IVIE(a)cc.usu.edu wrote:
> I wrote:
>> Sort of in the spirit of this list, I set up this configuration for
>> Internet
>> e-mail:
>>
>> - 8 MHz 80286 AT clone desktop
>[[[ snip ]]]
>> With this, we can do e-mail, and text-based internet stuff (I've got
>> Windows telnet and ftp programs as well), but graphic web browsing
>> is out (they all require a 386 or better).
>
>Have you taken a look at Arachne? I've not run it on anything but my
>trusty office 486 yet, but it claims to be able to run on anything
>PCish.
Yes, I looked at, but didn't try out Arachne. It's documentation said you
had to have a 386 to do graphical stuff. Might be a better text web browser
than Nettamer, though.
Clark.
Jordi Carceller (jordicr(a)eic.ictnet.es) wrote:
>I have a LAPTOP 80286. Can I connect to INTERNET with it?
>
>Does any Winsock exist?
>
>Which is the best software for MAIL and WWW? (using a 286, of course)
Sort of in the spirit of this list, I set up this configuration for
Internet
e-mail:
- 8 MHz 80286 AT clone desktop
- 4 Meg RAM (all the SIP sockets are filled)
- 20 Meg Seagate ST-225 MFM hard disk (C)
- 30 Meg Seagate ST-238R RLL hard disk (D) running from its
own RLL controller stolen from an XT clone my brother-in-law
tossed my way. I had a lot of fun getting it to work in
the AT clone.
- Trident super VGA video
- DOS 6, Windows 3.1 (barely fits on C).
- older Trumpet Winsock (version 2.something)
- Eudora e-mail (was using version 1.44, now using Eudora Light
version 3.01 which is slower, but has a feature I needed
that 1.44 didn't have).
- 2400 bps US Robotics Courier external modem (that I paid $700
for new in 1985!)
With this, we can do e-mail, and text-based internet stuff (I've got
Windows telnet and ftp programs as well), but graphic web browsing
is out (they all require a 386 or better). I haven't found a text,
Windows-based web browser.
I've also used Nettamer. It is a DOS-based internet package.
To run internet stuff in DOS, you usually need to put together
several pieces of software: TCP/IP, PPP or SLIP dialler, packet
drivers, etc. Nettamer does all this in one package and does
e-mail, ftp, telnet, Usenet, and web browsing. Web browsing is basically
text-only, but you can view graphics with an included viewer
if you've got a VGA display. The version I tried (1.07) doesn't
do frames or image-maps, and forms are a bit brutal. For example,
I've used the Altavista search form with it, but I'd probably be
pretty confused if I hadn't used the form in Netscape on another
computer beforehand.
You should be able to find Nettamer on Simtelnet and other
software archives.
So, you will probably want to use Nettamer instead of the Windows
route unless:
- you've got a decent amount of RAM (4 meg was quite a lot for
a 286)
- you've got enough hard disk space
- you have to have a GUI.
Right now, we just use the e-mail, when we absolutely have to
have graphic web browsing, we'll buy a new Pentium machine.
Or maybe I'll find a 386 motherboard for free...
Hope this helps,
Clark Geisler
> Sort of in the spirit of this list, I set up this configuration for
> Internet
> e-mail:
>
> - 8 MHz 80286 AT clone desktop
[[[ snip ]]]
> With this, we can do e-mail, and text-based internet stuff (I've got
> Windows telnet and ftp programs as well), but graphic web browsing
> is out (they all require a 386 or better).
Have you taken a look at Arachne? I've not run it on anything but my
trusty office 486 yet, but it claims to be able to run on anything
PCish.
http://www.naf.cz/arachne/
It's also being distributed by Caldera as WebSpyder
http://www.caldera.com/
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
> The Floating Point socket will take either a KEF11-AA chip which
> holds floating point microcode, or you can plug a FPF11 board in next
> to the CPU and run the jumper cable to the socket. The FPF11 is
> 5 to 6 times faster than a KEF11-AA (and was accordingly more expensive
I have machines with both and the difference is noticeable even with
fairly simple stuff.
> I think a Commercial Instruction Set (CIS) microcode option may have be
> available as well, but I've never seen it installed. I'd guess it
> would've plugged into the "Spare" socket.
My 11/23b(+) has the CIS and FPP board. The CIS goes into spare.
Allison
I found a picture of another M8186 on the internet. It has one chip on
it, the CPU (Dual chips on a single carrier). The other 3 sockets are
blank. Mine has 2 chips. CPU BLANK BLANK CHIP. I don't have the M8186
in front of me, but does anyone know what the extra chip is for?
In a message dated 97-07-08 09:35:55 EDT, you write:
jordi carceller wrote:
<< I have a LAPTOP 80286. Can I connect to INTERNET with it?
Does any Winsock exist?
Which is the best software for MAIL and WWW? (using a 286, of course)
Greetings,
Jordi Carceller
jordicr(a)eic.ictnet.es >>
there is a program out in the shareware world called nettamer which will let
you do mail and text only web browsing. i plan to use it on my ps2 model 30
just to say i did it.
david
> I found a picture of another M8186 on the internet. It has one chip on
> it, the CPU (Dual chips on a single carrier). The other 3 sockets are
> blank. Mine has 2 chips. CPU BLANK BLANK CHIP. I don't have the M818
> in front of me, but does anyone know what the extra chip is for?
>FRom the edge of the board in toward the middle its
MMU, spare, floatingpoint, data/control.
A minimal board will have data/control double as that's the F11 cpu. It
will only be a 16 bit address. The MMU is was nearly standard and gave
18/22 bit addressing. Floating point was in two forms FIS chip,
Floatingpoint Instruction Set which were microcode for floating point
instructions or the M8188 module that actually did floating point in
hardware (2901s!). Other options are the CIS or Commercial instruction
set (aka cobal instruction set) and there was writeable control store
if you wanted to write custom microcode for things like bitblting or
emulation.
The 11/23 did not have I&D space like the later J-11 cpus.
The liniage for chip-11s is LSI11/03 (kd11-f quad width), LSI-11/2 (dual
width KD-11), LSI-11/23a (KDF-11A dual width), LSI11/23b(+) (KDF-11B quad
width), Then J-11 series.
Note while the books said the 11/23a (kdf-11a) was 18 bit I have found
many will operate as 22 bit. The KDF-11b was 22 bit addressing.
Allison
On 0 xxx 1980 MAILER-DAEMON(a)nwohio.nwohio.com wrote:
> > here's the choice: My 486 or the PDP?
>
> Hey - I'll take that 486 8-)
But it would be a LOT harder to get another PDP than another 486.
> I don't think V7 would fit on a RX02 - maybe an RL02. What you probably
> want is RT-11. Single user but with Foreground/Background tasking. Or
> you could try TSX? which is a multi-user RT-11 kinda sort of 8-) I have
> heard of but not seen one of these. Email me if you decide what you want.
Hmm... There's an RX02 boot though. Maybe it could boot of seperate
root/boot disks like Linux does? Of course, I can't build kernels as I
have no source, so that goes in the can. Basically, anything multi-user
would be cool, and TCP/IP would be a nice trick. BTW, which Unix was
first to have TCP/IP?
On 0 xxx 1980 MAILER-DAEMON(a)nwohio.nwohio.com wrote:
> [Another aside - you heard from Galesburg yet? Nothing on my end 8-( Once
> we get you a case, you can just hide the 486 inside and tell *them* its a
> terminal 8-) ]
That was the idea.
Oh and the floppy drives are f0, f1 etc. I think a question mark an the
Command? prompt will give you more commands, What version of Ctos is it?
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> From: thedm <thedm(a)sunflower.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Help with Convergent Technologies
> Date: Tuesday, July 08, 1997 5:33 AM
>
> Okay, [SyS][sys] is the first hard disk, then d1, d2 d3 etc
> It was strictly an office automation machine, usually it came with
Document
> designer, Office spreadsheet and Bmail. When it boots, it has a bunch of
> dots run across the screen, seems to me at this point it tells you the
> software license. The licenses are, standalone, 5user, 10 user, 25 user
and
> 48 user. These machines had the networking built in. There are two
RS422
> ports on the side, you can put 24 machines in a daisey chain on each
side.
> There is a surplus store here with buttloads of them and no one wants
them
> because they don't know what they are. These boxes are INtel based, but
> propriatary as hell. There is a DOS emulator available or was. Unissys
> currently owns this platform as of 1986, before then it was sperry, and
> then your model convergent, allthough convergent still made alot of the
> hardware under subcontract. If you ask me more specific questions I can
> probably remember more. It's been 5 years since I even touched one.
>
> ----------
> > From: Ray Stricklin <kjaeros(a)u.washington.edu>
> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> > Subject: Re: Help with Convergent Technologies
> > Date: Monday, July 07, 1997 7:53 PM
> >
> > On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, thedm wrote:
> >
> > > Is this a little square box cpu with a buss on the side? and ad ons
> that
> > > lock onto the side of it? If it is I used to administer a Convergent
> > > network, it uses the BTOS/CTOS operating system and uses JCL for
batch
> > > programming. Its almost useless with out the native software and if I
> > > recall our licenses where about 10,000 for a 48 user network. They
do
> make
> > > a standalone version, but I'll be darned if i would ever know where
to
> find
> > > it.
> >
> > That'd be the one.
> >
> > It has an OS installed; with the CPU I also picked up a QIC unit, 10
meg
> > disk/floppy unit, a 'disk expansion' unit of unknown size (I'm short
one
> > power supply), and a GC-001 graphics unit, as well as boxes of QIC
tapes
> > and 360k floppies. The OS is installed along with lots of other stuff
of
> > unknown purpose on the hard disk/floppy box. It boots fine; I can play
a
> > little with it, but I really don't know what's there.
> >
> > I'm able to get file listings of [sys]<sys> which I'm assuming is the
> hard
> > disk.
> >
> > I wish there'd been an operator's manual in the lot..
> >
> > ok
> > -r
