test-drb October 1998

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Marketing (was Re: Columbus analogy (Was: Corrections to trivia

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

The thing is, people bought their earlier products when IBM won in its battle with NCR. When IBM began to make computers, it was already well estblished in the business world. Do people mean a product with good ergonomics or with easy repairs in mind as marketing? That plays a role, though it has nothing to do with the quality of the product or its innovativeness. >> I would be very flattered that you attribute: >> * 40 years of corporate stability to marketing >> * extensive manufacturing capability to marketing >> * cash reserves to sustain development to marketing >> * vast R+D resources to marketing >> * world-class documentation to marketing >> * world-wide customer support to marketing >> * a simply immense infrastructure ... to marketing! > >Do you think they would have any of the above if nobody ever bought any of >their products? > >Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ever onward. > > Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 > See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! > [Last web site update: 09/21/98] > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Fairchild Channel F units

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

Doug Spence <ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca> said: >Speaking of which... how common are the Channel Fs? I picked up several >cartridges for one some time ago, but I've never seen the actual unit. >I've only seen ads for them in old magazines. > I see one about every two years. I have 3, 2 of which are in boxes. And I've managed to collect all of the regular cartridges, except for #26, in the boxes with instructions. #19 is the hardest to find. http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum/mvfair.htm There was a second system (System II) that I believe was produced by the company that bought the rights to Channel F from Fairchild. The big differences in the two systems was that the original had a dark plexiglas cover over the controller storage compartment and the controllers were hard wired into the unit. It was the first home video game system to use programmed cartridges, but I think the cool thing about the Channel F was it 4 axis controller. ========================================= Doug Coward Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA =========================================

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Sams Computerfacts

by workapulo＠my-dejanews.com

You can also get photocopies of most of the Sam's Computerfacts by calling them and asking for one. If they have an old copy in stock, they'll copy it and send it to you for $20. I got Computerfacts for the C64 and C128 this way. Tony -- On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 02:12:00 Innfogra wrote: >Hi; >I have just listed on ebay a group of Sams Computerfacts that I have had some >interest in from people on the classic computer list. > >They are for: > >Computers - Osborne OCC1 & OCC1A, TRS-80 Models 3 and 4, Epson QX-10, Franklin >Ace 1000, Atari 800XL, IBM PC & AT, AT&T 6300, Leading Edge D > >Monitors - IBM 5151 and 5153, Amdek Color-I and the Video-300 > >Printers - Okidata Microlines 82A and 92, Apple A90303, NEC PC-8023A-N, NEC >PC-8025A, IBM 5152-002, Epsons MX-80 IIIF/T, FX-80, FX-100, MX-100, RX-80, >FX-286e, Star Geminis 10X and 15X > >These can be searched for by the keyword "Computerfact" (Singular context >please). > >I also listed a factory Toshiba T 1100 plus laptop maintenance Manual. >All of these are under Computer/hardware/books. >Paxton > >p.S. Please direct questions toi Whoagiii(a)aol.com. > -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums

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Seeking: Lisa/Mac XL 'Do it yourself guide'

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

The title pretty much says it all... Having (finally) added a LISA to the collection, I'm looking for a copy of the Sun Remarketing book on the LISA/Mac XL. Anyone out there have one that they could be parted from, or induced to feed thru a copier/scanner? ...and yes, I've seen the one on eBay... it's getting real expensive already (sigh) -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Hayes

by franke＠sbs.de

>>> Just so everyone knows, Hayes has filed for Bankruptcy.. >>Again? > When was the last time? I think 3 or 4 years ago. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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TRS-80 Model 100 (was Re: Convergent Technologies work

by franke＠sbs.de

>>The mention in this thread of a Kyocera-labeled product intrigues me, >>as I'd never heard of such at the edge of the Pacific I was on then. > The Kyocera KC-85 is well known, although not too common. The case is > shaped more like the NEC, but it has the keyboard of the m100. > P.S., come to VCF 3.0 and see all the variations (hopefully!) and check out > the talk I'm going to do (hopefully!) on the history of all these machines. > (If anyone has any info, history, or anecdotes, please get in touch!) I have the technical Reference, DOS manual and BASIC I/O Manuals for the NEC 8201A - interested ? Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Marketing /formerly ...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< No, those running MS software are doing so mostly because MS was < the only game in town way back when... not hard to be 'best' when < you're the only one... also not hard to be 'worst'... Back to the original topic some. History. MS was not the only game in town. DRI, later Novell, now Caldara offered CPM86 and it decendants such as CCPM and DRDOS until MS crushed them. Caldara is still at it with Opendos (DRdos decendant). < Personally, I avoid MS-anything like the plague... I have a linux < system which has been up for more than a week straight... running < W95, I'm lucking if I *don't* have to reboot several times a day < either because the system has simply crashed, or wedged itself... I'm no fan of MS but I run a ton of CADD, FPGA and cross assemblers unavailable for Linux or freeBSD. The system that I must run it on is MSdos6.22/WIN3.1 that generally has an up time of months between reboots. The last down time was for a fan replacement. I've never run w95, but I've seen systems that can achieve that as well. My other half has a laptop for work that seems to be solid enough. None of the MS OSs are great products, they work ok though and when the system is configured with stable hardware and software. I've also found that linix or freeBSD tends to beat the daylights out of hardware and find even minor problems that seem to get by under MSdos/win but cause it to crash intermittently. Most of the complaints I've heard of MS dos/winders can be leveled at Linux or other unice as well. My pet peave is that most of the PC unice are limited about what hardware they run on and like win95 also will not be happy with a minimal 8meg of ram. Now what has this to do with old hardware. Unix has been around for some time, some 25-30 years. It's still not the generalized platform for applications software. I find that good low cost CADD tools are non-existant and most require Xwinders which is a memory hog and yet another potentially cranky item. So until I can find a good CADD, schematic capture, PCB routing, XAble and Xilinx FPGA package for PC unice for under a few hundred $$$ MS wins. That defined the market. Allison

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Microsci HAVAC

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< If it was 1983 then definitely try DOS 3.3. It would be REALLY COOL if < that thing turned out to be an Apple //e clone. I can't imagine what el < would be using a 6502 at around that time (besides already established < designs...most new designs were coming out with 8088's by that time and < the 6502 was thought to be an oddity of the past). This is bogus. 1983 was not the end of the line for 8bitters yet. The 8088 was still gathering steam but far from a full head. the 8bit world would have another two years or so to peak. The Franklin ACE1200 in the may'83 Microsystems is only one example. The PC may have launched in 81... but it wasn't the defacto force quite yet in 1983.. or 86. If anything I'd call that the processor wars eara with 80186, 80286, 64180, 65816, 16032, 68000 to name a few all jockying for the next better runner. While that was going on new z80 and 6502 systems were emerging that were smaller, cheaper, faster to capitalize on the existing and still growing software base. Allison

25 years, 9 months

6502 vs. 6800 (was Re: kits, definitions, prices...)

by franke＠sbs.de

> "Hans Franke" <franke(a)sbs.de> wrote: >> Yes, but as a rule, mainframes and most minis catch undefined >> opcodes in a special exeption. > That's only a 'rule' for recent machines. Most of the early ones didn't. > When IBM was developing the 1401 emulation for the 360/30, they discovered > that many customers were in fact using and dependent on undefined behaviors > of the 1401. They had to emulate a lot of things that were never documented. Now, thats what I call early. Of course you are right. I did only think back to the 60's technologie (/360 is the earlyest Mainframe system I ever programmed). > References: > _The Mythical Man Month_ by Brooks, > _Computer Architecture: Concepts and Evolution_ by Brooks and Blaauw, > _IBM's 360 and Early 370 Systems_ by Pugh, Johnson, and Palmer Thank you Hans -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

25 years, 9 months

Microsci HAVAC

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Micro-SCI made a line of Apple II and III compatable disk drives in the early 80s. I bet they made an Apple clone wannabee. Try apple dos 3.2 or 3.2. You could have gotten a copy of that too in my whse this weekend. Micro-SCI was a division of Standum Controlls, Inc. in Santa Anna, CA. This came out of their ad in a March, 1983 Byte.

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