--- Phil Clayton wrote:
Can anyone tell me how to make a boot disk for the MAC SE..
There are two hard drives on my MAC SE, lots of stuff there,
but I don't know how or what to look for to make a boot or operating
disk..
Is there a directory like DOS or somthing on the hard drive..?
Can someone help...?
Phil....
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If there's no directory (folder) on either hard drive called "System Folder," then they won't boot. If there IS such a folder and they still don't boot, then system files may be missing or damaged. At the bare minimum, a Mac needs a System Folder containing two files, "System" and "Finder." Realistically, you need some other stuff too, but under system software earlier than 7, that should be enough to boot the machine. Likewise, a floppy disk with that folder and those two files will also start up the SE.
I think that Apple has old system software available from their ftp site (my school's public fileserver has versions up through 7.1, therefore those systems are probably freely available from Apple). You would probably want to download disk images for system version 6.0.5 or 6.0.8 (there should be four 800k disks), make floppies out of them, then boot with the "System Tools" disk and run the installer. It will make whichever hard drive you choose be a bootable volume. The "System Tools" and "Utilities 1" diskettes are both bootable -- Utils 1 has Disk First Aid for basic diagnostics and directory repairs, and HDSC Setup for initializing or formatting a hard disk. You can also make a bootable hard drive by drag-copying the system folder from one of the floppies to your hard drive, but it's better to use the installer so you get all the goodies and doodads beyond the minimum system.
If you can't find disk images, I can email or ftp them to you.
-- MB
It really depends where you are. Here in Boston, a largely academic
city, 386 computers are very easily available and anyone who wants one
can get it. In less populated places this might be more useful. BTW, a
lot of 386 machines have very interesting cards and drives. Be sure to
raid them before giving them to a user.
>I frequently get given 286 and 386 computers as well as hearing about
>people that are just throwing them away. Does anyone else on this
>list try to find homes for these things, or know of homes? It seems
>such as waste to throw out perfectly good computers just because they
>don't run the current rage of the day.
Word processing is best. I really don't recommend giving computers to
schools because the teachers are often incompetent, and the computers
will often sit doing nothing. A better solution is to give them to
individuals that don't have computers.
>A couple of places I have found: people who need word processing, but
>can't afford a computer; elementary school classrooms where the
>district either won't or can't buy computers for them; some "rescue
>mission" type places where basic training is provided.
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-4 years old, and living in the USSR. I don't agree that VC++ is
necessarily seven decimal places cheaper, since not all of the files in
VC++ are part of the program, or even made by microsoft. I would say
that the total amount of code written just for VC++ 5.0 and on the CD is
more like 25 MB.
>Max, how old were you in 1978? :-) Let's see, $150 in 1978 would be
>at least $500 in today's dollars, maybe 12 cents a hand-crafted byte.
>Today's Visual C 5.0 is about 131 megs installed at about $500, or
>about seven decimal places in the less expensive direction.
But many more people would still buy it. Plus, organizations that didn't
want to pirate stuff but wanted to use BASIC.
>
>Pish-posh. In 1978, we're talking about a bunch of scroungy ex-
>or current- ham radio operators who'd cross the street to pick up
>two pennies on the sidewalk.
I am not generally aware of the software in those bins, and am
consistently surprised by things that used to cost about $70 only a
couple of years ago. But, CompUSA reeks, and so does the discount bin :)
>Even today, why do people routinely pirate software that can be had
>for $20 in the CompUSA discount bin?
>
>- John
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I could've sworn you spoke rather higher of it about a year
ago...anyway, I guess I can now understand why it is chosen as the best
example of Bill Gates' work :) but why is it always discussed (on Trimph
of the Nerds, for example) in terms of early personal software? Is it
that this was the best program for the Altair?
>The early BASIC he did was buggy as hell too. The first version that
>was semi OK for 8k basic was 3.51.
>
>Allison
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I picked them because they're typicall known as hobbyist buses.
>Interesting that you picked those 2 buses. The S100 bus is really the
>8080 CPU bus with a few changes and ISA (at least the 8 bit part) is
the
>8088 CPU bus with, again, a few changes. They're almost Processor
Direct
>buses themselves.
>-tony
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Interesting. On an IBM 5150-descendant, I have (accidentaly) found that
it's possible to do almost anything without causing damage. This
includes card swapping, dropping screws, and other things with a live
system.
>Most are their for two reasons on DEC hardware. One, so you don't
>pull a card with power applied, instant fried system.
>Allison
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This is sort of getting off topic, but here is my final thought on this:
the iMac looks cute, but it is no friendlier than any other mac. It has
the same software, and very similar hardware. I don't think modern macs
are very friendly because they suffer from the same problems as windows-
lots of crud tacked on to an inadequate base. I have no idea why the
iMac is more likely to bring in a new layer of users than (say) the Sony
VAIO or one of the Toshiba systems. Sure, they're dung, but so is the
iMac when it's been stared at for a year.
As has been said before, while the original Mac offered a GUI for fairly
little in a fairly GUI-free world with Apple's name behind it, the iMac
offers a blue box in a black and beige world with a much weaker Apple
behind it.
>The iMac will change (or at least attempt to change) computing by
>bringing in a whole new layer of users -- ones that even the cheapy
>clone PC's couldn't attract. Similar to the ones that were attracted
>to the original Mac, but less adventuresome.
>
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> >I have recently obtained a machine that when carried resembles a sewing
> >machine in a carry case, marked Compaq Portable. It has a built in CRT
> >and is evidentally an 8088 or 8086 machine judging by the 8 bit slots.
> >
> >Anyone have any info on it, and is there any collectability to these?
As has already been pointed out, these are not rare - but I gotta add,
they sure are well built. Mine has only had a shorted tantalum cap on
the mobo and a new hard disk - but otherwise quite robust, lots of
metal and gold, plastic doesn't show much age, etc.
It's one of those worth more to me than I could ever sell it for.
I use it just for the parallel port out to experiements (stepper
motor control, etc)
Kudos to Compaq for making PC's that are built to last.
CHuck
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John:
> Sam:
>>Absolutely. I agree 100%. If he had priced it in the range that a
>>hobbyist could afford, and proportionate to the cost of the system ($500
>>for the kit?) then people would buy it. Its nothing to throw down $25 or
>>$50 if you're getting a manual and support with that.
> Pish-posh. In 1978, we're talking about a bunch of scroungy ex-
> or current- ham radio operators who'd cross the street to pick up
> two pennies on the sidewalk. Even today, why do people routinely
> pirate software that can be had for $20 in the CompUSA discount bin?
Shure, you never get 100% sales, but with a lower price,
the number of people buying will increase. Not only from
people not pirating, but also a lot among people who wouldn't
had the chance to copy and didn't buy because of the price.
Software is still not eatable (or drinkable) and people
don't NEED all the soft they are buying and copying. THis
just prevents them from paying a unreasonable price.
In fact, before the build in (Microsoft) Basic of my
Apple ][+ I never owned a Basic. Shure, I thought
about it, and was able to use it (tried HP Basic),
but there was no real need to pay money for a language.
I could do anything I want in Assembly. In fact it
took a long time until I found some usefull things
to do with HLLs other than Macro-Assm (Still today
most of my programming is in Assm).
All this moarning, crieing and juggling about piracy
realy misses the point. High prices could only be
reached if there is a return of this cost to the buyer
thru usage of the software.
Gruss
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> It occurs to me that if the listserver should be shut down at this location,
> we *really* should have a list of members to inform them of the new
> location. Does anyone have a list? Hopefully, things will remain as they
> are, but it never hurts to be prepared.
Why ?
Just send a Mail to the list with the new address (think a
fall back is already installed @nut.net) and all members
will get it - using a members list and do this manual, would
not give a diference.
Gruss
hans
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