten years. > I have been collecting coin operated antiques for > twenty five years. This is the first time in all > those years that I have ever had an opportunity > to buy even one example of this type item. Because > someone posted the message to this list I now > am proudly in possesson of seven of them. > > THANKYOU, whoever you were. > > Bob Wood > >>Great ! I'm glad you're still here despite the puritanical critics. I >>>consider you a resource like so many others on this remarkable >>mail-list. If I ever get down to Fla. I'd love to see your >>collection even if all your Altairs are sold. :^)) >>ciao larry >>lwalker(a)interlog.com I second Larry's opinion. Good for you Bob. You get a lead and follow it up, do some leg work and get rewarded. That's how I've picked up much of the equipment I have. Marty ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Nov12.051056.1767.77146; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 05:10:56 -0500 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id CAA20411; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 02:08:55 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id CAA38150 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 02:08:51 -0800 Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root(a)smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id CAA03 414 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 02:08:51 -0800 Received: from 209-20-0-127.dialin.interlog.com (209-20-0-127.dialin.interlog.com [209.20.0.127]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA27195; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 05:08:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811121008.FAA27195(a)smtp.interlog.com> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 06:03:18 +0000 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Lawrence Walker" <lwalker(a)mail.interlog.com> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: This is totally off topic In-Reply-To: <19981110060915.29070.qmail(a)hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: "Bob Wood" <altair8800(a)hotmail.com>, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

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